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Weight Loss Forum / Low Carb / February 2005PING: Wysong
It's nice to see you posting again. I was thinking about you just the other day, wondering how you were getting on. Did you ever find anything that kick-started your weight loss? Or are you like me, still getting absolutely nowhere?  SignatureMogget, the Churl in the Puce Greatcoat elephant/hippo/gazelle If you're getting nowhere, try eating less and exercising more. SignatureYou take stupid to a new level. -- MFW > It's nice to see you posting again. I was thinking about you just the > other day, wondering how you were getting on. > > Did you ever find anything that kick-started your weight loss? Or are you > like me, still getting absolutely nowhere? >If you're getting nowhere, try eating less and exercising more. Hot damn. Why didn't I think of that? SignatureMogget, the Churl in the Puce Greatcoat Ok, why didn't you? SignatureYou take stupid to a new level. -- MFW >>If you're getting nowhere, try eating less and exercising more. > > Hot damn. Why didn't I think of that? >Ok, why didn't you? <sigh> There are so many answers to that one that I've decided to play it straight. I have done. Quite a lot. Sometimes as a result of illness. Sometimes as a deliberate thing. Sometimes I lose so much that I am actually slim again. Always but always my health is damaged thereby. At this stage, my health is my priority. Something is majorly screwed up. On top of CFS and T2 diabetes, I appear to have Cushing's Syndrome, which is one of those arsewipe endocrinological conditions where you might as well send yourself to the glue factory. If I felt well but remained overweight, I would <shrug> and accept it. If I lost all the weight I need to, but remained ill, that would not be ok. However, at this point, where I am ill, and so fat I'm waddling around in clothes made by Omar the Tentmaker, I am fairly desperate. I feel so ill I could die. If I don't get this weight off, I will. I'm only 35. I feel old. So. Got any ideas for me? Don't be shy. You might be the one who makes the suggestion that helps me turn this around. SignatureMogget, the Churl in the Puce Greatcoat > So. Got any ideas for me? Don't be shy. You might be the one who makes > the suggestion that helps me turn this around. Mogget, what's your exercise routine like? I've gone from a size 26 to a 14 by LC-ing, walking for an hour a day, and weightlifting. I'm a huge fan of weightlifting now, because it a) allows your muscles to suck glucose out of your bloodstream whatever your IR level, and continues to do so for some time after you've stopped, and b) generally increases your metabolism. From your POV, with a small sprog, it also has the advantage that it can be picked up and put down at odd moments during the day, when Madam is asleep - if she's too old to go in a pushchair, a couple of 30-min walks will be a right pain! Any walking is better than none, though. I'm consciously trying to be more active, and stopping myself from working out the most efficient way to move about - some days, I walk a couple of miles just puttering around the house! Nicky. SignatureA1c 10.5/4.5/<6 Weight 95/78/72Kg 1g Metformin, 87.5ug Thyroxine T2 DX 05/2004 Why do you never mention exercise? SignatureEat less, exercise more. -- MFW -- >>Ok, why didn't you? > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > So. Got any ideas for me? Don't be shy. You might be the one who makes > the suggestion that helps me turn this around. >Why do you never mention exercise? Well, one doesn't like to brag. SignatureMogget, the Churl in the Puce Greatcoat And you don't think that exercise plays a part in your situation? SignatureEat less, exercise more. -- MFW -- >>Why do you never mention exercise? > > Well, one doesn't like to brag. > If you're getting nowhere, try eating less and exercising more. More one-liners by JC for your NG viewing. SignatureBunky http://www.freewebs.com/warpig-cgs-/websalbum.htm > It's nice to see you posting again. I was thinking about you just the > other day, wondering how you were getting on. > > Did you ever find anything that kick-started your weight loss? Or are > you like me, still getting absolutely nowhere? =============== Hi Mogget. I was getting absolutely nowhere with strict low-carb after the 5th month. Nothing would kick-start it again. I maintained for 2 years and finally gave it up in disgust. My diet was so limited at that point I couldn't stand it anymore. I'm losing now on low-fat/low-carb Weight Watchers. :-) I'm loving all the variety as well. I was to the point that one more steak or slice of bacon would make me puke. Tonight I'm having baked fish, 1/2 cup of sweet peas and as much low-carb veggies I can comfortably consume (a mix of mushrooms, broccoli and zucchini/1 pat butter). If strict low-carb doesn't work for you you may think about a switch to