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Weight Loss Forum / Low Carb / February 2005I need some help
i'm new to trying to eat low carb and i was wondering what some of you eat in an average day? what do you normally have for breakfast, lunch, dinner? > i'm new to trying to eat low carb and i was wondering what some of you eat > in an average day? > what do you normally have for breakfast, lunch, dinner? No breakfast or a couple ounces of cheese - just not a breakfast person. Lunch - typically grilled half chicken (El Pollo Loco four piece chicken only no sides no tortillas large diet Coke for here please!) Dinner - typically grilled salmon, chicken, or occasional steak, with caesar salad and broccoli, often a grilled or boiled shrimp appetizer. Snacks - I love cheese, but try to keep it to max 4oz/day. Olives are a great snack for me. If I'm actually hungry at night I usually nuke a package of brussels sprouts w/butter. My mainstay substitution for lunch/dinner is an entree chicken caesar salad - that's the thing I can count on getting almost anywhere, without having to worry too much about carby ingredients. Probably half those lunch/dinner choices are actually salads, most of them chicken caesar. That's just the backbone of my diet - if I'm out with friends or feel like something else there's no problem incorporating other food, so there's actually a lot more variety than it sounds. I average ~1300 calories/day, about 20g carbs all from vegetables. I've lost 85 lbs since last August, and am about 40 from goal. KeS > i'm new to trying to eat low carb and i was wondering what some of you eat > in an average day? > what do you normally have for breakfast, lunch, dinner? ============================= While stirct LCing I had bacon, sausage patties or eggs for breakfast. Pretty greasy fare actually when there's no bread to go with it. Coffee w/milk and Sweet & Low. Lunch was usually another meal of mainly some kind of meat or eggs (boiled or fried), with a side dish of raw mushrooms and sliced cucumber or celery sticks. Yes I like celery. Sometimes a slice or two of tomato (a bit carby). Sometimes canned fish instead of meat (canned mackerel, tuna or salmon) or cheese. When I was away from the house a hamburger without the bun and salad which I never liked. I'm just no salad eater so didn't enjoy that very much. Or I'd order a baked fish plate and tell them to hold the "fries." Some restaurants in my area now have low-carb lunch plates. Some days lunch was 2 hard boiled eggs and celery sticks. Herbal tea w/Sweet & Low. Some days lunch was more (cold leftover) sausages or bacon. I didn't always have time to cook my lunch. Dinner was always heavy on meat, fish or chicken and low carb veggies. The veggies we ate the most were string and wax beans, cauliflower, broccoli, summer squash, asparagus, mushrooms and all types of greens. Note thought that these low-carb veggies may be healthy but they are not filling. I had to depend on meat to keep from being hungry all the time. The things I gave up from my normal diet were: Bagels, whole wheat bread, rice dishes, potatoes, peas, pasta dishes, corn, lima beans, all "dry" beans, all cereals such as Quaker Oats, Fiber One which I love. Giving up the occasional "treat" such as a piece of pie or potato chips was no hardship. I lost 46 lbs the first 5 months, then hit a permanent plateau. I then gave up nuts, cheese, caffinated coffee & diet soda. By the end of the 2 year plateau there was nothing left to give up but the meat and veggies..... I gave up the diet instead and switched to Weight Watcher LC. Atkins does become a restricted, portion controlled low calorie diet for many people. Don't believe everything you've read in his books.  SignatureWysong Age 60. Height 5'6" Starting date: 1/8/05 171/ 165 / 140 lb Starting date LC 7/01 at 207lbs Stopped losing on LC 11/01 at 165lbs ========================================== Crap - I forgot to get my official stamp of approval and sign the little document promising only to have thoughts that conform to the official ASDLC guidelines. I hate it when that happens. (credit Sophie) ~~<~~<~~{@ ~~<~~<~~{@ ~~<~~<~~{@ > veggies we ate the most were string and wax beans, cauliflower, broccoli, > summer squash, asparagus, mushrooms and all types of greens. Note thought > that these low-carb veggies may be healthy but they are not filling. I had ...says the person complaining that she couldn't eat more than 3/4 cup of them... KeS > > veggies we ate the most were string and wax beans, cauliflower, broccoli, > > summer squash, asparagus, mushrooms and all types of greens. Note thought > > that these low-carb veggies may be healthy but they are not filling. I had > > ...says the person complaining that she couldn't eat more than 3/4 cup of > them... ========================= Did I say I ate 2 or 3 or 4 cups of them per sitting? Where? Sure I can eat maybe 2 cups if I don't eat anything else for dinner. A lot of people on this NG seem to keep confusing posters. I wonder why that is? SignatureWysong Age 60. Height 5'6" Starting date: 1/8/05 171/ 165 / 140 lb Starting date LC 7/01 at 207lbs Stopped losing on LC 11/01 at 165lbs ========================================== Crap - I forgot to get my official stamp of approval and sign the little document promising only to have thoughts that conform to the official ASDLC guidelines. I hate it when that happens. (credit Sophie) ~~<~~<~~{@ ~~<~~<~~{@ ~~<~~<~~{@ > X-No-Archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > of people on this NG seem to keep confusing posters. I wonder why > that is? :) > X-No-Archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > healthy but they are not filling. I had to depend on meat to keep > from being hungry all the time. 3 cups of broccoli is not filling? I thought you couldn't eat that much. I told you you ate too much meat and not enough veggies. :) And what's wrong with a little hunger? > The things I gave up from my normal diet were: Bagels, whole wheat > bread, rice dishes, potatoes, peas, pasta dishes, corn, lima beans, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > nothing left to give up but the meat and veggies..... I gave up the > diet instead and switched to Weight Watcher LC. You were just eating too much of everything. That's why you had to give up everything you loved...you loved everything and pigged out on everything. > Atkins does become a restricted, portion controlled low calorie diet > for many people. Don't believe everything you've read in his books. > > X-No-Archive: yes > > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > healthy but they are not filling. I had to depend on meat to keep > > from being hungry all the time. ============================================= > 3 cups of broccoli is not filling? I thought you couldn't eat that much. ## I thought you couldn't either? I wasn't on a vegetarian diet - were you? > I told you you ate too much meat and not enough veggies. :) ## Yep! I didn't know Atkins and low-carb diets were vegetarian diets with a bite or two of meat. :-))) > And what's wrong with a little hunger? ## Nothing, as long as it's not all the time, every day, day after day after day.... > > The things I gave up from my normal diet were: Bagels, whole wheat > > bread, rice dishes, potatoes, peas, pasta dishes, corn, lima beans, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > nothing left to give up but the meat and veggies..... I gave up the > > diet instead and switched to Weight Watcher LC. > You were just eating too much of everything. That's why you had to give up > everything you loved...you loved everything and pigged out on everything. ## Yep! I consumed so much, and pigged out so much that I was *losing* up to 2 1/2 lbs some weeks! ;-) > > Atkins does become a restricted, portion controlled low calorie diet > > for many people. Don't believe everything you've read in his books. SignatureWysong Age 60. Height 5'6" Starting date: 1/8/05 171/ 165 / 140 lb Starting date LC 7/01 at 207lbs Stopped losing on LC 11/01 at 165lbs ========================================== Crap - I forgot to get my official stamp of approval and sign the little document promising only to have thoughts that conform to the official ASDLC guidelines. I hate it when that happens. (credit Sophie) ~~<~~<~~{@ ~~<~~<~~{@ ~~<~~<~~{@ > Atkins does become a restricted, portion controlled low calorie diet for > many people. Don't believe everything you've read in his books. um, the point is to be restricted, isnt it? fix the imbalance and all that? i find it interesting that you say not to believe everything in his books? what exactly do you disagree with, and furthermore, what credentials do you have that can substantiate that suspicion? im very curious to what you think isnt valid... as far as ive been experimenting with atkins over the past 82lbs and few years, he seems to have a very valid point. the science behind sugar causing all my panic attacks was extremely dead on. the theory about sugar and starches being allergies versus just other foods was dead on. the idea that 15000 years ago we killed it, cooked it and ate it made a lot of sense... and looking back through history it seems the man is right; this is the richest we as humans have ever eaten, with sugars and refined products...its no wonder we're all in a state of panic with the diabetic epidemic in this country. please, let me know what exactly you speak of, id like to do a bit of thinking on the topic. -tia > > Atkins does become a restricted, portion controlled low calorie diet for > > many people. Don't believe everything you've read in his books. > > um, the point is to be restricted, isnt it? fix the imbalance and all that? # Ummm,... have you read the Atkins books? What imbalance? Not everyone who is overweight got there gobbling cake and chips floating in cheese sauce or stuffing sugar laden donuts down their throats. There are several of us on these NG who developed a weight problem due to other medical conditions. We were otherwise thin to average all our lives. > i find it interesting that you say not to believe everything in his books? # Well, why should I? He's not God. Not everyone reaches goal weight following the simple advice to eat all those chops, steaks, gravies, salads etc. and give up the cakes, pies, rice and other carby foods. I didn't get the impression from his book that his is a vegetarian type of diet either. Please read chapter #1 of his "New Diet Revolution" book. However, I see that seems to be the case here with a lot of posters. They're very heavy on veggies and salads. A word on salads. Some of us DESPISE salad. Even as a kid I hated it and would not eat it although I loved all veggies and all fruit. Part of the problem is some people dislike salad dressings and/or vinegar so eat it plain, or with some cheese sprinkled over it. It's still tasteless to us. I personally can't eat one more salad. > what exactly do you disagree with, and furthermore, what credentials do you > have that can substantiate that suspicion? # What do YOU agree with in his books and why? What credentials do you have to substantiate it's validity? If it worked and we all reached our goal weight on salads, some veggies and all those meats he advises obesity would be a thing of the past. Too many hit these plateaus and that's that! Then it's on to the calorie counting, measuring...... im very curious to what you > think isnt valid... # Tell us about all those SUMPTUOUS steaks, chops and gravies he talks about..... and not having to count calories, how you can eat MORE then before you started his diet and watch the fat melt off. as far as ive been experimenting with atkins over the > past 82lbs and few years, he seems to have a very valid point. # Until you no longer lose weight on his plan. And at some point that seems to happen to most people - UNLESS they drop the plan and start counting calories, weighing and measuring everything they eat, becoming near vegetarians, keeping tract - just like any other low calorie diet. Everyone I knew who tried these low-carb diets did indeed lose weight, some a lot of weight, but then the "stall" or plateau hits - like running into a brick wall. the science > behind sugar causing all my panic attacks was extremely dead on. # I never said sugar wasn't bad for people. Natural sugars in things like fruit are not harmful. the theory > about sugar and starches being allergies versus just other foods was dead > on. # I didn't say it wasn't. I agree that donuts, breads, cookies, greasy fries and other garbage is just that - garbage! It's not anatural food for human beings no more than a bowl of oatmeal would be for a dog or cat. the idea that 15000 years ago we killed it, cooked it and ate it made a > lot of sense... # I didn't say it didn't make sense, did I? I *DID* say at some point the Atkins diet becomes like all other diets where calories must be counted and food weighed and measured. I never mentioned sugar and trash-foods. Also from what I learned about human evolution man was mainly a vegetarian BEFORE he became a hunter gatherer. Going back before we