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Weight Loss Forum / Low Carb / February 2005Carbs in sour apple vs sweet apple !!! ??
Hi Folks, The sweeter the fruit , the higher the carbs!!! Is this a true statement? Many fruits taste much sweeter as they age after being picked. Bananas and apples are prime examples. Buy green bananas and leave them on the kitchen counter. After 2 weeks the bananas become much sweeter than when you initially got them. My question: Is the amount of carbs locked into the fruit from the time it got picked? Or time adds carbs since the fruit tastes sweeter later? Probably something in the fruit turns to sugar with time. If time increases the carbs in the picked fruits, then someone should only eat sour apples (given being out of induction). All quotes I found about apples don't differentiate between sour or sweet ones. However, in some website they said to eat the less sweet strawberries. Thanks, J. > Probably something in the fruit turns to sugar with time. I suspect it's starch, which is also a carb. So it's converting an unflavored carb to a flavored carb (glucose chains breaking down into individual glucose molecules, for example). I couldn't find (in a quick search) anything in the USDA database that differentiated between unripe, ripe, and overripe fruits (except for tomatoes - green vs red, but no significant difference there). Apples aren't low carb.  SignatureYou take stupid to a new level. -- MFW > Hi Folks, > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > J. > Apples aren't low carb You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW You dummy, I know they are not low carb. At one of the LC stages you can have some apples. Read a book, if you are capable. You seem to take stupid down to the level of negative Infinity. J. >> Hi Folks, >> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >> >> J. Apples and other fruits are not low carb. SignatureNow piss off. You cannot possibly be this stupid and remember to breathe. You must be trolling. -- Carmen >> Apples aren't low carb You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW > [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] >>> >>> J. > Apples and other fruits are not low carb. Apples are a member of the rose family > Apples and other fruits are not low carb. Some melons and berries are low carb, if you consider melons and berries to be fruits. >> Apples and other fruits are not low carb. > > Some melons and berries are low carb, if you consider melons and berries > to be fruits. You're better off without them until you've reached your goal. >>>Apples and other fruits are not low carb. >> >>Some melons and berries are low carb, if you consider melons and berries >>to be fruits. > > You're better off without them until you've reached your goal. For some people yes, others can add them in and count them into their CCL. I personally eat very little of it. Gives me cravings I can do without. >>> Apples and other fruits are not low carb. >> >> Some melons and berries are low carb, if you consider melons and berries >> to be fruits. > > You're better off without them until you've reached your goal. Bullshit. 168/125/125 LC since 2/18/97 maintaining since 3/17/99 Signaturejamie (jamiemck@newsguy.com) "There's a seeker born every minute." >>>> Apples and other fruits are not low carb. >>> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Bullshit. Is that another of your Cartman impersonations? ||| JC Der Koenig wrote: |||| Apples and other fruits are not low carb. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] || || You're better off without them until you've reached your goal. I agree with this. Why sabotage weight loss unecessarily? -- Peter 270/219/180 website: http://users.thelink.net/marengo > ||| Some melons and berries are low carb, if you consider melons and > ||| berries to be fruits. > > I agree with this. Why sabotage weight loss unecessarily? Because some melons and berries include important natural micronutrients that are hard to otherwise get in your diet. That's why Atkins recommends, for example, adding blueberries after Induction as part of OWL. You are not supposed to minimize carbs on LC, you're supposed to OPTIMIZE them - "Low" does not mean "No" carb, and it's up to you to choose carb sources that also provide other nutrients and benefits for you. >> ||| Some melons and berries are low carb, if you consider melons and >> ||| berries to be fruits. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > to you to choose carb sources that also provide other nutrients and > benefits for you. Fructose is not the right way to go. >> ||| Some melons and berries are low carb, if you consider melons and >> ||| berries to be fruits. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >to you to choose carb sources that also provide other nutrients and >benefits for you. What micronutrients are there in blueberries that you can't get from other sources, like broccoli, for instance? >>> ||| Some melons and berries are low carb, if you consider melons and >>> ||| berries to be fruits. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > What micronutrients are there in blueberries that you can't get from > other sources, like broccoli, for instance? Exactly. > What micronutrients are there in blueberries that you can't get from > other sources, like broccoli, for instance? IIRC Atkins mentions antioxidants, of which there are a lot of types. The problem with micronutrients is that there are a LOT of them, and we don't fully understand what they do, so it's hard to put them in a multivitamin. The only way to be sure is to eat a range of foods, not just a few types. >> What micronutrients are there in blueberries that you can't get from >> other sources, like broccoli, for instance? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > multivitamin. The only way to be sure is to eat a range of foods, > not just a few types. If you don't understand them fully, how can you be positive that you need so many of them? Are you guessing? > What micronutrients are there in blueberries that you can't get from > other sources, like broccoli, for instance? Purple/dark blue foods like blueberries are high in anthocyanins. You should look for a variety of foods of different colors. SignatureNo Husband Has Ever Been Shot While Doing The Dishes >> What micronutrients are there in blueberries that you can't get from >> other sources, like broccoli, for instance? > > Purple/dark blue foods like blueberries are high in anthocyanins. You > should look for a variety of foods of different colors. Not to mention that blueberries taste a heck of lot better than broccoli. ;-) SignatureBob in CT >||| JC Der Koenig wrote: >|||| Apples and other fruits are not low carb. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >I agree with this. Why sabotage weight loss unecessarily? I guess it depends on the individual person, but I'm not sure I would have made it as easily through the past year as I did without access to strawberries, blackberries, raspberries, and blueberries. I've also allowed myself the occasional (small) apple when I've had an otherwise low-carb day. And none of it has sabotaged my weight loss, which has been consistently downward. It helps, I suppose, that I'm keeping track of everything in Fitday, so I know what my carb and calorie count for a given day are. Of course, I'm also a big fan of an evening snack, which goes against one of the popular strictures. But it works for me. 208/133/130 Started 3/1/04 >> ||| JC Der Koenig wrote: >> |||| Apples and other fruits are not low carb. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > 208/133/130 > Started 3/1/04 I don't agree that people who are losing weight can't eat berries. I eat them quite a bit. It just depends what your calorie and carb goals are for the day. SignatureBob in CT > Of course, I'm also a big fan of an evening snack, which goes against > one of the popular strictures. But it works for me. Diabetics often need one, to stave off something called the Dawn Phenomenon, where your liver produces too much glucose to start the day. Maybe your evening snack is stopping that happening for you, which is helping any insulin resistance, which is helping your weight loss...I'm losing with a bedtime snack, too. > 208/133/130 Wow! So close! Nice going. Nicky. SignatureA1c 10.5/5.7/<6 Weight 95/78/72Kg 1g Metformin, 87.5ug Thyroxine T2 DX 05/2004 > > Apples aren't low carb You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW > > You dummy, I know they are not low carb. > At one of the LC stages you can have some apples. > Read a book, if you are capable. You seem to take > stupid down to the level of negative Infinity. JC confuses "low carb foods" (foods low in carbohydrates per serving) with a "low carb eating lifestyle" (eating a low number of total carbohydrates per time period, often per day). Signature--- Chris Smolinski Black Cat Systems http://www.blackcatsystems.com >>>Apples aren't low carb You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > with a "low carb eating lifestyle" (eating a low number of total > carbohydrates per time period, often per day). Even if you use little words, JC still won't get it. > Even if you use little words, JC still won't get it. For crying out loud Joe! LET IT GO. You end up looking like you're 5 years old following him around sticking out your tongue and telling people not to play with him. You were told last week that there's no Internet Police Force you can have "get rid of" JC so just learn to ignore him. Carmen SignaturePlease note change in Reply To address carmensrt <at> gmail <dot> com Hotmail isn't working and is being abandoned >>Even if you use little words, JC still won't get it. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Carmen Hmmm, though I suppose just as JC has the right to harangue, so does Joe. Waste of time though. Hi, > >>Even if you use little words, JC still won't get it. > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Hmmm, though I suppose just as JC has the right to harangue, so does > Joe. Waste of time though. True. The joy and curse of unmoderated groups. Joe annoys me more. Every once in a while JC contributes something low-carb in amongst the jabs. He also doesn't whine. <G> Take care, Carmen SignaturePlease note change in Reply To address carmensrt <at> gmail <dot> com Hotmail isn't working and is being abandoned > The sweeter the fruit , the higher the carbs!!! > Is this a true statement? In general but I am certain you could find exceptions if you looked hard enough. > Is the amount of carbs locked into the fruit from the time it > got picked? Or time adds carbs since the fruit tastes sweeter later? > Probably something in the fruit turns to sugar with time. There are two general types that could change into sugar. Starch. No one should deduct starch grams. Changing from starch to sugar will make something sweeter and it will increase the glycemic index, but it will not change the net carbs. Fiber. The usual way to convert fiber to digestible carbs is cooking. I have no idea if the ripening process converts fiber into sugar. if it does, there is a change in the net carbs but not in the total carbs. > If time increases the carbs in the picked fruits, then someone should > only eat sour apples (given being out of induction). Okay. Unless your CCLL justifies the sweet ones or you're on a plan like CAD where you can have carbier items within specific rules. |
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