another diet that may work. :o) I'm also walking 1 to 3 miles a day. I don't think I would be losing this quickly if I wasn't doing the walking. As for calories - I'm consuming about 1200 a day. SignatureWysong Age 60. Height 5'6" Starting date: 1/8/05 171/ 165 / 140 lb ========================================== > I'm losing now on low-fat/low-carb Weight >Watchers. :-) I'm loving all the variety as well. While I am not on WW (I've been doing BFL for a little over a week...it took that long to get used to the meals) I am enjoying the variety on BFL. > I was to the point >that one more steak or slice of bacon would make me puke. I still like steak (with the fat cut off) but no longer go near bacon because of all the saturated fat it contains. My heart doesn't need that. > Tonight I'm >having baked fish, 1/2 cup of sweet peas and as much low-carb veggies I can >comfortably consume (a mix of mushrooms, broccoli and zucchini/1 pat >butter). Sounds good. I'm having that amount of green peas tonight with my dinner but am swapping the butter with a couple of teaspoons of olive oil. Might have fish...not sure yet. If I can get a couple precooked chickens the local store has on sale this weekend, I might buy a couple of those and have a portion of chicken with my peas and non-starchy veggies. > If strict low-carb doesn't work for you you may think about a >switch to another diet that may work. :o) I'm also walking 1 to 3 miles a >day. I don't think I would be losing this quickly if I wasn't doing the >walking. As for calories - I'm consuming about 1200 a day. Have you ever tried weight lifting? It is hard at first to get my muscles going (due to the slight paralysis in the left side of my body from my heart attack) but I am *loving* it once I get everything warmed up. ************************************** I'm *not* a bad person. I simply made the mistake of getting involved with a *jack*ss*. Is it ironic that he lives on a farm? ************************************** > > I'm losing now on low-fat/low-carb Weight > >Watchers. :-) I'm loving all the variety as well. > While I am not on WW (I've been doing BFL for a little over a > week...it took that long to get used to the meals) I am enjoying the > variety on BFL. ## What is BFL? Had strict LC kept working for me - if I was even losing 1/2 lb a month I would have stayed on it. But after 24 months and NOTHING???!?!?!?!?! To it's credit I didn't gain anything either, even those months I was housebound with the broken leg and related problems. > > I was to the point > >that one more steak or slice of bacon would make me puke. > I still like steak (with the fat cut off) but no longer go near bacon > because of all the saturated fat it contains. My heart doesn't need > that. ## Mine didn't either, but look at the choices I had: beef, chicken, turkey and pork. Day after day after day... so bacon was a different "food" if you know what I mean. Instead of yet another chicken/string bean dish for lunch I would make some bacon or sausage. Taking the advice of others here I had given up all nuts, all cheeses, milk.... and still my weight stayed the same. > > Tonight I'm > >having baked fish, 1/2 cup of sweet peas and as much low-carb veggies I can > >comfortably consume (a mix of mushrooms, broccoli and zucchini/1 pat > >butter). > Sounds good. I'm having that amount of green peas tonight with my > dinner but am swapping the butter with a couple of teaspoons of olive [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > couple of those and have a portion of chicken with my peas and > non-starchy veggies. ## I love those chickens. :-))) We get them here at Wal-Mart in town. They're enough for 2 days and only $3.99 each. I have that with a small potato w/pat of butter and 3/4 cup spinach or other low-carb veggie and 1 slice of Merita low-carb bread. Delicious! Before bed I now have a piece of fruit. I missed fruit so much. > > If strict low-carb doesn't work for you you may think about a > >switch to another diet that may work. :o) I'm also walking 1 to 3 miles a > >day. I don't think I would be losing this quickly if I wasn't doing the > >walking. As for calories - I'm consuming about 1200 a day. > Have you ever tried weight lifting? ## I went to the gym and worked out on the machines - and hated every second I was there. I walk on my treadmill at last 6 days a week as I love to walk. It is hard at first to get my > muscles going (due to the slight paralysis in the left side of my body > from my heart attack) but I am *loving* it once I get everything > warmed up. ## That's great! I wish I enjoyed it - I don't. Plus the gym stunk like a locker-room and the blaring, ear shattering rock music drove me to distraction.... I would actually have a headache when I left there. Oh,... and I only lost 1 lb in those 6 months. :-( Walking and calorie restriction (portion control) seems to help get the