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Weight Loss Forum / Low Carb / January 2005It's stopped working
I'm very frustrated. Been on induction for three weeks and only lost 7 pounds - which I can usually lose just by cutting out beer for a few days. I am still 287lbs and so 7lbs is negligible in 3 weeks. My alcohol consumption has been almost nil compared to my usual six pints a day plus a bottle of wine (too much I know). When I have partaken it's only been a few glasses of white wine or Gin & slimline tonic and only for three out of 21 days. I certainly haven't had a "bender" in the last three weeks - for the first time in my adult life I've not even drank the maximum recommended weekly amount of 21 alcohol units whereas I usually do that daily! So, putting alcohol mostly out of the way let's look at food:- Breakfast: 2 rashers of back bacon, one or two sausages, mushrooms. Cooked on a George Foreman grill. Two scrambled eggs with a little semi-skimmed milk. Dollop of Ketchup/brown sauce. Lunch: Tunamayo or Philadelphia light on 3 Rivita. Dinner. Choice of Chicken breast/Salmon steak/Rump steak/Lean Chilli Concarne without kidney beans, served with selection of mushrooms, green beans, perhaps two or three baby potatoes-boiled in skin or Low Carb Penne Pasta - No bread, mashed potatoes, cakes, pies. No more than 25g of carbs in total foods per day (I started at 295 lbs so surely the extra 5 grams wouldn't stop induction working! would it?) . Tea & coffee - semiskimmed milk, one third teaspoon sugar - total five cups per day. Water - three litres - maybe more, sipped throughout the day - I like it, it's not a problem. Exercise:- Walk a mile or more a day to shops OR cycle 4 miles a day plus Gym - medium weights twice a week. If I wasn't dieting I'd be taking more calories in total by alcohol and not by food as I'd only eat musseli for breakfast, snack on wholemeal salad sandwiches and fruit and eat lean meat with jacket potatoes & veg for dinner (with regular 14" Pizzas). So, very few carbs as recommended, less calories due to virtually no alcohol, reasonable exercise yet fewer "healthy foods such as fruit, grains & vegetables AND only 7lbs in 21 days. HELP, I feel I'd be better off not eating the high calorie breakfast and increasing my metabolism with wholegrains albeit keeping a Low-GI diet. Any ideas please, I've lost 14lbs a month for three months before and the only common factor seems to be cutting out the high fat & calories which is not what Atkins etc is all about. Mark. I see food on here that isn't allowed in induction. review induction rules again:)  SignatureDiane > I'm very frustrated. Been on induction for three weeks and only lost 7 > pounds - which I can usually lose just by cutting out beer for a few days. [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > > Mark. > I see food on here that isn't allowed in induction. review induction > rules again:) Please point it out and forgive my ignorance Mark It would have been easy for any of us "low carbers" to post the rules of induction, but I think that part of your new lifestyle is ***making an effort to change*** and that would be to read the Atkins New Revolution book yourself. The whole plan can also be found at www.atkins.com, but get the book and read it till it sinks in. SignatureDiane >I see food on here that isn't allowed in induction. review induction rules >again:) [quoted text clipped - 65 lines] >> >> Mark. > I'm very frustrated. Been on induction for three weeks and only lost 7 > pounds - which I can usually lose just by cutting out beer for a few > days. I am still 287lbs and so 7lbs is negligible in 3 weeks. <snipped parts for brevity> > Breakfast: 2 rashers of back bacon, one or two sausages, mushrooms. > Cooked on a George Foreman grill. Two scrambled eggs with a little [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Exercise:- Walk a mile or more a day to shops OR cycle 4 miles a day > plus Gym - medium weights twice a week. > So, very few carbs as recommended, less calories due to virtually no > alcohol, reasonable exercise yet fewer "healthy foods such as fruit, [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > the only common factor seems to be cutting out the high fat & > calories which is not what Atkins etc is all about. Atkins isn't about sugar, potatoes, pasta, or skimmed milk either especially not on induction. My suggestion is to get the book, read and follow it. In the meantime dump the above and see if you start to lose. A good rule of thumb is that most of your carbs should be coming from veggies. Try eating less and doing more exercise. SignatureYou take stupid to a new level. -- MFW > I'm very frustrated. Been on induction for three weeks and only lost 7 > pounds - which I can usually lose just by cutting out beer for a few days. [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > > Mark. 1. Potatoes and pasta are not low carb. 2. 