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PeterProject - 02 Feb 2005 11:36 GMT
Hello.  I received some fantastic feedback regarding prepared low carb
foods for a college paper I am writing (and some rude feedback - I am
sorry I don't know how to "quote", JC Der Koenig.  Thanks for being a
big enough person to explain how to do it for this newbie without
leaving any negative quotes yourself.  Please do not resond to this
message as I can simply read what seems to be every other post on here
with your self absorbed comments.)

Anyway, I was hoping I could get more information, or thoughts, about
successes or failures anyone has had through the use of LC products
bought prepared from their local market.  For me, I have more sucess at
weight management when I make my own foods with fresh ingredients
(including Soy Peanut Butter Cookies, which look horrible but taste
great!)

Thanks in advance!

-Peter

(and if someone will let me know how to "properly" respond to left
feedback, I would be thankful.  Not you Der Koenig.)
JC Der Koenig - 02 Feb 2005 11:55 GMT
You're in college, and yet you can't figure out how to quote?

Majoring in basketweaving, perhaps?

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> Hello.  I received some fantastic feedback regarding prepared low carb
> foods for a college paper I am writing (and some rude feedback - I am
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> (and if someone will let me know how to "properly" respond to left
> feedback, I would be thankful.  Not you Der Koenig.)
PeterProject - 02 Feb 2005 13:05 GMT
I AM majoring in basketweaving!  My interest in this art form may have
been sparked while I was earning my first degree at Cornell University.
This Ivy League degree has opened so many doors for me - it's almost
unfair!  Basketweaving has always held such a special place in my heart
as the distraction from the intense competition known as Ivy League
Schooling.  I am glad I now have the chance to study this arts
importance in society, as I have always bemoaned the fact that I could
not share my love of it's complex patterns with others.

Now, the only thing I can regret while I sit here looking at that
diploma on my wall (which, again I will add, will let me breeze through
life) is that I didn't pay more attention to people who could help me
learn how to reply in Google groups.  JC - I am sorry if I ignored you
each time I chose teams in grade school.  I'm sorry I wouldn't let you
sit at my table at lunch in high school.  I'm sorry if you weren't
invited to my college parties.  Let's put all that behind us and know
that now, you are the better person.

I'll take that to my level.

-P
The Queen of Cans and Jars - 02 Feb 2005 14:56 GMT
> I AM majoring in basketweaving!

learn to quote, dumbass.
Wysong *~ - 02 Feb 2005 20:09 GMT
I'm sorry if you weren't
> invited to my college parties.  Let's put all that behind us and know
> that now, you are the better person.
>
> I'll take that to my level.
=========================
I don't use Google so don't know about quoting using that service.  You can
"cut & paste" other people's messages in your reply.  If you have access to
OE you can use the free "News.individual.net."  Set OE to include
original-messages in all replies.
Ignore the rude people here who call childish names.  That's how they vent
their frustration....
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JC Der Koenig - 03 Feb 2005 01:51 GMT
Still can't figure out how to quote?

Your "Ivy League" education can't help you?

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>I AM majoring in basketweaving!  My interest in this art form may have
> been sparked while I was earning my first degree at Cornell University.
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>
> -P
Xtile - 05 Feb 2005 00:26 GMT
> I AM majoring in basketweaving!  My interest in this art form may have
> been sparked while I was earning my first degree at Cornell University.
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
> -P

go ahead, kiss him!
The Queen of Cans and Jars - 02 Feb 2005 14:41 GMT
> You're in college, and yet you can't figure out how to quote?

he also doesn't seem to realize that anecdotal evidence gathered on the
internet is generally frowned upon as a research source.  
Ada Ma - 02 Feb 2005 15:05 GMT
>>You're in college, and yet you can't figure out how to quote?
>
> he also doesn't seem to realize that anecdotal evidence gathered on the
> internet is generally frowned upon as a research source.  

