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Weight Loss Forum / Low Carb / April 2005PING JC: TKD?
Well, JC, I finally took your advice and starting lifting-only took me about a year after you suggested it. I'm still low carbing, so I am wondering about starting a TKD so I have more juice on my lifting days. What's your opinion of TKD, and do you have any advice or pointers? From what I've seen, it's 25-50 gm of carbs 30-60 min. before starting-any suggestions on good sources of carbs? I hate SweetTarts, and I'll be going broke trying to buy that many glucose tabs. TIA for any advice! Lynne A embstop@rushmore.com > From what I've seen, it's 25-50 gm of carbs 30-60 min. before > starting-any suggestions on good sources of carbs? I hate > SweetTarts, and I'll be going broke trying to buy that many glucose > tabs. Any starch will do, like a bagel. > > From what I've seen, it's 25-50 gm of carbs 30-60 min. before > > starting-any suggestions on good sources of carbs? I hate > > SweetTarts, and I'll be going broke trying to buy that many glucose > > tabs. > > Any starch will do, like a bagel. Bagels??? Awesome!! I really, really miss bagels-biiiiig smooch for you, DJ! Lynne A embstop@rushmore.com > > Any starch will do, like a bagel. > > Bagels??? Awesome!! I really, really miss bagels-biiiiig smooch for you, DJ! Hey, notice I said BAGEL. Not BAGELS. One big bagel is 50g of carbs! > > > Any starch will do, like a bagel. > > > > Bagels??? Awesome!! I really, really miss bagels-biiiiig smooch for you, DJ! > > Hey, notice I said BAGEL. Not BAGELS. One big bagel is 50g of carbs! I didn't mean more than one at once<G> But the thought of getting to eat a lovely bagel every other day is just wonderful! Lynne A embstop@rushmore.com >> > > Any starch will do, like a bagel. >> > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I didn't mean more than one at once<G> But the thought of getting to > eat a lovely bagel every other day is just wonderful! This is messed up. > Lynne A > embstop@rushmore.com > >> > > Any starch will do, like a bagel. > >> > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Lynne A > > embstop@rushmore.com How so? Lynne A embstop@rushmore.com >> >> > > Any starch will do, like a bagel. >> >> > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > How so? Do you have a need for a TKD? Don't use the fact that you're lifting as any automatic excuse to start eating bagels and other starchy foods. People who do 2 lb dumbbell curls generally don't need any kind of extra carbs. > Lynne A > embstop@rushmore.com > Do you have a need for a TKD? Don't use the fact that you're lifting as > any > automatic excuse to start eating bagels and other starchy foods. People > who > do 2 lb dumbbell curls generally don't need any kind of extra carbs. On the other hand, if controlled properly, a CKD can be useful in progressing down the path towards lower bodyfat, even if one is not lifting relatively intensely nor for relatively extended sessions. > > Do you have a need for a TKD? Don't use the fact that you're lifting as > > any [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > progressing down the path towards lower bodyfat, even if one is not lifting > relatively intensely nor for relatively extended sessions. Thanks JC! I'm not looking for an excuse to pig out, just wanna try some different approaches and see what works for me. Lynne A embstop@rushmore.com > >> > I didn't mean more than one at once<G> But the thought of getting > >> > to eat a lovely bagel every other day is just wonderful! [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Lynne A > > embstop@rushmore.com Geeez, Roger, just cause I enjoy the idea of a bagel doesn't mean I'm looking for excuses-if I was really dying for a bagel, I'd just go ahead and eat the damned thing! Do I have a need for a TKD? No idea! But the only way I'm gonna know what works best for me, to achieve the results I want, is to try the different variations, ya know? BTW, I AM a wuss these days, but it's 10 lb curls, not 2-I ain't THAT wussy. I'm working my a.s off to reach a reasonable level of strength as quickly as possible, and if diet can help that, I'm going to try it. My current working routine is-every other day, lifting for an hour in the morning, yoga in the evening. On alternating days, I do Pilates 2x a day. Except on the weekends, when I only lift and do one Pilates session. It's a fair amount of work for someone who's been sedentary for the past 3 years! And if diet might make it more productive, hey, I'm there! Lynne A embstop@rushmore.com >> >> > I didn't mean more than one at once<G> But the thought of >> >> > getting to eat a lovely bagel every other day is just