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AngieRose - 04 Feb 2005 17:04 GMT
So I came home for lunch yesterday and the computer wouldn't do ANYTHING!!!!
so I tried to run Norton Anti virus but the virus had attacked it so I
couldn't even do that. I did that thing that the computer goes back a few
weeks that didn't work. DH called HP support and they worked for hours
trying to get it to work but couldn't so the guy helped DH to find a way to
burn some info and we had to reinstall windows :o( if this is the worse
thing that happens around my birthday it just might be a good one.:o)

Angie
Lorelei - 04 Feb 2005 17:20 GMT
> So I came home for lunch yesterday and the computer wouldn't do
> ANYTHING!!!!
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>
> Angie

My stepdaughters use my pc when they are here and invariably I have to do
some repairs when they leave, but about a month ago one of them didn't
follow my security restrictions and let in a virus that hid in the restore
program (I have an HP with XP). then when Mcafee tried to clean/delete or
even quarantine the files, they couldn't be found.  I had to do a full
destructive restore and lost all of my photos from the last 2 yrs.
thankfully, I have printed most of the ones I wanted but I'd like to smack
around one of the those destructive pigs for invading my sh.t. I wish they'd
go play with fire instead.

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FOB - 04 Feb 2005 17:58 GMT
I am forever preaching the value of having at least a separate petition, if
not a second physical drive, to keep one's data on.  While not a 100%
protection, it does save it from most reformat situations.

With regard to the virus in the restore files, what you need to do is turn
off restore and then turn it on again.  Turning it off deletes all the
restore files.   You need to be logged in as administrator to do this.

In news:z9OMd.159$mG6.138@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net,
Lorelei <curtandlori@earthlink.net> stated

| My stepdaughters use my pc when they are here and invariably I have
| to do some repairs when they leave, but about a month ago one of them
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
| starting Chemo for the rest of his life in ?. (hoping for a clinical
| trial in 1 month)http://community.webshots.com/user/lorismiller
sprudil - 04 Feb 2005 19:07 GMT
Consider Ghosting or mirroring your system on a periodic basis so that you
can do a complete restore from a previous image.  Your computer will be
exactly as it was on the day you made the image.

The suggestion of separate partitions is a good one.  It makes it easier to
create a ghost image and easier to backup data.  You don't have to create a
ghost image as often as you would back up data.  When you reinstall a ghost
image all your software is installed and updated and the settings are the
same as the day it was made.

Having to reinstall everything from scratch is a pain in the but because of
extra hardware configuration, service packs, security updates, configuring
printers, routers etc all has to be done.

You can store your image on a separate partition, a DVDRW or CDRW (bootable
is nice) depending on the size or elsewhere on your network.

I like Norton ghost.

Sid...
Bob M - 04 Feb 2005 19:19 GMT
> Consider Ghosting or mirroring your system on a periodic basis so that  
> you
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>
> Sid...

I'm also using Norton Ghost, although I use a second hard drive.  I may  
also start using CDs.

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sprudil - 04 Feb 2005 19:25 GMT
> > is nice) depending on the size or elsewhere on your network.
> >
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> I'm also using Norton Ghost, although I use a second hard drive.  I may
> also start using CDs.

Removable mobile racks are cheap and make swapping hard drives easier.  I
have some older hard drives that I keep around for data backup or ghost
storage.  You can even get adapters that would allow you to use a laptop
hard drive in the desktop.  I have one.

Sid...
FOB - 04 Feb 2005 19:16 GMT
Partition!!!  How did I do that?

In news:YIOMd.26263$by5.25190@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com,
FOB <fob@removethisameritech.net> stated
| I am forever preaching the value of having at least a separate
| petition, if not a second physical drive, to keep one's data on.
[quoted text clipped - 44 lines]
|| starting Chemo for the rest of his life in ?. (hoping for a clinical
|| trial in 1 month)http://community.webshots.com/user/lorismiller
JJ - 05 Feb 2005 01:42 GMT
> I am forever preaching the value of having at least a
> separate
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> reformat
> situations.