and that's how to get a marginal pass for his term paper.  he won't fail though
- because usually the marker can't be bothered to sit at the Examiner's Board
meeting to defend why the student is given a fail for his "effort".  <G>
The Queen of Cans and Jars - 02 Feb 2005 22:32 GMT
> >>You're in college, and yet you can't figure out how to quote?
> >
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Examiner's Board meeting to defend why the student is given a fail for his
> "effort".  <G>

it wouldn't pass at the school i attend.  
Ada Ma - 03 Feb 2005 19:20 GMT
>>>>You're in college, and yet you can't figure out how to quote?
>>>
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>
> it wouldn't pass at the school i attend.  

how's your degree getting on?  are you on 1st, 2nd or 3rd degree?  that peter
guy seriously needs a course in research methods if he isn't trolling.
The Queen of Cans and Jars - 04 Feb 2005 01:22 GMT
> >>>>You're in college, and yet you can't figure out how to quote?
> >>>
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> how's your degree getting on?  are you on 1st, 2nd or 3rd degree?  that peter
> guy seriously needs a course in research methods if he isn't trolling.

i am working on my first degree.  it's going fine but very slowly
because i cannot afford not to work full-time right now, so i am just
patiently taking two classes a semester until i either have enough units
to transfer or actually complete my general education requirements.

i'm having a very easy semester of art right now.  none of the math
classes i need fit into my schedule and i needed a break after difficult
classes last semester, so these are very relaxing classes for me.
besides, we have such a great darkroom at the school that it's a shame
not to take advantage of it.  i try to take a photography class every
two or three semesters.
Ada Ma - 04 Feb 2005 10:26 GMT
>>how's your degree getting on?  are you on 1st, 2nd or 3rd degree?  
>
> i am working on my first degree.  it's going fine but very slowly
> because i cannot afford not to work full-time right now, so i am just
> patiently taking two classes a semester until i either have enough units
> to transfer or actually complete my general education requirements.

oh yes, I remember you mentioned you're working as well as studying.  working
full-time?  I thought you are working part-time.  It's tough studying while
working FT.  I'd spent the last 2 years writing up my thesis while working FT,
my bosses have been very accomodating so it didn't kill me or anything.  I am
waiting for the date for my defence.  As you said, patience wins the day!

> i'm having a very easy semester of art right now.  none of the math
> classes i need fit into my schedule and i needed a break after difficult
> classes last semester, so these are very relaxing classes for me.
> besides, we have such a great darkroom at the school that it's a shame
> not to take advantage of it.  i try to take a photography class every
> two or three semesters.

maths - get JC to give you some coaching! ;-)  only joking - for all I know he
can live miles away from you.
JC Der Koenig - 04 Feb 2005 12:39 GMT
> maths - get JC to give you some coaching!

What makes you think I'd work for free?
Ada Ma - 04 Feb 2005 12:57 GMT
>>maths - get JC to give you some coaching!
>
> What makes you think I'd work for free?

because the universe has just exploded and with a strange twist of fate you
became the kindest person in the world.
JC Der Koenig - 05 Feb 2005 01:46 GMT
>>>maths - get JC to give you some coaching!
>>
>> What makes you think I'd work for free?
>
> because the universe has just exploded and with a strange twist of fate
> you became the kindest person in the world.

The Universe is supposed to implode.
Ada Ma - 05 Feb 2005 16:18 GMT
>>>>maths - get JC to give you some coaching!
>>>
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>
> The Universe is supposed to implode.

well, you never know.  at the last Human Cosmology conference I attended I
learnt that we can have blackholes in stomachs as long as we eat cauliflowers
<G>.  who knows what's next?
AngieRose - 05 Feb 2005 18:25 GMT
>>>>>maths - get JC to give you some coaching!
>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> learnt that we can have blackholes in stomachs as long as we eat
> cauliflowers <G>.  who knows what's next?

ROFL Thanks for the laugh I needed that today

Angie
Ada Ma - 07 Feb 2005 14:25 GMT
>>>>>>maths - get JC to give you some coaching!
>>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> Angie
>  

<bow> :-)
FOB - 05 Feb 2005 18:31 GMT
Oh, no!  I just had some cauliflower for lunch and now I read this too late!

