Probably does not matter much. But there has been much discussion on
"water weight" and so on, especially during the initial period of lowcarb.
But when you bounce 6 or 7 pounds a day, it is beginning to make no sense.
If someone can vary as much as 6 or 7 pounds a day it becomes suspicious.
Is it the scale? I had it tested and it's a new Tanita. Checked against the
doctor's office. All good. My wife is consistently weighs in within .5
pounds. Each day.
Ok. So I do drink a lot of water. Probably not enough, but what I call a
lot. 60 to 80 oz a day. (I think. Had not measured.)
So the question is - you weigh between 245 and 251 lbs. What is your REAL
weight? the first of the morning 245, or the late afternoon 251?
Before the avalanche - yes I know one should not obsess with weighing too
many times. Once a week is preferred, by my humble research. But even then,
how can one know? Gotto arrive at your goal and stay there 2 years before
you stabilize?
Let it rip..
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Best Regards,
Steve
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Roger Zoul - 22 Feb 2005 01:15 GMT
Are you asking about water weight simply from what you drink every day while
maintaining a LC woe? Who cares? Just get on the scale at the same time
everyday and forget about it.
Or, are you asking about the additional water weight your body will hold in
your muscle and liver when you consume a large amount of carbs after being
on LC for a fair amount of time? That is a more real question, IMO, because
as you graduatelly increase your carb intake you might find yourself
approaching the higher weight. Or, if you should carb up your wieght will
increase due to holding water. So, if while on low carb you weigh X, then it
is very possible that when not on LC you could weigh X+Y, when Y is the
weight of the water held in your muscles and liver. I consider both of
those to be real, meaningful numbers.
> Probably does not matter much. But there has been much discussion on
> "water weight" and so on, especially during the initial period of
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> Tout est per?du fors l'hon?neur
Perdu - 22 Feb 2005 03:02 GMT
> Are you asking about water weight simply from what you drink every day while
> maintaining a LC woe? Who cares? Just get on the scale at the same time
> everyday and forget about it.
Pretty much. I have it figured out that the same time weight in is what
counts. I'm kind of asking the ACTUAL weight. What is the true weight. Low
on water, saturated half up or all the way up. This, using the "tank" you
have to hold the water.
Once you have balanced out, you will hold X amount of water. As a person
who does not fluctuate will. But while you are fluctuating this much, which
point is the True weight?
You're correct in - who cares. It's just a physiological question I cannot
decide. Chicken and Egg kind of thing.
Best Regards,
Steve
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FOB - 22 Feb 2005 04:00 GMT
You will always fluctuate. A pint of water weighs a pound so drink a pint
of water, beer, pop, coffee and you will weigh a pound more than you did
before drinking it. Eventually it will leave your system but not for a
while.
In news:308l1199vcfqrekflm2jcu2aartamqkqnt@4ax.com,
Perdu <perdu.conundrum@SPAMBAITgmail.com> stated
| Pretty much. I have it figured out that the same time weight in is
| what counts. I'm kind of asking the ACTUAL weight. What is the true
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Cubit - 22 Feb 2005 23:19 GMT
The chicken came first.
> > Are you asking about water weight simply from what you drink every day while
> > maintaining a LC woe? Who cares? Just get on the scale at the same time
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> Tout est per?du fors l'hon?neur
Perdu - 23 Feb 2005 00:34 GMT
On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 23:19:22 GMT, "Cubit" <no@not.not> Cried out loud...
> The chicken came first.
I knew it!
Best Regards,
Steve
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DJ Delorie - 22 Feb 2005 01:27 GMT
IMHO if you weigh yourself multiple times a day and get various
numbers, the lowest one is "you" and the rest of the weight is
"stuff". A NASA study found that about 13 lbs of food and water goes
through the average adult male astronaut every day, so in theory this
is the amount by which your weight can vary each day.
This is why I graph my weights (I only weigh once a day though). With
a long term graph, you can ignore the individual measurements and see
the long term trends.
http://www.delorie.com/health/ - get the weight print-a-chart.
Example of seeing trends behind the dots:
http://www.delorie.com/health/20030724-chart.png
Ada Ma - 22 Feb 2005 13:06 GMT
> A NASA study found that about 13 lbs of food and water goes
> through the average adult male astronaut every day, so in theory this
> is the amount by which your weight can vary each day.
Interesting stuff! And the average male astronaut wouldn't be overweight, would
he? Given that every extra pound send up in space will cost extra money, they
wouldn't want to send a 300 pounder up. So the figure for an overweight/obese
adult should be even higher. Thanks for the info.
warehouse - 22 Feb 2005 01:36 GMT
> So the question is - you weigh between 245 and 251 lbs. What is your REAL
> weight? the first of the morning 245, or the late afternoon 251?
