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What can be used as a thickener in cooking?

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MaryL - 12 Feb 2005 00:38 GMT
Does anyone have suggestions of something to use as a thickener in cooking?
My mother always used flour or cornstarch, and occasionally tapioca
(depending on the item).  All of those should be avoided with low-carb.  Is
there anything to replace them?  What about ground flax seed?  Would that
work, and would it change the flavor or texture?  I have diabetes, and I am
not on a true low-carb diet.  I follow South Beach (which emphasizes "good
carbs"), but I also completely avoid flour of any kind, added sugar, rice,
and pasta.

Thanks,
MaryL
Bev-Ann - 12 Feb 2005 01:07 GMT
Guar or xanthan gum will thicken like cornstarch.  I don't use guar so
don't know the proportions, but it takes about 1 teaspoon of xanthan gum to
thickens 1 cup of liquid.  I think guar has about the same thickening power
and is supposed to be less expensive.  They clump easily, though, so should
be added to a dry ingredient instead of mixed with water first.  For
example, if you are adding salt at the end of cooking, mix the salt and
xanthan together in a small cup, then sprinkle on the food while whisking
vigorously.  If it does clump, continuing to whisk will eventually get it
to dissolve.  The really nice thing about them is the food doesn't have to
be hot.  It'll work in cold food too.
If you can afford it, there are gum mixtures that you can buy that work
very well and rarely clump.  I use ThickenThin not/Starch but it's very
expensive.  It's sold in diabetic specialty stores where I live.

on Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:38:08 -0600, "MaryL"
<carstan101@yahoo.comTAKE-OUT-THE-LITTER> wrote:

>Does anyone have suggestions of something to use as a thickener in cooking?
>My mother always used flour or cornstarch, and occasionally tapioca
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>carbs"), but I also completely avoid flour of any kind, added sugar, rice,
>and pasta.

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Bev
JS - 12 Feb 2005 01:47 GMT
Depending on what you are thickening, I have a few suggestions.

For a red sauce, spaghetti sauce and such, at the end of cooking add a few
tablespoons of tomato paste, thickens like a charm.

For an alfredo or white sauce, adding a few tablespoons of parmesan cheese
near the end of cooking thickens the sauce.

For a soup, I usually mix 1-2 tablespoons of soy flour with butter, mix it
together well then put into the soup.  It works great.

> Does anyone have suggestions of something to use as a thickener in
> cooking? My mother always used flour or cornstarch, and occasionally
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> Thanks,
> MaryL
nanner - 12 Feb 2005 03:15 GMT
> Depending on what you are thickening, I have a few suggestions.
>
> For a red sauce, spaghetti sauce and such, at the end of cooking add a few
> tablespoons of tomato paste, thickens like a charm.

you should use the paste first when making sauce - and the sauce will be
thick - there is no reason you would ever need to add flour or something to
thicken tomato sauce.

brown garlic in olive oil - remove garlic, add some chopped celery w/greens
, then add tomato paste. If you wanna put beef in brown it with the celery
then add the paste. let the paste cook a bit, stir it, let it coat the meat
(if no meat let it blend with oil and turn more orange then red) then add
tomato puree (or crushed or whatever you use) if you do like 2 big cans of
puree add 1 can water (if you do 4 big cans do 1-2 cans water)  add your
basil, parsely, salt, pepper, bay leaf, whatever - and let it cook at least
2 hours (longer if there is meat - you don't want tough meat)

ok - there ya go.

> For an alfredo or white sauce, adding a few tablespoons of parmesan cheese
> near the end of cooking thickens the sauce.

i always used 1/4 cup flour coked with 1/4 cup butter before adding 2.5 cups
milk - cook till thick then add 1/2 cup grated parmesan, S & P. It thickens
before the cheese but dunno how to get the same effect with out the flour in
the beginning.  would the soy flour work?