In news:cu2rkh$s4i$1@news.abdn.ac.uk,
Ada Ma <ada_ma2001@DONOTSPAMMEYOUEEJIThotmail.com> stated
| well, you never know.  at the last Human Cosmology conference I
| attended I learnt that we can have blackholes in stomachs as long as
| we eat cauliflowers <G>.  who knows what's next?
Ada Ma - 07 Feb 2005 14:23 GMT
Haha, FOB.  Congratulations.  You just discovered THE WAY to EAT ALL YOU WANT
and NEVER GAIN A POUND.  Oh yes, it's the blackhole diet.  Angie and myself have
just patented this technology and will make it available to the masses.

Oh yes, we are the new diet gods!

<G>

> Oh, no!  I just had some cauliflower for lunch and now I read this too late!
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> | attended I learnt that we can have blackholes in stomachs as long as
> | we eat cauliflowers <G>.  who knows what's next?
AngieRose - 07 Feb 2005 18:52 GMT
> Haha, FOB.  Congratulations.  You just discovered THE WAY to EAT ALL YOU
> WANT and NEVER GAIN A POUND.  Oh yes, it's the blackhole diet.  Angie and
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> <G>

I always said I was a god, now I know what I'm god of.
LOL

Angie
Carmen - 07 Feb 2005 18:58 GMT
Hi,

> > Haha, FOB.  Congratulations.  You just discovered THE WAY to EAT
> > ALL YOU WANT and NEVER GAIN A POUND.  Oh yes, it's the blackhole
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> I always said I was a god, now I know what I'm god of.
> LOL

I'm the god of twist ties myself.
Stop laughing.  Everything else was taken.  Almost everything anyway.
"God of paint sample cards" didn't appeal to me.

Take care,
Carmen
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AngieRose - 08 Feb 2005 00:58 GMT
> I'm the god of twist ties myself.
> Stop laughing.  Everything else was taken.  Almost everything anyway.
> "God of paint sample cards" didn't appeal to me.
>
> Take care,
> Carmen

Hmmm I wonder if God of Undeveloped Film is taken.
Angie :o)
Carmen - 08 Feb 2005 14:35 GMT
Hi,
Carmen:
> > I'm the god of twist ties myself.
> > Stop laughing.  Everything else was taken.  Almost everything
> > anyway.
> > "God of paint sample cards" didn't appeal to me.

AngieRose:
> Hmmm I wonder if God of Undeveloped Film is taken.

Even if it is, that's way too much work for one deity.  From the looks
of the mountain of undeveloped film I've found over the years in my
own stuff that'd require a committee.  <G>

Take care,
Carmen

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AngieRose - 08 Feb 2005 23:45 GMT
> Hi,
> Carmen:
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> Take care,
> Carmen

lol You don't even want to know how much undeveloped film I have in my
house. In the summer I take about 6 - 12 roles of photos a week sometimes
more sometimes less. Now if only I would develop them to see what the look
like. Good thing I don't make money this way.

I'm going to be shooting my best friends wedding this summer I better take
them right to the developer.

Angie
FOB - 09 Feb 2005 00:00 GMT
You need to go digital.  It used to take me forever to finish a roll of
film, now I can take a few shots and immediately download them to the laptop
and send them away in email to share.

In news:e6mdneVct_2L0pTfRVn-tQ@bresnan.com,
AngieRose <theroses...@bresnan.net> stated

| lol You don't even want to know how much undeveloped film I have in my
| house. In the summer I take about 6 - 12 roles of photos a week
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|
| Angie
AngieRose - 09 Feb 2005 00:32 GMT
> You need to go digital.  It used to take me forever to finish a roll of
> film, now I can take a few shots and immediately download them to the
> laptop
> and send them away in email to share.

I have 3 digitals and 4 SLRs what I really want if I only had the money is a
digital SLR.

I just picked up a nice black frame that I'll put one of my  B&W photos in
as a side gift for my friends birthday (its today) the big gift is a 25$
Gift card to B&N but gift cards are so small.

Angie
Carmen - 04 Feb 2005 13:15 GMT
> > maths - get JC to give you some coaching!
>
> What makes you think I'd work for free?

The lavish way you hand out dietary advice?

Evil & Blonde
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FOB - 04 Feb 2005 15:36 GMT
But the math advice equivalent of his diet advice is "two plus two equals
four."  Not terribly useful.

