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jason@cyberpine.com - 16 Feb 2005 07:01 GMT
I lost about 70 lbs by cutting out starches for lunch and at dinner and
replacing my morning corn flakes and nightly ice create with carb
smart(with splenda) products.

Around 3 months ago while into heavy splenda use, I started developing
severe iching all over my body - mostly on my back and chest.  Around
the same time I had also gained about 10 lbs as I started to relax the
diet a bit.

I stopped eating splenda products about 3 weeks ago, but continue to
have itching.

I read somewhere that the itching might be a symptom of liver damage
caused by toxins produced in my body by splenda.

I don't mean to scare anybody with presumptions.. I'm no doctor and
actually I should go to one to get a professional opinion.

Any help or information is appreciated.
tia - 16 Feb 2005 07:32 GMT
well, yea seeing a doctor is a pretty big priority - especially if youre
thinking you could have some liver damage.  dont mess with your organs, get
that checked pronto if you can.  food allergies can happen to anyone at any
time.  im not sure if thats what it is, but it sure sounds like one.
another thing i can think of is that splenda is made by adding chlorine to
sugar.  the byproduct is splenda.  you might be sensitive to that?  either
way, get yourself checked, you dont want cirrhosis or something.  good luck.

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>I lost about 70 lbs by cutting out starches for lunch and at dinner and
> replacing my morning corn flakes and nightly ice create with carb
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> Any help or information is appreciated.
Carmen - 16 Feb 2005 13:01 GMT
Hello,
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> Around 3 months ago while into heavy splenda use, I started
> developing severe iching all over my body - mostly on my back and
> chest.
> Around the same time I had also gained about 10 lbs as I started to
> relax
> the diet a bit.
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Forget all the goofy "toxin" theories and have yourself checked by a
dermatologist.  In the meantime moisturize after you shower and get a
humidifier.  Winter months mean indoor heating and dry skin.  Dry skin
can be itchy and scratching can lead to breaks in the skin.  Those act
as "Welcome" signs for bacteria and viruses.

Take care,
Carmen

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Martha Gallagher - 16 Feb 2005 13:16 GMT
> I lost about 70 lbs by cutting out starches for lunch and at dinner and
> replacing my morning corn flakes and nightly ice create with carb
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> I read somewhere that the itching might be a symptom of liver damage
> caused by toxins produced in my body by splenda.

Too bad you didn't stick to stevia.

> I don't mean to scare anybody with presumptions.. I'm no doctor and
> actually I should go to one to get a professional opinion.

Good plan.

> Any help or information is appreciated.

Sounds like an allergic reaction to me - but I am not a doctor - you might
try antihistamine creams until you can get in to see a physician. You can
develop an allergic reaction to something that you have consumed (or worn)
without problems for years.

Martha


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Carmen - 16 Feb 2005 13:31 GMT
Good morning,

> > I stopped eating splenda products about 3 weeks ago, but continue
> > to have itching.
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>
> Too bad you didn't stick to stevia.

<Laugh>  I checked and it isn't Thom King.  That's why I answered
without biting his head off.  Great minds think alike.  <G>

Take care,
Carmen
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Roger Zoul - 16 Feb 2005 13:45 GMT
:: Good morning,
:: On 16-Feb-2005, Martha Gallagher <marza@patriot.net> wrote:
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:: Take care,
:: Carmen

So, do you keep running tabs on folks who seem a bit off and/or could be
potential trolls/spammers/wackos/nutjobs? :)
Carmen - 16 Feb 2005 15:05 GMT
Hi,

> :: Good morning,
> :: On 16-Feb-2005, Martha Gallagher <marza@patriot.net> wrote:
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> So, do you keep running tabs on folks who seem a bit off and/or
> could be potential trolls/spammers/wackos/nutjobs? :)

Not as a general rule.  If a post sets off my radar I look at it more
closely, but there are only two people I'm actively scanning for right
now. :-)

