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Martha Gallagher - 31 Jan 2005 21:33 GMT
Hey ASDLCers,

I'm back on the fitday wagon (it's just better that way). One thing I
noticed was that my usual calorie intake is like an inverted pyramid -
lowest number of calories for breakfast, more for lunch, most for dinner.

So, just as an experiment I've decided to try putting my meal calories on
a budget. I chose 500 calories per meal because it's enough that I'm not
going to be hungry at any meal and if I eat the full 500 at all meals I'm
still w/in an ok range for the day. I'm not going out of my way to up my
breakfast calories, because I'm happy w/ what I have for breakfast and it
keeps me satisfied until lunch time. Besides, keeping that low gives me
room for a snack if I want one.

Anyone else have a tendency to eat more at night and did you find that
spreading the calories out more made it easier for you to lose/maintain
your weight?

Martha

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Roger Zoul - 31 Jan 2005 21:57 GMT
> Hey ASDLCers,
>
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> spreading the calories out more made it easier for you to
> lose/maintain your weight?

It is much better so spread your calories more or less even rather than
getting a big dump of food at one meal, no matter which meal that may be.
Also, being hungry before a meal is a good thing for weight loss.  Why not
try 5 300 kcal meals?  And if you're not hungry before bed, skip the last
one.
Cubit - 31 Jan 2005 22:43 GMT
You are on the right track.  Try 12 meals of 80 calories each.  Eat *before*
you get hungry.

> Hey ASDLCers,
>
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>
> Martha
Roger Zoul - 31 Jan 2005 22:51 GMT
> You are on the right track.  Try 12 meals of 80 calories each.  Eat
> *before* you get hungry.

Getting feisty, huh?

>> Hey ASDLCers,
>>
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>> "ALPO is 99 cents a can.  That's over SEVEN dog dollars!!"
>> Revek - ASDLC
Carmen - 31 Jan 2005 23:14 GMT
Hi,

> > You are on the right track.  Try 12 meals of 80 calories each.
> > Eat *before* you get hungry.
>
> Getting feisty, huh?

If it weren't Cubit I'd suspect he was being funny.  ;-)

Take care,
Carmen

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Cubit - 02 Feb 2005 01:16 GMT
You are right.  I was serious.

> Hi,
>
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> Take care,
> Carmen
marengo - 01 Feb 2005 02:47 GMT
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|| Cubit <no@not.not> typed:
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|||| "ALPO is 99 cents a can.  That's over SEVEN dog dollars!!"
|||| Revek - ASDLC

I understand that the ADA now says that 24 meals of 40 calories each are
best ....

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Xtile - 31 Jan 2005 23:01 GMT
> You are on the right track.  Try 12 meals of 80 calories each.  Eat *before*
> you get hungry.

Than sound complicated
Cubit - 02 Feb 2005 01:16 GMT
You just need a timer and a kitchen scale....

> > You are on the right track.  Try 12 meals of 80 calories each.  Eat *before*
> > you get hungry.
>
> Than sound complicated
JC Der Koenig - 01 Feb 2005 02:03 GMT
I prefer to fast all day and then eat all my calories at once, between 6 and
7 pm.

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> Hey ASDLCers,
>
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>
> Martha
marengo - 01 Feb 2005 02:48 GMT
|| I prefer to fast all day and then eat all my calories at once,
|| between 6 and 7 pm.

Sounds like the CAD

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JC Der Koenig - 01 Feb 2005 02:54 GMT
> || I prefer to fast all day and then eat all my calories at once,
> || between 6 and 7 pm.
>
> Sounds like the CAD

It sounds more like the Warrior Diet to me.
marengo - 01 Feb 2005 06:01 GMT
||| "JC Der Koenig" <jcderkoenig@ibm.com> wrote in message
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|| It sounds more like the Warrior Diet to me.

I often go all day without eating until evening also, expecially when I'm
busy at work.   I don't get hungry until dinnertime; I've found that eating
during the day is habit more than hunger.

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JC Der Koenig - 01 Feb 2005 12:13 GMT
> ||| "JC Der Koenig" <jcderkoenig@ibm.com> wrote in message
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> eating
> during the day is habit more than hunger.

It could aptly be named The Workingman's Diet.
Luna - 01 Feb 2005 04:25 GMT
I've never had the self control for that.  When I go all day without
eating, I am so hungry by the time I get home that I end up caring more
about being hungry in the moment than I do about losing weight in the long
term, so I am more likely to make bad food choices.  