wonderful! [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > achieve the results I want, is to try the different variations, ya > know? Sure. But do you have any reason to think that what you're doing now isn't working or isn't best for you? BTW, I AM a wuss these days, but it's 10 lb curls, not 2-I > ain't THAT wussy. I'm working my a.s off to reach a reasonable level > of strength as quickly as possible, and if diet can help that, I'm [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > work for someone who's been sedentary for the past 3 years! And if > diet might make it more productive, hey, I'm there! It seems as if you might burn out. Playing with the carb ups can be a slippery slope and, IMO, doing so without a clear reason is not a good idea. You're a beginner lifter and you're not doing any cardio...and I don't think you really need carb up yet. Also, there is the basic notion of simply increasing your daily carb level flat out to support your greater activity level. > Lynne A > embstop@rushmore.com > Sure. But do you have any reason to think that what you're doing now isn't > working or isn't best for you? The fact that it's totally kicking my a.s?LOL > It seems as if you might burn out. Playing with the carb ups can be a > slippery slope and, IMO, doing so without a clear reason is not a good idea. > You're a beginner lifter and you're not doing any cardio...and I don't think > you really need carb up yet. Burnout is a very real concern of mine! But so is establishing some serious habits to improve my health-it's a difficult situation. I'm kind of afraid to stop, that I may NEVER start again. I did decide when I added the second workouts, that I would cut them out if I started to feel overworked too badly. As far as cardio, have you ever done Pilates??LOL My heartrate is up there the whole time. I will be adding the elliptical instead of the yoga at some point though-right now flexibility and stamina are my big concerns-I'm stiff as a board from such a long time of inactivity. I definitely respect your opinions on carbups potentially being a dangerous thing, but I've been low carbing for a while now, and feel *fairly* confident in my ability to stick with my diet. If I do decide to try a TKD or CKD, I will definitely keep in mind though, that it's risky and that I need to really keep a tight rein on things. > Also, there is the basic notion of simply increasing your daily carb level > flat out to support your greater activity level. Definitely another possibility, if I can achieve a balance between higher carbs and fat loss. Basically I'm just considering all my options and trying to decide what will work best for me. It's all one great big science experiment, no? Lynne A embstop@rushmore.com >>Sure. But do you have any reason to think that what you're doing now > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > The fact that it's totally kicking my a.s?LOL You just started...give it time....it sounds as if you're doing too much for a newbie... >>It seems as if you might burn out. Playing with the carb ups can be a >>slippery slope and, IMO, doing so without a clear reason is not a good [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > habits to improve my health-it's a difficult situation. I'm kind of afraid > to stop, that I may NEVER start again. A real committment will prevent that....that's something I never worry about... New habits come with easing into the changes, not being smacked silly by them! :) I did decide when I added the second > workouts, that I would cut them out if I started to feel overworked too > badly. Do you? >As far as cardio, have you ever done Pilates??LOL No...I have not... > My heartrate is > up there the whole time. Interesting...I had not heard that Pilates was a cardio workout. I tried it for about 10 minutes...gave the DVD away. > I will be adding the elliptical instead of the > yoga at some point though-right now flexibility and stamina are my big > concerns-I'm stiff as a board from such a long time of inactivity. I say go slowly and work up over time. Don't go too hard too quickly. > I definitely respect your opinions on carbups potentially being a dangerous > thing, but I've been low carbing for a while now, and feel *fairly* > confident in my ability to stick with my diet. But, have you done a carb up? > If I do decide to try a TKD > or CKD, I will definitely keep in mind though, that it's risky and that I > need to really keep a tight rein on things. The TKDs are easier to deal with...the water weight gain after a CKD may bother you...AND, if you're diabetic or IR, there can be other issues to consider.. >>Also, there is the basic notion of simply increasing your daily carb level >>flat out