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Secrets for successful dining out
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Kaede Nakao - 25 Feb 2005 01:49 GMT Temptation is in the restaurant . . . any suggestions?? Kaede
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JC Der Koenig - 25 Feb 2005 01:58 GMT Butch up.
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> Temptation is in the restaurant . . . any suggestions?? > Kaede > > 176.5/??/115 > http://knakao.blogspot.com/ revek - 25 Feb 2005 02:09 GMT > Temptation is in the restaurant . . . any suggestions?? Have a small protien snack before going. I know, it smacks of "why go out?", but it can reduce the temptation to have "just a bite". Stick with steamed (or grilled) veggies and plain protien and you'll do ok. Bring your own lowcarb sauces/dressings if you can. Think about what you want to order before you go, and don't look at the menu. It's designed to get you to fill up on all the cheap (for them) carbs. Above all, don't think about what you can't have, but rather remind yourself that lowcarb is not only a healthier way to eat, it's more luxurious, and classier too-- ie you're giving yourself a *real* treat everytime you treat your body right.
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Jennifer - 25 Feb 2005 02:21 GMT and the success is in the ordering.
Order right, eat right.
Jennifer
> Temptation is in the restaurant . . . any suggestions?? > Kaede > > 176.5/??/115 > http://knakao.blogspot.com/ Ignoramus30876 - 25 Feb 2005 03:05 GMT the secret is this, the less you dine out, the more successful you are.
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The Queen of Cans and Jars - 25 Feb 2005 03:53 GMT > the secret is this, the less you dine out, the more successful you are. i definitely agree with this. it is much easier to consistently maintain good habits when you prepare your own food at home.
Ignoramus30876 - 25 Feb 2005 05:04 GMT >> the secret is this, the less you dine out, the more successful you are. > > i definitely agree with this. it is much easier to consistently > maintain good habits when you prepare your own food at home. One of those rare moments when we agree... It must be savoured...
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awilson42@gmail.com - 25 Feb 2005 05:47 GMT For me, it hasn't been the avoidance of eating out. It's been the avoidance of eating out at places where I'll be tempted to go off-plan.
The Queen of Cans and Jars - 25 Feb 2005 15:27 GMT > >> the secret is this, the less you dine out, the more successful you are. > > > > i definitely agree with this. it is much easier to consistently > > maintain good habits when you prepare your own food at home. > > One of those rare moments when we agree... It must be savoured...
:) awilson42@gmail.com - 25 Feb 2005 09:52 GMT Actually, for me, it's easier to have good habits eating out - as long as I stick to the same few places. It's at home that I'm tempted to just go for something quick.
Roger Zoul - 25 Feb 2005 11:45 GMT > Actually, for me, it's easier to have good habits eating out - as long > as I stick to the same few places. It's at home that I'm tempted to > just go for something quick. I eat quick stuff all the time at home. It comes down to what you eat and how much, though.
Marsha - 25 Feb 2005 23:18 GMT >>the secret is this, the less you dine out, the more successful you are. > > i definitely agree with this. it is much easier to consistently > maintain good habits when you prepare your own food at home. Not to mention you know that nobody dropped it on the floor, sneezed in it, etc.
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The Queen of Cans and Jars - 26 Feb 2005 04:09 GMT > >>the secret is this, the less you dine out, the more successful you are. > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Not to mention you know that nobody dropped it on the floor, > sneezed in it, etc. truly.
Ignoramus6609 - 26 Feb 2005 05:35 GMT >>>the secret is this, the less you dine out, the more successful you are. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Not to mention you know that nobody dropped it on the floor, > sneezed in it, etc. ... or, at least, you know that if someone did drop it on the floor or sneezed in it, that was you. :)
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rosie readandpost - 26 Feb 2005 13:33 GMT : >>the secret is this, the less you dine out, the more successful you are. successful at what? staying home and not making LOW CARB a lifestyle? imo, the sooner a person learns HOW to LIVE life while LOW CARBING, which for me includes restaurants, the sooner it becomes a WOL (way of life). YMMV, rosie
Ada Ma - 26 Feb 2005 22:28 GMT > : >>the secret is this, the less you dine out, the more successful > you are. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > YMMV, > rosie But you have to admit it's easier to control what goes into your stomach when you're at home, right?? It's easier to go to a steakhouse and dine out low carb but if you have no choice over what kind of restaurant you go to, e.g. when going out with a bunch of friends, it can get rather trying esp. the OP has only just started.
Kevin Stevens - 25 Feb 2005 04:58 GMT > the secret is this, the less you dine out, the more successful you are. Nonsense. I eat out more than a dozen times a week. Google up some of my posts on the subject.
