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Popular diets tout new `good carb' government advice
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Roger Zoul - 16 Feb 2005 14:02 GMT http://www.netrition.com/cgi/news.cgi?file=20050201155057_0
Popular diets tout new `good carb' government advice 2005 February 01
By By LIBBY QUAID (Associated Press Writer) WASHINGTON - Interested in following the government's new advice on what to eat? Advocates of the South Beach and Atkins diets want you to give their approaches a try, saying they're not all that different from the official recommendations. However, both popular low-carb diets omit the government's top recommendation: Count calories. Atkins and South Beach both insist that people eliminate most carbohydrates - pasta, bread, rice and even fruit - in the initial phases of their diets. But that's just for the first two weeks. After that, it's all about choosing "good" carbohydrates: veggies, some fruits and whole grains. And that is what the new guidelines advise. "I think the government really got it right this time," Arthur Agatston, the cardiologist who created the South Beach diet, said in an interview with The Associated Press. "The public has been so confused, with the initial lowfat message, and the plain low-carb message," he said. "Now they really should be getting a single message of good carbs, good fats, lean protein and fiber." A good-carb diet, not a low-carb one, is how Agatston describes South Beach. People surfing the Atkins Web site will find a new article on how the program fits the dietary guidelines. "The Atkins maintenance program, once people achieve their goal weight, is very consistent with the recommendations," said nutritionist Colette Heimowitz, vice president of education and research for Atkins Nutritionals. Even in the strictest phase of Atkins, she said, some of the new government recommendations can apply. For example, in the first two weeks, people on Atkins are supposed to eat 4 cups of salad a day. The new government recommendation is 2 1/2 cups of vegetables each day. The virtue of Atkins or South Beach, however, was not the message intended by those developing the government guidelines. Their top recommendation for losing weight was to cut calories, advice you won't find in either diet plan. "That's the No. 1 message, calories count, and then when you're counting calories, get the most nutrition for those calories you're consuming," said Eric Hentges, director of the Agriculture Department's Center for Nutrition Policy and Promotion. "I'd be cautious with the idea that there would be some sort of endorsement. There will not be." The guidelines are being used to update the Agriculture Department's familiar food guide pyramid, which is due out this spring. The panel of scientists and doctors who developed the 41 recommendations in the guidelines took a neutral position on whether people should follow popular diets. "I don't think there are enough long-term studies showing if there is any side effect to being on these diets long-term," said committee member Theresa Nicklas, a professor of pediatrics at Baylor College of Medicine in Houston. "The bottom line is that calories are what really count." Yet on the day the government unveiled the guidelines, the low-carb diets got an unexpected boost from departing Agriculture Secretary Ann Veneman, one of two Cabinet officials who oversaw creation of the new guidelines. At a news conference, Veneman said people should look beyond the first two weeks of Atkins, South Beach and other diets at their plans for maintaining weight loss. "They're very consistent in many ways with the dietary guidelines," she said. "Eat a lot of fruits and vegetables, eat whole grains, keep fat low. And more and more, you see these very consistent messages coming also out of a lot of the popular diet programs." Low-carbohydrate diets are notorious for those first two weeks, which are designed to curb food cravings by stabilizing blood sugar. They require eliminating food that many people say they can't live without: bread, pasta and rice and sugars like those in candy and alcohol and even fruit. There are many differences in the two approaches, but in each, people are allowed to slowly add carbohydrates back into their diets. Not brownies and fettucini alfredo, though. The catch is that people must choose "good" carbohydrates - whole-wheat toast instead of a croissant, or non-instant oatmeal over corn flakes. Some think enthusiasm for the diets has peaked. Harry Balzer, who analyzes food trends for NPD Group, a marketing firm, said its surveys show that people who say they are on low-carb diets has dropped by more than half in the past year. By far the most popular diet is "my own diet," Balzer said, adding that his research shows that about one in four Americans view themselves as being on a diet. "People take bits and pieces of a diet and incorporate it into their lifestyle," he said. "Not everybody grabs an entire diet and says I'm going to change immediately forever." --- On the Net: Dietary Guidelines: http://www.healthierus.gov South Beach Diet: http://www.southbeachdiet.com Atkins Nutritionals: http://atkins.com Copyright: Copyright 2005 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. Show all Health News headlines
Bob M - 16 Feb 2005 15:12 GMT [cut]
> Low-carbohydrate diets are notorious for those first two weeks, which are > designed to curb food cravings by stabilizing blood sugar. They require [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > in > the past year. I still think that good carbs shouldn't include whole wheat bread and contain very few grains of any kind.
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Xtile - 16 Feb 2005 15:20 GMT > I still think that good carbs shouldn't include whole wheat bread and > contain very few grains of any kind. I agree heartily. Might include some low glycemic stuff like lentils, barley.