I'm much worse with the folks who insist on forwarding me every stupid
chain email that hits their inbox.  The overwhelming majority of the
time they're hoaxes, but you might be surprised how people react when
you email them back and prove it to 'em.  Just this morning some idiot
from Fort Benning got all huffy with me when I emailed him the truth
and suggested he email the refutation out to everybody he sent the
chain email to.  All of a sudden it's too much trouble to hit the
forward button.
(The chain email in question was supposed to have been written by
General Richard Hawley - a sort of "kill 'em all" hyper conservative
rant - but was actually written by comedian Larry Miller making fun of
that POV.)

Some days keeping the boobs at bay is a fulltime job.  <G>

Take care,
Carmen
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FOB - 16 Feb 2005 16:36 GMT
I'm forever doing that, too, I can't count the number of times I have
refuted the one about bringing Congresspersons into the Social Security
System both in email and on newsgroups.  I don't think I have ever received
a chain email that was true.

In news:egJQd.28$1x1.0@bignews6.bellsouth.net,
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jamie - 17 Feb 2005 22:07 GMT
> I'm much worse with the folks who insist on forwarding me every stupid
> chain email that hits their inbox.  

I've got a couple that I send back to those people (when I don't
feel like sending them Snopes URLs), which I'm posting separately
to make it easier for anyone who'd like to save them.  

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jamie - 17 Feb 2005 22:13 GMT
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Saffire - 18 Feb 2005 00:08 GMT
> URGENT!
>
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> do it and now we have to send this out.  We have no control anymore.
> We are still recovering.

LOL!  I forwarded it to everyone I know! (not really :-)

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Cheri - 18 Feb 2005 01:31 GMT
I forwarded it to those who send me all those forwards. LOL

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Carmen - 18 Feb 2005 00:03 GMT
Hi,

> > I'm much worse with the folks who insist on forwarding me every
> > stupid chain email that hits their inbox.
>
> I've got a couple that I send back to those people (when I don't
> feel like sending them Snopes URLs), which I'm posting separately
> to make it easier for anyone who'd like to save them.

Thank you Jamie, those will probably get the point across without
making the recipient mad.  Unlike the email I sent my buddy this
morning.  Oh well.

Take care,
Carmen

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Hannah Gruen - 16 Feb 2005 14:16 GMT
> I read somewhere that the itching might be a symptom of liver damage
> caused by toxins produced in my body by splenda.

Well, Splenda has been  rather thoroughly tested prior to approval. In
addition, although it's been approved for use in the U.S. for only a few
years, it was used in Canada and elsewhere quite a few years before that.
There really haven't been many complaints or problems reported for it, that
I'm aware of.

Well, other than the bogus stuff from the anti-Sucralose websites that are
generally run by people trying to scare you off it so you'll buy their
stevia product. I suspect you got some of that bogus scare stuff.

Itching can be caused by all kinds of things, including dry skin plus or
minus cold, dry weather. I'd suggest seeing your doctor if it continues.

HG
jason@cyberpine.com - 16 Feb 2005 16:02 GMT
I'm convinced there's a connection - just know my body that way. It's
kindof a coincidence that so many others would report the itching -
doubt they are all on the BIG SUGAR payroll <grin> like me. Also,  I
think it's healthy to be suspicious when humans claim they haved fooled
nature - at least at the onset..

As for the BLOG police in here.. God bless you - you are a neccessary
evil. What puzzles me is where you find the energy and drive to care as
much as you do. It's all good.
Carmen - 16 Feb 2005 16:20 GMT
Hi,

> As for the BLOG police in here.. God bless you - you are a
> neccessary evil. What puzzles me is where you find the energy and
> drive to care
> as much as you do. It's all good.

I had to look up the term "blog police" to be sure I understood it.
It fits, so I'll own it as the usenet version, "net cop".  <G>
I do it because I like knowing stuff and solving puzzles.  It doesn't
matter if the information never gets used, I like finding it.