learned to hunt and kill we (and our teeth prove it) were eaters of fruit, nuts, berries, seeds, roots/tubers, greens and probably insects, small lizards and bird's eggs. Our teeth show they did not evolve for shearing meats. Look at a dog's or cat's teeth for a good comparison. and looking back through history it seems the man is right; > this is the richest we as humans have ever eaten, with sugars and refined > products...its no wonder we're all in a state of panic with the diabetic > epidemic in this country. # I am not diabetic and was never on a high "sugar" diet so I can't relate to that. Here again, what kind of diet were diabetics on when they developed their disease? Every diabetic I know personally (adult onset) was overweight and *ALL* were fond of high carb foods! Do you know any who weren't? please, let me know what exactly you speak of, id > like to do a bit of thinking on the topic. # Please see above. At first following the low-carb (in my case I didn't have to give up pies, cookies, fries, donuts etc as they were not a part of my normal diet) almost everyone loses weight quickly - then when you STOP losing the weight, it becomes like all other diets - you have to start counting calories, weighing and measuring your food. THAT was my point. SignatureWysong Age 60. Height 5'6" Starting date: 1/8/05 171/ 165 / 140 lb Starting date LC 7/01 at 207lbs Stopped losing on LC 11/01 at 165lbs ========================================== Crap - I forgot to get my official stamp of approval and sign the little document promising only to have thoughts that conform to the official ASDLC guidelines. I hate it when that happens. (credit Sophie) ~~<~~<~~{@ ~~<~~<~~{@ ~~<~~<~~{@ > # Please see above. At first following the low-carb (in my case I > didn't have to give up pies, cookies, fries, donuts etc as they were > not a part of my normal diet) almost everyone loses weight quickly - > then when you STOP losing the weight, it becomes like all other diets > - you have to start counting calories, weighing and measuring your > food. THAT was my point. There are plenty of people who manage to lose weight effectively (all the way to goal) who don't count calories. They show up right here in this ng all of the time. You just have to ask. > > # Please see above. At first following the low-carb (in my case I > > didn't have to give up pies, cookies, fries, donuts etc as they were > > not a part of my normal diet) almost everyone loses weight quickly - > > then when you STOP losing the weight, it becomes like all other diets > > - you have to start counting calories, weighing and measuring your > > food. THAT was my point. =================== > There are plenty of people who manage to lose weight effectively (all the > way to goal) who don't count calories. ## And there are plenty of people who must start to count, measure and in the end end up on low-calorie diets. They show up right here in this ng > all of the time. You just have to ask. ## And so do the others but they're quickly silenced now I see......... SignatureWysong Age 60. Height 5'6" Starting date: 1/8/05 171/ 165 / 140 lb Starting date LC 7/01 at 207lbs Stopped losing on LC 11/01 at 165lbs ========================================== Crap - I forgot to get my official stamp of approval and sign the little document promising only to have thoughts that conform to the official ASDLC guidelines. I hate it when that happens. (credit Sophie) ~~<~~<~~{@ ~~<~~<~~{@ ~~<~~<~~{@ FFS EXERCIZE! force your goddamn body out of stasis lol... you dont have to quit eating, but get up the goddamn couch! Signature_____________________________ This be Tia's SIG!!! YAY! > X-No-Archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > ## And so do the others but they're quickly silenced now I see......... > FFS EXERCIZE! force your goddamn body out of stasis lol... you dont have to > quit eating, but get up the goddamn couch! -==================== How many times I do have to REPEAT that I not only do all the house and yard work (1 acre) but I also walk between 1.5 and 3 miles a day on a 4% grade at 3 to 3.2 MPH? How many times ita? Maybe YOU need to get off your a.s, off your computer and exercise more! SignatureWysong Age 60. Height 5'6" Starting date: 1/8/05 171/ 165 / 140 lb Starting date LC 7/01 at 207lbs Stopped losing on LC 11/01 at 165lbs ========================================== NOW WALKING 1.5 to 3 MILES DAY. ========================================== Crap - I forgot to get my official stamp of approval and sign the little document promising only to have thoughts that conform to the official ASDLC guidelines. I hate it when that happens. (credit Sophie) ~~<~~<~~{@ ~~<~~<~~{@ ~~<~~<~~{@ im not the one complaining that im not losing weight. in fact, when im not sitting in hospitals, i run with my husband, who is active duty military. it works. Signature_____________________________ This be Tia's SIG!!! YAY! > X-No-Archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > a.s, > off your computer and exercise more! oh..and you repeated it in a few posts, all in the same go around, i guess, cuz ive been reading your posts with vim and vigor and havent heard about it until now. dont forget, im prolly a week old to this ng. Signature_____________________________ This be Tia's SIG!!! YAY! > X-No-Archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > a.s, > off your computer and exercise more! > X-No-Archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > ## And there are plenty of people who must start to count, measure > and in the end end up on low-calorie diets. For some, when weight loss stop, they just start eating less, so it never becomes necessary to count calories. For others, they like to track stuff, so they count calories without ever really needing to. They find it interesting to track stuff. > They show up right here in this ng >> all of the time. You just have to ask. > > ## And so do the others but they're quickly silenced now I > see......... Stop deluding yourself. People don't post just to prove something to you. > > X-No-Archive: yes > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >> There are plenty of people who manage to lose weight effectively > >> (all the way to goal) who don't count calories. > > ## And there are plenty of people who must start to count, measure > > and in the end end up on low-calorie diets. > For some, when weight loss stop, they just start eating less, so it never > becomes necessary to count calories. $$ Same difference - whether you count calories or keep cutting back and cutting