In news:YtKMd.36297$BQ2.22852@bignews6.bellsouth.net,
Carmen <carmensrt@hotmail.com> stated

||| maths - get JC to give you some coaching!
||
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Carmen - 04 Feb 2005 15:52 GMT
Hi,

Ada Ma:
> ||| maths - get JC to give you some coaching!

JC:
> || What makes you think I'd work for free?

Carmen:
> | The lavish way you hand out dietary advice?

> But the math advice equivalent of his diet advice is "two plus two
> equals four."  Not terribly useful.

That depends on the audience.  Simple concept, but how many times a
week does someone demonstrate they don't think the concept applies to
low carb?  Too many, unfortunately.

Take care,
Carmen
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Ada Ma - 04 Feb 2005 15:58 GMT
> Hi,
>
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> Take care,
> Carmen

I thought JC's advice would be more like "one is not two. two is not three.
three is not four" to infinity.  Regarding Carmen's comment on how many times in
a week we get someone demonstrate their ignorance on simple maths - well, it
depends on if we have any special guest this week.  This week is a bumper week I
would say.
Carmen - 04 Feb 2005 16:25 GMT
Hi,
On  4-Feb-2005, Ada Ma <ada_ma2001@DONOTSPAMMEYOUEEJIThotmail.com>
wrote:

> I thought JC's advice would be more like "one is not two. two is not
> three. three is not four" to infinity.  Regarding Carmen's comment
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> week is a
> bumper week I would say.

The one woman show we've been treated to recently is on the rare side
- thankfully.

Take care,
Carmen

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Ada Ma - 04 Feb 2005 17:14 GMT
> Hi,
> On  4-Feb-2005, Ada Ma <ada_ma2001@DONOTSPAMMEYOUEEJIThotmail.com>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> The one woman show we've been treated to recently is on the rare side
> - thankfully.

amen!!!  I can't understand a word she wrote.
JC Der Koenig - 05 Feb 2005 01:49 GMT
All math can be reduced to addition.

Don't worry, I expect you to not understand.

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> But the math advice equivalent of his diet advice is "two plus two equals
> four."  Not terribly useful.
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Luna - 05 Feb 2005 04:42 GMT
Huh. Yeah. Hmm.  Subtraction is just adding a negative number,
multiplication is just a shortcut to adding the same number over and over,
and division is just the opposite of multiplication right?  So division is
a shortcut to subtracting the same number over and over?  And that's just
arithmetic.

> All math can be reduced to addition.
>
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JC Der Koenig - 05 Feb 2005 15:03 GMT
Division is multiplying the reciprocal.

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> Huh. Yeah. Hmm.  Subtraction is just adding a negative number,
> multiplication is just a shortcut to adding the same number over and over,
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Luna - 05 Feb 2005 19:06 GMT
Math would be easier if they just used regular words. Can't they just call
it the upside-down?  And those "less than" and "greater than" signs should
be called a Pac Man mouth.  See, Pac Man is hungry, so he always eats the
bigger number.  Also, what's with less than and greater than anyway?  I've
never used those or even seen them outside of elementary school.  

> Division is multiplying the reciprocal.
>
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> > a shortcut to subtracting the same number over and over?  And that's just
> > arithmetic.

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JC Der Koenig - 05 Feb 2005 19:48 GMT
Do you really want me to explain the answers to your questions, or are you
merely spewing?

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> Math would be easier if they just used regular words. Can't they just call
> it the upside-down?  And those "less than" and "greater than" signs should
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>> > just
>> > arithmetic.
Ada Ma - 07 Feb 2005 10:55 GMT
the Pacman makes me laugh.

You've been unconciously using the < and > since forever - you use it when you
count your calories, your money, etc., you just don't write it out!

> Math would be easier if they just used regular words. Can't they just call
> it the upside-down?  And those "less than" and "greater than" signs should
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>>>a shortcut to subtracting the same number over and over?  And that's just
>>>arithmetic.
JC Der Koenig - 07 Feb 2005 12:57 GMT
> the Pacman makes me laugh.

I really don't like the Pacman analogy.  There is no transference when the
students wants to apply the symbol to an application. It's much better for
them to learn the real meaning.
Ada Ma - 07 Feb 2005 14:24 GMT
>>the Pacman makes me laugh.
>
> I really don't like the Pacman analogy.  There is no transference when the
> students wants to apply the symbol to an application. It's much better for
> them to learn the real meaning.