Oh you lawyerly types...always petitioning for something ;-)

Partition is the correct word, I believe.

Have a great day!

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Carmen - 04 Feb 2005 19:49 GMT
> My stepdaughters use my pc when they are here and invariably I have
> to do
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> wish they'd
> go play with fire instead.

These are Curt's daughters you're referring to?  I hope like hell he
doesn't ever read your messages on Usenet.  That would hurt any decent
parent.
It can't be good for those girls to be around you.

Carmen

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Bob M - 04 Feb 2005 19:51 GMT
>> My stepdaughters use my pc when they are here and invariably I have
>> to do
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>
> Carmen

I thought she meant the virus writers, not the stepdaughters.

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Cheri - 04 Feb 2005 20:23 GMT
So did I. I could be wrong.

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Bob M wrote in message ...

>I thought she meant the virus writers, not the stepdaughters.
>
>--
>Bob in CT
Lorelei - 04 Feb 2005 21:45 GMT
> So did I. I could be wrong.
>
> --
> Cheri

I meant the virus writers. I'd have to be a monster to post that about my
stepgirls. My damn husband (their father) is dying,  as I wrote in my
original post, I almost always have to do some minor tweaking of my PC after
they come. I accept that. I have since locked my pc down even more and they
still (and always) have used my pc
Lorelei - 04 Feb 2005 21:42 GMT
>>> My stepdaughters use my pc when they are here and invariably I have
>>> to do
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
>
> I thought she meant the virus writers, not the stepdaughters.

Yes Bob, I meant the virus writers. I will be more careful with my posting
so that it can't be so easily misinterpreted.
Lori
Roger Zoul - 04 Feb 2005 20:05 GMT
:: On  4-Feb-2005, "Lorelei" <curtandlori@earthlink.net> wrote:
::
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
:: decent parent.
:: It can't be good for those girls to be around you.

I *assumed* the comment was in reference to the virus writers.  Maybe not.

However, aside from that, whose fault is it for not having a backup of one's
data?  Computers crash, lightning strikes, HDs go bad, sh.t happens.
Putting blame on the kids or the virus writers is folly.  If something is
important to you - make a backup.  CD and DVD media and drives are *very*
inexpensive.
trader4@optonline.net - 04 Feb 2005 20:29 GMT
"However, aside from that, whose fault is it for not having a backup of
one's
data?  Computers crash, lightning strikes, HDs go bad, sh.t happens.
Putting blame on the kids or the virus writers is folly.  If something
is
important to you - make a backup.  CD and DVD media and drives are
*very*
inexpensive"

DVD's and CD's are relatively inexpensive, but they aren't very good
backup solutions, as they are very small compared with typical hard
drives today.  I know someone will say that you only have to back up
your data, which takes a small amount of space, but from a practical
standpoint, that's nearly impossible and won't get done if you rely on
that type of media.  It's too hard to figure out where data is stored
by various programs, plus lots of important config information is
stored God only knows where by the various programs and O/S components.
  The only practical backup IMO, is either a seperate hard drive,
either std or a USB one, together with a good backup program, like
Ghost.  I use a USB one which can contain a few complete backup images
of both my desktop and notebook drives.
FOB - 04 Feb 2005 20:48 GMT
Most data isn't stored by programs, it's stored by users.  Just because a
program defaults to My Documents doesn't mean you have to put your stuff
there.  Reconfiguring is a pain but losing photos is a lot more painful.

