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Weight Loss Forum / Low Carb / February 2005some hearsay about WLS
I read this account, by "Robin" and thought it might be relevant here. " I have 3 friends who have had that surgery....the first one had horrifying hair loss....daily vomiting even almost a year later, sickly something terrible, another has had the surgery and did not lose hardly any weight because it didn't take...or they suggested that she might have just stretched her stomach back out thru over eating, the third, he lost weight but has had to have 2 subsequent surgeries to find out why he stayed in pain a lot of the time.....None of them died but I know at least 2 of them might have had serious regrets about having done it. The really crazy thing is that with the first one...she had the surgery and her doctor told her she had to eat low carb basically for the rest of her life...... IMHO she could have done that without going under the knife....She is very sensitive about it so we don't talk about it but I know it has been frustrating for her to find out post surgery that she was still going to have to eat according to an eating plan that she tried and could not do pre-surgery..... I will stick with the Atkins and spare myself the knife......That surgery scares me! " Ya just couldnt save me from my impending Doom Cubit. it bothers ya huh??? I know you are waiting for me to f.cking die but sorry. Im too onery and determined. I have come up swinging from this one. I didnt have a distal RNY I had a proximal RNY and will absorb way more of my nutrients and will lose some hair but nothing like a distal. So be it! It grows back!!! Small price to pay I think. Every person whom I have spoke with who has had problems says the same thing " Even with trouble I would do it again in a heart beat" I was willing to pay the price and accept the risks involved. I was 12 times likely to die before the age of 60 being as obese as I am. So mark it on you calender Cubit. Today is day 10, hmmmmm there is 20 more days left for me to die from post op complications according to your calculations and statistcal info. Laureen 410/380/ who knows :: I read this account, by "Robin" and thought it might be relevant :: here. Dude...leave it alone. I'll assume Roger, that you are concerned with my becoming increasingly unpopular here. If one were to believe the replies that claim I have said or thought various things that are not evidenced by my actual posts, one might be outraged. > :: I read this account, by "Robin" and thought it might be relevant > :: here. > > Dude...leave it alone. >I read this account, by "Robin" and thought it might be relevant here. > >" I have 3 friends who have had that surgery.... The exteme fear (for yourself) and ignorance permeates your posts. There are over 100,000 various forms of weightloss surgery performed each year. What you don't know about WLS would fill a swimming pool. What you think you know might fill a thimble. If you had bothered to actually study the topic you may have found out just how little you understand about WLS beyond your fear and ignorance. Laureen is fine. Give it a rest. Perhaps that is a pale shade of green coloring your vision? Lee Rodgers Lowcarb Retreat http://www.lowcarb.org CHAT http://www.lowcarb.org/parachat.html Low-Carb Connoisseur http://www.low-carb.com One could find similar anecdotes about any elective surgery, exercise plan, eating approach, internal combustion vehicle, sport, etc., etc., etc. Don't forget all the people whose friends tried "the Atkins" and then had their kidneys fall out! Many, many people in this world have used weight loss surgery as part of their weight loss approach. I think Laureen has a fantastic attitude, and I think she's much more likely to be one of the "success stories" than otherwise. I don't know if it's a choice I'd make for myself, but neither I, nor you, know Laureen's experience as well as she does, or understand her health situation as well as her doctors do. If she's happy, her family's happy, and her doctors are happy, then for heaven's sake, all of us should either cheer her on or stay the heck out of it. Grrr! T. "Cubit" <no@not.not> wrote in message || " I have 3 friends who have had that surgery....the first one had || horrifying hair loss....daily vomiting even almost a year later, I will stick with the Atkins and spare myself || the knife......That surgery scares me! " *snip the halloween stories* You are an unbelievably insensitive, cruel idiot. You post this trash to purposely scare Laureen who just had GPS? Do you go into cardiac wards in the hospital and tell horror stories to the patients about people you know who have had cardiac bypass surgery? Get a hobby. -- Peter website: http://users.thelink.net/marengo Non-sense. When I made my post, Laureen had disappeared for a few days and we were getting reports through a third party. My post did not mention Laureen. I made the post thinking that some may be giving up on their diet. I happened upon the item I quoted that morning, so I did a copy and paste. You