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Canola Oil contains trans fat?

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trader4@optonline.net - 18 Feb 2005 22:42 GMT
While reading the March issue of Low Carb Energy magazine, I came
across an article by Dr. Fred Pescatore regarding common myths about
fat.  According to him, canola oil is the most unhealthful oil on the
market because it contains from 5 to 15 percent trans fat right out of
the bottle.  This, if true, is quite a shock!  He says the trans fats
are generated from the processing of the rapeseed to make it into
canola oil.

I looked at a bottle of Wesson canola oil and like most products, it
doesn't say anything specifically about trans fat content.  On the
other hand a bottle of the local supermarket house brand canola oil
says it has no trans fats.  So, apparently there is some disagreement
here.

Searching the web, I found some links that at least partially support
the Dr's claim:

http://www.tfx.org.uk/page13.html

http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/english/media/releases/2004/trans_fats-gras_e.html

The second website says processed vegetable oils in general, including
soybean oil and canola oil, contain up to 2.5% trans fat.
Of course that's still a long way from the 5 to 15% claimed in the
magazine article.  Most other health websites endorse canola oil as one
of the better oils and say nothing negative about it.

Anyone else ever hear this or have any more info?
Carmen - 18 Feb 2005 23:36 GMT
Hello Chet,
<Top posting to leave your information intact>

I was aware of this from (I think) Lee some years back.  It pretty
much applies to all oils - buy cold-pressed.  Heating is the enemy.
It costs more because the yield for the manufacturer is less, but (to
me) there seems to be a benefit in terms of the oil's longevity.  The
heating is where the unnatural hydrogenation comes in.

Carmen

> While reading the March issue of Low Carb Energy magazine, I came
> across an article by Dr. Fred Pescatore regarding common myths about
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> Anyone else ever hear this or have any more info?

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trader4@optonline.net - 19 Feb 2005 00:52 GMT
Just ran across a bottle of Mazola canola oil.  It also says no trans
fats on the label.  Clearly either some canola oils are processed
differently or else somebody is either wrong or lying.
Bev-Ann - 19 Feb 2005 03:50 GMT
It depends on how the oil was processed.  Cold pressed oils won't have
trans fats.  It's the heat during processing that alters it.  Someone else
pointed that out earlier in this thread.

on 18 Feb 2005 16:52:59 -0800, "trader4@optonline.net"

>Just ran across a bottle of Mazola canola oil.  It also says no trans
>fats on the label.  Clearly either some canola oils are processed
>differently or else somebody is either wrong or lying.

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Bev
trader4@optonline.net - 19 Feb 2005 11:44 GMT
"It depends on how the oil was processed.  Cold pressed oils won't have

trans fats.  It's the heat during processing that alters it.  Someone
else
pointed that out earlier in this thread. "

If it actually depends on how it was processed, which does make sense,
then the article in Low Carb Energy by Dr. Pescatore, the Hamptons Diet
guy, is clearly wrong and looks like another scare tactic from an
extremist with an agenda.   He clearly made the claim that all canola
oil contains 5 to 15% trans fat right out of the bottle, not that it's
possible to process it so that it's trans fat free and that one should
select one accordingly.  So far, I've found two out of the three that I
looked at, Mazola and the low cost house brand, that indicate 0 trans
fat.  Wesson, the other one,  didn't specifically say anything about
trans fat.  So, it doesn't appear hard to find.  In fact, I'm left
wondering if any of the popular and readily available ones have any
significant trans fat at all.

I'm going to send LCE a letter and see if they respond.
Carmen - 19 Feb 2005 15:11 GMT
Good morning,

> on 18 Feb 2005 16:52:59 -0800, "trader4@optonline.net"
>
> >Just ran across a bottle of Mazola canola oil.  It also says no
> >trans fats on the label.  Clearly either some canola oils are
> >processed
> >differently or else somebody is either wrong or lying.

> It depends on how the oil was processed.  Cold pressed oils won't
> have trans fats.  It's the heat during processing that alters it.
> Someone else pointed that out earlier in this thread.