Bob M - 16 Feb 2005 15:27 GMT >> I still think that good carbs shouldn't include whole wheat bread and >> contain very few grains of any kind. > > I agree heartily. Might include some low glycemic stuff like lentils, > barley. I'm still trying to find something that my girlfriend and I can both eat (naturally, I'll not eat too much of it), like lentils and barley. I've looked at barley, brown rice, and wild rice, but they all seem to be high in carbs and low in fiber (as compared to vegetables, for instance).
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Dick Yuknavech - 16 Feb 2005 20:23 GMT >I'm still trying to find something that my girlfriend and I can both eat >(naturally, I'll not eat too much of it), like lentils and barley. I've >looked at barley, brown rice, and wild rice, but they all seem to be high >in carbs and low in fiber (as compared to vegetables, for instance). There's a recipe that surprised me several years ago (it's also lowfat). I never thought "Barley-Mushroom Soup" would taste good. It's got dried shiitakes, a metric ton of white mushrooms, a touch of onion, LOTS of water and a lousy 1/2 cup of barley. Makes a zillion servings. I can't see any problem atall with that one.
I can dig out the numbers if anybody cares.
-- 6/2/2003 181/170/here?
Bob M - 16 Feb 2005 20:34 GMT >> I'm still trying to find something that my girlfriend and I can both eat >> (naturally, I'll not eat too much of it), like lentils and barley. I've [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > -- > 6/2/2003 181/170/here? Sounds good. Post it while I still have beef and chicken broth to add to it!
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Dick Yuknavech - 17 Feb 2005 16:03 GMT >> There's a recipe that surprised me several years ago (it's also lowfat). >> I never thought "Barley-Mushroom Soup" would taste good.
>Sounds good. Post it while I still have beef and chicken broth to add to >it! Beef? Chicken?? We don't need no steenkin' animals! Well, the butter. OK, but I don't think the recipe will break if you use olive oil.
Title: Barley Mushroom Soup Yield: 10 servings 6 c boiling water 1 lb fresh mushrooms, sliced 1 oz dried mushrooms (usually shiitake) 1/2 c barley 4 T butter 1/2 t dried tarragon 2 ea garlic cloves, crushed 1 x Salt, pepper to taste 2 ea medium onions, chopped 1 x Grated Parmesan cheese
Pour boiling water over dried mushrooms in large bowl. Let soak about 30 minutes or until softened. Drain; reserve mushrooms and liquid separately.
Melt butter in large saucepan. Saute garlic and onions in butter until lightly browned. Add sliced fresh mushrooms; saute 3-5 minutes, until lightly browned. Stir in drained mushrooms; saute 3 minutes.
Stir in reserved mushroom soaking liquid, barley, tarragon, salt and pepper. Heat to boil; reduce heat. Simmer about 1 hour, or until barley is soft. Adjust seasonings (add 25 cloves garlic). Serve sprinkled with Parmesan cheese. This stuff is surprisingly good, sez me. Per serving (10): calories 103, carbs 14gm, fiber 3gm, cholesterol 12mg, protein 3gm, fat 5gm, satfat 3gm.
I usually drop one onion, add more mushrooms of both types. You can also be selective with the barley as you ladle the stuff out, if 11 gms net carbs is too much. It does make an entire meal for me.
-- 6/2/2003 181/170/here?
Bob M - 17 Feb 2005 16:06 GMT >> On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 20:23:30 GMT, Dick Yuknavech >> <I-give-up.@dontspamcom> [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > -- > 6/2/2003 181/170/here? Thanks. So, all (most) the liquid comes from water? Maybe I'll split it and try one with all water and one with a broth (all or some) of some sort.
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Dee - 18 Feb 2005 15:02 GMT >>> On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 20:23:30 GMT, Dick Yuknavech >>> <I-give-up.@dontspamcom> [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > it and try one with all water and one with a broth (all or some) of > some sort. This sounds quite yummy. I may try this and sub chicken stock for the water and wild rice for the barley (I have wild rice on hand, plus it is a little lower in carbs).
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MaryL - 17 Feb 2005 03:58 GMT >>> I still think that good carbs shouldn't include whole wheat bread and >>> contain very few grains of any kind. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > looked at barley, brown rice, and wild rice, but they all seem to be high > in carbs and low in fiber (as compared to vegetables, for instance). Black bean soup works well for me -- high in carbs, but it does not cause an increase in my glucose levels. (I have diabetes.) I am basically following South Beach, and they permit black beans after the first 2 weeks.
