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Weight Loss Forum / Low Carb / February 2005Not enough calories?
Hi. I started low carb about six months ago and very easily lost 30 lb in first month and even thou this was my goal I lost another 10 lb since then. My wife on the other hand is having very hard time with it. She lost 10 lb in first week (I know it is water) but this is her fifth week and there is no change. She even lowered her calories and carb count to about 900 cal and 20 gr of carbs per day and still nothing. She is very frustrated because I did not have to work to hard to loose my weight and now I just stay under 100 carbs per day and don't watch calories and fat at all. We go to the gym several times a week so it is not lack of exercise. I guess some people have harder time with this then others. My question is : Is it possible she does not eat enough? Maybe you need to eat certain number of calories per day for your body to switch from burning carbs to burning fat? Any suggestions will be appreciated as I really want her to succeed. Jerry Some people believe in starvation mode, I am not sure what I think about that I know for myself that I lose better when I alternate low calorie days with high calorie days, 1000/1300, and my metobolism seems to slow if I eat fewer calories. Also, she should have her thyroid checked because people who are eating truly clean, not net carbing, and not losing weight may be hypothyroid and need to actually eat more carbs, around 30 to start losing weight. Make sure she is not eating the bars and fake candy etc because those carbs do actually count, despite what the packaging says. Hope this helps. I do not believe the theory that people lose more slowly from too little food. Is your wife, per chance, cheating on her diet. I would check into that first. In any case, eating low carb and low calorie is guaranteed to work over the long run.  Signature223/173.1/180 > I started low carb about six months ago and very easily lost 30 lb in first > month and even thou this was my goal I lost another 10 lb since then. My > wife on the other hand is having very hard time with it. She lost 10 lb in > first week (I know it is water) but this is her fifth week and there is no > change. She even lowered her calories and carb count to about 900 cal and 20 > gr of carbs per day and still nothing. Consider the Atkins rules for staying on Induction. One of them is the question whether it's still working. For your wife it is not. According to the Atkins plan she should now increase her carb count and find her CCLL. Less is not better. Plenty of people over the years have posted about stalling because they insisted on cutting carbs rather than increasing them. Few take the advice to increase but it does work. > She is very frustrated because I did > not have to work to hard to loose my weight and now I just stay under 100 [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > your body to switch from burning carbs to burning fat? Any suggestions will > be appreciated as I really want her to succeed. That's the ticket. Pick some reasonable calorie guideline to get her out of total-calorie starvation mode, and start moving up th ecarb ladder to get out of leptin/thyriodT3 carb starvation mode. > That's the ticket. Pick some reasonable calorie guideline to > get her out of total-calorie starvation mode I see the "Doug Freyburger School of PseudoScience" is in session again. Pinhead. Carmen SignaturePlease note change in Reply To address carmensrt <at> gmail <dot> com Hotmail isn't working and is being abandoned First off, it hasn't been that long...only 4 weeks of no loss since losing 10 lbs. Secondly, while you didn't say anything about your relative sizes, it is likely that she is much smaller than you, so her slower rate of loss is to be expected. Now....you might have her try a zig zag. Have her keep dieting as she is now until the weekend. Have her eat nornal LC in the morning and mid day, then have her eat a carby goodly sized meal for dinner. The trick here is to pig out or anything even close to that, but try to bring calories up to where she would even if trying to maintain her weight. Then see what happens the next day. For me, I'll see some weight loss, rather than a water weight gain. Keep the workouts going, too. > Hi. > I started low carb about six months ago and very easily lost 30 lb in [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > suggestions will be appreciated as I really want her to succeed. > Jerry Hello, > Hi. > I started low carb about six months ago and very easily lost 30 lb [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > be appreciated as I really want her to succeed. > Jerry Jerry, it's a lot more likely that