weight off me faster than any other exercise. SignatureWysong Age 60. Height 5'6" Starting date: 1/8/05 171/ 165 / 140 lb ========================================== >## What is BFL? Body For life. >## Mine didn't either, but look at the choices I had: beef, chicken, turkey >and pork. Day after day after day... so bacon was a different "food" if you >know what I mean. Yes I understand what you mean. >## I love those chickens. :-))) We get them here at Wal-Mart in town. >They're enough for 2 days and only $3.99 each. That is a great price. I bought 2 of them today and my 20 year old son ate one before I even had the groceries put away. (He is 6'1 and weighs 160 pounds) > I have that with a small >potato w/pat of butter and 3/4 cup spinach or other low-carb veggie and 1 >slice of Merita low-carb bread. Delicious! Before bed I now have a piece >of fruit. I missed fruit so much. I know what you mean. I love it that I can have an apple a couple of times a day in a couple of my meals. >## I went to the gym and worked out on the machines - and hated every >second I was there. I walk on my treadmill at last 6 days a week as I love >to walk. I used to dislike the treadmills but they have tv's in front of each one now so I catch up on CNN for 30 minutes when I do the treadmill. >## That's great! I wish I enjoyed it - I don't. Plus the gym stunk like a >locker-room and the blaring, ear shattering rock music drove me to >distraction.... They don't allow that at the YMCA. The only loud noises you really hear is all the bodybuilders grunting and clanging weights. LOL!! > I would actually have a headache when I left there. Oh,... >and I only lost 1 lb in those 6 months. :-( >Walking and calorie restriction (portion control) seems to help get the >weight off me faster than any other exercise. Do you ever swim? It is my fav exercise. ************************************** I'm *not* a bad person. I simply made the mistake of getting involved with a *jack*ss*. Is it ironic that he lives on a farm? ************************************** > Do you ever swim? It is my fav exercise. ============ Yes. I love to swim but haven't in a long time, again because of the nasty smell at the gym and that heavy rock music. The chlorine in the water there was causing me some problems breathing and burned my eyes,... but I went in the pool for those months anyway. In summer I used to walk to the lake and swim, but that friend moved away and it's inadvisable to swim alone. The nearest YMCA is too far away. My husband will not swim at the lake although he knows how.... SignatureWysong Age 60. Height 5'6" Starting date: 1/8/05 171/ 165 / 140 lb ========================================== > X-No-Archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > nearest YMCA is too far away. My husband will not swim at the lake although > he knows how.... Why don't you two just get a room? I don't know why you think you can't eat fish on Atkins. I eat several kinds of fish, shrimp, scallops, even crab cakes occasionally. In news:Cb6dndG_rLuQpJjfRVn-pw@heartoftn.net, Wysong *~ <P@P> stated | ## Mine didn't either, but look at the choices I had: beef, chicken, | turkey and pork. Day after day after day... so bacon was a different | "food" if you know what I mean. Instead of yet another | chicken/string bean dish for lunch I would make some bacon or | sausage. Taking the advice of others here I had given up all nuts, | all cheeses, milk.... and still my weight stayed the same. >I don't know why you think you can't eat fish on Atkins. I eat several >kinds of fish, shrimp, scallops, even crab cakes occasionally. Maybe she doesn't like fish. Not many people do. ************************************** I'm *not* a bad person. I simply made the mistake of getting involved with a *jack*ss*. Is it a coincidence that he lives on a farm? ************************************** Here's what she said in her post after the section I quoted: || Tonight I'm || having baked fish, 1/2 cup of sweet peas and as much low-carb veggies I can || comfortably consume (a mix of mushrooms, broccoli and zucchini/1 pat || butter). And I don't know where you get the idea that not many people like fish, most of the people I know do like fish. In news:dqqa01hln6dtob7vfgs2nfbhqgq0lgpe9b@4ax.com, jaime <missjaime@canada.com> stated | Maybe she doesn't like fish. Not many people do. | [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] | Is it a coincidence that he lives on a farm? | ************************************** >Here's what she said in her post after the section I quoted: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >|| comfortably consume (a mix of mushrooms, broccoli and zucchini/1 pat >|| butter). I saw that much earlier today but had forgotten she said that. >And I don't know where you get the idea that not many people like fish, most >of the people I know do like fish. I happen to *love* fish