to support your greater activity level. > Definitely another possibility, if I can achieve a balance between higher > carbs and fat loss. Basically I'm just considering all my options and > trying to decide what will work best for me. It's all one great big science > experiment, no? That is so! Go slowly. You'll get there. > >>Sure. But do you have any reason to think that what you're doing now > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > You just started...give it time....it sounds as if you're doing too much > for a newbie... Probably ;-)) > >>It seems as if you might burn out. Playing with the carb ups can be a > >>slippery slope and, IMO, doing so without a clear reason is not a good [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > New habits come with easing into the changes, not being smacked silly by > them! :) I really am trying to make sure this is a real commitment, I feel a lot better already, just for getting off my arse and moving some. I just know I am capable of being REALLY lazy, as the past three years shows. Granted, I was injured part of that time, but not all of it! > I did decide when I added the second > > workouts, that I would cut them out if I started to feel overworked too > > badly. > > Do you? Not so far, although I do have to push to do that second workout some nights. > >As far as cardio, have you ever done Pilates??LOL > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Interesting...I had not heard that Pilates was a cardio workout. I tried > it for about 10 minutes...gave the DVD away. It's technically not a cardio workout, but for a newbie, it is VERY challenging and has me really working hard. The heartrate is definitely up in the beginning! > > I will be adding the elliptical instead of the > > yoga at some point though-right now flexibility and stamina are my big [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > But, have you done a carb up? Oh, yeah, did today as a matter of fact-once every 4-6 weeks, my low fat friend and I ignore our respective diets for a meal and eat whatever we want. So far, no major problems getting back on track. For dinner tonight (if I eat at all), I'll likely have a salad or such. Low carb and light! > > If I do decide to try a TKD > > or CKD, I will definitely keep in mind though, that it's risky and that I [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > bother you...AND, if you're diabetic or IR, there can be other issues to > consider.. Eh, water's just water, I know it goes away as quickly as it comes on. I do think the TKD would be an easier place to start, though. > >>Also, there is the basic notion of simply increasing your daily carb level > >>flat out to support your greater activity level. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Go slowly. You'll get there. Thanks for the encouragement! Lynne A embstop@rushmore.com I can't believe anyone here is actually taking advice from JC, that is a scary thought! There really is a "sucker" born every minute...  SignatureSTARTED ATKINS AS A 31 Y/O WM: 3-1-04 @ 6'1", 310 lbs! COMPLETED ATKINS AS A 32 Y/O WM: 10-30-04 @ 6'1", 168 lbs! TOTAL WEIGHT LOSS: 142 lbs! *NO EXCESS FLAB OR SKIN - 100% COMPLETELY TONED WITHOUT ANY 'COSMETIC' SURGERY*! (Yeah, I was VERY lucky)! To this day, I STILL eat 'low carb', I just don't 'count'! > Well, JC, I finally took your advice and starting lifting-only took me > about [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Lynne A > embstop@rushmore.com > I can't believe anyone here is actually taking advice from JC, that is a > scary thought! [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Lynne A > > embstop@rushmore.com And you know exactly WHAT about TKD and CKD?? Oh, and BTW-suck my dick Lynne A embstop@rushmore.com You gotta dick? ROFL...... My trainer eats a banana instead of a bagel. I didnt ask him why but he does. Laureen 410/326/180 > > I can't believe anyone here is actually taking advice from JC, that is a > > scary thought! [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > Lynne A > embstop@rushmore.com > My trainer eats a banana instead of a bagel. I thought of that, as it was suggested by my trainer also. Bananas have potassium, which may help, but I was slightly put off by the amount of fructose in bananas. Bagels have a much higher proportion of glucose-based carbs, which are more readily absorbed by muscles rather than liver. Although... Lyle often recommends a small amount of fructose to get your liver into a mode more appropriate for muscle building, so maybe there's something to that. > You gotta dick? ROFL...... My trainer eats a banana instead of a bagel. > I didnt ask him why but he does. [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > Lynne