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Lilith79 - 03 Feb 2005 21:51 GMT
Just curious on some thoughts about this.  Dh and I have both discovered
that 'cheating' on Atkins actually leads to more weight loss, no gain,
and remaining in ketosis.  Dh cheated a week ago and had 2 double
cheeseburgers from McD's w/ the bun and all.  He also cheated 2 weeks
ago and had 1.5 coney dogs, bun and all.  Both times he lost 3 lbs 2
days later, didn't gain at all.

I cheated a few days ago, I had a piece of Texas Toast.  I wasn't
feeling well, I think I have walking pneumonia, and it was there and
tasty.  Anyhow, I didn't gain from it, didn't go out of ketosis, and I
lost 3 lbs 2 days later.

We're buying a copy of CAD and going to read it, possibly try it.  Is it
possible that CAD would work better for us?  I like the principles of
Atkins, and it works pretty well. But if 'cheating' causes weight loss
when I've been stalling a ton, why shouldn't we try CAD?  Has anyone
else switched midway?

Thanks!

-Michelle
Re-started Atkins 1/4/05 (quit 3/01 due to pregnancy)
292/280/175
Ignoramus6607 - 03 Feb 2005 22:03 GMT
> Just curious on some thoughts about this.  Dh and I have both discovered
> that 'cheating' on Atkins actually leads to more weight loss, no gain,
> and remaining in ketosis.  Dh cheated a week ago and had 2 double
> cheeseburgers from McD's w/ the bun and all.  He also cheated 2 weeks
> ago and had 1.5 coney dogs, bun and all.  Both times he lost 3 lbs 2
> days later, didn't gain at all.

That's actually good news, as far as what it says about your (or your
husband's) metabolism. That means you can handle moderate quantities
of carbs.

The bigger and fatter you are, the more is the carbohydrate allowance
at which you would still be losing. So, at your 280 lbs, it is quite
possible that you can be losing on 100 grams of carbs or even more.

A smaller person with less to lose may find it hard to lose while
eating much less carbs than you do.

What this may is telling you -- IF IT WORKS IN THE LONGER TERM -- is
that you can lose while eating more substantial quantity of carbs than
you expected. You may need to adjust this downward as you lose more
and get closer to a goal.

You still have not proven that your departures work in the medium
term, so, possibly you are seeing random fluctuations and are making
improper conclusions.

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Cubit - 03 Feb 2005 22:19 GMT
You are looking at short term weight changes and drawing conclusions about
loss of fat.  Fat loss is slow and can only be measured across weeks of
weight data.

Carbs in the diet may increase appetite.  Increased appetite leads to
increase calories.  Increased calories manifests weight gain, or reduced
weightloss, but SLOWLY.

Carbs eaten today may change your results three or four weeks from now,
relative to what they would have been.

People look for justifications for cheating.  I think this is what you and
your husband are doing.
Crafting Mom - 03 Feb 2005 23:26 GMT
I think CAD/CALP is fairly sensible.  It keeps you low carb most of the
time, and followed sensibly, it works.  You can eat a serving of
carbohydrate, but it must be in balance within the rest of the meal being
very low carb.  And you must finish the meal within an hour.  This is
because you are beating the time it takes for the insulin release, and to
prevent grazing.

A lot of people think the 1 hour is a window to gorge on carbs (or gorge,
period), it's not.  You either want to work with your insulin or you don't
so it's as sensible as you make it.  There are also a LOT of relatively
low-carb items (avocados, nuts, etc) that are not on the "regular meals"
list, that can be included in the meal that allows carbs, and still keep
it LOW carb overall.   The diet works as well as you make it.

I went from 250(255-ish I think) to 180 in 2 years staying on that plan.
I'm back on now because it's the only one that realistically (for me)
addressed a variety of needs.  I can just have a small serving of whatever
carb, at that one meal, without having to chase down fakes.  
Jim Bard - 04 Feb 2005 04:22 GMT
Every human body is different.  What works for one might not work for
another, but I'm happy that you have found a key to weight control.  Keep on
with your plan!
Roger Zoul - 04 Feb 2005 14:47 GMT
:: Every human body is different.  What works for one might not work for
:: another, but I'm happy that you have found a key to weight control.
:: Keep on with your plan!

So you're suggest they not switch to CAD, right?
Roger Zoul - 04 Feb 2005 14:47 GMT
My opinion is that you should just keep doing what you're doing. As long as
you're getting results, who cares what the plan is? Success speaks for
itself.