Agree with you on this one - the Pacman can goes left and right and up and down
- the analogy still makes me laugh though...
JC Der Koenig - 05 Feb 2005 01:47 GMT
>> > maths - get JC to give you some coaching!
>>
>> What makes you think I'd work for free?
>
> The lavish way you hand out dietary advice?

I'll give out math advice also, but that doesn't mean I'll go for free
tutoring.

Free advice:  Math is hard, so do something else.
Ada Ma - 05 Feb 2005 16:21 GMT
> I'll give out math advice also, but that doesn't mean I'll go for free
> tutoring.
>
> Free advice:  Math is hard, so do something else.

Heh heh, that's just the roundabout way JC gets people to do maths.
Roger Zoul - 04 Feb 2005 20:10 GMT
:: oh yes, I remember you mentioned you're working as well as studying.
:: working full-time?  I thought you are working part-time.  It's tough
:: studying while working FT.  I'd spent the last 2 years writing up my
:: thesis while working FT, my bosses have been very accomodating so it
:: didn't kill me or anything.  I am waiting for the date for my
:: defence.  As you said, patience wins the day!

What's the title of your thesis?
Ada Ma - 07 Feb 2005 14:40 GMT
> What's the title of your thesis?

"Economics of Incentives and Remuneration: Empirical Studies in Promotion
Tournament, Discrimination on Job-Ladders and Pay of Public Sector CEOs."

it's in the labor econ field. it's actually 3 different pieces of work, all
using empirical analysis: (1) testing tournament theory, (2) testing a
discrimination theory on promotions and pay, (3) analysing the pay of Vice
Chancellors in universities - they're called college presidents in US.

collecting the data on the college presidents nearly drove me mad.  I'm going to
have a bonfire to burn all those boxes of paper with data on universities and
vice chancellors after I got my degree, and I shall dance around it and chant
something totally idiotic when I do it.
AngieRose - 07 Feb 2005 18:54 GMT
>> What's the title of your thesis?
>
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> universities and vice chancellors after I got my degree, and I shall dance
> around it and chant something totally idiotic when I do it.

Will this be a party so we could come and see this dance.... heck I'll do it
with ya
Angie
Ada Ma - 07 Feb 2005 21:30 GMT
>> I'm
>>going to have a bonfire to burn all those boxes of paper with data on
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> with ya
> Angie

Yay!
JC Der Koenig - 03 Feb 2005 01:53 GMT
>> You're in college, and yet you can't figure out how to quote?
>
> he also doesn't seem to realize that anecdotal evidence gathered on the
> internet is generally frowned upon as a research source.

There are obviously many things he doesn't realize.
Roger Zoul - 02 Feb 2005 13:48 GMT
:: Hello.  I received some fantastic feedback regarding prepared low
:: carb foods for a college paper I am writing (and some rude feedback
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
:: (and if someone will let me know how to "properly" respond to left
:: feedback, I would be thankful.  Not you Der Koenig.)

You're fishing for info yet over half your post is about JC?  Try to focus a
little, Peter.

BTW, the stores have plenty of LC products that many of us used regularly:
meat, fish, chicken, eggs, hard cheeses, heavy cream, sour cream, veggies of
all sort, and some fruits.  You want us to comment on these?  The only other
thing I regularly use are certain LC tortillas....which are like manna from
God.
nanner - 02 Feb 2005 14:21 GMT
> :: Hello.  I received some fantastic feedback regarding prepared low
> :: carb foods for a college paper I am writing (and some rude feedback
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> from
> God.

Roger - what kind of LC tortillas do you use? I am not at a point where I
can eat them yet but I will be someday :o) I used Melba rounds, Finn Crisp
and Wasa in the past but that was before LC products came about (other than
some protin bars & shakes)

Thanks- JoAnna
176/139/120
Bob M - 02 Feb 2005 14:35 GMT
>> :: Hello.  I received some fantastic feedback regarding prepared low
>> :: carb foods for a college paper I am writing (and some rude feedback
[quoted text clipped - 43 lines]
> Thanks- JoAnna
> 176/139/120

They're all over the place, now. I use several varieties.  Just watch for  
partially hydrogenated oils.