and any seafood. So does my father. However, I have known (and know) many people who do not like fish at all unless it is battered and deep fried and some people I have known (and do know) do not even like it at all no matter how it is cooked. They *are* out there you know. ************************************** I'm *not* a bad person. I simply made the mistake of getting involved with a *jack*ss*. Is it a coincidence that he lives on a farm? ************************************** >>Here's what she said in her post after the section I quoted: >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > They *are* out there you know. There do seem to be a good number of people who say they don't like fish. I think it stems from ignorance -- not having anyone make good baked or broiled fish. >There do seem to be a good number of people who say they don't like fish. I >think it stems from ignorance -- not having anyone make good baked or >broiled fish. For some people it certainly does stem from ignorance. I've known people like that as well. With that said, I'm a pretty good cook and make fish a couple of times a week. My oldest son loves my cooking and will have a couple of servings of salmon or whatever type of fish or seafood chowder I am cooking. My youngest son, who is a really fussy eater btw but is coming around slowly, would rather not eat it but he will take a small portion and eat it (and verbally protest the whole time he has to eat those 3 or 4 bites of fish) because I refuse to make anything else extra for him after I have cooked lunch or dinner for us. Put battered fish in front of him....no *problem*. He will scarf it down so fast you would think he inhaled it. You should see the verbal battles those 2 boys get into because the older one cannot understand why the younger one is so darn fussy when it comes to food. ************************************** I'm *not* a bad person. I simply made the mistake of getting involved with a *jack*ss*. Is it a coincidence that he lives on a farm? ************************************** > There do seem to be a good number of people who say they don't like fish. > I think it stems from ignorance -- not having anyone make good baked or > broiled fish. And/or not knowing where to buy fresh fish. Much supermarket fish is on the smelly and unfresh side. Growing up, the only fish my mother ever prepared was swordfish, which is a strong-tasting fish in the first place, and it was less than fresh from the supermarket. I hated it and thought I hated fish. Signaturejamie (jamiemck@newsguy.com) "There's a seeker born every minute." >And/or not knowing where to buy fresh fish. Much supermarket fish is >on the smelly and unfresh side. That also depends on how fresh each individual store keeps thier fish. I know of one store around my area where they keep thier fish extremely fresh and then there are the others who do not. >Growing up, the only fish my mother ever prepared was swordfish, which >is a strong-tasting fish in the first place, and it was less than >fresh from the supermarket. I hated it and thought I hated fish. Even though I was raised by people who were born and raised in New Brunswick and I come from a long line of fishermen and I have a love of fish and seafood, I once tried shark but never liked that because it was so strong tasting. **************************************************** You, in the red uniform, go see what that noise is! **************************************************** >>And/or not knowing where to buy fresh fish. Much supermarket fish is >>on the smelly and unfresh side. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > You, in the red uniform, go see what that noise is! > **************************************************** I have tried seafood/fish on quite a few occasions and still do not like it. I am certainly not ignorant and even when people have had me try the fish they got (at a decent place) - I still didn't like it. I just do not like seafood and probably never will. I don't feel I am losing out on anything. Diane >I have tried seafood/fish on quite a few occasions and still do not like it. >I am certainly not ignorant and even when people have had me try the fish >they got (at a decent place) - I still didn't like it. I just do not like >seafood and probably never will. I don't feel I am losing out on anything. Not everyone likes fish. That doesn't make you a bad person. :-) **************************************************** You, in the red uniform, go see what that noise is! **************************************************** in my circles, i am the ONLY person i know who doesn't like fish........................it really is rather embarrassing! Signaturehttp://img195.