7 lbs in three weeks is a good rate of weight loss. 3. Weight loss is difficult and not always can you expect stellar progress 4. If you want to stay slim forever, you will have to diet forever, so, rate of weight loss does not matter. Signature223/173.3/180 "1. Potatoes and pasta are not low carb. 2. 7 lbs in three weeks is a good rate of weight loss. 3. Weight loss is difficult and not always can you expect stellar progress 4. If you want to stay slim forever, you will have to diet forever, so, rate of weight loss does not matter." Well said. And alcohol isn't on the induction list either. Buy the Atkins book, follow it, it works. But I think the biggest problem here is unreasonable expectations. Losing 7Lbs in 3 weeks is a decent start. IMO, those that have the strongest desire to have it come off quickly have the idea that once they lose the weight, they can go back to their old ways of eating, which is why they wind up failing. || I'm very frustrated. Been on induction for three weeks and only lost || 7 pounds - which I can usually lose just by cutting out beer for a [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] || || Mark. What plan are you following? Not Atkins according to the foods you list that you're eating that are on induction: - ketchup - alcohol - kidney beans - skim milk and not eating foods like - potatoes and - pasta and - sugar is the whole point of Atkins; these are extremely high carbohydrate foods. It's about avoiding carbs, not fat. Sounds as if you're trying to do more of a weight watcher's diet. -- Peter 270/219/180 website: http://users.thelink.net/marengo > No more than 25g of carbs in total foods per day I don't think that's possible given what you've listed. None of these things are allowed on Atkins induction: ketchup brown sauce wine red potatoes pasta of any kind sugar semiskimmed milk Rivita (are these crackers/biscuits?) According to your 7-pound weight loss, you've done an admirable job of cutting out enough things to make a difference in your weight. However, you haven't been following the induction phase of Atkins, which forbids all that stuff in order to break dependence on them. (Something that can't be accomplished if, for example, you're still putting sugar in your coffee.) If that's what you mean to do, you should get a copy of the book or look at www.atkins.com and get the list of what's allowed. Cate Sorry Mark. You have NOT been on Induction. Induction is not JUST keeping carbs low but keeping away from sugar and starches pretty much entirely. Please grab your copy of Atkins (you DO have a copy, right?) and re-read the Induction chapter. Otherwise, look at http://atkins.com/Archive/2004/12/27-833156.html read it thoroughly and then click through the link to acceptable Induction foods. If it's not on the Induction list DO NOT EAT IT for two weeks. Period. End of story. >Breakfast: 2 rashers of back bacon, one or two sausages, mushrooms. Cooked >on a George Foreman grill. Two scrambled eggs with a little semi-skimmed >milk. Dollop of Ketchup/brown sauce. semi-skimmed milk has more than 11g of carb per cup. If you're drinking half a cup of milk per day in your tea and eggs, there's 5 1/2 grams right there. Do the sausages have cereal based fillers in them? There could be several more grams right there - and how big a dollop of ketchup is that? Most of them include sugars, too. Standard ketchup is around 4g per tablespoon. >Lunch: Tunamayo or Philadelphia light on 3 Rivita. Ryevita crispbread - if they are the same as the ones friends use here (I don't like them) you're looking at about 5g EACH. So there's another 15 g, BEFORE you add the sugars in the mayo or cheese. Philadelphia light cheese is also comparatively carby at 7g per 100g weight (about 4 oz). Full-fat cream cheese is only 2 1/2 g per 100g. >Dinner. Choice of Chicken breast/Salmon steak/Rump steak/Lean Chilli >Concarne without kidney beans, served with selection of mushrooms, green >beans, perhaps two or three baby potatoes-boiled in skin or Low Carb Penne >Pasta - Potatoes are IMMMENSELY carby. 