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Jody Scott - 26 Feb 2005 10:41 GMT
Hi

I've been doing Atkins with my fiance since around the start of Jan 05.  
I started at just over 80kg and am presently 72.2kg, down 5% body fat
and lost 9cm from my waist.  The results are beyond my expectations, and
weight loss was only one of my reasons for doing it as I only had a few
kilos to lose.  

I enjoy the diet as I love meat, but sometimes I will have a meal with
just veggies if I think I've been eating too much meat and neglecting my
veggies.  I try to keep it balanced.  I've started to enjoy other foods
I never took much notice of before - for instance I now try a different
cheese each week.

My fiance finds it a little harder and restrictive at times.  She has
cheated a couple of times and managed to get away with it - and I mean
cheated!!  Although she put on weight for the first time since we
started this week.

My question, is it ok to occasionally have a high carb meal (such as a
few slices of pizza, a burger on the run, lunch at Sizzler, etc),
provided you go straight back to the LC meals the next day, and limit to
20g for a day or two (two day induction say).  With four slices of pizza
at dinner, but low carb meals the rest of the day I calculated you'd
probably be around 80g.  Given the exercise I do for all I know it may
not be enough to knock me out of ketosis anyway.

It seems to be to me more psychological, and helps to just break things
up.  We were looking at no more than one, maybe two meals a month.  Say
if we wanted to go to a chinese restaraunt and enjoy a meal with some
fried rice.

I'd also be selecting the meal looking for what would be lowest in
carbs.  For instance I looked at the nutrition info published on the
Dominos Pizza website and ordered the pizza with the lowest carbs per
slice.

Provided we don't fall back in to old habits of eating fast food for
convenience I can't see a problem.  

My main question was were there any positive/negative health effects to
giving the body a burst of carbs periodically.

Any thoughts ?

Thanks
Jody
diane - 26 Feb 2005 11:39 GMT
This is a life time plan, so we all will have our days-just remember to get
back to plan the next day and maybe exercise a little harder to remind
yourself of that.

There will be birthdays, vacations, etc- you need to learn how to deal with
these.

Understand that we should eat carbs at every meal...spread your daily
allowance out, so your not having a carb heavy meal. Limit those high carb
items.  Does the 2nd piece of pizza REALLY taste as good as the first one??
have a salad with it and you will be better off.

Half of our battle is changing the way we think.

Diane

> Hi
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> Thanks
> Jody
Jody Scott - 26 Feb 2005 11:45 GMT
Hi Diane

Thanks for the tip.  I actually discovered I can't eat as much pizza as I
used to.  I ate until I felt full and now I feel bloated and wondered why I
craved it in the first place.

I'll try what you suggest next time and have something with it instead, so
I'm getting the taste and satisfying the craving, but not eating the rest
of it because it happens to be there.

Jody

> This is a life time plan, so we all will have our days-just remember
> to get back to plan the next day and maybe exercise a little harder to
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> Diane
trader4@optonline.net - 26 Feb 2005 13:31 GMT
"My question, is it ok to occasionally have a high carb meal (such as a

few slices of pizza, a burger on the run, lunch at Sizzler, etc),
provided you go straight back to the LC meals the next day, and limit
to
20g for a day or two (two day induction say).  With four slices of
pizza
at dinner, but low carb meals the rest of the day I calculated you'd
probably be around 80g.  Given the exercise I do for all I know it may
not be enough to knock me out of ketosis anyway.

It seems to be to me more psychological, and helps to just break things

up.  We were looking at no more than one, maybe two meals a month.  Say

if we wanted to go to a chinese restaraunt and enjoy a meal with some
fried rice.

I'd also be selecting the meal looking for what would be lowest in
carbs.  For instance I looked at the nutrition info published on the
Dominos Pizza website and ordered the pizza with the lowest carbs per
slice.

Provided we don't fall back in to old habits of eating fast food for
convenience I can't see a problem.
My main question was were there any positive/negative health effects to

giving the body a burst of carbs periodically.

Any thoughts ? "

It depends where you are in terms of weight loss, what your
expectations are, and how often you do it and for how long.   For
example, for someone in maintenance having a higher carb meal once or
twice a week is a lot different than someone who's only been doing
Atkins for a month and still has 30lbs to lose.  The maintenance person
is where they want to be, knows the plan works for them, has learned
how to eat correctly, etc.  If they do add a few pounds, or carb
cravings return, they will very likely be able to deal with it and do
the right things to get back on track.