edited my post in your reply to make it appear that my quoting someone else was actually my words. If Laureen has a "GPS" does that mean she won't get lost? (This is making fun of Marengo's typo.) > You are an unbelievably insensitive, cruel idiot. You post this trash > to purposely scare Laureen who just had GPS? Do you go into cardiac [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Peter > website: http://users.thelink.net/marengo You're a sh.t Cubit. Why dont you go slit your wrists and crawl into the bathtub and get it over with. You are such a miserable soul the way you spread your doom and gloom and negativity. Go ahead do it! Your not to popular in here anyway. We wont miss you! TTFN, I'm off to see The Wizard today, of course I 'm going to shop my heart out while we are in Seattle. Oh Life is good. Gotta have all my fun before I DIE!!!!. Hi Laureen. When you are not upset, I really like how you express yourself. I admire your courage. "doom and gloom and negativity" - My view, that obesity can be conquered, is the opposite of that. It is the height of optimism. > You're a sh.t Cubit. Why dont you go slit your wrists and crawl into > the bathtub and get it over with. You are such a miserable soul the way [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > heart out while we are in Seattle. Oh Life is good. Gotta have all my > fun before I DIE!!!!. :: I made the post thinking that some may be giving up on their diet. :: I happened upon the item I quoted that morning, so I did a copy and :: paste. This is not the first time WLS has been mentioned here. The last time I remember someone posting about considering it (which is NOT what Laureen did), lots of responses were given about the downsides of such an option. The point is now: LEAVE IT ALONE. You don't need to be playing father figure for all the hopeless overweight dieters out there by trying to guide them away from WLS (you are way too much of an anti-social for that). The best thing you can do along these lines is to be successful in your own journey for weight loss and improved health. Lead by example rather than posting BS hearsay. Roger, Like I said earlier. I could have never said a word. I could of melted away quietly and never said anything to anyone, posted some picks, and said " Look at me, I buckled down and look at what low carbing did for me!!", but that would have not been fair would it? Im an honest person, a nice person (ok most of the time) arent I? LOL. I knew the ones in here like you would support me, maybe not think I was doing the right thing, but support me anyway. I live in America and have the right to make my own healthcare decisions, I did! :) Laureen, Smilin all the way to the scale :: Roger, Like I said earlier. I could have never said a word. I could :: of melted away quietly and never said anything to anyone, posted some :: picks, and said " Look at me, I buckled down and look at what low :: carbing did for me!!", Maybe that's what cubit is doing :) but that would have not been fair would it? Im :: an honest person, a nice person (ok most of the time) arent I? LOL. I :: knew the ones in here like you would support me, maybe not think I :: was doing the right thing, but support me anyway. I live in America :: and have the right to make my own healthcare decisions, I did! :) :: Laureen, Smilin all the way to the scale Keep smilin, hun! > Roger, Like I said earlier. I could have never said a word. I could of > melted away quietly and never said anything to anyone, posted some [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > have the right to make my own healthcare decisions, I did! :) > Laureen, Smilin all the way to the scale ================================== I'm not aware of your posting history Laureen. From what I gather the low-carb diet didn't work for you for some reason. Or didn't work when you tried it the second time around. Care to share those reasons with the newbies here or those who left for awhile? Were you unable to stick to the diet? I couldn't get it to work for me either after the initial 46 lb loss. After 2 years of low-carbing without success I just had to switch diets, at least for awhile.  SignatureWysong Age 60. Height 5'6" Starting date: 1/8/05 171/ 165 / 140 lb Starting date LC 7/01 at 207lbs Stopped losing on LC 11/01 at 165lbs ========================================== [snip] > The point is now: LEAVE IT ALONE. You don't need to be playing father > figure for all the hopeless overweight dieters out there by trying to guide > them away from WLS (you are way too much of an anti-social for that). The > best thing you can do along these lines is to be successful in your own > journey for weight loss and improved health. "hopeless overweight dieters" - Despite the statistics, I firmly believe it is not hopeless. "anti-social" - I am not anti-social. However, I do march to my own drummer, and I do not join crowds in leaping over cliffs. "be successful in your own journey" - Without thinking, I want to shout, "I AM." However, the journey takes time, and I'm not yet at goal. Barring serious