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Weight Loss Forum / Low Carb / February 2005Dreamfields Pasta
Aloha from Hawaii, Has anyone tried this pasta? It is so good and says it only has 5 grams of digestible carbs. I am just really suprised because it tastes 100 times better than any other low carb pasta I have tasted. This will make low carb eating a lot easier. Is it too good to be true? Please respond. Kerry :) I eat it couple times a week now and it seems to be OK. Jerry > Aloha from Hawaii, > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Kerry :) It's great stuff! I've been using it once or twice a week since July/04 and it hasn't caused any problems for me. There have been posts here from some people with type 2 diabetes having problems, and posts from others who had no problems, but I'm not diabetic. >Aloha from Hawaii, > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >make low carb eating a lot easier. Is it too good to be true? Please >respond. ----- Bev I can't tell the difference at all between 'real' pasta and Dreamfields. You will love it. Pasta is not low carb.  SignatureYou take stupid to a new level. -- MFW > Aloha from Hawaii, > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Kerry :) > Pasta is not low carb. I see you are still using your limited brain power to recite the same old crappy lame-a.s one liners. What a F@*k-face! I'm a bicyclist, but no matter how fast I peddle, I can't get away from myself! Ask me to list my faults so YOU can insult ME. Please be more clever than me when you do it. >> Pasta is not low carb. > >I see you are still using your limited brain power to recite the same >old crappy lame-a.s one liners. What a F@*k-face! > Aloha from Hawaii, > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Kerry :) It's fine for some folks, and as bad or even worse than regular pasta for others. Diabetics like me, who use our meters to test its effects on blood glucose often find that there's a delayed rise in blood glucose, and that the spike lasts longer than it would with regular pasta. Some folks have no such problem. YMMV. It has as many carbs as regular pasta; some folks digest all of them, some don't, so yes, it's too good to be completely true, but a nice treat for those who can tolerate it. The company warns that overcooking (I cook it only about 6 or 7 minutes at most) negates the benefits. Some folks have found that lefovers of it or that used in salads, etc. raise BG just like regular pasat, too. Susan I emailed the company to specifically ask about this supposed problem with overcooking. They replied that no one at Dreamfields said that and that overcooking will not do anything to make the pasta higher in carbs. >The company warns that overcooking (I cook it only about 6 or 7 minutes >at most) negates the benefits. Some folks have found that lefovers of >it or that used in salads, etc. raise BG just like regular pasat, too. ----- Bev > I emailed the company to specifically ask about this supposed problem with > overcooking. They replied that no one at Dreamfields said that and that > overcooking will not do anything to make the pasta higher in carbs. I have a copy of their email to me with headers. They sure did say that the *results were dependent upon cooking time*, see their reply to me about their *clinical validation*. In another correspondence, I told them that many diabetics found a late and long BG rise, and they denied any knowledge of that. I doubt they'd be eager to test anyone's BG after the two hour mark, for obvious reasons. I never said cooking it too long *increased* the carbs, the number remains the same, it's the digestibility that changes. Here's what they sent me, with headers; the emphases are mine: Return-Path: <info@dreamfieldsfoods.com> Received: from rly-yh03.mx.aol.com (rly-yh03.mail.aol.com [172.18.180.67]) by air-yh01.mail.aol.com (v99_r4.3) with ESMTP id MAILINYH12-2b740a3873a3d9; Thu, 13 May 2004 10:33:42 -0400 Received: from web107.biz.mail.yahoo.com (web107.biz.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.209]) by rly-yh03.mx.aol.com (v98.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINYH35-2b740a3873a3d9; Thu, 13 May 2004 10:33:31 -0400 Message-ID: <20040513143330.28774.qmail@web107.biz.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.40.187.3] by web107.biz.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 13 May 2004 07:33:30 PDT Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 07:33:30 -0700 (PDT) From: info <info@dreamfieldsfoods.com> Subject: Dreamfields To: sufein@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 216.136.174.209 X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:XXX:XX X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 Hi Susan and thanks for your interest in Dreamfields products. Cooking time is important with any pasta to achieve the best taste and texture, cooking longer than shown on the package is not recommended. ****Our clinical validation applies to the preparation methods indicated on the package.