MaryL
None Given - 17 Feb 2005 17:50 GMT > Black bean soup works well for me -- high in carbs, but it does not cause an > increase in my glucose levels. (I have diabetes.) I am basically following > South Beach, and they permit black beans after the first 2 weeks. I'm planning to try making a black bean soup one of theses days soon, would you share your recipe?
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MaryL - 18 Feb 2005 00:27 GMT >> Black bean soup works well for me -- high in carbs, but it does not cause > an [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > would > you share your recipe? Here is the recipe I use. It is from the South Beach web page and has never had any adverse effects when I check my glucose levels after eating. I make it without the sour cream. Also, I'm really not much of a cook and have never used cilantro. I plan to try it sometime, but haven't used that ingredient yet, either (and must admit that I don't even know how it tastes). If anyone else has a simple recipe for black bean soup, I would appreciate seeing a copy.
Incidentally, I worked as a congressional intern many years ago (no jokes, please ;o)). At that time, the cafeteria in the House of Representatives *always* had bean soup (using white navy beans) as part of the daily menu, and recipes were freely distributed. Legend has it that it was Sam Rayburn's favorite and that he insisted that it be available every day. I haven't tried it since being diagnosed with diabetes, but I plan to -- I think it should be in about the same category as black bean soup. If anyone wants the recipe, I would be happy to provide it. It is super-easy to prepare, and I really like it.
Black Bean Soup
Serves 2
Ingredients
1/2 cup fresh tomato salsa (plus extra for garnish, if desired) 1 (15.5-ounce) can black beans, drained and rinsed 1/2 can fat-free chicken broth 2 tablespoons fat-free sour cream (optional) 2 teaspoons fresh cilantro
Instructions
Heat the salsa in a large saucepan over medium heat, stirring frequently, for about 5 minutes. Stir in the beans and broth, then heat to boiling. Reduce heat to low. Cover and simmer 15 minutes. Cool slightly, then spoon half the soup into a food processor or blender and puree. Be very careful pureeing hot liquids. Return the pureed soup to the saucepan and heat through. Serve with 1 tablespoon of sour cream per person, cilantro, and additional salsa.
None Given - 18 Feb 2005 17:09 GMT > Here is the recipe I use. It is from the South Beach web page and has never > had any adverse effects when I check my glucose levels after eating. I make [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > tastes). If anyone else has a simple recipe for black bean soup, I would > appreciate seeing a copy. So far beans are the only carb I can seem to handle at breakfast, but I have only tried pinto beans and ranch style (also pinto beans, but in a chili sauce.) The other day, for dinner, I made some pinto beans from the dried kind and twice as much as I usually eat had seemingly no effect at all on either of our BGs, I also ate some of the leftovers at breakfast and my BG actually went down. I had some black bean soup at a restaurant called Lone Star Steakhouse a while back which made me want to try making it myself, it was really, really good.
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MaryL - 17 Feb 2005 03:57 GMT > [cut] >> Low-carbohydrate diets are notorious for those first two weeks, which are [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > I still think that good carbs shouldn't include whole wheat bread and > contain very few grains of any kind. That has been true for me. I have diabetes, and even a single slice of whole wheat bread caused my glucose level to soar -- so, I totally eliminated bread of any kind, rice, pasta, potatoes, and added sugar. I eat lots of veggies, and fairly substantial amount of fruit (mostly berries plus less frequent use of bananas, pears, apples, etc.). I snack on almonds and Jarlsberg Lite Swiss cheese. I still eat primarily low-fat meat but will sometimes have bacon. Oh, yes, lots of eggs. Also, I have old-fashioned oatmeal with a handful of fresh blueberries for breakfast every morning, and that does not seem to cause any problems (my BG was 96 this morning, 2 hours after eating; it was 84 this afternoon, shortly before dinner).
MaryL
Bob M - 17 Feb 2005 12:21 GMT >> [cut] >>> Low-carbohydrate diets are notorious for those first two weeks, which [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > MaryL That's basically what I've been doing too. I've tried to eat "bread" that was basically whole grains pressed together. While it didn't seem to make my blood sugar rise (and I only used it on days prior to biking), it did give me heartburn, which I never get. So, I've given up on any type of bread.
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Moon Shooter - 16 Feb 2005 22:46 GMT =>http://www.netrition.com/cgi/news.cgi?file=20050201155057_0 => => =>Popular diets tout new `good carb' government advice =>2005 February 01 => =>By By LIBBY QUAID (Associated Press Writer) ---nip nip--- =>"I don't think there are enough long-term studies showing if there is any =>side effect to being on these diets long-term," said committee member =>Theresa Nicklas, a professor of pediatrics at Baylor College of Medicine in =>Houston. ---nip nip--- They said the very same thing 20+ years ago, when I was reading Atkins' papers in the college. There must be tons of studies during past 20+ years and they still claim no studies.
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