physical illness or injury, I shall be passing my goal in a timely manner. > Lead by example rather than posting BS hearsay. "lead by example" - I've been doing that. "BS hearsay" - I fully expected that someone else would pop up to mention the downside of WLS. If they had, I would not have broached the issue. Unfortunately, I have done a poor job of making the case. I find WLS so disturbing, I do not want to do the research that would be needed for a proper presentation. Rather than pointing out the risks of WLS, I would rather make a case that anyone can regain control of weight. That will be a tough case to make. I've started with the man in the mirror.... > "BS hearsay" - I fully expected that someone else would pop up to mention > the downside of WLS. If they had, I would not have broached the issue. No one is going to do that. This group has historically been in love with the whole idea of WLS. I think they bring the brouchures into the john for some one-handed reading, if you know what I mean. And now anyone who says anything will be accused of being non-supportive by thirty-five different posters and then have to read one single very long paragraph full of curse words. No thanks. > Unfortunately, I have done a poor job of making the case. I find WLS so > disturbing, I do not want to do the research that would be needed for a > proper presentation. Rather than pointing out the risks of WLS, I would > rather make a case that anyone can regain control of weight. That will be a > tough case to make. I've started with the man in the mirror.... Signature214.5/212/160 > > "BS hearsay" - I fully expected that someone else would pop up to > > mention the downside of WLS. If they had, I would not have [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > thirty-five different posters and then have to read one single very > long paragraph full of curse words. No thanks. Snip Oh, you again. Something about you seemed familiar so I Googled. Why are you back? In this group of all places? Carmen SignaturePlease note change in Reply To address carmensrt <at> gmail <dot> com Hotmail isn't working and is being abandoned And > > now > > anyone who says anything will be accused of being non-supportive by [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Carmen ===================== Maybe she's back because it's a FREE un-moderated public forum? Why is it your business or anyone else's who does and doesn't post here? If you want a private NG then set up a moderated NG of your own. SignatureWysong Age 60. Height 5'6" Starting date: 1/8/05 171/ 165 / 140 lb Starting date LC 7/01 at 207lbs Stopped losing on LC 11/01 at 165lbs ========================================== > ===================== > Maybe she's back because it's a FREE un-moderated public forum? Why is it > your business or anyone else's who does and doesn't post here? If you want > a private NG then set up a moderated NG of your own. Crap - I forgot to get my official stamp of approval and sign the little document promising only to have thoughts that conform to the official ASDLC guidelines. I hate it when that happens. Signature214.5/212/160 > > ===================== > > Maybe she's back because it's a FREE un-moderated public forum? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > I hate it when that happens. Wysong misunderstood. Anyone has a right to post in unmoderated groups. I'm wondering why you are back here in light of how you left the last time and where you went immediately after you left. To come back to any diet group, never mind *this* one is a 180 shift. It's curiosity at work. Carmen SignaturePlease note change in Reply To address carmensrt <at> gmail <dot> com Hotmail isn't working and is being abandoned > > "BS hearsay" - I fully expected that someone else would pop up to mention > > the downside of WLS. If they had, I would not have broached the issue. > > No one is going to do that. This group has historically been in love > with the whole idea of WLS. I think they bring the brouchures into the I disagree with the notion that people here are "in love with the whole idea of WLS". However, when someone here decides to have it (or comes in admitting to already having had it done), that's THEIR decision. When it's someone we've come to know over time, like Laureen, we are certainly more likely to be supportive of her decision. Frankly, I've been reading this group for over 1.5 years now and only remember one person introducing herself after having had the surgery and, most recently, Laureen deciding to have (and subsequently having) it. That's TWO people out of all the people that have posted here in that span of time, so it's not something that people in asdlc generally favor since most of us HAVE found that we can gain some control over our weight via low-carb. I looked and felt like I was going to POP at 210 lbs and it was having a significant effect on my health, so I can only IMAGINE how difficult it must be for someone to weigh 400 lbs and not be able to make much headway in losing weight over an extended period of time. 400 lbs IS