back. You both end up on a low calorie diet in the end. > For others, they like to track stuff, so they count calories without ever > really needing to. They find it interesting to track stuff. $$ I noticed. > > They show up right here in this ng > >> all of the time. You just have to ask. > > ## And so do the others but they're quickly silenced now I > > see......... > Stop deluding yourself. People don't post just to prove something to you. $$ That's not what I said. SignatureWysong Age 60. Height 5'6" Starting date: 1/8/05 171/ 165 / 140 lb Starting date LC 7/01 at 207lbs Stopped losing on LC 11/01 at 165lbs ========================================== NOW WALKING 1.5 to 3 MILES DAY. ========================================== Crap - I forgot to get my official stamp of approval and sign the little document promising only to have thoughts that conform to the official ASDLC guidelines. I hate it when that happens. (credit Sophie) ~~<~~<~~{@ ~~<~~<~~{@ ~~<~~<~~{@ > X-No-Archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > $$ Same difference - whether you count calories or keep cutting back > and cutting back. You both end up on a low calorie diet in the end. No one loses weight without cutting calories. And a low-calorie diet is relative to the dieter. Signature_____________________________ This be Tia's SIG!!! YAY! > X-No-Archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 120 lines] > losing the weight, it becomes like all other diets - you have to start > counting calories, weighing and measuring your food. THAT was my point. honestly, i wish i had the time today to reply to you in the fashion that you're expecting. the one thing you probably didnt get from his book was the idea of stasis... (yes i have read it, 5 times this year alone as well as looking stuff up etc, and over the past few years) you claim that eventually you wont lose weight on atkins.. that is true, youre not the only one to say that. its like the scales of justice when you balance out the carbs and the proteins. eventually they will even out, where the body can maintain with what youre eating -- which by the way is the goal everyone's body has - stasis. once you hit stasis you have to make a choice... force your body out of stasis by either making it work harder or you eat less. i suspect that youre blaming the diet and not exercising enough (obviously because youre complaining of stasis) only because you mention eventually you have to eat less and less to lose weight and its all a low cal diet... well i can promise you this much, people that run 5 miles a day arent fat. as a matter of fact, i havent seen a distance runner that was. why? because their bodies are working much harder than ours to stay in this stasis, and they keep forcing their bodies out of it - therefore whatever they eat - trash or not, their bodies are desperately trying to use it for fuel. step up the exercise before you criticize the man. if you ever lost weight on his plan, he wasnt wrong. if it never worked, thats one thing. stasis is a hard concept, but you can keep the same level of eating if you just step up the workout. good luck, love :) Signature_____________________________ This be Tia's SIG!!! YAY! > "Wysong *~" <P@P> wrote in message >> > # Please see above. At first following the low-carb (in my case I didn't > > have to give up pies, cookies, fries, donuts etc as they were not a part > > of > > my normal diet) almost everyone loses weight quickly - then when you STOP > > losing the weight, it becomes like all other diets - you have to start > > counting calories, weighing and measuring your food. THAT was my point. ============== > honestly, i wish i had the time today to reply to you in the fashion that > you're expecting. the one thing you probably didnt get from his book was > the idea of stasis... (yes i have read it, 5 times this year alone as well > as looking stuff up etc, and over the past few years) > you claim that eventually you wont lose weight on atkins.. ## I know some people lose all the way to goal. But many do not! How many on this NG alone have reached goal without having to count, measure or weight their foods - or switch to mainly a diet of mostly low-carb veggies? I see some of the same people here that were here 3 years ago still TRYING to lose weight. Surely you didn't miss all the posts about cups and cups and cups of broccoli and other veggies. :-) that is true, > youre not the only one to say that. its like the scales of justice when you > balance out the carbs and the proteins. eventually they will even out, > where the body can maintain with what youre eating -- which by the way is > the goal everyone's body has - stasis. ## Of course I understand that, and to now lose weight I must drop my calories so much I start to suffer the symptoms of starvation itself, as I mentioned several time already. One of those symptoms can be deadly - the heart palpitations. once you hit stasis you have to make > a choice... force your body out of stasis by either making it work harder or > you eat less. i suspect that youre blaming the diet and not exercising > enough (obviously because youre complaining of stasis) only because you > mention eventually you have to eat less and less to lose weight and its all > a low cal diet... ## What choice have I got? To consume enough fiber I must eat large amounts of veggies at the cost of meat and fat. I can only hold so much food. What was left for me to give up? The veggies or the meat/fat? well i can promise you this much, people that run 5 miles > a day arent fat. as a matter of fact, i havent seen a distance runner that > was. why? because their bodies are working much harder than ours to stay > in this stasis, and they keep forcing their bodies out of it - therefore > whatever they eat - trash or not, their bodies are desperately trying to use > it for fuel. ## I wish I could run 5 miles a day. In fact maintaining is not a problem from me, never was - getting the damn lard off is the problem. > step up the exercise before you criticize the man. ## Where in Atkins book does it say one must exercise for many hours a day? Or must jog for miles and miles? I'm doing 1.5 to 3 miles a day now plus all the house work, shopping, cleaning..... what more can I do? If I could jog 5 miles a day like a young person I wouldn't need to be on diet at all. No one would need be on a diet. if you ever lost weight > on his plan, he wasnt wrong. ## He was WRONG in not telling people the diet would or could stop at any time, (and it does for so many people) which would necessitate