100g weight of boiled potato (about a 2" diameter sphere) has over **20** g of carbohydrate! If you're having this for dinner most nights, you're well over your 20g per day. Pasta of any kind is NOT on the Induction list. Yes, this includes the low-carb type. >Tea & coffee - semiskimmed milk, one third teaspoon sugar - total five cups >per day. so - 1g per cup of tea or coffee (yes, it has carbs freshly brewed before you add the sweetening and lightening stuff) plus almost 2 teaspoons of sugar (taken over the whole day) and you're looking at another 11g of carb BEFORE you add in the milk. DON'T USE SUGAR. If you must sweeten your tea, use an artificial sweetener such as Equal (if you can tolerate it - I can't but many report good results with it) Splenda, saccharine or whatever you please. Sugar is NOT an option, even in small quantities. Possibly later you might find you can use it, but not for Induction. By my estimate, you're taking in more like 50g of carb than your estimate of 25g or thereabouts. This in and of itself could be the reason you're not seeing huge weight reduction in the initial period. Aramanth > Been on induction for three weeks Most people have a short stall at 3 weeks. It's normal. > and only lost 7 pounds That's average. > I am still 287lbs and so 7lbs is negligible in 3 weeks. No, the first two weeks is just water weight, which is largely proportional to muscle and liver size, not body fat. Starting at week 5 or so you should see regular loss due to body fat. > My alcohol consumption has been almost nil For Induction, it should be exactly nil. You *are* counting the carbs in your alcoholic drinks, right? > Two scrambled eggs with a little semi-skimmed > milk. Dollop of Ketchup/brown sauce. Neither milk nor ketchup/brown sauce are allowed on Induction. Use heavy cream and mustard instead. > Lunch: Tunamayo or Philadelphia light on 3 Rivita. I assume "tunamayo" is tuna with mayo, which is fine. "Philadelpha light" is cream cheese? If so, don't use the light, use the full fat version. If Rivita is Ryvita - crisp bread - it's not allowed on Induction. > Chilli Concarne "Concarne" means "over rice". Rice is not allowed. > perhaps two or three baby potatoes-boiled in skin or Low Carb Penne > Pasta - Neither of these is allowed. > No more than 25g of carbs in total foods per day (I started at 295 > lbs so surely the extra 5 grams wouldn't stop induction working! > would it?) . Yes, it might. 20g - no more - for Induction. You can go up to 25 (and should, until you find your CCLL) once you're on OWL. Half your carbs should come from fibrous (salad) vegetables, the other half from sources like cheese, eggs, and other mostly-fat-and-protein foods. > Tea & coffee - semiskimmed milk, one third teaspoon sugar - total five cups > per day. Neither milk nor sugar are allowed. > Exercise:- Walk a mile or more a day to shops OR cycle 4 miles a day plus > Gym - medium weights twice a week. Excellent! > So, very few carbs as recommended, Not few enough, and from the wrong sources. > less calories due to virtually no alcohol, There are no calorie limits on Induction. You shouldn't be trying to reduce calories yet, just don't eat unless you're hungry, that's all. Plus eat ONLY what's on the food list. > yet fewer "healthy foods such as fruit, grains & vegetables You should be eating MORE vegetables than you are. You're wasting your carb limit on crap like milk, sugar, and potatoes. Fruit is allowed on week 3, and is the recommended way to work towards your CCLL. > AND only 7lbs in 21 days. It takes me months to lose that much. > HELP, I feel I'd be better off not eating the high calorie breakfast > and increasing my metabolism with wholegrains albeit keeping a > Low-GI diet. Protein, not grains, increases your metabolism. > Any ideas please, I've lost 14lbs a month for three months before > and the only common factor seems to be cutting out the high fat & > calories which is not what Atkins etc is all about. Ah, the primal misconception - Atkins is about cutting calories, but ONLY after you've fully switched to LC. You have to do it right, or it won't work. After Induction - done right - you just won't be as hungry as you were before, and letting your hunger be your guide provides you just the right amount of calories for long term loss. During OWL, stick to smaller meals, but eat them more often as your hunger dictates. That should maximize your metabolism without the hunger swings that high carb diets cause. >> Chilli Concarne > >"Concarne" means "over rice". Rice is not allowed. Con carne means 'with meat'. ____ ~210/*/150 Started 1/3/05 *Not weighing till reference jeans are loose. Scarred by previous scale experiences. > >"Concarne" means "over rice". Rice is not allowed. > > Con carne means 'with meat'. Ok, I stand corrected. It always meant "over rice" in my high school cafeteria. > > Con carne means 'with meat'. > > Ok, I stand corrected. It always meant "over rice" in my high school > cafeteria. They lied to you. SignatureNo Husband Has Ever Been Shot While Doing The Dishes > > > Con carne means 'with meat'. > They lied to you. you're not alone, they lied to us too - we were told "with corn" makes me wonder what other bits they may have lied about... > > > > Con carne means 'with meat'. > you're not alone, they lied to us too - we were told "with corn" makes > me > wonder what other bits they may have lied about... queso = cheese carne = meat frijoles = beans ma?z = corn arroz = rice Once, I saw my cousin point to a platter of mountain oysters and tell her husband they were 'huevos del toro.' SignatureNo Husband Has Ever Been Shot While Doing The Dishes > > >"Concarne" means "over rice". Rice is not allowed. > > > > Con carne means 'with meat'. > > Ok, I stand corrected. It always meant "over rice" in my high school > cafeteria. Same here both at school and at the cafeteria of the nursing home I worked in a few years back Chilli Con Carne was chilli over rice. So your not alone Angie . : > Ok, I stand corrected. It always meant "over rice" in my high school : > cafeteria. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] : So your not alone : Angie Oh, y'all are making me ill! I can't even imagine putting chili over rice, much less eating such a concoction. Where are you writing from? Ohio? Pat in TX > . > : > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Pat in TX LOL close I grew up in PA. I never understood the whole rice with Chili thing. but then I'm not that big on rice. Angie On 25 Jan 2005 12:55:39 -0500 in alt.support.diet.low-carb, DJ Delorie <dj@delorie.com> wrote, >> >"Concarne" means "over rice". Rice is not allowed. >> >> Con carne means 'with meat'. > >Ok, I stand corrected. It always meant "over rice" in my high school >cafeteria. Did they also tell you that "carnivore" means "rice eater"? >>>Chilli Concarne >> >>"Concarne" means "over rice". Rice is not allowed. > > Con carne means 'with meat'. and "carne" is the word stem for "carnival", which is known by everybody who has read the important works of Lemony Snicket. Switch to weight watchers and AA. :: I'm very frustrated. Been on induction for three weeks and only lost :: 7 pounds - which I can usually lose just by cutting out beer for a [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] :: :: Mark. > Switch to weight watchers and AA. First giggle of the day Roger, thanks :-) Kristen 239/226/175 Try Fitday to find out what you are doing. Read the book: Dr. Atkins New Diet Revolution. (DANDR) http://www.fitday.com It sounds like you are stuffing yourselves. I'm surprised you lost any weight. > I'm very frustrated. Been on induction for three weeks and only lost 7 > pounds - which I can usually lose just by cutting out beer for a few days. I [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > > Mark. "Mark & Ana Jones" <mark@SPAMGAURDatholmarketing.com> wrote in message > I'm very frustrated. Been on induction for three weeks Not exactly. It doesn't sound like you've been following the rules of induction. Also, you only have to tough it out and do induction for 2 weeks. Move onto OWL on the third week. > My alcohol consumption has been almost nil It needs to be absolutely nil during induction. > Breakfast: 2 rashers of back bacon, one or two sausages, mushrooms. Cooked > on a George Foreman grill. Two scrambled eggs with a little semi-skimmed > milk. Dollop of Ketchup/brown sauce. Milk is not allowed on induction What kind of ketchup/brown sauce? That is also not on the allowed list of induction foods > Lunch: Tunamayo or Philadelphia light on 3 Rivita. Philadelphia should be regular, not light (which usually has added sugar = not allowed on induction) Not sure what Rivita is... but that probably means it also is not allowed. > perhaps two or three baby potatoes-boiled in skin Potatoes are NOT allowed during induction. >or Low Carb Penne Pasta - This is also not allowed during induction. > Tea & coffee - semiskimmed milk, one third teaspoon sugar - total five > cups > per day. Doesn't Atkins advise giving up coffee? Anyway, milk is not allowed on induction Sugar is definitely not allowed on induction > HELP, I feel I'd be better off not eating the high calorie breakfast and > increasing my metabolism with wholegrains albeit keeping a Low-GI diet. Before you give up, try it by following induction rules. I only focused on what you're doing that is wrong. You wrote other things that you're doing that sound fine/good. Atkins specifically said in his book that if the food is not on the induction list of permitted foods, you are to have NONE of it. Not even 1/8 teaspoon. Zero. Zip. Nothing at all. So in summary: No low carb penne pasta no semiskimmed milk no sugar no alcohol no baby potatoes no ketchup Just suck it up for 2 weeks. You can do it. SignatureSpring LC since 1/1/04 260/200/170 "Before" & "current" pics at link below: http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/sprgsnow/album?.tok=phX4sVBBuvxvs4Hs&.dir=/55b8 &.src=ph > Just suck it up for 2 weeks. You can do it. Or...don't suck it up? SignatureNo Husband Has Ever Been Shot While Doing The Dishes > I'm very frustrated. Been on induction for three weeks and only lost 7 > pounds - which I can usually lose just by cutting out beer for a few