Your real weight was 245 in the morning. Then your real weight was 251
in the afternoon. The fluctuation depends mostly on what you are
drinking and eating during the time interval between weighings. The
food flowing through your ailementary canal has mass. Sometimes you'll
have more in you then other times. The liquids you drink will affect
your weight as well as your kidneys remove any excess.
Fat gains or losses in your body will not cause the weight fluctuation
of 6 pounds in 12 hours.
Lean Body Mass gains or losses in your body will not cause the weight
fluctuation of 6 pounds in 12 hours.
Christina - 24 Feb 2005 04:27 GMT
> > So the question is - you weigh between 245 and 251 lbs. What is your
> REAL
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> in the afternoon. The fluctuation depends mostly on what you are
> drinking and eating during the time interval between weighings.
Hi...I'm new but I'm going to jump right in. I did lo-carb before and
lost a significant amount of weight, stopped due to unrelated issues,
meaning, nothing that had to do with liking, disliking, doing well, or
failing, but as a side note, I did VERY well. Gained it all back, but
that's what I'm here to fix.
I found out, during my search for snacks that were lo-carb, but
moderately well endowed with fat, that I was allergic to "genetically
mutated soy." lol...that is what the health food guy said. What
happened was that I bought some soy nuts at the grocery and over the
span of 1 day I gained 10 pounds. I was a veritible blimp! I think
that certain things you eat, even if it is not so significant as 10
lbs, could sometimes make you fluctuate like the numbers in question.
Do you keep a food diary? That can help you pinpoint what is common to
your diet on days you have a big fluctuation :)
Just a thought...
Christina
PS...my snack of choice ended up being macadamia nuts....just purchased
3 lbs over the internet...LIKE GOLD THEY ARE. 43 bucks ....but the
serving size is like 9 nuts or something, lol. Perfect for lo-carb
though...
warehouse - 24 Feb 2005 15:38 GMT
> > > So the question is - you weigh between 245 and 251 lbs. What is
> your
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> serving size is like 9 nuts or something, lol. Perfect for lo-carb
> though...
1. Go to www.fitday.com
2. Create a new profile.
3. Enter everything you've eaten in a week.
4. Publish your profile by setting the "Public Journal" on.
5. Post the Public Journal URL back here on this thread.
6. Stop eating 10 lbs. of soybeans.
Christina - 25 Feb 2005 04:42 GMT
"...
5. Post the Public Journal URL back here on this thread.
6. Stop eating 10 lbs. of soybeans. "
?? I have a food diary, thanks...I was suggesting it to the person that
started the thread....
Um...I didn't exactly eat 10 lbs of soybeans...or were you being funny?
The weight was from water retention due to the allergy. But thanks
for that, um...tip.
Were you "suggesting" I make an online public journal? I hope it was
only a suggestion... I didn't come here to do that, hope it isn't
required.
I shouldn't have assumed that because there was a lot of talk on this
thread about WATER WEIGHT that anyone would reasonably assume I meant
WATER WEIGHT and not that I had sat down and ate 10 lbs of soy nuts,
which technically are just roasted soybeans, however your post makes it
sound like I sat down with a feedbag around my neck and foundered
myself.
Actually, that was kind of a stupid thing to say to me.
Ah well.
thanks anyway, I guess.
warehouse - 25 Feb 2005 14:05 GMT
> "...
> 5. Post the Public Journal URL back here on this thread.
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>
> thanks anyway, I guess.
Oh yeah we have very stringent requirements here at asdl-c. We
maintain these Draconian forms of dietary and anthropomorphic
disclosure in order to cut right to the MEAT of the matter. You most
certainly can comprehend that various rambling text like:
> I shouldn't have assumed that because there was a lot of talk on this
> thread about WATER WEIGHT that anyone would reasonably assume I meant
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>
> Actually, that was kind of a stupid thing to say to me.
is not conducive to determining various discrete factors that could
explain your temporary weight gain. Yes Christine, you'll have to BARE
all. JPGs are fine.
Christina - 26 Feb 2005 00:41 GMT
> Oh yeah we have very stringent requirements here at asdl-c. We
> maintain these Draconian forms of dietary and anthropomorphic
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> explain your temporary weight gain. Yes Christine, you'll have to BARE
> all. JPGs are fine.
Question...would it be impolite to pretend you don't exist?
warehouse - 26 Feb 2005 02:01 GMT
> > Oh yeah we have very stringent requirements here at asdl-c. We
> > maintain these Draconian forms of dietary and anthropomorphic
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>
> Question...would it be impolite to pretend you don't exist?