I used to do that a lot because I was trying the "only eat when you're
hungry" method, but I wouldn't get hungry until late afternoon, and it
would just hit me so hard and so suddently I'd eat everything.  Made no
sense either, because only someone who's been lost in the woods for weeks
should be _that_ hungry.

> I prefer to fast all day and then eat all my calories at once, between 6 and
> 7 pm.
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> >
> > Martha

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JC Der Koenig - 01 Feb 2005 04:27 GMT
Eating slowly helps quite a bit.

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> I've never had the self control for that.  When I go all day without
> eating, I am so hungry by the time I get home that I end up caring more
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>> > Martha
Luna - 01 Feb 2005 06:10 GMT
You know, actually, I've been making a concerted effort to eat more slowly,
this past week.  It's a bit annoying, because by the time I'm halfway done
with my food, it's gone all cold and manky.  I set out to take 20 minutes
to eat my scrambled eggs this morning, for example, but it ended being more
like 10, because there's only so much chewing you can do with scrambled
eggs really.  And who wants to eat cold scrambled eggs?  Not me for one.  
Anyway, eating slowly in combination with eating more frequently helps me
to not overeat.  It's significantly easier to not wolf down my food when
I'm moderately hungry as opposed to ravenous, and my objective in my food
choices and eating schedule is to make it easier to eat less.  

> Eating slowly helps quite a bit.
>
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> >> >
> >> > Martha

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JC Der Koenig - 01 Feb 2005 12:16 GMT
If your eggs get cold and unappealing, don't eat them.  But also don't eat
anything else until you finish your eggs.

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> You know, actually, I've been making a concerted effort to eat more
> slowly,
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>> >> > Martha
diane - 01 Feb 2005 12:25 GMT
I think the 500 C per meal is good. a nice hearty breakfast before work- a
great sandwich lunch, or split it into 2 coffee break snacks, and a
controlled dinner- my carnivorous time. yes, I like my after dinner "sweet"
too.

Diane
> You know, actually, I've been making a concerted effort to eat more
> slowly,
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>> >> > Martha
Bob M - 01 Feb 2005 13:12 GMT
I think eating slowly is a great idea, and I've been trying to make this a  
habit, too.

> You know, actually, I've been making a concerted effort to eat more  
> slowly,
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>> >> > Martha

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Roger Zoul - 01 Feb 2005 13:40 GMT
:: I think eating slowly is a great idea, and I've been trying to make
:: this a habit, too.

I think the better question to ask first is do you really eat too fast.  If
you're putting food away as a dog would, then it is definitely better to
slow down, putting your folk down every so often and allowing your body to
get the notion that food is coming in and your hunger is being sated.

OTOH, I can't imagine myself ever eating enough eggs at once to take 20
minutes to eat them. :)

YMMV.

:: On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 06:10:06 GMT, Luna
:: <lunachick@NOSPAMmindspring.com> wrote:
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:: Bob in CT
Bob M - 01 Feb 2005 13:56 GMT
> :: I think eating slowly is a great idea, and I've been trying to make
> :: this a habit, too.
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>
> YMMV.

I'm speaking mainly of dinner.  For breakfast, I really have to eat  
quickly, as I have to get to work.  For dinner, I've found that if I eat  
slower (like taking a rest between bites) and wait before taking a second  
serving (and starting with a small first serving), I can eat less.

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Roger Zoul - 01 Feb 2005 14:57 GMT
:: On Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:47:34 -0500, Roger Zoul
:: <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> wrote:
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:: a second serving (and starting with a small first serving), I can
:: eat less.

I plan my meals according to calories (when trying to lose), so there isn't
a thing such as servings.  Once I've reached my calorie limit, that it.  But
sometimes, I'll come in under budget because I don't feel the need to eat
any more.  Yesterday I got away with 754 kcals.  I might need more today,
though, as I plan to hit the cardio hard tonight.

:: --
:: Bob in CT
Bob M - 01 Feb 2005 15:00 GMT
> :: On Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:47:34 -0500, Roger Zoul
> :: <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> any more.  Yesterday I got away with 754 kcals.  I might need more today,
> though, as I plan to hit the cardio hard tonight.

I used to count calories, and I think I'm going to restart.  I've always  
wanted, however, to train myself to eat less just using portion size/slow  
eating.  Nonetheless, it really does help to determine how much one is  
eating, so I'm going to restart counting calories.