> For a soup, I usually mix 1-2 tablespoons of soy flour with butter, mix it
> together well then put into the soup.  It works great.

>> Does anyone have suggestions of something to use as a thickener in
>> cooking? My mother always used flour or cornstarch, and occasionally
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>> Thanks,
>> MaryL
Hannah Gruen - 12 Feb 2005 12:57 GMT
> i always used 1/4 cup flour coked with 1/4 cup butter before adding 2.5 cups
> milk - cook till thick then add 1/2 cup grated parmesan, S & P. It thickens
> before the cheese but dunno how to get the same effect with out the flour in
> the beginning.  would the soy flour work?

I personally think soy flour is kinda nasty as a thickener, unless there is
a lot of other flavor to cover it up. Google the group and you'll find  lots
of recipes for Alfredo sauce that don't include a flour thickener. Xanthan
or guar gum are good thickeners, but with more of a cornstarch texture than
a flour one, and no carbs. You definitely don't need to use flour in alfredo
sauce. Also consider using egg yolks as a thickener in some kinds of sauces.
Just handle them/heat them gently so they don't curdle.

HG
Pedro's Cat - 12 Feb 2005 05:44 GMT
How about JC, he's obviously rather thick.

PC
tia - 12 Feb 2005 06:47 GMT
it would depend what youre cooking, i would think.  if you're making a
soup, have you tried puree'ing or using a blender for half of it?  that
would thicken it.  also, have you thought about soy flour?  its got 3
carbs per 1/4 cup or something really low.  i use it a lot to make
breadings and such.

yall be nice to JC.  he's an a.s, but thats what i love in my men
JC Der Koenig - 12 Feb 2005 14:52 GMT
Y'all, not yall.

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> it would depend what youre cooking, i would think.  if you're making a
> soup, have you tried puree'ing or using a blender for half of it?  that
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> yall be nice to JC.  he's an a.s, but thats what i love in my men
tia - 13 Feb 2005 04:55 GMT
at least youre texan... but proper grammar isnt very important to me
lately... teach english, do you?

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> Y'all, not yall.
JC Der Koenig - 13 Feb 2005 05:18 GMT
I'm certified to teach Secondary English and Secondary Mathematics.  At the
moment I'm teaching math.

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> at least youre texan... but proper grammar isnt very important to me
> lately... teach english, do you?
>
>> Y'all, not yall.
tia - 13 Feb 2005 05:34 GMT
im working on my certification to teach secondary art :)  im assuming you
once worked for ibm?  do you not still work there?  im basing that on the
email addy.. i used to work up in dallas for them... why switch when the
paycheck was fuckin phenominal?  could it be youre really a big softie that
loves kids?  then again.. thats a lie.  you teach math, you evil human
being.

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> I'm certified to teach Secondary English and Secondary Mathematics.  At
> the moment I'm teaching math.
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>>
>>> Y'all, not yall.
JC Der Koenig - 13 Feb 2005 13:45 GMT
I've never worked for IBM. I just figure they can get rid of the spam easier
than I can.

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> im working on my certification to teach secondary art :)  im assuming you
> once worked for ibm?  do you not still work there?  im basing that on the
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>>>> Y'all, not yall.
Perdu - 13 Feb 2005 16:39 GMT
> I've never worked for IBM. I just figure they can get rid of the spam easier
> than I can.

No they can't. They still got you on their address. Dickcheese.
   Best Regards,

                Steve

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JC Der Koenig - 13 Feb 2005 16:48 GMT
Have you always been this stupid?

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>> I've never worked for IBM. I just figure they can get rid of the spam
>> easier
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>
> Tout est per?du fors l'hon?neur
Perdu - 13 Feb 2005 20:46 GMT
> Have you always been this stupid?

Talking to yourself in a Newsgroup makes you even more of a moron than you
really are. If that is possible.

 At 10% IQ it's hard to get lower. When you throw yourself on the floor,
do you often miss? I'm sure it is in fear of hurting your skinny self and
bruise your bones. My my. The crosses one must drag through the proverbial
troll fields.