Now, you will have to be honest with yourselves.  Otherwise you'll end up
finding more excuses to go off-plan and you'll stop making progress.
Sometimes it maybe better to NOT go off-plan on a certain day -- simply
because it's a certain day.  If you've been eating more food than normal for
a week, then you'd be foolish to eat some carbs thinking you're going to see
weight loss.  The reason you saw those drops is BECAUSE of hard work you HAD
done previously when you weren't seeing scale changes. When sudden changes
in the scale occur, you didn't lose the weight then, or the day before. It
was lost in the time period before when changes in the scale weren't
happenning.

You're asking of CAD will work better.  Better than what?  You've given no
info in this post to suggest you've been stalling a lot, either.  Expecting
to drop weight steadily without hard work is unrealistic and no plan is
going to guarantee that.  IMO, switching plans for the reasons you give here
is likely to end you up being a frustrated dieter. Thinking CAD will work
better is silly when you have something that is working for you.  You have
no basis for thinking CAD will work better. Some authors even acknowledge
that it generally brings about slower weight loss than Atkins, BTW.

You guys should decide to have some days where you increase carbs slightly,
but without having some kind of pigout day.  And please stop using the word
"cheated".  Who exactly got cheated?

:: Just curious on some thoughts about this.  Dh and I have both
:: discovered that 'cheating' on Atkins actually leads to more weight
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:: Re-started Atkins 1/4/05 (quit 3/01 due to pregnancy)
:: 292/280/175
Glassman - 04 Feb 2005 23:34 GMT
> Just curious on some thoughts about this.  Dh and I have both discovered
> that 'cheating' on Atkins actually leads to more weight loss, no gain,
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> Re-started Atkins 1/4/05 (quit 3/01 due to pregnancy)
> 292/280/175

 Who can say? In reality you'll never know if you would have had the same,
or even better results had you not cheated.  That one bit of carbs doesn't
amount to a blip on the screen in the scheme of things anyway.

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jaime - 05 Feb 2005 11:23 GMT
>We're buying a copy of CAD and going to read it, possibly try it.  Is it
>possible that CAD would work better for us?

You can always try it for 1 month and find out.

> I like the principles of
>Atkins, and it works pretty well. But if 'cheating' causes weight loss
>when I've been stalling a ton, why shouldn't we try CAD?  Has anyone
>else switched midway?

I have switched over from Atkins to Body For Life. While it is not a
low carb plan, I keep 2 of my 6 daily meals low carb and I have lost 9
pounds in 1 week (Week 1: Jan 30 to February 5).
It is probably just water weight but I will take what I can.  :-)

If BFL stops working for me I am heading to Weightwatchers
to try out thier program.

**************************************
I'm *not* a bad person. I simply made the
mistake of getting involved with a *jack*ss*.
Is it ironic that he lives on a farm?
**************************************
Wysong *~ - 05 Feb 2005 21:31 GMT
> If BFL stops working for me I am heading to Weightwatchers
> to try out thier program.
========================
If you can stick with and practice "portion control" it should work for you.
Added exercise would speed things up as you already know.  WW now has a low
carb plan (or did as of 7/03).  But do journal every bite and drink of non
water each day.  Keep a measuring cup, spoons and small scale at hand.  I
can't wait to sink my teeth into those shrimp, crab legs, Chinese string
beans and rice noodles tonight (restaurants allow you to bring and use
measuring cups).  I will also have a tiny scoop of their Purity vanilla
ice-cream.
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Starting date: 1/8/05
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jaime - 06 Feb 2005 03:08 GMT
>If you can stick with and practice "portion control" it should work for you.

I'm finding portion control very easy to manage on this WOE.

>Added exercise would speed things up as you already know.

Yes I am sure to get 20 to 30 minutes of walking a day and then I have
other days where I also add weight training.

>  But do journal every bite and drink of non
>water each day.

I journal *everything* I eat or drink....even water intake.

> Keep a measuring cup, spoons and small scale at hand.

They are right on my kitchen counter.  :-) I should post a URL to a
photo of my little set up on the counter. LOL.

> I
>can't wait to sink my teeth into those shrimp, crab legs, Chinese string
>beans and rice noodles tonight (restaurants allow you to bring and use
>measuring cups).  I will also have a tiny scoop of their Purity vanilla
>ice-cream.

When I go to The Mandarin I have 1 scoop of thier sugar free coffee
ice cream for dessert.  We (my 2 boys and I) go there every Halloween
for my oldest son's birthday dinner. It is a family tradition since we
moved to Hamilton in 1994.

**************************************
I'm *not* a bad person. I simply made the
mistake of getting involved with a *jack*ss*.
Is it a coincidence that he lives on a farm?
**************************************
Xtile - 06 Feb 2005 22:45 GMT
> X-No-Archive: yes
>
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> measuring cups).  I will also have a tiny scoop of their Purity vanilla
> ice-cream.

restaurants may allow it but it doesn't mean they like it.
 
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