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img195&image=dcp00330kx.jpg > Here's what she said in her post after the section I quoted: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > And I don't know where you get the idea that not many people like fish, most > of the people I know do like fish. =============== That's debatable. My husband's family wouldn't eat fish or seafood if anything else is available. They just don't care for it. About 1/2 my family wont eat fish or seafood either. Neither of my stepdaughters will eat it. SignatureWysong Age 60. Height 5'6" Starting date: 1/8/05 171/ 165 / 140 lb ========================================== > >I don't know why you think you can't eat fish on Atkins. I eat several > >kinds of fish, shrimp, scallops, even crab cakes occasionally. > > Maybe she doesn't like fish. Not many people do. ======================= I ate the cheaper fish Jaime. I like seafood such as scallops, crab and shrimp, but couldn't afford it as a regular part of my diet. My husband will not eat anything but baked or fried fish. SignatureWysong Age 60. Height 5'6" Starting date: 1/8/05 171/ 165 / 140 lb ========================================== >I ate the cheaper fish Jaime. I like seafood such as scallops, crab and >shrimp, but couldn't afford it as a regular part of my diet. My husband >will not eat anything but baked or fried fish. Sorry to hear it is expensive there. I'm pretty lucky to live in an area where there are 4 different grocery stores within a few minutes bus ride of me so I can pretty much pick and choose which store I am shopping in based on thier flyer sales. A little further away are the independent butchers and fish mongers. Even a few cheese shops. One store up the street from me has the cheapest prices around for fish and seafood. I visit there twice a week. ************************************** I'm *not* a bad person. I simply made the mistake of getting involved with a *jack*ss*. Is it a coincidence that he lives on a farm? ************************************** : Maybe she doesn't like fish. Not many people do. ROTFLMAO! (this is getting to be good exercise!) > I don't know why you think you can't eat fish on Atkins. I eat several > kinds of fish, shrimp, scallops, even crab cakes occasionally. ============= I did eat fish on strict Low-Carb. I just didn't list every single thing I ate. I also ate canned tuna once in awhile. I occasionally had chicken gizzards in butter sauce. I would bake turkey wings when I could find them. I had seafood only occasionally. It's extremely expensive here so was a treat, not a regular item on the menu. SignatureWysong Age 60. Height 5'6" Starting date: 1/8/05 171/ 165 / 140 lb ========================================== FYI, since we dump all our waste into water and ocean, try to eat fishes in lower food chain to avoid high does of various toxic chemicals and heavy metals. > FYI, since we dump all our waste into water and ocean, try to eat fishes in > lower food chain to avoid high does of various toxic chemicals and heavy > metals. ========================= Good advice. All we can afford are whiting and canned tuna. My husband is semi-retired. SignatureWysong Age 60. Height 5'6" Starting date: 1/8/05 171/ 165 / 140 lb ========================================== > ************************************** > I'm *not* a bad person. I simply made the > mistake of getting involved with a *jack*ss*. > Is it ironic that he lives on a farm? > ************************************** Jesus Christ, let go already! That or shut up about it. >Jesus Christ, let go already! That or shut up about it. Who are you? The sig police? I found that little line on the internet and found it amusing. ************************************** I'm *not* a bad person. I simply made the mistake of getting involved with a *jack*ss*. Is it ironic that he lives on a farm? ************************************** >> It's nice to see you posting again. I was thinking about you just the >> other day, wondering how you were getting on. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >finally gave it up in disgust. My diet was so limited at that point I >couldn't stand it anymore. I do so know what you mean there :-( >I'm losing now on low-fat/low-carb Weight >Watchers. :-) I'm loving all the variety as well. I was to the point >that one more steak or slice of bacon would make me puke. Ditto. The only thing I can summon up any enthusiasm for any more is vegetables. I try and try but I can't get any meat down any more. It makes me gag. I can eat fish without too much trouble, but I don't particularly enjoy it. I like Quorn chunks. I got the meat-aversion thing was I was pregnant & hoped it would go back to normal after I had my baby... two years later, it still hasn't. Is the low fat/low carb WW thing your own devising, or is it a plan provided by the WW people? If your own, would you mind awfully posting a summary please? LC worked so well for me for a long time; I felt well, more than happy with the food choices, and I loved the weight loss side