Chet probably KFed me.  After all, liberals such as myself cannot
possibly impart useful information.  ;-)

Take care,
Carmen

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diane - 19 Feb 2005 21:50 GMT
good article on fats and oils at Atkins.com  My eyes are tired this
afternoon, but I know I read about cold press processing here somewhere.
Very good article- cold press is best, for that matter, never overheat your
oils- it changes them.

http://university.atkins.com/briefs/viewBrief.jsp?briefId=1011&atkinspsession=56
0003299541cf7d1be70aaeed15


Diane
Low! 234/178/165

> Good morning,
>
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> Take care,
> Carmen
diane - 19 Feb 2005 21:58 GMT
found my article I was looking for:  at Atkins.com  "understanding oils"
http://university.atkins.com/sessions/lessons/viewLesson.jsp?lessonId=1001&pageN
umber=4&courseSessionId=1237


For those of you who can't get to the link:

Understanding Oils

Oils are a prime source of dietary fats, so it's important to understand how
to select health-promoting oils that contain monounsaturated and
polyunsaturated fats, and how to avoid unhealthy oils that contribute to
heart disease and other health issues.

Here's the most basic fact you should understand as you buy oils: The less
processing an oil is subjected to, the more healthful it is. Let's take a
quick look at how different types of oils are processed.

Refined Oils

Most of the oils on supermarket shelves have been heavily processed into
pale, tasteless, low-nutrient versions of their original selves. Why? To
prolong shelf life and allow heating to higher temperatures.

During the refining process, the oil is separated from its food source with
petroleum solvents and then boiled at 400? F to evaporate the solvents.
Chemical preservatives are frequently added to retard oxidation. Guess what?
All of this makes overexposure to these oils unhealthy. Avoid these oils,
especially processed corn oil.

Cold-Pressed Oils

Instead, buy high quality, unrefined, cold-pressed vegetable and nut oils.
These oils haven't been heated and treated with harsh chemicals to strip
away their nutrients, so they still have:

 a.. rich flavors
 b.. essential fatty acids
 c.. high vitamin content

     WARNING
     These unrefined oils will go rancid faster than processed oils. (Fats
become rancid when they are exposed to too much light or heat, or simply
with the passage of time.) Eating rancid oils increases the risk of heart
disease.

Because oxidized (or rancid) oils are unhealthy, it's important to keep
unrefined oils fresh. To do so, customers should:

 a.. buy them in small quantities
 b.. protect them from light by buying those in opaque containers
 c.. store them in the refrigerator
Expeller-Pressed Oils

Expeller-pressed oils are exposed to heat in the extraction process, which
reduces their nutritional value. However, they are still preferable to
refined oils.

     WARNING
     Oil, even cold-pressed oil, should never be reused, after frying.
Reuse may make it rancid.

> Good morning,
>
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> Take care,
> Carmen
trader4@optonline.net - 19 Feb 2005 23:01 GMT
Sounds like Atkins is conflicted too.  First they say to avoid all
refined oils, then in how to do Atkins, while they say cold pressed
oils are preferred, they also say the refined versions are OK too:

First, as posted above:

Refined Oils

Most of the oils on supermarket shelves have been heavily processed
into
pale, tasteless, low-nutrient versions of their original selves. Why?
To
prolong shelf life and allow heating to higher temperatures.
Sounds like Atkins is conflicted too.  First they say to avoid all
refined oils, then in how to do Atkins, while they say cold pressed
oils are better, they also say the refined versions are OK too:

During the refining process, the oil is separated from its food source
with
petroleum solvents and then boiled at 400° F to evaporate the
solvents.
Chemical preservatives are frequently added to retard oxidation. Guess
what?
All of this makes overexposure to these oils unhealthy. Avoid these
oils,
especially processed corn oil.

Second, from how to do Atkins:

Acceptable Fats and Oils
Many fats, especially certain oils, are essential to good nutrition.
Olive oil is particularly valuable. All other vegetable oils are
allowed, the best being canola, walnut, soybean, grapeseed, sesame,
sunflower and safflower oils, especially if they are labeled
"cold-pressed" or "expeller-pressed." Do not cook polyunsaturated oils,
such as corn, soybean and sunflower oil, at high temperatures or allow
to brown or smoke.