KeS
Ignoramus30876 - 25 Feb 2005 05:04 GMT >> the secret is this, the less you dine out, the more successful you are. > > Nonsense. I eat out more than a dozen times a week. Google up some of > my posts on the subject. I googled some of your posts, you seem to be at 217 lbs at the moment.
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Kevin Stevens - 25 Feb 2005 06:15 GMT > >> the secret is this, the less you dine out, the more successful you are. > > > > Nonsense. I eat out more than a dozen times a week. Google up some of > > my posts on the subject. > > I googled some of your posts, you seem to be at 217 lbs at the moment. Um, yes.. is that a problem? If you're implying my WOE is unsuccessful, I've dropped 88 lbs since I started 8/1/4, and am about 75% of the way to goal. If you found anything that had 217 in it, I believe it had the rest of the stats as well, so you knew that and chose to ignore it.
If you have another point, please make it. *My* point is that success or failure isn't tied to eating in or out. I ate out a lot when I was gaining weight, and I eat out a lot while I'm losing weight. Because something is a problem for you doesn't make it a universal.
KeS
Roger Zoul - 25 Feb 2005 11:35 GMT >> >> the secret is this, the less you dine out, the more successful >> >> you are. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > gaining weight, and I eat out a lot while I'm losing weight. Because > something is a problem for you doesn't make it a universal. Not to mention that 217 could be a very good weight for you. Never let others attempt to define what is best for you. If you're honest with yourself, you're the best judge.
The fact of the matter is, one doesn't have to give in to temptation. That's a choice.
The Queen of Cans and Jars - 25 Feb 2005 14:41 GMT > *My* point is that success or failure isn't tied to eating in or out. maybe it isn't for you, but you're not everybody. we can't all do the exact same thing and get the exact same results.
Kevin_Stevens@hotmail.com - 25 Feb 2005 18:50 GMT > > *My* point is that success or failure isn't tied to eating in or out. > > maybe it isn't for you, but you're not everybody. we can't all do the > exact same thing and get the exact same results. That was exactly my point. Ignoramus made a global statement that eating out led to less success. That's simply not true, and since a global statement can be invalidated by a single contrary experience, I offered my own.
No doubt some people have more problems eating out - no doubt others have fewer or lesser problems eating out. *I'm* not the one saying one or the other is better in all cases.
However, I do resist a lot of the blanket statements that are thrown out as truisms, (such as "you'll have more success the less you dine out"), because it creates an unnecessarily limiting experience. For any individual, if you applied all the prescriptions and proscriptions that are posted as gospel, you'd be living on distilled water and bread, and turning down the bread! ;) And one of the GREAT things about low-carb, in my experience, is that it's much EASIER to eat out while staying on plan than with lots of other diet plans. So, I don't think it helpful/supportive to warn people off restaurants, particularly with unfounded generalizations.
Is that better?
KeS
The Queen of Cans and Jars - 25 Feb 2005 22:15 GMT > > > *My* point is that success or failure isn't tied to eating in or out. > > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Is that better? eh. kinda sanctimonious, actually.
but yes - you clarified your point, and i thank you for it.
Perdu - 26 Feb 2005 02:49 GMT > That was exactly my point. Ignoramus made a global statement that eating > out led to less success. That's simply not true, and since a global > statement can be invalidated by a single contrary experience, I offered my > own. Let's kind of agree that eating out on LC is an artform. Ordering on LC is an artform as well. Shopping for food is an artform.
I can't imagine a more health conscious way of eating, since you are paying attention to food like never before, when you do it right. I also find it somewhat narcissistic. Don't know exactly where that comes from.
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Ada Ma - 26 Feb 2005 22:37 GMT >>That was exactly my point. Ignoramus made a global statement that eating >>out led to less success. That's simply not true, and since a global [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > paying attention to food like never before, when you do it right. I also > find it somewhat narcissistic. Don't know exactly where that comes from. Ordering LC - I guess it just takes practising. You find it narcissistic possibly because you aren't used to putting your demand across and asking others to adjust to your needs/desire?
Perdu - 27 Feb 2005 00:52 GMT > >>That was exactly my point. Ignoramus made a global statement that eating > >>out led to less success. That's simply not true, and since a global [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > possibly because you aren't used to putting your demand across and asking others > to adjust to your needs/desire? Oh not at all. I'm normally very demanding. As I had noted, I don't know exactly where the 'narcissistic' feeling of taking care of yourself comes from.
It is a feeling that is a way satisfying, to know you're paying attention. On the other hand, it is almost as if you pay too much attention to yourself. Which, logically is impossible. It's just a feeling.
I'm getting well used to it. Just a bit strange.
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JC Der Koenig - 25 Feb 2005 12:02 GMT How much bodyfat are you carrying as a percentage?