a switch to an almost vegetarian low cal diet, or one would have to start to exercise in excess of 3 miles a day! Also, as the NYTimes online paper pointed out - at the end of a year the low carbers lost as much weight as people on other diets. Dropout rates were similar. if it never worked, thats one thing. stasis > is a hard concept, ## No it isn't. It's an easy concept to understand. but you can keep the same level of eating if you just > step up the workout. ## 3 miles is about my limit on the treadmill unless I win the Lottery and can hire household and yard help. :-) How many others on this NG are exercising at all? > good luck, love :) SignatureWysong Age 60. Height 5'6" Starting date: 1/8/05 171/ 165 / 140 lb Starting date LC 7/01 at 207lbs Stopped losing on LC 11/01 at 165lbs ========================================== Crap - I forgot to get my official stamp of approval and sign the little document promising only to have thoughts that conform to the official ASDLC guidelines. I hate it when that happens. (credit Sophie) ~~<~~<~~{@ ~~<~~<~~{@ ~~<~~<~~{@ i could cry.. if 3 miles is your limit on the treadmill - go 3 miles and 1 tenth. the next day go 3 miles and 2 tenths.. atkins says himself if you dont exercize you're not doing atkins. THIS IS NOT A DIET... they even call it a way of life because it does include exercize. food alone will not take the lard off. god, i love you but sometimes i just get so frustrated.... move.. your body was meant to do it! Signature_____________________________ This be Tia's SIG!!! YAY! >> "Wysong *~" <P@P> wrote in message >>> > # Please see above. At first following the low-carb (in my case I [quoted text clipped - 101 lines] > >> good luck, love :) > Surely you didn't miss all the posts about cups and cups > and cups of broccoli and other veggies. :-) As if that's a bad thing?! Get a grip. > ## Of course I understand that, and to now lose weight I must drop my > calories so much I start to suffer the symptoms of starvation itself, as I > mentioned several time already. One of those symptoms can be deadly - the > heart palpitations. As I've said to you before (with zero response), your so-called starvation symptoms sound more like hypoglycemia to me. BTDT, cured it with a low-carb diet. Realize, Wysong, that many people have a somewhat deranged endocrine system and even though not diabetic, do not handle carbohydrates well, in that their characteristic hormonal milieau (insulin dominant) does not allow them to effectively use their fat and protein stores as an energy source. So when they cut way back on food, they go all hypo. Heart rate abnormalities and palpitations are common when your body overproduces "stress hormones" like adreneline, which it typically does in the face of low or rapidly dropping blood sugar. The cure usually involves cutting way back on carbs, especially stuff like that brown sugar and all those carby foods you have been craving. And for many, this adaptation doesn't happen quickly. I continue to recommend to you that you read Dr. Schwarzbein, an endocrinologist who advocates a low-carb diet, among other things. > I'm doing 1.5 to 3 miles a day now plus > all the house work, shopping, cleaning..... what more can I do? If I > could jog 5 miles a day like a young person I wouldn't need to be on diet at > all. No one would need be on a diet. None of what you are doing is anywhere near high-intensity. You don't need to put in tons of mileage if you do something higher intensity. Maybe you can't run 5 miles, but you could probably work up to some short sprints during your daily mile or three. Or do some steep hills, or use a stairstepper. Crank up the incline to the max on your treadmill. More importantly, learn to do some serious weight lifting. It's great for older folks, both for keeping the metabolism reved and for halting bone mineral loss. Note: All this has been recommended to you before, but you never comment. Just keep complaining, and complaining. One would think you just want to do what you want to do and then complain about why you aren't getting the results you want. HG. One would think you just want to do > what you want to do and then complain about why you aren't getting the > results you want. > > HG. maybe shes lonely and this gives her something to talk about? Signature_____________________________ This be Tia's SIG!!! YAY! > > Surely you didn't miss all the posts about cups and cups > > and cups of broccoli and other veggies. :-) > > As if that's a bad thing?! Get a grip. $$ Did I say it was a BAD thing? How many other diets don't include veggies? Most even include fruit. > > ## Of course I understand that, and to now lose weight I must drop my > > calories so much I start to suffer the symptoms of starvation itself, as I > > mentioned several time already. One of those symptoms can be deadly - the > > heart palpitations. > As I've said to you before (with zero response), your so-called starvation > symptoms sound more like hypoglycemia to me. BTDT, cured it with a low-carb [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > them to effectively use their fat and protein stores as an energy source. So > when they cut way back on food, they go all hypo. $$ That's possible, but I can't run down to the clinic when this happens for blood work. My bi-yearly blood work is always normal. Heart rate abnormalities > and palpitations are common when your body overproduces "stress hormones" > like adreneline, which it typically does in the face of low or rapidly > dropping blood sugar. $$ Of course it would rapidly DROP on the low-carb diet I was on for 1 1/2 years. > The cure usually involves cutting way back on carbs, especially stuff like > that brown sugar and all those carby foods you have been craving. $$ I didn't use brown sugar at that time. I was on the LC diet. So you believe when someone likes a food it's a CRAVING? You must have missed many of my posts. And for > many, this adaptation doesn't happen quickly. I continue to recommend to you > that you read Dr. Schwarzbein, an endocrinologist who advocates a low-carb > diet, among other things. $$ Dr's contradict each other all the time. I don't take any of them as gospel truths. > > I'm doing 1.5 to 3 miles a day now plus > > all the house work, shopping, cleaning..... what more can I do? If I > > could jog 5 miles a day like a young person I wouldn't need to be on diet > at > > all. No one would need be on a diet. > None of what you are doing is anywhere near high-intensity. You don't need > to put in tons of mileage if you do something