*** ***When the product is prepared as shown on the package, the non-digestibility does not change over time.*** I hope this answers your questions and again, thanks for inquiring about Dreamfields. End quote. Susan Unfortunately, I didn't keep the reply I got from them but they specifically said that it did not change the amount of digestible carbs. Since getting their reply, I ALWAYS overcook their pasta because even their suggested upper limit of 12 minutes is not enough for me. And I also generally make enough to have leftovers that I can eat a few days later. I have been doing this once or twice a week since July. Their pastas have never presented any problems for me. I can only report on my own experiences with their products which are obviously different from yours. :-) >I have a copy of their email to me with headers. They sure did say that >the *results were dependent upon cooking time*, see their reply to me ----- Bev I found the email reply I received from them and it only said that overcooking didn't affect the carbs, not the digestible carbs. I've sent them another email asking them to clarify this. I'll post the reply when I receive it. >Unfortunately, I didn't keep the reply I got from them but they >specifically said that it did not change the amount of digestible carbs. ----- Bev > Unfortunately, I didn't keep the reply I got from them but they > specifically said that it did not change the amount of digestible carbs. > Since getting their reply, I guess the folks at Dreamfields aren't to be relied upon for accurate information, or for honesty? I kept that email for a reason. I ALWAYS overcook their pasta because even their > suggested upper limit of 12 minutes is not enough for me. I find this astounding; it's mushy as all heck at 9 minutes. Bleah. Boiled for 5 and then baked with cheese, it was completely flaccid. And I also > generally make enough to have leftovers that I can eat a few days later. I > have been doing this once or twice a week since July. Their pastas have > never presented any problems for me. > I can only report on my own experiences with their products which are > obviously different from yours. :-) As long as relying on your experiences doesn't extend to implying that Im a liar, I'm delighted for you. If you read my posts in this thread, you would have seen that I stated that some folks do just fine eating it, and others have worse results. Unless you're testing your blood glucose, you have no way of knowing exactly where you fall in the spectrum. If it isn't interfering with your diet, that's great, but diabetics have more to worry about, and the company is furnishing unfortunate assurances about the effect of their pasta on us. I have nothing against the product, just with their exaggerated claims and unreliabilty of their "clinical" claims. From your post, we now know that they lie to comsumers outright and don't keep track of what they've lied about. Susan >I find this astounding; it's mushy as all heck at 9 minutes. Bleah. >Boiled for 5 and then baked with cheese, it was completely flaccid. I live at a higher altitude where water boils at a lower temperature so it can take longer to cook anything that needs to rely on boiling water. That's why I emailed Dreamfields because I have to go by the texture of the pasta without relying on the package's suggested cooking times. I have to cook all their pastas, except the penne, 14 minutes just to get to al dente. I have to cook their penne for 17 minutes. >As long as relying on your experiences doesn't extend to implying that >Im a liar, I'm delighted for you. There was no implication to you being a liar meant in any way, Susan. I'm sorry if it came across that way. :-) ----- Bev > I live at a higher altitude where water boils at a lower temperature so it > can take longer to cook anything that needs to rely on boiling water. > That's why I emailed Dreamfields because I have to go by the texture of the > pasta without relying on the package's suggested cooking times. I have to > cook all their pastas, except the penne, 14 minutes just to get to al > dente. I have to cook their penne for 17 minutes. Whoa! Down here at sea level, it would disintegrate and just be library paste at 17 minutes! I agree that if you just cook it al dente, rather than according to package directions, you should be fine. One thing I've noticed is that even though my BG meter shows a late and longer than usual