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Roger Zoul - 01 Feb 2005 16:43 GMT
:: On Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:01:51 -0500, Roger Zoul
:: <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> wrote:
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:: determine how much one is eating, so I'm going to restart counting
:: calories.

I think one way to train yourself to eat less naturaly is to eat very small
meals....and then eat to your hunger, not by the clock (I think this works
because, for me, food is always available).  By counting calories now, and
keeping meals around 300 kcals, I'm sure to do that.  And I have found that
when I go out, and eat what people consider to be a normal sized meal, I'm
really full - even if I haven't exceeded my calorie budget.  This is my
little experiment to free myself one day from counting.

I'm also finding out all kinds of things about myself and food.
None Given - 01 Feb 2005 18:05 GMT
> I'm speaking mainly of dinner.  For breakfast, I really have to eat
> quickly, as I have to get to work.

I've been fixing DH a bacon and cheese omelet wrapped in a low carb tortilla
at night.  When he gets up he just nukes it after he starts his coffee.  If
he's running behind he can eat it while driving.

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Luna - 01 Feb 2005 16:28 GMT
> :: I think eating slowly is a great idea, and I've been trying to make
> :: this a habit, too.
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>
> YMMV.

I just remembered reading once that you should make your meals last for 20
minutes, because that's how long it takes your stomach to get the first
bite of food and tell your brain it has food in it.

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Roger Zoul - 01 Feb 2005 16:49 GMT
:: In article <369f2sF4s1occU1@individual.net>,
::  "Roger Zoul" <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> wrote:
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:: for 20 minutes, because that's how long it takes your stomach to get
:: the first bite of food and tell your brain it has food in it.

Yeah...that info sounds like what the dietician used to tell me back when I
was seeing one on a regular basis for weight loss.  I was never able to
incorporate that trick into my toolbag.  Frankly, it seems unnatural do sit
there chewing food some many times, putting your folk down between every
bite, etc.
I guess if it computes in your mind you should use it...but it didn't work
for me.  I can relate to not inhaling food, though :) I used to do that a
lot.
Luna - 01 Feb 2005 18:02 GMT
> :: In article <369f2sF4s1occU1@individual.net>,
> ::  "Roger Zoul" <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> for me.  I can relate to not inhaling food, though :) I used to do that a
> lot.

I have all sorts of tricks I can use to make myself eat less.  Use a
smaller plate, put the food remaining in the pot or pan away before I eat
what I put on my plate, use a small fork and take smaller bites, don't read
or watch tv while eating, eat at the table instead of sitting in the
recliner, drink a glass of water before eating, floss and brush my teeth
immediately after eating, wash and dry the plate and fork right after
eating.  However, if I wait to eat until my stomach is actually growling,
all that stuff goes out the window and I pig out.  On lazy weekend days
it's not a problem.  I can eat just one meal and not overeat and be fine.  
On workout and work days however, I need more constant fuel throughout the
day to avoid feeling ravenous.

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Xtile - 01 Feb 2005 14:18 GMT
> I prefer to fast all day and then eat all my calories at once, between 6 and
> 7 pm.

warrior diet
JC Der Koenig - 02 Feb 2005 02:43 GMT
>> I prefer to fast all day and then eat all my calories at once, between 6
>> and 7 pm.
>>
> warrior diet

Rilly?
Xtile - 02 Feb 2005 11:14 GMT
>>>I prefer to fast all day and then eat all my calories at once, between 6
>>>and 7 pm.
>>
>>warrior diet
>
> Rilly?

sorry, you posted b4 me....I like the Warrior diet, in doses of a week
or soa t a time....
Beth Friedman - 02 Feb 2005 15:55 GMT
>Anyone else have a tendency to eat more at night and did you find that
>spreading the calories out more made it easier for you to lose/maintain
>your weight?

I tend to eat more at night.  My usual pattern is 200 calories for
breakfast, 400 for lunch, 500 for dinner, and 300 for an evening
snack.

I know this counter to all the "have your calories early"
recommendations, but it works for me.  I'm working during the day, and
I don't think as much about food, but in the evening when I'm reading
or watching TV or surfing the Web, it's nice to have something to
nibble on.
Roger Zoul - 02 Feb 2005 17:15 GMT
:: On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 16:33:56 -0500, Martha Gallagher
:: <marza@patriot.net> wrote:
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:: reading or watching TV or surfing the Web, it's nice to have
:: something to nibble on.

I don't think is a problem at all, as long as you don't overeat.
 
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