higher intensity. Maybe you > can't run 5 miles, but you could probably work up to some short sprints > during your daily mile or three. $$ Geeze, so now it's becoming a low-carb, low-calorie, high-veggie and HIGH INTENSITY exercise diet. Is everyone on the NG doing these sprints and/or running several miles a day to lose weight? It sure is getting farther and farther away from the Atkins diet. Or do some steep hills, or use a > stairstepper. Crank up the incline to the max on your treadmill. More > importantly, learn to do some serious weight lifting. It's great for older > folks, both for keeping the metabolism reved and for halting bone mineral > loss. $$ Is that what everyone here is doing to lose on a LC diet? Is that what the Atkins foundation now recommends? What about those of us who already tried that bullshit and lost nothing? I went to the gym in town, despised over minute I was there and lost 1 lb those 6 months. I hate going to the gym. It's far from my house, it's expensive, they blare heavy rock music, and the place smells like a dirty locker room. Not thanks. > Note: All this has been recommended to you before, but you never comment. $$ Because the rest of you never comment on what I write! You don't seem to SEE what I write and I get tired of answering the same questions and comments over and over again. How many of you are going to gyms, running miles a day, eating high veggie diets - to lose weight on Atkins? To lose those initial 46 lbs all I did was walk a few times a week - 2 miles per day. Now suddenly I need the gym, weight lifting, running/sprinting etc.? > Just keep complaining, and complaining. One would think you just want to do > what you want to do and then complain about why you aren't getting the > results you want. $$ One would think I should do everything you people suggest like before - with no results. You missed those posts too? You tell me how long a senior is going to last with all this intensive expertise, strength training, running on 1000 to 1200 calories a day? LCing no less, trying to do it on fat and protein. What qualifies you to give someone my age that kind of advice? There is nothing about this intensive workout and running for seniors in the Atkins book. SignatureWysong Age 60. Height 5'6" Starting date: 1/8/05 171/ 165 / 140 lb Starting date LC 7/01 at 207lbs Stopped losing on LC 11/01 at 165lbs ========================================== NOW WALKING 1.5 to 3 MILES DAY. ========================================== Crap - I forgot to get my official stamp of approval and sign the little document promising only to have thoughts that conform to the official ASDLC guidelines. I hate it when that happens. (credit Sophie) ~~<~~<~~{@ ~~<~~<~~{@ ~~<~~<~~{@ $$ Geeze, so now it's becoming a low-carb, low-calorie, high-veggie and HIGH INTENSITY exercise diet. Is everyone on the NG doing these sprints and/or running several miles a day to lose weight? It sure is getting farther and farther away from the Atkins diet. bullshit. if youre not exercizing, you're not doing atkins. read the OTHER half of the book. people are doing what they have to so they get out of stasis...;p Signature_____________________________ This be Tia's SIG!!! YAY! >> > Surely you didn't miss all the posts about cups and cups >> > and cups of broccoli and other veggies. :-) [quoted text clipped - 115 lines] > advice? There is nothing about this intensive workout and running for > seniors in the Atkins book. Hi Tia, Wysong earned the nick "Whine Song"/ "Whinesong" 3 years ago. Now you know why. :-) Have a good day, Carmen SignaturePlease note change in Reply To address carmensrt <at> gmail <dot> com Hotmail isn't working and is being abandoned > $$ That's possible, but I can't run down to the clinic when this happens > for blood work. My bi-yearly blood work is always normal. Hmmm... yep, I see a decided lack of interest in actually improving your situation. Wysong, it's likely that it is specifically the types of foods you were eating while eating very low calorie that were causing your problems. You're very likely insulin resistant to some degree. When you dropped calories way down, your body was still producing too much insulin, instead of going glucagon-dominant enough to be able to live comfortably off your meager meals and body fat. People with well-functioning endocrine systems will adapt to a very low calorie diet after a few days and won't experience the symptoms you described, at least not for a long while when they deplete body reserves and actual starvation sets in. People on low-carb diets often approximate that condition by cutting way back on the foods that stimulate insulin production, so that they are better able to utilize fat reserves. It also allows them to do that without a lot of discomfort. It wouldn't help you that much to run to the clinic, as many if not most low blood sugar symptoms (in non-insulin dependent folks) are related as much to rapidity of drop of blood glucose as to the actual glucose concentration in the blood. Clinics aren't well equipped to evaluate that. The best approach is to experiment with your diet. I don't know that you have either the motivation or mindset to do that, however. > $$ Of course it would rapidly DROP on the low-carb diet I was on for 1 1/2 > years. Actually, Wysong, a low-carb diet typically stabilizes low blood sugar symptoms for most people (as it does high blood sugar ie. diabetes for many NIDDM patients). It rarely causes or worsens reactive hypoglycemia, usually quite the opposite. > > that you read Dr. Schwarzbein, an endocrinologist who advocates a low-carb > > diet, among other things. > > $$ Dr's contradict each other all the time. I don't take any of them as > gospel truths. Oh Gawd! You really do NOT want help, do you? Fine, stay fat and miserable as you are, just keep it somewhere else than asdl-c, 'kay? > $$ Geeze, so now it's becoming a low-carb, low-calorie, high-veggie and > HIGH INTENSITY exercise diet. Is everyone on the NG doing these sprints > and/or running several miles a day to lose weight? It sure is getting > farther and farther away from the Atkins diet. Well, sure, it's nice to go for a little 1--2 mile amble, maybe even a brisk walk, and think you've got your exercise in. But most people need to stress their systems with exercise a bit more to get full benefit. They put real geriatric men and women on a little weight lifting program and the benefits to them, even those in their 70's, 80's were phenomenal. Far more than if they'd just shuffled a mile or so. But... if you don't wanna, you