bg rise, I don't get the bloat and cravings from it that I did from regular pasta. If I didn't have a meter, I would've thought that meant it was okay for me. > There was no implication to you being a liar meant in any way, Susan. I'm > sorry if it came across that way. :-) > > ----- > Bev Thanks for clarifying that. :-) Susan I have the same experience as you with no bloat or hunger pangs a couple of hours later as I do when I have something, although LC, high glycemic like a small amount of maple sugar. And I have to admit, that's how I know that it's not a problem for me. Considering I eat it a few times a week and didn't have any delays during my weight loss (I'm in maintenance now), I figured that meant it was a ok, too. I noticed on their website that they talk a lot about the glycemic index. I wish I knew someone with a BG meter just to check on things like this. It might prove interesting. :-) >One thing I've noticed is that even though my BG meter shows a late and >longer than usual bg rise, I don't get the bloat and cravings from it >that I did from regular pasta. If I didn't have a meter, I would've >thought that meant it was okay for me. ----- Bev > I have the same experience as you with no bloat or hunger pangs a couple of > hours later as I do when I have something, although LC, high glycemic like [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I wish I knew someone with a BG meter just to check on things like this. > It might prove interesting. :-) I suspect the delayed and slow, longer lasting rise is behind the lack of bloat and cravings. Unfortunately, elevated BG over a certain level for a long period is not consistent with good health. I only know of diabetics who have a problem with this (most likely because we're the ones with the meters), but even many diabetics get satisfactory readings from it, as Jennifer reported she does. Susan That's why it would be interesting for me to check with a BG monitor. I think if I were getting a delayed spike like you do, I'd wake up with hunger pangs before breakfast and I never have after having the pasta for dinner. >I suspect the delayed and slow, longer lasting rise is behind the lack >of bloat and cravings. Unfortunately, elevated BG over a certain level [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >because we're the ones with the meters), but even many diabetics get >satisfactory readings from it, as Jennifer reported she does. ----- Bev > That's why it would be interesting for me to check with a BG monitor. I > think if I were getting a delayed spike like you do, I'd wake up with > hunger pangs before breakfast and I never have after having the pasta for > dinner. I can't say what would happen to you, I can only report that I felt fine after eating it, had no bloat and no cravings afterward. OTOH, I never felt hungry for breakfast, even at my most insulin resistant and high carb days. Definitely a YMMV thang. :-) Susan My reaction to a BG spike is hunger pangs. Even if I keep the net carbs down, when the food is high glycemic I'm very hungry within a couple of hours. Otherwise, I never experience hunger pangs at all since going LC. That's sort of my BG monitor, I guess. :-) >I can't say what would happen to you, I can only report that I felt fine > after eating it, had no bloat and no cravings afterward. OTOH, I >never felt hungry for breakfast, even at my most insulin resistant and >high carb days. Definitely a YMMV thang. :-) ----- Bev > Aloha from Hawaii, > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Kerry :) It varies. Google it up and you'll find a lot of reports of delayed, long lasting blood glucose spikes. Susan > Aloha from Hawaii, > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > make low carb eating a lot easier. Is it too good to be true? Please > respond. It raised my blood sugar as high as the regular stuff does and it stayed up longer, it just waited 3 hours before it started going up. It may depend on a person's individual chemistry or whatever. SignatureNo Husband Has Ever Been Shot While Doing The Dishes "It raised my blood sugar as high as the regular stuff does and it stayed up longer, it just waited 3 hours before it started going up. It may depend on a person's individual chemistry or whatever. " Were you careful not to over cook it? As I understand it, if cooked too long, the miracle binding agent that's supposed to prevent the carbs from being digested comes undone. > "It raised my blood sugar as high as the regular stuff does and it > stayed up [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > too long, the miracle binding agent that's supposed to prevent the > carbs from being digested comes undone. Wouldn't it have gone up immediately if I cooked