Take care,
Carmen

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Cheri - 16 Feb 2005 18:05 GMT
Yes, and I'm very glad that you do, because I don't have a clue as how
to do it. :-)

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Crafting Mom - 16 Feb 2005 15:33 GMT
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 23:01:34 -0800, jason wrote:

> Any help or information is appreciated.

Go see your doctor for any physical problems and a real diagnosis.
Tom G - 16 Feb 2005 17:57 GMT
> I lost about 70 lbs by cutting out starches for lunch and at dinner and
> replacing my morning corn flakes and nightly ice create with carb
> smart(with splenda) products.

  70lbs. Good for you.

> Around 3 months ago while into heavy splenda use, I started developing
> severe iching all over my body - mostly on my back and chest.  Around
> the same time I had also gained about 10 lbs as I started to relax the
> diet a bit.

  It's difficult to say whether it's the Splenda, or some other ailment. A
lot of Splenda can't be good for you though.

> I stopped eating splenda products about 3 weeks ago, but continue to
> have itching.

  Good. Don't replace it with another sweetener. Low carbing is about
getting rid of the sweet tooth and eating natural foods.

> I read somewhere that the itching might be a symptom of liver damage
> caused by toxins produced in my body by splenda.

  I guess it may depend on how much Splenda or any other sweetener you were
actually consuming. Was the article written by the makers of Aspertame?
   I have read some material on people that have had negative responses to
different sweeteners. I don't know if the motivation is to warn people, or
get them to switch brands.

> I don't mean to scare anybody with presumptions.. I'm no doctor and
> actually I should go to one to get a professional opinion.

  Yes. Go see a doctor.

> Any help or information is appreciated.

  If Splenda is causing your problems, then re-evaluate your diet to try
and eliminate the refined packaged products that contain these types of
chemicals, preservatives and trans-fats.
   Tom
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Cubit - 16 Feb 2005 18:12 GMT
I have used a large amount of black market liquid splenda with no apparent
effect.

> I lost about 70 lbs by cutting out starches for lunch and at dinner and
> replacing my morning corn flakes and nightly ice create with carb
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>
> Any help or information is appreciated.
Martha Gallagher - 16 Feb 2005 20:37 GMT
> I have used a large amount of black market liquid splenda with no apparent
> effect.

I have too, with the caveat that I think you mean gray market.

http://www.pcguide.com/buy/des/specGray-c.html

Martha

> > I lost about 70 lbs by cutting out starches for lunch and at dinner and
> > replacing my morning corn flakes and nightly ice create with carb
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> >
> > Any help or information is appreciated.

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usenet69@hotmail.com - 16 Feb 2005 21:23 GMT
> > I have used a large amount of black market liquid splenda with no apparent
> > effect.
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I think it is not a good idea to eat alot of splenda. Everything in
moderation.

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Martha Gallagher - 16 Feb 2005 23:16 GMT
> > > I have used a large amount of black market liquid splenda with no
> apparent
> > > effect.
> > >
> > I have too, with the caveat that I think you mean gray market.


> I think it is not a good idea to eat alot of splenda. Everything in
> moderation.

Doesn't that seem a little extreme?


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Oh man, and I *so* did not study.

Martha

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Cubit - 17 Feb 2005 19:23 GMT
Yes, gray market.

> > I have used a large amount of black market liquid splenda with no apparent
> > effect.
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> > >
> > > Any help or information is appreciated.
Chakolate - 16 Feb 2005 20:06 GMT
> I lost about 70 lbs by cutting out starches for lunch and at dinner and
> replacing my morning corn flakes and nightly ice create with carb
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> Any help or information is appreciated.

I ordinarily have extremely oily skin and hair, but when I started low-
carbing that cleared up a lot.  Changes in diet will most certainly affect
the moisture content of the skin.  