effects. Now none of those are true. You are right that I should think of alternatives. LC clearly isn't working for me on any level. Trouble is, I'm diabetic, so it does have to be at least restricted carb/low GI. It just occurred to me that the one thing I haven't tried yet is a raw food diet. Hmmm. >Tonight I'm >having baked fish, 1/2 cup of sweet peas and as much low-carb veggies I can [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >day. I don't think I would be losing this quickly if I wasn't doing the >walking. As for calories - I'm consuming about 1200 a day. Fairly reasonable calorie count there. Do you feel hungry on it? Thanks v much for replying to my original post. I'm very glad that things are going relatively well for you. SignatureMogget, the Churl in the Puce Greatcoat > In message <KrqdnTqAM4f9bJ7fRVn-1Q@heartoftn.net>, Wysong *~ > >> Did you ever find anything that kick-started your weight loss? Or are [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >finally gave it up in disgust. My diet was so limited at that point I > >couldn't stand it anymore. > I do so know what you mean there :-( > >I'm losing now on low-fat/low-carb Weight > >Watchers. :-) I'm loving all the variety as well. I was to the point > >that one more steak or slice of bacon would make me puke. > Ditto. The only thing I can summon up any enthusiasm for any more is > vegetables. I try and try but I can't get any meat down any more. $$ OMG I know that feeling. Tonight I had a veg' medley in Chicken Bouillon for dinner. No meat at all. I'll have a piece of fruit before I go to bed and a cup of apple-spice tea w/Sweet & Low. The only carbs all afternoon will be those in the fruit. This morning I had a small banana, nothing else. Lunch was one of those Healthy Choice Frozen Diet dinners (320 calories). I aslso had 2 glasses of fat-free skim milk. It > makes me gag. I can eat fish without too much trouble, but I don't > particularly enjoy it. I like Quorn chunks. I got the meat-aversion > thing was I was pregnant & hoped it would go back to normal after I had > my baby... two years later, it still hasn't. $$ I fully understand. When I was pregnant (many moons ago) I couldn't stand the sight of pork in any form. Even the smell of a roast in the oven made me gag. It passed slowing after my baby was born. > Is the low fat/low carb WW thing your own devising, or is it a plan > provided by the WW people? If your own, would you mind awfully posting > a summary please? $$ It's based on the WW 1-2-3 Success Program. But instead of getting many points (calories) from carbs, I use my points on more protein foods. To sum it up - what it is is a low-fat/medium-carb/medium protein diet of about 1200 calories a day. > LC worked so well for me for a long time; I felt well, more than happy > with the food choices, and I loved the weight loss side effects. Now > none of those are true. $$ Did you just stall permanently as I did? I don't know how I managed to stick to it for wasted 2 years. After the first 6 months I should have tried something else. > You are right that I should think of alternatives. LC clearly isn't > working for me on any level. Trouble is, I'm diabetic, so it does have > to be at least restricted carb/low GI. $$ Then you have to do something else - like "cut the calories" across the board. Count calories for a few days to see how many you're consuming - then start cutting back. You may also need to exercise more as you probably already know. > It just occurred to me that the one thing I haven't tried yet is a raw > food diet. Hmmm. $$ I love veggies but most are not that good raw. Cooking doesn't add the calories - the butter or sour cream does. > >Tonight I'm > >having baked fish, 1/2 cup of sweet peas and as much low-carb veggies I can [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Fairly reasonable calorie count there. Do you feel hungry on it? $$ At times - yes. But there is nothing for nothing in this world. A little hunger can be tolerated for the payoff of lost weight. > Thanks v much for replying to my original post. I'm very glad that > things are going relatively well for you. $$ Thanks. :o) SignatureWysong Age 60. Height 5'6" Starting date: 1/8/05 171/ 165 / 140 lb ========================================== > $$ It's based on the WW 1-2-3 Success Program. But instead of getting many > points (calories) from carbs, I use my points on more protein foods. To sum > it up - what it is is a low-fat/medium-carb/medium protein diet of about > 1200 calories a day. I'm curious. What percentage of calories would that break down to? I mean the fat/carb/protein. According to Fitday for the last 30 days, mine is 48/24/22 + 2% alcohol. (I don't know why it doesn't add up to 100% unless that's where the fiber comes in.) SignatureNo Husband Has Ever Been Shot While Doing The Dishes |
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