Another classic is they state no oil should ever be reused because it
may be rancid.  That's pretty crazy, as virtually all food service
places reuse oil without it going rancid as long as it's reused in a
reasonable period.
diane - 19 Feb 2005 23:28 GMT
I agree- interesting reading about how they refine the oils- but when I
realized that the big old gallon of vegetable oil was really soybean
oil.....and I'm eating soy like crazy. Why not embrace it.
I wont reuse over heated oil, but if I've been careful with my frying oil- I
will reuse it.  I won't fry my bacon to a hard crisp either- don't care for
it that way anyway.

Its not like we are drinking the oil...( I hope not!)

Diane

Sounds like Atkins is conflicted too.  First they say to avoid all
refined oils, then in how to do Atkins, while they say cold pressed
oils are preferred, they also say the refined versions are OK too:

First, as posted above:

Refined Oils

Most of the oils on supermarket shelves have been heavily processed
into
pale, tasteless, low-nutrient versions of their original selves. Why?
To
prolong shelf life and allow heating to higher temperatures.
Sounds like Atkins is conflicted too.  First they say to avoid all
refined oils, then in how to do Atkins, while they say cold pressed
oils are better, they also say the refined versions are OK too:

During the refining process, the oil is separated from its food source
with
petroleum solvents and then boiled at 400? F to evaporate the
solvents.
Chemical preservatives are frequently added to retard oxidation. Guess
what?
All of this makes overexposure to these oils unhealthy. Avoid these
oils,
especially processed corn oil.

Second, from how to do Atkins:

Acceptable Fats and Oils
Many fats, especially certain oils, are essential to good nutrition.
Olive oil is particularly valuable. All other vegetable oils are
allowed, the best being canola, walnut, soybean, grapeseed, sesame,
sunflower and safflower oils, especially if they are labeled
"cold-pressed" or "expeller-pressed." Do not cook polyunsaturated oils,
such as corn, soybean and sunflower oil, at high temperatures or allow
to brown or smoke.

Another classic is they state no oil should ever be reused because it
may be rancid.  That's pretty crazy, as virtually all food service
places reuse oil without it going rancid as long as it's reused in a
reasonable period.
Moon Shooter - 20 Feb 2005 18:56 GMT
It is a trade off thing.
If you are rich enough to get the very best oil, get it.
If you are not that rich, supermarket soybean oils are good enough.

=>Sounds like Atkins is conflicted too.  First they say to avoid all
=>refined oils, then in how to do Atkins, while they say cold pressed
=>oils are preferred, they also say the refined versions are OK too:
=>
=>First, as posted above:
=>
=>Refined Oils
=>
=>Most of the oils on supermarket shelves have been heavily processed
=>into
=>pale, tasteless, low-nutrient versions of their original selves. Why?
=>To
=>prolong shelf life and allow heating to higher temperatures.
=>Sounds like Atkins is conflicted too.  First they say to avoid all
=>refined oils, then in how to do Atkins, while they say cold pressed
=>oils are better, they also say the refined versions are OK too:
=>
=>During the refining process, the oil is separated from its food source
=>with
=>petroleum solvents and then boiled at 400° F to evaporate the
=>solvents.
=>Chemical preservatives are frequently added to retard oxidation. Guess
=>what?
=>All of this makes overexposure to these oils unhealthy. Avoid these
=>oils,
=>especially processed corn oil.
=>
=>
=>
=>
=>Second, from how to do Atkins:
=>
=>Acceptable Fats and Oils
=>Many fats, especially certain oils, are essential to good nutrition.
=>Olive oil is particularly valuable. All other vegetable oils are
=>allowed, the best being canola, walnut, soybean, grapeseed, sesame,
=>sunflower and safflower oils, especially if they are labeled
=>"cold-pressed" or "expeller-pressed." Do not cook polyunsaturated oils,
=>such as corn, soybean and sunflower oil, at high temperatures or allow
=>to brown or smoke.
=>
=>
=>Another classic is they state no oil should ever be reused because it
=>may be rancid.  That's pretty crazy, as virtually all food service
=>places reuse oil without it going rancid as long as it's reused in a
=>reasonable period.
nanner - 19 Feb 2005 20:24 GMT
> While reading the March issue of Low Carb Energy magazine, I came
> across an article by Dr. Fred Pescatore regarding common myths about
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
>
> Anyone else ever hear this or have any more info?

I grew up with the idea that Canola oil is to be avoided and that it's total
garbage and the most unhealthy thing going. (next to margarine etc)

I have no info behind it just had it ingrained in me from my family.
 
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