No, go ahead. I'm sure you'll have more engaging conversations with
yourself than you will with me. Killfile away. You DO know how to do
that don't you?
GaryG - 22 Feb 2005 02:19 GMT
> Probably does not matter much. But there has been much discussion on
> "water weight" and so on, especially during the initial period of lowcarb.
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> So the question is - you weigh between 245 and 251 lbs. What is your REAL
> weight? the first of the morning 245, or the late afternoon 251?
As you've noticed, body weight can vary quite a bit from day to day. Most
folks who track their weight regularly find that weighing first thing in the
morning, after relieving oneself, provides a consistent number. This also
tends to be the lowest reading of the day.
As others have noted, it's the long term trend that's most important. So,
don't get too upset if you see a one-day "gain" of 2-4 lbs. Likewise, don't
think you're doing great just because you see a one-day "loss" of similar
magnitude.
For the compulsive, or the scientifically inclined, one can calculate a
"moving average" weight using Excel, or other software. This is a good way
of filtering out the daily ups and downs, and is probably more
representative of your "real" weight than any single measurement.
> Before the avalanche - yes I know one should not obsess with weighing too
> many times. Once a week is preferred, by my humble research. But even then,
> how can one know? Gotto arrive at your goal and stay there 2 years before
> you stabilize?
According to research conducted by the National Weight Control Registry,
"frequent weighing" is one of the behaviors associated with successful
weight loss. I'm under the impression that most of their research
participants (folks who have lost around 60 lbs, on average, and kept it off
for at least 1 year) weigh themselves once per day, or thereabouts.

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Doug Freyburger - 25 Feb 2005 23:36 GMT
> As others have noted, it's the long term trend that's most important.
So,
> don't get too upset if you see a one-day "gain" of 2-4 lbs. Likewise, don't
> think you're doing great just because you see a one-day "loss" of similar
> magnitude.
This argues against daily weighings by anyone.
> For the compulsive, or the scientifically inclined, one can calculate a
> "moving average" weight using Excel, or other software. This is a good way
> of filtering out the daily ups and downs, and is probably more
> representative of your "real" weight than any single measurement.
Everyone who doesn't doing trending, ignore the daily data,
and focus on the trend.
> According to research conducted by the National Weight Control Registry,
> "frequent weighing" is one of the behaviors associated with successful
> weight loss.
Do they define "frequent"? That's crucial. To me weekly
counts as frequent. To other 4 times per day does not count
as frequent. The word needs to be defined.
> I'm under the impression that most of their research
> participants (folks who have lost around 60 lbs, on average, and kept it off
> for at least 1 year) weigh themselves once per day, or thereabouts.
I was under the impression it means more than once per week.
1) The Registry folks ask questions that can not be answered
by low carbers. If something is unique to low carb using their
data is worthless. Rate of weighing I suspect is an issue
across types of plans.
2) Their members are mostly years into the plan. Does what
works best for someone several uyears in automatically work
best for someone several days or weeks in? I think the context
is too different. I see far too many posts by newbies freaking
out over weighing too often. I see very few posts by
oldbies freaking out over weighing too often. Some things
need to be learned before they are usefull, and I think weighing
more than once a week is one of theose things.
Nicky - 22 Feb 2005 13:18 GMT
> So the question is - you weigh between 245 and 251 lbs. What is your REAL
> weight? the first of the morning 245, or the late afternoon 251?
First thing in the morning. The rest is you plus whatever you've eaten or
drunk; that shouldn't count until you've had a chance to metabolise it.
Nicky.

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Mark McArthey - 22 Feb 2005 14:13 GMT
> If someone can vary as much as 6 or 7 pounds a day it becomes suspicious.
> Is it the scale? I had it tested and it's a new Tanita. Checked against
> the
> doctor's office. All good. My wife is consistently weighs in within .5
> pounds. Each day.
I don't have an answer, but you're not alone. I can weigh myself at the
same time everyday and find that I can vary up to a couple/few pounds. Over
the course of a day, I've found variances as high as 5 pounds. It used to
bother me, but I'm used to it now and as long as my belt keeps shrinking,
I'm happy. :)
Mark
rosie readandpost - 22 Feb 2005 14:49 GMT
if you MUST weigh, i recommend daily, and then give yourself a
weekly average.
i measure with the size of my jeans.
: Probably does not matter much. But there has been much discussion on
: "water weight" and so on, especially during the initial period of lowcarb.
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Moon Shooter - 23 Feb 2005 18:21 GMT
The answer to your question is very simple.
You weight 245 to 251 lbs.
So, when you weight 240 to 246 lbs, you have lost 5 lbs.
The whole purpose of the scale is to let you know the gain/loss of your weight
in similar conditions.