won't get the benefits. It's completely up to you. > $$ Is that what everyone here is doing to lose on a LC diet? Is that what > the Atkins foundation now recommends? What about those of us who already > tried that bullshit and lost nothing? I went to the gym in town, despised > over minute I was there and lost 1 lb those 6 months. I hate going to the > gym. It's far from my house, it's expensive, they blare heavy rock music, > and the place smells like a dirty locker room. Not thanks. Most people (not all) who get to their goal weight do exercise. Exercise is quite important in increasing insulin sensitivity, too, so is pretty important for the folks who are insulin resistant. > $$ Because the rest of you never comment on what I write! Bwahahahahah. Get a freakin grip! You get more comments than anyone else here! I'll admit there are probably more than a few who tired of your bs and plonked you. I'm about to that point myself, as it's clear you don't want help, just to bitch and whine. > toTo lose > those initial 46 lbs all I did was walk a few times a week - 2 miles per > day. Now suddenly I need the gym, weight lifting, running/sprinting etc.? Well, if you don't try you'll never know. Everybody needs to do something to increase their calorie deficit as they lose weight, because just from weight loss your caloric needs keep declining. So... you can keep eating less, or exercise more. Or both. Most choose both. It's sort of the Law of Dieting and applies to every dieting program out there. It's the basis of WW's point allowances and exercise point stuff. > $$ One would think I should do everything you people suggest like before - > with no results. You missed those posts too? You tell me how long a senior [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > advice? There is nothing about this intensive workout and running for > seniors in the Atkins book. Number one, you work up to it. Duh. You're only 60? Well, I'm a whole 2 years behind you and I do all that stuff. You wouldn't believe the hills I cycle. And I lift weights. And do yoga. But then... I have a brain and I use it. What's your excuse? HG wysong wrote: >> toTo lose >> those initial 46 lbs all I did was walk a few times a week - 2 miles per >> day. Now suddenly I need the gym, weight lifting, running/sprinting > etc.? YES. whatever you were doing lost you 46lbs. then your body got used to that...you hit stasis. end of story. if you dont step it up - aint nuthin gonna work fer ya, darlin <--thats texan for get off your a.s. Signature_____________________________ This be Tia's SIG!!! YAY! > Number one, you work up to it. Duh. You're only 60? Well, I'm a whole 2 > years behind you and I do all that stuff. You wouldn't believe the hills I [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > HG heh, my moms up to 63 and while she wont run because shes convinced its bad for her knees - she does low impact aerobics and can out walk me in distance. if you dont want to do the gym/weights/whatever, increase your distance. walk 5 miles if you can do 3. as for what her excuse is... dont ask that :( shes got quite a few. hopefully she'll just listen without right away finding a counter for everything. the ones replying to her obviously did something right; we're losing weight. no reason why she cant. she wants to cut back on calories, fine, but theres a balance one has strike.. oh well.. shell always be overweight until she figures that out. > heh, my moms up to 63 and while she wont run because shes convinced its bad > for her knees - she does low impact aerobics and can out walk me in > distance. if you dont want to do the gym/weights/whatever, increase your > distance. walk 5 miles if you can do 3. Your mom sounds like she's doing great. I'd agree that running can sometimes cause injuries. I don't run any more because I have recurring back injuries. Yoga keeps it under control - pain free - but I'm afraid the stress of running would be likely to compress discs enough to possibly cause a problem. Still, at some point with walking you reach a point that it is not elevating your heart rate any more. So you need to do something more intense. Just adding mileage really doesn't do that. Low impact aerobics, using a stair stepper or hiking hills, lifting weights - these can add intensity without resorting to running. HG I have found this to be almost true in my case. Still have anxiety issues, but very rarely will I have a full blown panic attack. There are other issues that trigger attacks in play, but I will say they have been cut down dramatically due to cutting out the sugar and refined carbs. SignatureLisa 208/146.5/140-145 High weight in 2004: 228 Low-carb since June 2004 . the science > behind sugar causing all my panic attacks was extremely dead on. i have panic when i have very stressful things going on, but rarely do they last as long as they did before.. or come on like they did before.... its nice to know somebody else knows the hell of panic attacks :( Signature_____________________________ This be Tia's SIG!!! YAY! >I have found this to be almost true in my case. Still have anxiety issues, >but very rarely will I have a full blown panic attack. There are other [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > . the science >> behind sugar causing all my panic attacks was extremely dead on. I've discovered that I tend to hold my breath a lot..I mean in stupid situations like washing dishes, or typing out a lot of email, or writing in front of people. That alone can screw around with brain chemicals and blood sugar levels which in turn can cause an attack. I think the most uncomfortable attacks I've had are nocturnal...where right before I drift off, I'll have an attack, or wake up in the middle of the night, having one. Look for books written by the late Claire Weeks. Very informational, explains the mechanics of a panic attack. I hope your stresses lift soon. Lisa >i have panic when i have very stressful things going on, but rarely do they >last as long as they did before.. or come on like they did before.... its [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> . the science >>> behind sugar causing all my panic attacks was extremely dead on. > I've discovered that I tend to hold my breath a lot..I mean in stupid > situations like washing dishes, or typing out a lot of email, or writing > in front of people. That alone can screw around with brain chemicals and > blood sugar levels which in turn can cause an attack. yup -- exactly. my husband and i take turns telling each other to breathe - we