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nanner - 02 Feb 2005 14:49 GMT
>>> :: Hello.  I received some fantastic feedback regarding prepared low
>>> :: carb foods for a college paper I am writing (and some rude feedback
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> They're all over the place, now. I use several varieties.  Just watch for
> partially hydrogenated oils.

But Roger says his are like Manna from God - I think that's a pretty good
recommendation.
Bob M - 02 Feb 2005 14:57 GMT
>>>> :: Hello.  I received some fantastic feedback regarding prepared low
>>>> :: carb foods for a college paper I am writing (and some rude feedback
[quoted text clipped - 55 lines]
> But Roger says his are like Manna from God - I think that's a pretty good
> recommendation.

All of the ones I've had (and I've had basically every variety I can find)  
aren't as good as normal tortillas.  However, they're good enough.  One  
trick they use is making the physical size smaller for low carb versions  
-- the low carb versions may only be 5 inches in diameter, while the  
higher carb ones will be huge.  They also use soy flour and whole wheat  
flours, along with some type of fiber.  They also aren't really that low  
in carbs, if you eat more than one of them.

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Roger Zoul - 02 Feb 2005 15:55 GMT
:::::: PeterProject wrote:
:::::::: Hello.  I received some fantastic feedback regarding prepared
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:: They also aren't really that low in carbs, if you eat more than one
:: of them.

those from Santa Fe aren't bad, but they don't taste as good as the normal
ones. But then again, I don't care about that.  they have 100 kcal each, are
at least 7 inches (I'll have to measure them - -but they are small like
those Mama Lupe ones) and they taste okay.  6 net carbs per tortilla, with 7
g of fiber.  And NO Transfats.  I get them from Sam's Club.

One of those, two slices of cheese, one serving of canadian bacon...300
kcals and I'm out the door.  That's what makes it manna. One of those in the
AM...garden salad for lunch, another before the gym. 300kcals of protein
powder and sour cream...and then another one of those (or not if I'm trying
hard to hold caloires).  1500 kcals for the day.  then on the weekends I can
eat a bit more and lose 2 lbs.
Bob M - 02 Feb 2005 15:59 GMT
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> those from Santa Fe aren't bad, but they don't taste as good as the  
> normal
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> with 7
> g of fiber.  And NO Transfats.  I get them from Sam's Club.

hmmm...I didn't nkow Sam's Club carried them.  Being someone who used to  
like unsweetened, un-anything rice cakes while on low fat, I can eat  
anything served up by low carb (other than products with sugar alcohols in  
them).

> One of those, two slices of cheese, one serving of canadian bacon...300
> kcals and I'm out the door.  That's what makes it manna. One of those in  
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> can
> eat a bit more and lose 2 lbs.

I forgot about the cheese + tortilla recipes.  I've been eating them with  
beef, pork, eggs, as a wrap for "sandwiches," etc.  Personally, I have to  
watch the tortillas -- I was having one for breakfast (holding my eggs)  
and two for dinner.  I still have two for dinner at times, but I also like  
trying to replace tortillas with something like vegetables, when I can.

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Roger Zoul - 02 Feb 2005 16:13 GMT
:: On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 11:04:20 -0500, Roger Zoul
:: <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> wrote:
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:: at times, but I also like trying to replace tortillas with something
:: like vegetables, when I can.

I can eat 3 a day to get 18 g carb, 21 g fiber. That leaves room for other
veggies -- big bowls of broccolli and or cauliflower.  You're not doing
induction, are you?
Bob M - 02 Feb 2005 16:13 GMT
> :: On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 11:04:20 -0500, Roger Zoul
> :: <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> veggies -- big bowls of broccolli and or cauliflower.  You're not doing
> induction, are you?

Oh no.  In fact, sometimes I have to eat carbs just to get energy for  
biking -- I'm currently lifting weights one day and biking the next, and  
the bike rides can become problematic without a few extra carbs the day  
before; if I space the bike rides a day apart from weightlifting, it's not  
as bad.  The day I really feel it is Saturday, when I ride for longer  
distances and at the end of a week of trying to reduce calories.