For someone who's only been doing Atkins for a month and still has a
lot of weight to lose, it's far more dangerous.  Without all the
positive experience and knowledge it's far more likely that a venture
into high carbs for a day will then lead to another day, or maybe 3
days.  Even doing it one day a week may lead to very slow weight loss
or none at all.  Then after a month of no weight loss, they are more
likely to conclude that LC doesn't work and give up.

It's interesting that pizza was one of the examples of food that you
want to go off plan for.  Instead of doing that, why not make a LC
version?   There are excellent solutions available, ranging from making
it with no crust, to using a LC crust, either mix or ready made.  Crust
recipes are available on LC and Loving It on foodtv.com.  Carbsense
makes and excellent parmesan/herb mix.  I wouldn't go crazy with either
of these.  They are certainly not for induction, however during OWL,
they are fine for occasional use.  Certainly a lot better than going
the high carb route.
Jody - 26 Feb 2005 22:07 GMT
I live in regional Australia and low carb products are not readily
available.  The health food store has some, mainly Atkins and the
Empower range.  We have been using the low carb tortillas to make things
like lasange.  They have bake mix and something you can use to make
pizza crust which is around $12.

I plan to make the low carb pizza base at some stage.  

We got take out more for convenience in this particular instance.

 

> It depends where you are in terms of weight loss, what your
> expectations are, and how often you do it and for how long.   For
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> during OWL, they are fine for occasional use.  Certainly a lot better
> than going the high carb route.
JC Der Koenig - 26 Feb 2005 22:22 GMT
Meat, cheese, eggs and lettuce are not readily available?

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>I live in regional Australia and low carb products are not readily
> available.
Jody - 26 Feb 2005 22:19 GMT
We actually saw these carb supressent tablets at the supermarket the
otehr day.  Apparently you take 2-3 around 30 minutes before a high carb
meal and they effectively absorb all the carbs and neutralise them.

According to the box this allows you to consume a high carb meal, but
have only minimal carbs actually being absorbed by the system and
effectively cheat for free.

Have you heard of these at all ?  I don't usually go on these sort of
products as it seems unnatural, but ofcourse my fiance figures it is
perfect as she seems to want to cheat more than I do.

> It depends where you are in terms of weight loss, what your
> expectations are, and how often you do it and for how long.   For
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> they are fine for occasional use.  Certainly a lot better than going
> the high carb route.
JC Der Koenig - 26 Feb 2005 22:22 GMT
Quit looking for magic pills and elixirs, follow a strict low carb plan, eat
less, and exercise more.

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> We actually saw these carb supressent tablets at the supermarket the
> otehr day.  Apparently you take 2-3 around 30 minutes before a high carb
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>> they are fine for occasional use.  Certainly a lot better than going
>> the high carb route.
AngieRose - 27 Feb 2005 00:42 GMT
> We actually saw these carb supressent tablets at the supermarket the
> otehr day.  Apparently you take 2-3 around 30 minutes before a high carb
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> products as it seems unnatural, but ofcourse my fiance figures it is
> perfect as she seems to want to cheat more than I do.

If it sounds to good to be true chances are it is. If you cant live with out
a cheat then do it, but don't delude your self just so you feel better about
it. All that is going to do is make you cheat all the more.

If you don't have a hard time with this WOE. Why not help your fiance by not
cheating when she does, set an example you would be surprised who much that
could help her.

Angie
diane - 27 Feb 2005 01:14 GMT
unnatural and what else is it doing.  If it's blocking fat or carbs, is it
blocking the absorbsion of nutrients?

> We actually saw these carb supressent tablets at the supermarket the
> otehr day.  Apparently you take 2-3 around 30 minutes before a high carb
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>> they are fine for occasional use.  Certainly a lot better than going
>> the high carb route.
diane - 27 Feb 2005 01:13 GMT
It's interesting that pizza was one of the examples of food that you
want to go off plan for.  Instead of doing that, why not make a LC
version?   There are excellent solutions available, ranging from making
it with no crust, to using a LC crust, either mix or ready made.  Crust
recipes are available on LC and Loving It on foodtv.com.  Carbsense
makes and excellent parmesan/herb mix.  I wouldn't go crazy with either
of these.  They are certainly not for induction, however during OWL,
they are fine for occasional use.  Certainly a lot better than going
the high carb route.