both forget. > I think the most uncomfortable attacks I've had are nocturnal...where > right before I drift off, I'll have an attack, or wake up in the middle of > the night, having one. thank god i havent been woken up to one. usually when im away from whatever stressor at night, its at least enough to get a few breaths in. i would, however, grind my teeth a lot. that would wake up my husband... and at night theyre worse for him as far as frequency. once i quit the anxiety/antidepressants (paxil) oddly enough i quit grinding ;/ > Look for books written by the late Claire Weeks. Very informational, > explains the mechanics of a panic attack. > > I hope your stresses lift soon. > > Lisa thanks for the advice. i think my mom recommended that author before, as she too was suffering from this sh.t for years. people that dont have them just cant possibly understand. i hope things go well for you too, its nice having somebody that i really know can comprehend how i feel. -tia Signature_____________________________ This be Tia's SIG!!! YAY! >>i have panic when i have very stressful things going on, but rarely do >>they last as long as they did before.. or come on like they did before.... [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >>> . the science >>>> behind sugar causing all my panic attacks was extremely dead on. FFS SignatureNow piss off. You cannot possibly be this stupid and remember to breathe. You must be trolling. -- Carmen >> I've discovered that I tend to hold my breath a lot..I mean in stupid >> situations like washing dishes, or typing out a lot of email, or writing [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] >>>> . the science >>>>> behind sugar causing all my panic attacks was extremely dead on. > i have panic when i have very stressful things going on, but rarely do they > last as long as they did before.. or come on like they did before.... its > nice to know somebody else knows the hell of panic attacks :( Tia, there are oodles of folks who are/were on this ng who had panic attacks. Me included. Almost everybody has reported either complete remission of symptoms, or definite improvement. Mine appear to have been related to hypoglycemia, which LC controls very nicely. Not that your doctor will ever tell you this, as he pumps you full of pills... lol! Yes, it was hell. Only those who have been through a series of full-blown panic attacks can understand. I'm so glad it worked for you, too. HG > Yes, it was hell. Only those who have been through a series of full-blown > panic attacks can understand. I'm so glad it worked for you, too. > > HG im *really* sorry you had to go thru them too. mom was telling me for years it was sugar. so for years i didnt eat candy or chocolate...... sigh. heh. i found a special breathing technique that let me not react to them but it didnt stop in frequency until i found lc. now i get the adrenaline, just no attack... well... if i do its not like before or as long. im glad youre over them too. tia Signature_____________________________ This be Tia's SIG!!! YAY! Did you read the FAQ? SignatureMost people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW > i'm new to trying to eat low carb and i was wondering what some of you eat > in an average day? > what do you normally have for breakfast, lunch, dinner? i love you JC. Learn how to quote. SignatureMost people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW >i love you JC. mon ami, its not a lack of knowing how.. its a lack of giving a sh.t. > mon ami, its not a lack of knowing how.. its a lack of giving a sh.t. Tia, you need to start quoting the posts to which you are responding -- I have NO idea to whom you are speaking or what you are talking about because there is no context other than the subject line. Once I read a post, it's marked read and disappears, so I'm not looking at a long thread unless I haven't read it yet or I feel like putting in the effort of Googling it. SignatureSaffire 205/144/125 - 5'1.5" Atkins since 6/14/03 Progress photo: http://photos.yahoo.com/saffire333 > mon ami, its not a lack of knowing how.. its a lack of giving a sh.t. ================= Now there's an honest answer if ever I heard one! :-)) SignatureWysong Age 60. Height 5'6" Starting date: 1/8/05 171/ 165 / 140 lb Starting date LC 7/01 at 207lbs Stopped losing on LC 11/01 at 165lbs ========================================== Crap - I forgot to get my official stamp of approval and sign the little document promising only to have thoughts that conform to the official ASDLC guidelines. I hate it when that happens. (credit Sophie) ~~<~~<~~{@ ~~<~~<~~{@ ~~<~~<~~{@ yea yea yea, im using OE now. i was using google before. Signature_____________________________ This be Tia's SIG!!! YAY! > X-No-Archive: yes > >> mon ami, its not a lack of knowing how.. its a lack of giving a sh.t. > ================= > Now there's an honest answer if ever I heard one! :-)) yes i did. i was just asking what most people here tend to eat. i hate to cook so i ususally tend to go for what's easiest to make, a habit i'm trying to break. > Did you read the FAQ? > >> i'm new to trying to eat low carb and i was wondering what some of you >> eat in an average day? >> what do you normally have for breakfast, lunch, dinner? i totally agree, sullen. i personally love cooking, but despise dishes. plus, its oftentimes difficult to always get the fresh ingredients (not to mention expensive) and its so much easier to just go prepacked or fast these days.... i do want to mention that i can barely afford to eat this way at times. another reason im eating very infrequently -- we just plain cant afford it very well. while its horrible for you, a weeks worth of pasta is a few dollars... heh. a weeks worth of protein and fresh veggies - considerably higher Signature_____________________________ This be Tia's SIG!!! YAY! > yes i did. i was just asking what most people here tend to eat. i hate > to cook so i ususally tend to go for what's easiest to make, a habit i'm [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >>> eat in an average day? >>> what do you normally have for breakfast, lunch, dinner? Try aged cheddar and summer sausage. SignatureEat less, exercise more. -- MFW -- > yes i did. i was just asking what most people here tend to eat. i hate > to cook so i ususally tend to go for what's easiest to make, a habit i'm [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >>> eat in an average day? >>> what do you normally have for breakfast, lunch, dinner? |
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