I think it's more that I'd rather replace something of questionable value  
(these tortillas have lots of ingredients) with something with more  
perceived value (like grean beans).  That, and I don't want to get hooked  
on them. ;-)

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Roger Zoul - 02 Feb 2005 16:36 GMT
:: On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 11:16:36 -0500, Roger Zoul
:: <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> wrote:
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:: more perceived value (like grean beans).  That, and I don't want to
:: get hooked on them. ;-)

but weren't you telling me about your lack of time?  One can doubt the value
of these..sure, I won't argue that point. One can question, too, the value
of any kind of bean! :) To some extent, life's a crap shoot.

:: --
:: Bob in CT
Bob M - 02 Feb 2005 16:33 GMT
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> :: I think it's more that I'd rather replace something of questionable
> :: value (these tortillas have lots of ingredients) with something with
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> value
> of any kind of bean! :) To some extent, life's a crap shoot.

I don't think it takes any more time to make frozen vegies as it does pull  
out a tortilla (especially because I have to cook whatever goes in the  
tortilla anyway).  I've been using the crock pot to save some time --  
prepare stuff the night before, put it in there the next day, cook it all  
day, and eat when you get home.  I make much more than I need, then have  
leftovers.

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Roger Zoul - 02 Feb 2005 17:15 GMT
:: On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 11:41:14 -0500, Roger Zoul
:: <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> wrote:
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:: does pull out a tortilla (especially because I have to cook whatever
:: goes in the tortilla anyway).

I rarely cook what goes in mine....just cold stuff from the fridge....

I've been using the crock pot to save
:: some time -- prepare stuff the night before, put it in there the
:: next day, cook it all day, and eat when you get home.  I make much
:: more than I need, then have leftovers.

good idea.  I'm fearful of using the crockpot right now...seems harder to
count calories...maybe later this year, though.
Roger Zoul - 02 Feb 2005 15:55 GMT
::: PeterProject wrote:
::::: Hello.  I received some fantastic feedback regarding prepared low
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:: rounds, Finn Crisp and Wasa in the past but that was before LC
:: products came about (other than some protin bars & shakes)

I use  Santa FE Carb Chopper Tortilla (6 net carbs)  because they have no
transfats.
Ada Ma - 02 Feb 2005 14:34 GMT
> :: Hello.  I received some fantastic feedback regarding prepared low
> :: carb foods for a college paper I am writing (and some rude feedback
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> You're fishing for info yet over half your post is about JC?  Try to focus a
> little, Peter.

He can't.  Otherwise he wouldn't need Ivy League Schooling to get him a place in
an Ivy League university (see his response to JC's response).
carmensrt@hotmail.com - 02 Feb 2005 15:07 GMT
Hello Peter,
> (and if someone will let me know how to "properly" respond to left
> feedback, I would be thankful.  Not you Der Koenig.)

When using Google, you hit "Show options" next to the author's name
*first*.  When you select "Reply" from the options across the header
section you'll get a window that contains the message you're replying
to.  Edit for brevity and clarity and add your comments.  It's
necessary to do it this way in order to get the message you're replying
to in the window automatically.  As you've seen, merely hitting "Reply
at the bottom of a message doesn't do that - although it would have
been possible to use "Cut and Paste".

Have a good day,
Carmen
jamie - 02 Feb 2005 22:24 GMT
> (and if someone will let me know how to "properly" respond to left
> feedback, I would be thankful.  Not you Der Koenig.)

It would be much easier if you ditched Google, and use a newsreader
like Gravity or Agent/FreeAgent (or even Outlook Express, provided
you find a patch called "OE quotefix").  Google is best used as
an archive to search old posts, but it makes a lousy newsreader.

I see you have RoadRunner.  RR has news servers that you can set
up with a newsreader or OE; yours is most likely called called
news.wi.rr.com or news-server.wi.rr.com, and probably listed on your
local RR support webpage.

However, RR all over the USA is fairly notorious for spotty newsfeeds,
missing a lot of posts or breaking down frequently, so a lot of
people sign up for the free server at http://news.individual.net for
text-based discussion groups like this one, because it's more reliable.

HTH

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