You also say that you had just changed your eating pattern.  (Or so I
assume from the fact that you had gained 10 pounds.)  That would seem to me
to be a much more likely culprit than a product you'd been using for some
time.

In any case, get thee to a dermatologist, please.

Chakolate

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Gayle - 16 Feb 2005 21:30 GMT
> I lost about 70 lbs by cutting out starches for lunch and at dinner and
> replacing my morning corn flakes and nightly ice create with carb
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> the same time I had also gained about 10 lbs as I started to relax the
> diet a bit.

I found I had to stop using Splenda as well.

I had started with occasional use, and then having gotten some of the
Davinci syrups to flavor my coffee and tea, the usage increased.

I started having very painful skin rashes. As my usage of Splenda had
increased gradually, it took me some time to figure out the cause. I went on
a "no plastic food" week and the rashes started to heal. So I thought about
what had changed in the past few months and realized Splenda had gone from
occasional to daily use. I tested Splenda specifically using it 2-3 days in
a row, the rash came back.

So, off the Splenda and now hoping that most soft drink manufacturers don't
switch... although DH and I have done a major switch to water since the end
of December. It's working out much better for both of us.

Pulled my stats from the sig line - didn't want Robo Challenge to pick up on
the weight gain. I've been sick, flu turned into pneumonia. My DH lost
weight, I haven't exercised for almost 2 weeks and my weight is up. But,
I've got to be able to breathe without wheezing and coughing jags before I
can start exercising again. This is what can cause me to give up the weight
loss effort. Any deviation from 4-6 days of exercise per week and the weight
just piles back on. It gets so frustrating!!

Gayle
Hannah Gruen - 17 Feb 2005 10:49 GMT
>  I've been sick, flu turned into pneumonia. My DH lost
> weight, I haven't exercised for almost 2 weeks and my weight is up. But,
> I've got to be able to breathe without wheezing and coughing jags before I
> can start exercising again. This is what can cause me to give up the weight
> loss effort. Any deviation from 4-6 days of exercise per week and the weight
> just piles back on. It gets so frustrating!!

Hope you're feeling better, Gayle. That flu is sure going around. I've been
exposed, but haven't fallen victim yet. Still, it's most important that you
get well, and heavy exercise isn't recommended when you are recovering from
pneumonia. Are you using soups? There are a lot of low-carb soup recipes
that seem perfect when you're in recovery mode. Broth, meat or poultry, lots
of lc veggies including some slivered greens (I particularly like kale in
soups). Don't forget the onion and garlic, and for anyone with a cold or
sinus issues, a good shake of cayenne. Add some cream for cream soups. Have
a Wasa cracker or two with a big bowl.

Somehow eating a lot of soup tends to lower your calorie intake, yet you
still feel full. This could be helpful when you're not exercising.

Don't worry, you'll take the pounds off soon. Just take good care of
yourself and get well.

HG
jamie - 17 Feb 2005 22:42 GMT
> I read somewhere that the itching might be a symptom of liver damage
> caused by toxins produced in my body by splenda.

Mild liver damage typically presents as digestive disturbances and
undue fatigue, and then jaundice.  

Itching is more likely to be caused by allergy, dry skin, inadequate
rinsing of shower soap or laundry detergent, assorted types of
dermatitis, or perhaps hypothyroid.

The word "toxins" implies you got this notion from a quackery-nonsense
and/or "cleansing" site, where they love to bandy about the word
"toxin" but can never name a single one "cleansed" by their ridiculous
regimens or products. This, while naming every vague annoying symptom
known to man as caused by these "toxins."

There's a saying in toxicology: "the dose makes the poison."  There's
enough oxalic acid in 20 pounds of spinach to *kill* an adult, but
nobody could eat that much spinach.

There's only a few thousandths of a gram of sucralose in a packet or
2 tsps of Splenda, and even the anti-Splenda scare propaganda only
claims that 20 or 30 percent of *that* is absorbed.

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