days. [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > > Mark. If you actually do go on a low carb diet and cut alcohol from your diet, you won't lose weight immediately. Alcohol is a diuretic. That means it burns water weight from your body. Eventually you will lose the water weight. Ever notice that when you drink alcohol you pee a lot more and feel bad (hangover) the next day? All that is is dehyration. Cut the carbs and the alcohol. It will take time for your system to adjust, but it will do just that. You can add the alcohol later when your body acclimates to your new lifestyle. > I'm very frustrated. Extreme success with tiny effort, and you're frustrated. Sigh. Many newbies have unrealistic expectations and sure enough so do you. > Been on induction Actually looking at your menu you have not been on Induction for even a single day. Induction is something specific and you don't show any sign that you've read the book to know what Induction actually is. > for three weeks and only lost 7 pounds Please explain to me how losing that much counts as only. Be sure to reference the fact that the ideal rate to keep it off is 1 per week and you lost at twice that. Please reference the fact that the time scale for loss is month to month so a single week has no meaning. Be sure to use small words because I can be quite dense when it comes to people so successfull denying the reality of their own success. > which I can usually lose just by cutting out beer for a few days. Go do that then. Seriously. > I am still 287lbs and so 7lbs is negligible in 3 weeks. Twice the ideal rate is not negligible. > My alcohol consumption has been almost nil Several others have done over your menu in detail. It has so many diversions from what Induction actually is that you appear to be either a troll or someone who wasn't even aware that Atkins is something specific based on a book that has detailed instructions. > No more than 25g of carbs in total foods per day (I started at 295 lbs so > surely the extra 5 grams wouldn't stop induction working! would it?) . A single week is utterly meaningless. Wrong time scale. > Water - three litres - maybe more, sipped throughout the day - I like it, > it's not a problem. > > Exercise:- Walk a mile or more a day to shops OR cycle 4 miles a day plus > Gym - medium weights twice a week. Some good stuff at least. > Any ideas please Doctor Atkins New Diet Revolution. Editions 2002, 1999, 1993 or 1972. Have you heard of Prycena? A high protein calcium product with a natural appetite suppresant and fat-burning properties. A great addition to a low-carb diet.... Here is a video clip that aired recently on CBS news: http://kyw.com/health/local_story_020173016.html ?Click on the video link on the middle right of the page.? You can obtain more product information at this weblink: http://www.immunotec.com/nutraceutical/page.asp?intNodeID=335 Happy reading! N. > Have you heard of Prycena? no, but i've heard of spam. yes calcium helps but Prycena ingredients are milk products and sugar- cheese- good old cheese is a whole lot more fun to eat and less carbs- this pill has carbs. pill is very expensive also -not needed SignatureThe key to success is knowing your limits > >> Have you heard of Prycena? > > no, but i've heard of spam. Pardon me if this was answered already (I did not see it) but there are plenty of things on your mealplan that are not allowed on induction: - alcohol (period, not allowed at induction time) - low carb pasta - 2 rashers of bacon? Forgive me if I'm wrong but that sounds like a lot "The term rasher can be confusing. It can mean a single strip of bacon, or it can mean three or four strips of bacon, especially when it appears on a restaurant menu." (which means a lot of calories and extra sodium = water weight, and regardless of what Atkins says, calories do count) -ketchup (regular ketchup? That has sugar and corn syrup in it- totally not allowed) -Philadelphia Light (why light? regular cream cheese has less carbs than light if I recall) - kidney beans (are you following Atkins? This totally isn't allowed!) -potatoes (!!! you've got to be kidding me. Did you even read the book?) There's NO way you've only been taking in 25g of carbs per day if you've been consuming these things. I suggest you try using the program Fitday.com (it's free) and enter in each and every thing you put in your mouth into this site. Measure. Make sure you're getting your green vegetables. And whatever you do, go buy DANDR ASAP! >I'm very frustrated. Been on induction for three weeks and only lost 7 >pounds - which I can usually lose just by cutting out beer for a few days. I [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >Tea & coffee - semiskimmed milk, one third teaspoon sugar - total five cups >per day. |
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