DVD's and CD's are relatively inexpensive, but they aren't very good
backup solutions, as they are very small compared with typical hard
drives today.  I know someone will say that you only have to back up
your data, which takes a small amount of space, but from a practical
standpoint, that's nearly impossible and won't get done if you rely on
that type of media.  It's too hard to figure out where data is stored
by various programs, plus lots of important config information is
stored God only knows where by the various programs and O/S components.
  The only practical backup IMO, is either a seperate hard drive,
either std or a USB one, together with a good backup program, like
Ghost.  I use a USB one which can contain a few complete backup images
of both my desktop and notebook drives.
Bob M - 04 Feb 2005 21:00 GMT
> Most data isn't stored by programs, it's stored by users.  Just because a
> program defaults to My Documents doesn't mean you have to put your stuff
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> Ghost.  I use a USB one which can contain a few complete backup images
> of both my desktop and notebook drives.

Ok, where are your settings for your browser stored?  Your email?  The  
financial data you have?  Your settings for your email account, your usnet  
access settings, etc.?  Your phone numbers, addresses, and other contact  
information?  I find it too hard to put this on a data disk, especially  
since it's a pain the butt to figure out where half this stuff is stored.  
Just backup your entire drive to another drive.  I used to keep a tape  
backup, and I was able to restore my entire hard drive when it went down.  
Believe me, it can take days to restore all of your programs and settings.

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FOB - 04 Feb 2005 22:07 GMT
In news:opsloxzqbbh8ewrd@esq03.mfh.com,
Bob M <ctviggen.y@adelphia.net> stated

| Ok, where are your settings for your browser stored?
Those would have to be reset, not difficult as I pretty much know what they
are.
Your email?
I have a backup of my address book.  My OE folders are on E:, that's one
nice thing about OE, you can put the storage folders anywhere you want and
can then back up any folder you want.
The financial data you have? My MS Money backup is set to E:, about once a
week I send a copy of that file from my laptop to my desktop so it is saved
in both places.
Your settings for your email account, your usnet access settings, etc.?
Backed up on desktop as well as a hard copy.
Your phone numbers, addresses, and other contact information?
I have a little address book program called Personal Address Book, if I add
an address to it I send a copy to the desktop.
 I find it too hard to put this on a data
| disk, especially since it's a pain the butt to figure out where half
| this stuff is stored. Just backup your entire drive to another drive.
| I used to keep a tape backup, and I was able to restore my entire
| hard drive when it went down. Believe me, it can take days to restore
| all of your programs and settings.

I know that, I guess I have been lucky.  Have only had an unplanned reformat
once (in 9 years of computer ownership) when I was trying to replace a video
card under warranty and had problems and ended up taking it to the Gateway
store.  I figured it was easier to let them struggle with it since the
warranty covered their work.  They ended up replacing the motherboard and
reformatting, but all my goodies were on my slave and all I lost were a few
things I had saved to the desktop and not put away.  There is something to
be said for an occasional fresh start, though I don't try out and then
abandon as many programs as I did when I first started.

| --
| Bob in CT
Roger Zoul - 04 Feb 2005 21:16 GMT
:: "However, aside from that, whose fault is it for not having a backup
:: of one's
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
:: Ghost.  I use a USB one which can contain a few complete backup
:: images of both my desktop and notebook drives.

I personally use a HD over a firewire connection on all of my machines.
However, for those who are somehow challenged to keep an active backup, a CD
and/or DVD can work to prevent loss of important data.  Most folkds don't
have nearly as much stuff to protect as i do, so again, a DVD can work just
fine.

Also, I avoid the use of software that hides my data.
sprudil - 04 Feb 2005 23:19 GMT
One advantage of an early Ghost image is that you have the chance to restore
your computer to an earlier point where it was "cleaner".  Registries get
full of crap over time and your computer gets stuff that you may have tried
out for a while and uninstall programs often leave stuff behind.  As long as
my data is backed up separately (favs, .pst docs, account settings etc) I
will if given the chance revert to an earlier ghost that has all my basics
in it but without the vestiges from later experimentation.

Sid...
BJPruett - 05 Feb 2005 00:05 GMT
How do you find Ghost?  Is it free? Do you have to but it is a store?
Can you find it on Internet?
Any help will be appreciated.