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>> the secret is this, the less you dine out, the more successful you are. > > Nonsense. I eat out more than a dozen times a week. Google up some of > my posts on the subject. > > KeS warehouse - 25 Feb 2005 15:10 GMT > and the success is in the ordering. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > 176.5/??/115 > > http://knakao.blogspot.com/ Jennifer, I agree with your approach versus not going out to eat. It has been my experience that most restaurants want to cater to the needs of the customers and will welcome substitutions of dishes. For instance at a mid-Atlantic diner franchise "Silver Diner", they always will exchange a potato side with broccoli or spinach. Hash browns and toast that come with a steak and egg breakfast are exchanged for grilled tomatoe slices.
There are unknowns with this approach for some foods that are prepared with mayonnaise like tuna salad and chicken salad. Some restaurants you high fructose corn syrup-based salad dressing instead of a straight soybean oil, egg yolk, vinegar based mayonnaise.
Authentic BBQ is a perennial restaurant favorite as the rubs do not contain sugar and they are not coated in any sauce at all. Just fantastically moist and tender brisket that melts in your mouth. Hot wings are another choice.
At Chinese restaurants there is often a fish/seafood/chicken/beef dish that can be ordered without their usual Americanized corn syrup-based sauces.
There are choices available and then accomodations can be made at restaurants. Just be certain to explain precisely what you want. Send back the food that you did not order. The chefs will understand.
awilson42@gmail.com - 25 Feb 2005 22:35 GMT warehouse,
>Jennifer, I agree with your approach versus not going out to eat. It >has been my experience that most restaurants want to cater to the needs >of the customers and will welcome substitutions of dishes. My experience, too. I avoid places that don't do substitutions. And more and more restaurants (such as Claim Jumper - one of my faves) are offering you a choice of side dishes as opposed to "comes with one potato and one veggie".
> For instance at a mid-Atlantic diner franchise "Silver Diner", they always
>will exchange a potato side with broccoli or spinach. Hash browns and >toast that come with a steak and egg breakfast are exchanged for >grilled tomatoe slices. Most of the places I go to, will do this. At Mimi's, I can always get salad greens instead of potato, when I order an omelette.
>There are unknowns with this approach for some foods that are prepared >with mayonnaise like tuna salad and chicken salad. Some restaurants >you high fructose corn syrup-based salad dressing instead of a straight >soybean oil, egg yolk, vinegar based mayonnaise. Which is why I always get oil and vinegar only.
>At Chinese restaurants there is often a fish/seafood/chicken/beef dish >that can be ordered without their usual Americanized corn syrup-based >sauces. Been my experience, too.
Kevin_Stevens@hotmail.com - 25 Feb 2005 23:08 GMT > My experience, too. I avoid places that don't do substitutions. And > more and more restaurants (such as Claim Jumper - one of my faves) are > offering you a choice of side dishes as opposed to "comes with one > potato and one veggie". Claim Jumper, yum! Rotisserie chicken, small blue cheese wedge, no onions, and roast asparagus as the side. They have great asparagus!
KeS
Cubit - 25 Feb 2005 16:10 GMT Eat the right foods just before going, so you are in better control as you hold the menu.
> Temptation is in the restaurant . . . any suggestions?? > Kaede > > 176.5/??/115 > http://knakao.blogspot.com/ Perdu - 26 Feb 2005 02:44 GMT > Temptation is in the restaurant . . . any suggestions?? > Kaede > > 176.5/??/115 > http://knakao.blogspot.com/ Yeah. Avoid Ground Round. It just showed up around here, and when I asked a "protein style" burger they looked at me if I was from outer space.
I explained how I want this $10.00 burger. They brought me a piece of small cardboard on 3 slices of pickle and a cup of chopped up lettuce on the side.
The rest is too ugly of an incident to tell about.
___ Best Regards, Steve
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Kaede Nakao - 26 Feb 2005 15:07 GMT I have actually been out to eat twice since I posted my question. A lot of really good ideas and suggestions, many of which make a lot of sense. I was also successful, and as I start today, day seven, I can say I have not slipped up once. Hard to believe!
The night we went out for dinner was a steak and lobster dinner with steamed veggies and salad. The beef sort of disagreed with me, but it does if I have not eaten it for a bit. Yesterday was lunch at Macaroni Grill with a friend in LA, and they actually have a nice low carb section. I had the chicken salad. I admit I looked at the bread and oil, but that is all I did. Maybe I drooled a little, but that's all!
Have not stepped on the scale yet, and probably will not until tomorrow or Monday at the gym. But the truth is, I have done it so far, and I can continue despite the lures of food!
Thanks to all for your suggestions. Kaede
176.5/??/115 http://knakao.blogspot.com/
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