life-threatening, and sooner rather than later, so surgery DOES make sense in that case. I was considering it before I tried Atkins, and did some on-line research, but I didn't WANT to take such a drastic, permanent step. The prospect of either having surgery or just continuing to get fatter and fatter was the impetus for deciding to at least give Atkins a try first -- to my everlasting relief, Atkins works for ME, but my situation was not so dire. Given how slowly I lose, if I had started out weighing 400 lbs, I probably WOULD have opted for surgery if I could afford it. SignatureSaffire 205/144/125 - 5'1.5" Atkins since 6/14/03 Progress photo: http://photos.yahoo.com/saffire333 >> > "BS hearsay" - I fully expected that someone else would pop up to >> > mention [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > had started out weighing 400 lbs, I probably WOULD have opted for > surgery if I could afford it. well put as usual. your experience is similar to mine. SignatureLori (Atkins 1/16/2003) 220-144 from Jan to Nov restart Jan 1. 2005 170/159/145 Devoted wife of Curtis diagnosed with Metastatic Prostate Cancer 12/31/2004 40 yr and 1 day old failed Hormone deprivation therapy in 9 mo (instead of the usual 18-24 mo) now on Radiation for pain(done) starting Chemo for the rest of his life in ?. (hoping for a clinical trial in 1 month )http://community.webshots.com/user/lorismiller > > > "BS hearsay" - I fully expected that someone else would pop up to mention > > > the downside of WLS. If they had, I would not have broached the issue. [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > had started out weighing 400 lbs, I probably WOULD have opted for > surgery if I could afford it. There was a fair amount of pro WLS discussion around the time that Al Roker had it done. Sid... I think Cubit thinks I am on a recruitment type mission. Anyone who knows me (and I have posted here for a few years now), knows my struggle with my weight. I didnt want to do it and tried ALL non surgical approaches and much to my disappointment my last attempt at LC rendered me unable to lose weight. When your BMI is 73, there is something terribly wrong. Boy Im not going to turn anyone in here onto WLS Im sure. Im one of the heaviest ones in here. I did this for myself and just wanted to share why I did it and my progress thats all. Laureen 410/378 > I think Cubit thinks I am on a recruitment type mission. Anyone who > knows me (and I have posted here for a few years now), knows my [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Laureen > 410/378 I remember reading all this, Laureen, and I'm glad you had the courage to make the decision. Even gladder it is working out so well. I have never gotten the impression you are recruiting, nor that you would be likely to do so. The most important thing anyone who is extremely obese and contemplating WLS needs is accurate information and first hand accounts... the good with the bad. Just hearing all the scare stories is is inaccurate as all rosy happily-ever-after stories. Thank goodness you're one of the latter, but you've never given the impression it's always like that. Thanks for continuing to let us know how you're doing. I think you're handling this all very well. HG You didn't try all non-surgical approaches. You should have quit stuffing your fat face with food. Idiot. SignatureMost people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW >I think Cubit thinks I am on a recruitment type mission. Anyone who > knows me (and I have posted here for a few years now), knows my [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Laureen > 410/378 > You didn't try all non-surgical approaches. > > You should have quit stuffing your fat face with food. Idiot. I have to agree to a point. Now that you are eating less, you are losing, right? Anyway, good luck! || I think Cubit thinks I am on a recruitment type mission. Anyone who || knows me (and I have posted here for a few years now), knows my [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] || thats all. Laureen || 410/378 You don't have to justify yourself to anyone Laureen. I feel bad for those posters who have no clue what unconditional love is. If they do not have it for others, they can never experience it themselves. And the ones who are so quick to judge others are the ones who end up falling the hardest and farthest. -- Peter website: http://users.thelink.net/marengo > I feel bad for those posters who have no clue what unconditional love > is. If they do not have it for others, they can never experience it > themselves. Um, no. By definition, another's unconditional love for you CANNOT be dependent on your having it for others. That would be a condition. But don't let me get in the way of your rant there. KeS when i read cubits post, i didnt find anything threatening or necessarily directed towards anyone. there are times when i want to toss the atkins plan in the trash and think about the WLS...at least until i stare at the size 30s i even travel with and the size 16s im about to put on. cubit *does* have a point...some