Barbara

>One advantage of an early Ghost image is that you have the chance to restore
>your computer to an earlier point where it was "cleaner".  Registries get
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
>  
sprudil - 05 Feb 2005 20:10 GMT
> How do you find Ghost?  Is it free? Do you have to but it is a store?
> Can you find it on Internet?
> Any help will be appreciated.

It is sold by Symantec (Norton)

http://www.symantecstore.com/dr/sat1/ec_MAIN.Entry17c?CID=0&SID=27674&SP=10007&P
N=5&PID=646353&DSP=&CUR=840&PGRP=0&CACHE_ID=181764


there are competitors such as Acronis True Image which seems better.  I
currently use the older dos version.

Sid...
Saffire - 05 Feb 2005 03:13 GMT
> One advantage of an early Ghost image is that you have the chance to restore
> your computer to an earlier point where it was "cleaner".  Registries get
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> will if given the chance revert to an earlier ghost that has all my basics
> in it but without the vestiges from later experimentation.

Also, if you have a version of XP that has to be activated and you Ghost
it AFTER activation, then restore it from the Ghost image, you don't
have to reactivate it unless you've made a lot of hardware changes.  
Despite having a broadband connection, I can never activate over the
internet and calling in and doing it by phone automation is incredibly
tedious.  

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sprudil - 04 Feb 2005 23:12 GMT
> "However, aside from that, whose fault is it for not having a backup of
> one's
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> Ghost.  I use a USB one which can contain a few complete backup images
> of both my desktop and notebook drives.

Ghost also allows for compression so the images don't have to be as large.

Sid...
Saffire - 04 Feb 2005 20:47 GMT
> > My stepdaughters use my pc when they are here and invariably I have
> > to do
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> parent.
> It can't be good for those girls to be around you.

I think she was referring to the virus authors.

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Lorelei - 04 Feb 2005 21:41 GMT
>> My stepdaughters use my pc when they are here and invariably I have
>> to do
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>
> Carmen

OMG!!!!! when I read this just a min ago I realized that it could be taken
wrong. I meant the people who write these invasive programs NOT MY
STEPDAUGHTERS!!

do you think I lost my mind? I have never posted bad things about them on
the net!! They are nice girls. I pick them up and drive them home most of
the time. we talk about girl stuff and  curt and I am their advocate in this
house.

I see how you COULD have misinterpreted my post by the way I wrote it, but
did that SOUND like me??
Lori
Carmen - 05 Feb 2005 00:11 GMT
Hi,

> OMG!!!!! when I read this just a min ago I realized that it could be
> taken wrong. I meant the people who write these invasive programs
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> it, but did that SOUND like me??
> Lori

Actually, the psych minor in me thought it might have stemmed from a
mix between anger at Curt because he's going to leave you (and they're
half Curt) and a way of detaching yourself from any positive feelings
you had towards them because after Curt's gone you likely won't see
the girls again.  So I *did* think you had sort of lost your mind.
Grief does nasty things to people.  Since they're kids and you're the
adult I sided with the kids.
I apologize for interpreting your message in a way you didn't intend
it.  I'm relieved and glad to be wrong.  I'm sorry Lori.

Take care,
Carmen

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Lorelei - 05 Feb 2005 00:14 GMT
> Hi,
>
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
> Take care,
> Carmen