=>
=>
=> Probably does not matter much. But there has been much discussion on
=>"water weight" and so on, especially during the initial period of lowcarb.
=>
=> But when you bounce 6 or 7 pounds a day, it is beginning to make no sense.
=>
=> If someone can vary as much as 6 or 7 pounds a day it becomes suspicious.
=>Is it the scale? I had it tested and it's a new Tanita. Checked against the
=>doctor's office. All good. My wife is consistently weighs in within .5
=>pounds. Each day.
=>
=> Ok. So I do drink a lot of water. Probably not enough, but what I call a
=>lot. 60 to 80 oz a day. (I think. Had not measured.)
=>
=> So the question is - you weigh between 245 and 251 lbs. What is your REAL
=>weight? the first of the morning 245, or the late afternoon 251?
=>
=> Before the avalanche - yes I know one should not obsess with weighing too
=>many times. Once a week is preferred, by my humble research. But even then,
=>how can one know? Gotto arrive at your goal and stay there 2 years before
=>you stabilize?
=>
=> Let it rip..
=>__
=> Best Regards,
=>
=> Steve
=>
=>Tout est per·du fors l'hon·neur
dotkid - 23 Feb 2005 19:46 GMT
I like to weigh before going to bed and the again after a long nights
sleep. I lose 2 or 3 pounds doing that every day<g>.
I suppose you breate out a lot of water vapor overnight and maybe
perspire/evaporate some more moisture. But my very lowest is after
I sleep for 10 hours.
dk
> Probably does not matter much. But there has been much discussion on
>"water weight" and so on, especially during the initial period of lowcarb.
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diane - 23 Feb 2005 21:39 GMT
I have an AVERAGE weight. This months average is 4-5 pound less than last
months. I just reached a new low so I knew I would see a bounce up the
next morning, My body needs to adjust to the new weight.
Suits me just fine. I don't want to look like a shar-pei.
http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/sharpei.htm
Hang in there,
Diane
> I like to weigh before going to bed and the again after a long nights
> sleep. I lose 2 or 3 pounds doing that every day<g>.
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Doug Freyburger - 24 Feb 2005 04:44 GMT
> But there has been much discussion on
> "water weight" and so on, especially during the initial period of lowcarb.
>
> But when you bounce 6 or 7 pounds a day, it is beginning to make no sense.
Now you're playing disbelief games *because* you've just
seen the hard evidence that statements about water retention
swing are actually true. What's the sense in disbelieving
what you've just seen happen in yourself?
Of course water retention makes sense. Stuff happens and
one day is different from the next. The body stores carbs
dissolved in water so if you eat enough to store some
there is a bounce up. Salt same deal. New exercise
program same deal. Slow to digest meal and more of it is
still in there. You name it when it comes to reasons for
retention.
> If someone can vary as much as 6 or 7 pounds a day it becomes suspicious.
Why suspicious? Because it's completely standard and
common? Or because you don't *want* to believe the fact?
Ah, that's it, isn't it. You don't like the reality
that you have seen so you're trying to work yourself into
denial by explaining it away. Doesn't work that way.
Retention swing is real.
> Is it the scale? I had it tested and it's a new Tanita.
Scales do vary some. Usually less than retention swing.
> Checked against the doctor's office. All good.
All good as in the same amount of swing, check.
> My wife is consistently weighs in within .5
> pounds. Each day.
Okay, so her swing is smaller than yours. Shrug.
People are different.
> So the question is - you weigh between 245 and 251 lbs. What is your REAL
> weight?
Your weight is your most recent new low as long as
you have stayed on-plan enough to enusure
that you have not stored any new fat.
> the first of the morning 245, or the late afternoon 251?
BZZZT! Weighing within the same day is a way to lie to
yourself for the exclusive purpose of self sabotage. Any
later weighings within the same day have no meaning
whatsoever. It didn't happen as far as actual reality is
concerned. Get off the fricken scale you self sabotager!
> Before the avalanche - yes I know one should not obsess with weighing too
> many times.
No you do NOT know that. If you knew it you would not
be doing self sabotage by stepping on the scale so much
that you have begun to question what you actually see
happening. You know, your lost weight. Don't do
stuff to trash that. Like multiple weighings per day
for no reason except to distract you from the reality
of your loss.
> Once a week is preferred, by my humble research. But even then,
> how can one know? Gotto arrive at your goal and stay there 2 years before
> you stabilize?
Come on. A new low is a new low. Retention swing above
your most recent new low is irrelevant because it is
meaningless noise. If you've fallen off your plan so
you are storing new fat, you don't need a scale to confirm
that. You already know when you've overeaten.
Just to let you know, my swing is 5-6 pounds so your 6-7
is not unusual.