people (im not including laureen here) want a quick and easy solution to weight loss. others do stupid sh.t like gaining 30 lbs or more so they qualify without a comorbidity for the surgery -- then theyre astounded that they have to diet and exercize anyway afterwards.... or better yet - they get down to a small size and within a few years -- oops, back up to the one they came from, this time with stitches in their gut and nothing to show for it. im with him, honestly. and i almost agree with jc. i say almost because i think laureen might have been more successful on the way up, instead of where she is now trying the atkins plan. ive read from other places what hell it is to lose weight when you have diabetes -- just taking an RX made weight loss stalls amazing. laureen is a bit of a drama queen, but i mean that in a good way. i do searches for her posts because of her excitement and her dramatic ways. i find her to be eccentric and interesting. maybe i dont know all the history, but jumping down cubits throat about his post was a bit overzealous imo... reading stuff like that is important i think. WLS should always be a last resort. in laureens case it probably was. the body wasnt meant to carry 400+lbs. did she try all the things she could have? thats between her and god or whatnot. who knows? i just think in a public and unmoderated forum, folks should be able to post their opinions without persecution, at least to THAT degree. cubit, im very interested in stories like that, only because i was *very* close to going under that knife, even as scared as i was too. anyway, i digress. -tia... ps.. love to jc. laureen is a bit of a drama queen, but i mean that in a good way. i do searches for her posts because of her excitement and her dramatic ways. i find her to be eccentric and interesting.................................................................. Oh honey, I'm not the drama queen. I'm just one of the many average people in here who post. I may talk about my personal life but it isn't directed at the people who arent interested. It is mostly directed at my friends in here who have seen me through my struggles and a couple really personal tragedies durin the last 3 years. It is directed at my friends with whom I have developed relationships with, the ones I even talk to on the telephone. Others in here have experienced personal tragedy and we have been here for each other. I guess that happens when you stay in one place for a long time. You start to care about people. I adore a lot people in here. Im proud to call them my friend. I fail to find the find the DRAMA I produce though. Im painfully honest in all aspects of my life, in here and with my opinions. Stick around, you WILL see some drama but not from me. One thing you will never see from me is a whinny piss a.s attitude. I have been discouraged on many occassions but who hasnt. I have expressed incredible sadness in here a few times. I'm generally a happy person. Hell even when I hurt inside and feel terrible I am happy outside for others. Laureen [snip]> > Oh honey, I'm not the drama queen. I'm just one of the many average > people in here who post. there were days before work where i would just read over your posts. its a compliment :) [snip s'more] actually i like your brutal honesty and how youre not afraid to really tell folks what you feel. > aspects of my life, in here and with my opinions. Stick around, you > WILL see some drama but not from me. i guess i was kinda thinking back to the way you would answer each post and never forget to flip the bird to jc. > One thing you will never see from me is a whinny piss a.s attitude. I > have been discouraged on many occassions but who hasnt. I have > expressed incredible sadness in here a few times. I'm generally a > happy person. Hell even when I hurt inside and feel terrible I am happy > outside for others. > Laureen i dunno about any of that cuz im new but i look forward to a few more posts from you. i thought you were being derogitory. Sorry. Look back in the archives of when i ontro'ed myself to this group and how miserable I was 3 or more years ago. Been here for a long time now > i thought you were being derogitory. Sorry. Look back in the archives > of when i ontro'ed myself to this group and how miserable I was 3 or > more years ago. Been here for a long time now derogitory? >> i thought you were being derogitory. Sorry. Look back in the archives >> of when i ontro'ed myself to this group and how miserable I was 3 or >> more years ago. Been here for a long time now > > derogitory? ontro'ed? oh i still love you laureen :) i have a tendency to come across that way only because i work poorly with words and much better with pictures. i kinda say what comes to mind, but sometimes its not always what i mean exactly. either way, i never held any grudges lil lady :) Signature_____________________________ This be Tia's SIG!!! YAY! >> i thought you were being derogitory. Sorry. Look back in the archives >> of when i ontro'ed myself to this group and how miserable I was 3 or >> more years ago. Been here