it too long. I didn't, btw. SignatureNo Husband Has Ever Been Shot While Doing The Dishes > Were you careful not to over cook it? As I understand it, if cooked > too long, the miracle binding agent that's supposed to prevent the > carbs from being digested comes undone. I undercook it, and it does the same thing to me, and others, anecdotally. Susan > "It raised my blood sugar as high as the regular stuff does and it > stayed up [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > too long, the miracle binding agent that's supposed to prevent the > carbs from being digested comes undone. I have a theory that whatever they do to it works for about half the diabetic population, who are the only people with easy feedback on immediate results. I have no idea if that translates to non-diabetics. I suspect it's the same kind of figure as for people who can cope with sugar alcohols, which I understand is due to the presence or absence of an enzyme to digest them fully. The populations aren't the same, from my sample population of one - I can eat Dreamfields quite happily, but get dire results from the ols! : ) Nicky. SignatureA1c 10.5/4.5/<6 Weight 95/78/72Kg 1g Metformin, 87.5ug Thyroxine T2 DX 05/2004 Your theory makes sense to me. I also have no problems with Dreamfields but get terrible gas from even small amounts of all SA's except erythritol. So you can add me to your 'sample population'. :-) on Fri, 4 Feb 2005 22:48:30 -0000, "Nicky" <ukc802466929@btconnect.com> wrote: >I have a theory that whatever they do to it works for about half the >diabetic population, who are the only people with easy feedback on immediate [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >one - I can eat Dreamfields quite happily, but get dire results from the >ols! : ) ----- Bev And yet... I eat it a few times a week. Had a 1/2 c pre cooked last night. My BGs were 124 at 2 hours and 97 by bed time 3 hours after that. So, the usual YMMV. Jennifer >>Aloha from Hawaii, >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > longer, it just waited 3 hours before it started going up. It may depend > on a person's individual chemistry or whatever. > Aloha from Hawaii, > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Kerry :) I had it one time pre-LC but never felt full so I figured it was a bad sign. It did taste great but I'm to scared to eat it at this point. I would be willing to use it if I HAD to have pasta... It has to be better then a full cheat right? All you can do is give it a try and see how your body responds. Like I said as far as taste goes I thought it was good. Angie >Has anyone tried this pasta? It is so good and says it only has 5 >grams of digestible carbs. I am just really suprised because it tastes >100 times better than any other low carb pasta I have tasted. This will >make low carb eating a lot easier. Is it too good to be true? Please >respond. It tastes great. I have to go by faith that the carbs are what they claim. I lost weight while having it for supper from time to time but as with every one of my favorite foods, portion control is difficult to stick to. I found that making it one serving at a time is best for me. Steve >>Has anyone tried this pasta? It is so good and says it only has 5 >>grams of digestible carbs. I am just really suprised because it tastes [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Steve Due to this thread, I went looking and found it at my local Stater Bros. supermarket alongside all the other spaghetti brands.. All four pasta forms were offered for US$2.79 a pound. I tried it out last night and tonight. Very good. Like Steve I only cook one portion at a time to save myself from myself. http://www.dreamfieldsfoods.com/email_support/ppc_diet.htm?OVRAW=dreamfields% or Google for "Dreamfields pasta" to get a company coupon for 55 cents off on any store purchase. Set printer for several copies for the site will only give you one coupon. Bob in 92026 or Google for Dreamfields pasta20pasta&OVKEY=dreamfields%20pasta&OVMTC=standard Pasta is not low carb. SignatureMost people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW >>>Has anyone tried this pasta? It is so good and says it only has 5 >>>grams of digestible carbs. I am just really suprised because it tastes [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > or Google for Dreamfields > pasta20pasta&OVKEY=dreamfields%20pasta&OVMTC=standard > Pasta is not low carb and toilet tissue is high in fiber. Bob, Once you have printed out copies, you can simply forward the page to yourself and it will show up in your mail box. Then you can print it out again. Barbara > > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > |
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