   Best Regards,

                Steve

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JC Der Koenig - 13 Feb 2005 21:24 GMT
No wonder you're still fat.

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>> Have you always been this stupid?
>
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>
> Tout est per?du fors l'hon?neur
Perdu - 13 Feb 2005 21:49 GMT
> No wonder you're still fat.

Whose idea of a BOT is this crap? Sheesh.

   Best Regards,

                Steve

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JC Der Koenig - 13 Feb 2005 22:23 GMT
No wonder you're still fat.

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breathe.   You must be trolling.  -- Carmen

>> No wonder you're still fat.
>
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>
> Tout est per?du fors l'hon?neur
Xtile - 13 Feb 2005 22:56 GMT
>>No wonder you're still fat.
>
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>
> Tout est per·du fors l'hon·neur

Have to admit that it is a simple, yet effective, Bot.
Perdu - 14 Feb 2005 00:44 GMT
> >>No wonder you're still fat.
> >
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>
> Have to admit that it is a simple, yet effective, Bot.

It's very old. Worn.

   Best Regards,

                Steve

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JC Der Koenig - 14 Feb 2005 04:54 GMT
No wonder you're still fat.

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>> >>No wonder you're still fat.
>> >
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> Tout est per?du fors l'hon?neur
JC Der Koenig - 12 Feb 2005 14:53 GMT
You've been looking at my dick?

Pervert.

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> How about JC, he's obviously rather thick.
>
> PC
Marsha - 12 Feb 2005 15:21 GMT
> You've been looking at my dick?
>
> Pervert.

JPEGs, please, so that we may all be perverts.

Marsha/Ohio
tia - 12 Feb 2005 15:39 GMT
erm... did i miss something?
JC Der Koenig - 12 Feb 2005 15:55 GMT
>> You've been looking at my dick?
>>
>> Pervert.
>
> JPEGs, please, so that we may all be perverts.

I'm sure you can find what you need through Google, but leave me out of it,
thankyouverymuch.
Marsha - 12 Feb 2005 16:27 GMT
>>>You've been looking at my dick?
>>>
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> I'm sure you can find what you need through Google, but leave me out of it,
> thankyouverymuch.

What's Google?  Is it low carb?

Marsha/Ohio
christopher.a.dowling@gmail.com - 12 Feb 2005 17:58 GMT
Comedy is not low carb!
Xtile - 12 Feb 2005 23:45 GMT
> You've been looking at my dick?
>
> Pervert.

And look, it's getting thicker!
Perdu - 12 Feb 2005 17:22 GMT
> How about JC, he's obviously rather thick.
>
> PC

But you need to use some strong flavors to cover up the nasty taste.
Something like soy flour. (Bwa ..  haha.. hawawa.. bwaha..)

   Best Regards,

                Steve

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Julie - 12 Feb 2005 19:05 GMT
>> How about JC, he's obviously rather thick.
>>
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>
> Tout est per?du fors l'hon?neur

LOL

I laughed at this until I cried.

Julie
Perdu - 12 Feb 2005 22:54 GMT
> >> How about JC, he's obviously rather thick.
> >>
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>
> Julie

 Heh..  Imagine the calories you burnt off during it. Like sex, laughter
is some serious fat burner. Too lazy today to look up the numbers.

Enjoy the rest of your laughter.    :)

   Best Regards,

                Steve

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Barbara Geiger - 12 Feb 2005 09:40 GMT
I use Arrowroot.  It only takes about half a tsp or less to thicken a fairly
large amount of anything and it adds no flavor of its own.

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> Does anyone have suggestions of something to use as a thickener in
> cooking? My mother always used flour or cornstarch, and occasionally
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Thanks,
> MaryL
Chris Smolinski - 12 Feb 2005 14:25 GMT
I use xanthan gum.

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