for a long time now > > derogitory? "Laureen" <TheBennetts@olypen.com> wrote in message You start to care about people. ** Unfortunately many people on this NG don't seem to care about anyone else but themselves. We have the spelling police, those who see Atkins as some kind of God. Those who panic when they learn others stalled permanently. They want to keep failures a secret or fear it'll happen to them. There are those who feel qualified to judge the intelligence or motives of others through a computer. We have a few who feel qualified to give others what amounts to dangerous advice, others so jealous they're GREEN with envy... this is quite a group of people. :-( > I adore a lot people in here. Im proud to call them my friend. I fail > to find the find the DRAMA I produce though. Im painfully honest in all > aspects of my life, in here and with my opinions. Stick around, you > WILL see some drama but not from me. ** Some of the people here seem to suffer from personality problems I suspect are tied into their past history of obesity and feelings of rejection and self hate. A few here who did get the weight off seem to feel *superior* to others who failed, gained or are stuck on a permanent plateau. They assume the GOD role for themselves, looking down on others. There are those with such poor self esteem they must call others juvenile names to make themselves feel better. A warped form of ego building. Some are just plain rude. SignatureWysong Age 60. Height 5'6" Starting date: 1/8/05 171/ 165 / 140 lb Starting date LC 7/01 at 207lbs Stopped losing on LC 11/01 at 165lbs ========================================== Crap - I forgot to get my official stamp of approval and sign the little document promising only to have thoughts that conform to the official ASDLC guidelines. I hate it when that happens. (credit Sophie) ~~<~~<~~{@ ~~<~~<~~{@ ~~<~~<~~{@ > A warped form of ego building. Some > are just plain rude. LOL Welcome to USENET! > > A warped form of ego building. Some > > are just plain rude. > > LOL Welcome to USENET! ============================ I've been on Usenet since 11/96. I've developed quite an immunity to the Kô0ks and (_|_)s you find here. ;-) SignatureWysong Age 60. Height 5'6" Starting date: 1/8/05 171/ 165 / 140 lb Starting date LC 7/01 at 207lbs Stopped losing on LC 11/01 at 165lbs ========================================== Crap - I forgot to get my official stamp of approval and sign the little document promising only to have thoughts that conform to the official ASDLC guidelines. I hate it when that happens. (credit Sophie) ~~<~~<~~{@ ~~<~~<~~{@ ~~<~~<~~{@ > X-No-Archive: yes > ** Unfortunately many people on this NG don't seem to care about anyone else > but [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > what amounts to dangerous advice, others so jealous they're GREEN with > envy... this is quite a group of people. :-( > ** Some of the people here seem to suffer from personality problems I > suspect are tied into their past history of obesity and feelings of [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > names to make themselves feel better. A warped form of ego building. Some > are just plain rude. Wow, a major projection episode from Wysong! So... why is she still here bitching? HG >> ** Unfortunately many people on this NG don't seem to care about anyone > else >> but >> themselves. nobody cares about anyone else really. even if they do, they have their own agenda. even mother theresa had her own agenda. (serving god or whatever) We have the spelling police, those who see Atkins as some > kind >> of God. Those who panic when they learn others stalled permanently. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> what amounts to dangerous advice, others so jealous they're GREEN with >> envy... this is quite a group of people. :-( you just described 90% of the planet, not just this newsgroup. im not new to news, trolls, flames or complete a.sholes. i worked with a majority of a.sholes when i was the *only* woman on a male team, working on servers, taking technical support calls and slinging cables around. i understood that i had to be twice as good as them just to be accepted. while it sucked, its just how it is. everyone has fears, coping mechanisms, defense mechanisms, and the like.. and lets face it.. if we werent unhappy or even embarassed of our weight, would we have sought help here and from whichever lc plan we were on? probably not. we would be a dionysian slob and damn happy to be one! it might suit you better to just stop and not react to what they said, but first to think about what they meant... a lot of folks arent good with words (myself included) and may portray a meaning, but at first glance might appear to be something different. >> ** Some of the people here seem to suffer from personality problems I >> suspect are tied into their past history of obesity and feelings of [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Some >> are just plain rude. well rude people are everywhere. i grew up in NY and NJ... i guess thats why this doesnt bother me