your wife is making mistakes, either honest ones or she's cheating behind your back. You haven't said how tall she is or what she weighs, but she'd have to be *very* tiny for that calorie level to result in no weight loss for a month. Have a talk with her. She may not want to do low-carbing and instead of just flat-out saying "No" is instead going through this elaborate farce so she'll have an excuse to quit. Why waste time? Take care, Carmen SignaturePlease note change in Reply To address carmensrt <at> gmail <dot> com Hotmail isn't working and is being abandoned > Hello, > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > of just flat-out saying "No" is instead going through this elaborate > farce so she'll have an excuse to quit. Why waste time? A ketostick should easily determine whether the wife is cheating and eating carbs behind his back. I would bet a small sum that that is in fact the case. Signature223/173.1/180 I'm 100 % sure she is not cheating or eating any low carb bars. I do. What is ketostck? > > Hello, > > [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > -- > 223/173.1/180 Hi, ** Jerry's wife isn't losing weight - she lost 10 in Week 1 and nothing for the next 4 weeks. ** Carmen suggests she's either making mistakes or deliberately messing up. ** Ig bets she's cheating and said a ketostick check would settle it. > I'm 100 % sure she is not cheating or eating any low carb bars. > I do. > What is ketostck? A ketostick is just a stick that turns colors if there's ketones in your urine. Jerry, she could be just doing a poor job of tracking her eating. Is she weighing and measuring and assiduously recording everything she eats or is she guesstimating? Take care, Carmen SignaturePlease note change in Reply To address carmensrt <at> gmail <dot> com Hotmail isn't working and is being abandoned No. she is eating like a bird. That's why I posted this message. Jerry > Hi, > ** Jerry's wife isn't losing weight - she lost 10 in Week 1 and [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Please note change in Reply To address carmensrt <at> gmail <dot> com > Hotmail isn't working and is being abandoned > No. she is eating like a bird. That's why I posted this message. And she's been doing this for 4 weeks, with exercise? How much does she weigh? > Jerry >> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >> Please note change in Reply To address carmensrt <at> gmail <dot> com >> Hotmail isn't working and is being abandoned 160 lb. > > No. she is eating like a bird. That's why I posted this message. > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > >> Please note change in Reply To address carmensrt <at> gmail <dot> com > >> Hotmail isn't working and is being abandoned > 160 lb. Let's see here: 1600/160 = 10x 1200/160 = 7.5x 1000/160 = 6.25x 900/160=5.6x If she has slow metabolism, she might find it hard to lose quickly at 10x...and may need to stay around 6x to 7x...so being strict is a good idea as is getting daily exercise. Also, I'd suggest she keep her carb level as high as possible and no lower than that needed to keep appetite under control. Carbs don't control weight loss, calories down. (Carbs do have to do with appetite and water retention on a LC woe. Too many carbs and she add temporary water weight, in many cases) If she goes to 6x or 7x, I'd suggest she regularly have days where she eats at 10 to 12x....say every saturday or sunday...but only one day a week. If she can reallly stay at 6.25x for a week and exercise, there should be some lost there. Of course, woman have to deal with TOM issues. Also, too much salt could cause water retention which could mask scale loss. You should start doing body measurements asap if you haven't. >> > No. she is eating like a bird. That's why I posted this message. >> [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >> >> Please note change in Reply To address carmensrt <at> gmail <dot> >> >> com Hotmail isn't working and is being abandoned > I'm 100 % sure she is not cheating or eating any low carb bars. > I do. > What is ketostck? these are paper sticks that you pee on, if they trn purple, you are in ketosis. Sold at drug stores. I never used one, but want to try one day to see whether I am in ketosis now or not. i >> > Hello, >> > [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] >> eating carbs behind his back. I would bet a small sum that that is in >> fact the case. Signature223/173.1/180 Do prisoners in a concentration camp gain weight when they're fed too little? SignatureYou take stupid to a new level. -- MFW > Hi. > I started low carb about six months ago and very easily lost 30 lb in [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > be appreciated as I really want her to succeed. > Jerry > Hi. > I started low carb about six months ago and very easily lost 30 lb in first [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > change. She even lowered her calories and carb count to about 900 cal and 20 > gr of carbs per day and still nothing. $$ I lost at the same amount of calories and gms of carbs but the side effects were horrendous. If she starts to experience heart palpitations she must stop! Make sure she's taking a good vitamin-mineral supplement as well. She is very frustrated because I did > not have to work to hard to loose my weight and now I just stay under 100 > carbs per day and don't watch calories and fat at all. We go to the gym > several times a week so it is not lack of exercise. I guess some people have > harder time with this then others. $$ They do! But most people want to believe it works for everyone - it doesn't! My question is : Is it possible she does > not eat enough? $$ No one ever lost weight by eating MORE. At some point she will start to burn FAT, the more active she is the faster that will happen. When they told me to eat more to lose weight I GAINED!!!! Maybe you need to eat certain number of calories per day for > your body to switch from burning carbs to burning fat? Any suggestions will > be appreciated as I really want her to succeed. > Jerry $$ One size does not fit all Jerry. What works for one person can fail miserably for another. Where I could not lose weight strict LCing at 1200 calories a day, I can when I consume more carbs and LESS FAT as I'm doing now on Weight Watcher. SignatureWysong Age 60. Height 5'6" Starting date: 1/8/05 171/ 166 / 140 lb ========================================== > Hi. > I started low carb about six months ago and very easily lost 30 lb in first [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > be appreciated as I really want her to succeed. > Jerry I don't know what kind of food you and your wife are consuming. Are they ready packed meals? Sometimes I wonder if the calories count in those food are actually what they says on the packaging. There was a while where was eating the supermarket's own brand of sausages all the time and I got the impression that the calories count printed on the package is actually lower than what it really is. It seems like that you'll normally get more accurate measures of calories consumed if you prepare your food from scratch, using the USDA database to estimate the calories count. Go back to "Acceptable Foods" in Induction period. If you are not sure of the Carb count in any food, don't eat it. 4 legs animal meats and bird meats are Carb free for sure. Last, make sure you have healthy kidney and liver. =>jjj wrote: =>> Hi. =>> I started low carb about six months ago and very easily lost 30 lb in first =>> month and even thou this was my goal I lost another 10 lb since then. My =>> wife on the other hand is having very hard time with it. She lost 10 lb in =>> first week (I know it is water) but this is her fifth week and there is no =>> change. She even lowered her calories and carb count to about 900 cal and 20 =>> gr of carbs per day and still nothing. She is very frustrated because I did =>> not have to work to hard to loose my weight and now I just stay under 100 =>> carbs per day and don't watch calories and fat at all. We go to the gym =>> several times a week so it is not lack of exercise. I guess some people have =>> harder time with this then others. My question is : Is it possible she does =>> not eat enough? Maybe you need to eat certain number of calories per day for =>> your body to switch from burning carbs to burning fat? Any suggestions will =>> be appreciated as I really want her to succeed. =>> Jerry =>> => =>I don't know what kind of food you and your wife are consuming. Are they ready =>packed meals? Sometimes I wonder if the calories count in those food are =>actually what they says on the packaging. There was a while where was eating =>the supermarket's own brand of sausages all the time and I got the impression =>that the calories count printed on the package is actually lower than what it =>really is. It seems like that you'll normally get more accurate measures of =>calories consumed if you prepare your food from scratch, using the USDA database =>to estimate the calories count. > If you are not sure of the Carb count in any food, don't eat it. > 4 legs animal meats and bird meats are Carb free for sure. I'm sure TWO-legged animals are carb-free, too, but the specialty stores for THOSE meats are hard to find (not to mention illegal) and the cost is probably prohibitive :-) SignatureSaffire 205/144/125 - 5'1.5" Atkins since 6/14/03 Progress photo: http://photos.yahoo.com/saffire333 |
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