whew.
ain't lost it yet but ya never know.
actually Curt needed me to bring him something at work today and he looked
like my baby. singing and working and as usual, there was another
construction-type guy watching him. It makes it look so easy, yet he is so
exacting  (he is also referred to as 'picky" so people that want that "xtra"
will ask for him [he sells and subcontracts too] that he gave that job the
same attention he'd give any job.  He was laying carpet in a section 8
(subsidized) apartment in a bad part of Minneapolis. He is damn good at what
he does. he gives the same quality to a Sec 8 apt that he is going to give
to the house where Kirby Puckett {how the mightly have fallen, assaulting
your wife and then not too many months later dragging a woman into a
bathroom at a trendy eatery and groping
her will damage the rep)   is moving into. \. He charges what he charges
and he doesn't raise his prices for the more affluent customers nor does he
drop it for guys like this who will have to replace that carpet when that
tenant gets evicted in 6-12 months.
He NEEDS to keep working. he's been home about 3 days in the last 8 and I
wanted to bean him on the head!1 so we decided that he works until he drops.
It keeps things "normal".
Lori
Wysong *~ - 04 Feb 2005 20:03 GMT
> My stepdaughters use my pc when they are here and invariably I have to do
> some repairs when they leave, but about a month ago one of them didn't
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> around one of the those destructive pigs for invading my sh.t. I wish they'd
> go play with fire instead.
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You should have a CD-R/CD-RW burner on your HP PC to do BACKUPS with.  Buy
the CDs when they're on sale and do monthly or bi-monthly backups.  Or
backup everything new and of value daily.  Just add them to the same CD.  In
an emergency you can even back things up to floppies.

Also use the free Adaware, Spybot, SpywareBlaster and keep your antivirus
program updated.
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Saffire - 04 Feb 2005 20:44 GMT
> My stepdaughters use my pc when they are here and invariably I have to do
> some repairs when they leave, but about a month ago one of them didn't
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> around one of the those destructive pigs for invading my sh.t. I wish they'd
> go play with fire instead.

Losing the photos must have been HORRIBLE!  Along with keeping stuff
like that on a separate drive from the OS, I also write them to CDs.  
Most of my photo files are from photos I scanned in, so if you printed
them, you can get a scanner and scan them back in (and save them to a
CD/DVD).  It will be time-consuming, but then you'll HAVE them if
something happens to either the hardcopy photos or the PC.

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Lorelei - 04 Feb 2005 21:51 GMT
>> My stepdaughters use my pc when they are here and invariably I have to do
>> some repairs when they leave, but about a month ago one of them didn't
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> CD/DVD).  It will be time-consuming, but then you'll HAVE them if
> something happens to either the hardcopy photos or the PC.

Thanks Saffire, for not even suggesting that I was talking about my
stepgirls. I've known them almost 7 yrs. They are 13 3/4 and 10. their mom
is kind of different (I guess, I've never met her. She refuses even tho they
had been divorced for over 2 yrs before we met)

lORI
Xtile - 05 Feb 2005 00:39 GMT
> I had to do a full
> destructive restore and lost all of my photos from the last 2 yrs.
> thankfully, I have printed most of the ones I wanted but I'd like to smack
> around one of the those destructive pigs for invading my sh.t. I wish they'd
> go play with fire instead.

Ugh, I have a CD/DVD burner, all my files are now backed up......I have
about 6 years of photos on my pute onw, but they are also safe and sound
on a couple DVDs too.
Marengo - 07 Feb 2005 04:47 GMT
||| So I came home for lunch yesterday and the computer wouldn't do
||| ANYTHING!!!!
[quoted text clipped - 45 lines]
|| starting Chemo for the rest of his life in ?. (hoping for a clinical
|| trial in 1 month)http://community.webshots.com/user/lorismiller

It's simple to set security protocols in XP so that executable programs,
java and scipts can't be downloaded if you know somebody irriesponsible will
be using your computer.  You just set up a guest user and set the
restictions.
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JC Der Koenig - 05 Feb 2005 01:51 GMT
Do you have any idea what an off topic post is?

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> So I came home for lunch yesterday and the computer wouldn't do
> ANYTHING!!!!
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Angie
AngieRose - 05 Feb 2005 04:58 GMT
I love you too<kiss>
Angie :o)

> Do you have any idea what an off topic post is?
>
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>>
>> Angie
AM - 05 Feb 2005 14:58 GMT
oh no, JC can't deal with affection, he's almost certainly going to
implode.  do not kiss him, I repeat, do not, never ever smooch smooch
JC!

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