much; we ate rude for breakfast. if you were nice where i grew up, you got walked all over. even jc doesnt come across as rude to me, he seems more matter-of-fact. i guess if you could just accept people for how they are and maybe not take everything as a personal attack it might give you a better sense that people are just how they are... because of past experiences and their environments .. and theyre probably not out to get you :) -t Signature_____________________________ This be Tia's SIG!!! YAY! > > X-No-Archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > HG ===================== Why are YOU here bitching? Pot calling kettle black? LOL!!!! :-D SignatureWysong Age 60. Height 5'6" Starting date: 1/8/05 171/ 165 / 140 lb Starting date LC 7/01 at 207lbs Stopped losing on LC 11/01 at 165lbs ========================================== Crap - I forgot to get my official stamp of approval and sign the little document promising only to have thoughts that conform to the official ASDLC guidelines. I hate it when that happens. (credit Sophie) ~~<~~<~~{@ ~~<~~<~~{@ ~~<~~<~~{@ > X-No-Archive: yes > Why are YOU here bitching? Pot calling kettle black? LOL!!!! :-D Ummmm, not really Wysong. You're bitching about the dietary paradigm that is the subject of this news group, along with support. Continually. And you seem to have a nonexistent learning curve here. You did this before, a couple years back, and were practically ridden out of the ng on a rail (wishing it was possible in your case, actually.) You're getting about the same reaction you did then, apparently a little gentler this time. And now are acting all indignant and amazed. Personally, I am thinking it's all just an annoying game with you and you're just pulling a rather obtuse kind of troll. Pardon me for pointing these facts out to the majority of the current ng that didn't catch your first performance and exit here and think you actually have anything meaningful to say. HG And some are just annoying. In news:du2dnUxxYPuiipLfRVn-2w@heartoftn.net, Wysong *~ <P@P> stated Some are just plain rude. | -- | Wysong || On Fri, 11 Feb 2005, marengo wrote: ||| [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] || || KeS Lol! We could get into quite a semantic debate, couldn't we? And semantically, you're right of course. But in a spiritual sense, those who are incapable of giving love are incapable of fully receiving it also, and visa-versa. -- Peter website: http://users.thelink.net/marengo >I've started with the man in the mirror.... I know this is OT but now you've got that michael jackson song stuck in my head and I MUST hate you for this!!!! >:) ----- 285.5/261/120 monthly-goal: 5 > [snip] >> The point is now: LEAVE IT ALONE. You don't need to be playing [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > "hopeless overweight dieters" - Despite the statistics, I firmly > believe it is not hopeless. It will be that way for some....no matter what you say or do. > "anti-social" - I am not anti-social. However, I do march to my own > drummer, and I do not join crowds in leaping over cliffs. I'll take your word for me... > "be successful in your own journey" - Without thinking, I want to > shout, "I AM." However, the journey takes time, and I'm not yet at > goal. Barring serious physical illness or injury, I shall be passing > my goal in a timely manner. Good. >> Lead by example rather than posting BS hearsay. > > "lead by example" - I've been doing that. Then quit posting BS hearsay. > "BS hearsay" - I fully expected that someone else would pop up to > mention the downside of WLS. If they had, I would not have broached > the issue. Unfortunately, I have done a poor job of making the case. > I find WLS so disturbing, I do not want to do the research that would > be needed for a proper presentation. You were doom from the beginning when dealing with someone who has made a decision and was not asking for your opinion. Rather than pointing out the > risks of WLS, I would rather make a case that anyone can regain > control of weight. That will be a tough case to make. I've started > with the man in the mirror.... Stick to what you're better at.... >I read this account, by "Robin" and thought it might be relevant here. Only if you're trying to bother people ----- 285.5/261/120 monthly-goal: 5 was it an exercept from A Series of Unfortunate Events? Book 13 - Weightloss Woes???? > I read this account, by "Robin" and thought it might be relevant here. > time.....None of them died but I know at least 2 of them might have > had serious regrets about having done it. The really crazy thing is [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > not do pre-surgery..... I will stick with the Atkins and spare myself > the knife......That surgery scares me! " The article I read in Prevention was about 3 sisters who had WLS, they all said they no longer had the appetite they used to. A lot of the stuff they used to like to eat just wasn't appealing anymore. SignatureNo Husband Has Ever Been Shot While Doing The Dishes |
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