I go even easier than that. Just put sausage or pepperoni in a pan and bake
cheese over it- Its what I really like on my pizza anyway.

If I do eat pizza- I take my 2 slices ( my fare share) and peel off the
crust. Whether it goes into the dog dish or my stomach is my business. My
dog loves pizza night lol!
diane - 27 Feb 2005 01:09 GMT
I have a rule. ( I'm not on induction) When I'm at a party or what ever- I
do take a tiny portion of that special dish. I now know what it tastes like,
and most always, I don't want any more. I never go to a party hungry, unless
I know there is low carb food.

You can eat anything...if the piece is small enough. There probably is a
wiser choice of what to eat, though.

> Hi Diane
>
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>> Diane
rosie readandpost - 26 Feb 2005 13:39 GMT
jody,
i eat a "carby" meal once in awhile, but follow the CAD
(carbohydrate addicts diet) suggestions to do so.
i start and finish my "carby" meal in a one hour time period.
maybe once weekly!
rosie
Jody - 26 Feb 2005 22:11 GMT
I've seen a few references to CAD now so I might go and google it and see
what I find.

Thanks

" rosie readandpost" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in news:_Z_Td.23524
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> jody,
> i eat a "carby" meal once in awhile, but follow the CAD
> (carbohydrate addicts diet) suggestions to do so.
> i start and finish my "carby" meal in a one hour time period.
> maybe once weekly!
> rosie
Cubit - 26 Feb 2005 15:59 GMT
I suppose most people will be tempted to try a high carb day.  There is a
high risk that it will cause a return of carb cravings.  Also, if you have
been in ketosis for a while, a high carb day will likely make you feel ill.

Low carb is properly done high fat.  If you add back in high carbs you now
have the known deadly combination of high carbs and high fat.

Your fiance is "cheating."  It will have consequences.

> Hi
>
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> Thanks
> Jody
Jody - 26 Feb 2005 22:15 GMT
That was my main concern as I eat a lot of low carb foods which are mostly
high in fat (sausages etc).  In the absence of the carbs it isn't a
problem.

When I consume all that fat and then all the carbs, like you say I'm in the
typical unhealthy diet.  I also wasn't sure what effect the sudden change
on the system from fat burning back to carb burning and going out of
ketosis and then back to it would do.

My plan was if we eat out and eat a high carb meal, that we limit the fat
with those meals, or on that day so it is more low fat high carb.  I still
plan to stay away from things like potatoes, so maybe a burger but not the
fries.

My fiance actually had bad diarohea the following day after she 'binged'
and felt pretty sick.  I didn't have any such problems but didn't binge as
much as she did.

> I suppose most people will be tempted to try a high carb day.  There
> is a high risk that it will cause a return of carb cravings.  Also, if
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>
> Your fiance is "cheating."  It will have consequences.
Ignoramus2026 - 28 Feb 2005 14:09 GMT
> That was my main concern as I eat a lot of low carb foods which are mostly
> high in fat (sausages etc).

There is nothing wrong with eating high fat foods, on a low carb diet.

> In the absence of the carbs it isn't a problem.
>
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> plan to stay away from things like potatoes, so maybe a burger but not the
> fries.

Watch what happens the next day rather than the same day. You may find
yourself overeating, and that would be because of the carbs that you
ate previously.

> My fiance actually had bad diarohea the following day after she 'binged'
> and felt pretty sick.  I didn't have any such problems but didn't binge as
> much as she did.

good for you, bad for her.

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Ignoramus2026 - 28 Feb 2005 14:06 GMT
It is okay to do anything if it does not interfere with your goals and
is not unethical. So, if you or your fiance or whatever, can eat high
carb meals and lose weight, then, by all means, you can do it. If you
or she find that it interferes with your goals, then, do not do it. If
she "cheats" and is not losing weight, then, she should stop
cheating.

If she "wants" to lose weight and yet continues to do things that
interfere with her goals, she has a mental problem of unknown
magnitude.

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