A > > embstop@rushmore.com Nawww, but it's one of my favorite lines from a movie! LOL Not that I'm a big Demi Moore fan, but that scene was awesome<G> Bananas and other fruit aren't supposed to be as good, since fructose goes directly to the liver and can kick you out of ketosis. Which is a damned shame as much as I love bananas<SIGH> Lynne A embstop@rushmore.com On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 20:07:19 -0600, "Lynne A" <embstop@rushmore.com> said > Nawww, but it's one of my favorite lines from a movie! LOL Not that I'm a > big Demi Moore fan, but that scene was awesome<G> The Betty White one from Alligator or some such wins the price: "Listen Fuckmeat, if I had a dick, this would the the time I'd ask you to suck it." Or something very very close. It was hilarious coming out of one of the "Golden Girls." -- Perdu > Well, JC, I finally took your advice and starting lifting-only took me > about [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > TIA for any advice! My experience with either TKD or CKD is that unless you're lifting very heavy and very seriously, you're better off just sticking with low-carb for a while. I used CKD about 8 years ago. I was lifting 4 days a week, a good couple of hours each day. I was increasing my weights every week, and could definately feel a difference from week beginning to week end since I was completely burning off my glycogen stores. After a "carb-up" on the weekend, Monday lifts felt great! Everything was lighter. Lots of fun. That said, I lift 3-4 days a week now, but *much* less intently. I stick with low-carb and yet still have been increasing my weights. I do allow myself some extra carbs as a post-workout treat along with protein. The carbs will help replenish the lost stores, and protein will help repair muscles. Definitely a necessity. I suppose I unconsciously did a TKD, but I don't think I'd worry much about taking glucose tabs. Just pick a good whole grain carb, or a protein bar with a low carb count. All will be good. Allow yourself to get through the D.O.M.S. (delayed onset muscle soreness) before worrying about this stuff. Good luck! Mark > > Well, JC, I finally took your advice and starting lifting-only took me > > about [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > Good luck! > Mark Thanks so much for the input, Mark! This is definitely an experiment, I want to see what difference, if any, the TKD makes. I'm definitely not lifting heavy yet, but it's heavy for me<LOL> I am increasing weight weekly though. I don't care for the protein bars, but whole grains are good, I can definitely go there. As far as DOMS, it's my life right now<G> Getting easier day by day, though, as is the Pilates I do on my off days. Lynne A embstop@rushmore.com > Thanks so much for the input, Mark! This is definitely an > experiment, I want to see what difference, if any, the TKD makes. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > as DOMS, it's my life right now<G> Getting easier day by day, > though, as is the Pilates I do on my off days. What kind of routine are you doing? What movements, number of sets, reps? > > Thanks so much for the input, Mark! This is definitely an > > experiment, I want to see what difference, if any, the TKD makes. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > What kind of routine are you doing? What movements, number of sets, reps? 3x10 on all Powerlifting Squats Dumbell curls deadlifts Barbell upright rows dumbell plie squats bench press crunches As soon as I can do 3x10 w/o it being to failure, I add weight. As I said in another post, I am also doing Pilates on my off days, and yoga in the evening on my lifting days. Any other info you need? I will be adding more to the routine as soon as my bench gets here, it's on order ATM, and I'm using an old coffee table, as per Stumptious until it gets here. Lynne A embstop@rushmore.com > As soon as I can do 3x10 w/o it being to failure, I add weight. As I said > in another post, I am also doing Pilates on my off days, and yoga in the > evening on my lifting days. Any other info you need? I will be adding > more > to the routine as soon as my bench gets here, it's on order ATM, and I'm > using an old coffee table, as per Stumptious until it gets here. Go Krista! ;) Mark > > As soon as I can do 3x10 w/o it being to failure, I add weight. As I said > > in another post, I am also doing Pilates on my off days, and yoga in the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Mark Yeah, she absolutely ROCKS! Lynne A embstop@rushmore.com >> > Thanks so much for the input, Mark! This is definitely an >> > experiment, I want to see what difference, if any, the TKD makes. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > it's on order ATM, and I'm using an old coffee table, as per > Stumptious until it gets here. So, do you ever feel as if you can't do your routine as it exists now? > >> What kind of routine are you doing? What movements, number of sets, > >> reps? [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > So, do you ever feel as if you can't do your routine as it exists now? Sometimes, yes, but I generally just bull my way through it. The thing I'm wondering is, am I having a hard time sometimes because I'm running out of juice, or because I'm a total candy-a.s at this point? Thus, the experimenting. Lynne A embstop@rushmore.com >> >> What kind of routine are you doing? What movements, number of >> >> sets, reps? [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > running out of juice, or because I'm a total candy-a.s at this point? > Thus, the experimenting. I see. Your thinking makes sense. However, I'd say you're safer to assume you're a candy-a.s at this point (nothing to be ashamed of, BTW, everyone is a candy-a.s when they start a new routine) and scale back a bit. Continue working out and when it gets totally easy, scale up a bit. Give your body time to adjust...you're banging it pretty hard after asking little to nothing of it for 3 years. Think about it. You can scale back in many ways. Since you seem to like working out everyday, continue that. However, considing doing fewer sets with weights or even fewer movements. Or do Pilates and/or yoga for a shorter time. After a while, work back up. You'll know when you're needing carbs because your relative performance will tend to tank and your energy levels will be flat to nonexistant, in your normal routine (which, I don't think you've really established yet). I think you need a period of study to go along with your workouts. Get to the online sites and think about form. Get the keto book. Maybe even get some time with a PT or find a knowledgeable person who can watch over you a bit. I don't know what you weigh, Lynne, but some walking might be a good thing to do as well. It's always a good place to start (along with weight training). If you're still working out 3 years from now you'll know you did it right. I'd be more concerned about that. > I see. Your thinking makes sense. However, I'd say you're safer to assume > you're a candy-a.s at this point (nothing to be ashamed of, BTW, everyone is > a candy-a.s when they start a new routine) and scale back a bit. Continue > working out and when it gets totally easy, scale up a bit. Give your body > time to adjust...you're banging it pretty hard after asking little to > nothing of it for 3 years. Think about it. True, it's just hard-up until that three years ago, I was always a very physical person-worked as a roofing laborer when I was younger, and as a CNA until I got hurt. I'm used to being a hardbody, this flab is just getting to me!LOL > You can scale back in many ways. Since you seem to like working out > everyday, continue that. However, considing doing fewer sets with weights or > even fewer movements. Or do Pilates and/or yoga for a shorter time. After a > while, work back up. Ok, that sounds reasonable. Yes, I really do like working out every day, I already feel weird if it's getting late in the morning and I haven't headed to the basement yet. > You'll know when you're needing carbs because your relative performance will > tend to tank and your energy levels will be flat to nonexistant, in your [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > some time with a PT or find a knowledgeable person who can watch over you a > bit. I do study form, I like the exrx.net site to see the proper form in action, that really seems to help a lot. I am planning to go to to the local gym and see about a PT just as soon as I'm not totally embarrassed by the amount of weight I can lift! (Sorry, but I just can't make myself yet) > I don't know what you weigh, Lynne, but some walking might be a good thing > to do as well. It's always a good place to start (along with weight > training). If you're still working out 3 years from now you'll know you did > it right. I'd be more concerned about that. I am 5'6" and weigh 140-ish (don't have a scale and haven't been to the Dr's lately) You're right about walking, but-it's, like, outside!LMAO I am definitely a climate controlled gal, there's all that WEATHER out there. I am working in the yard though, I find that much more bearable than just walking around. Raking, mowing, weeding, etc. I plan on still doing this 30 years from now, seriously. It's that or die young, and I'm not terribly interested in that option. Lynne A embstop@rushmore.com > I do study form, I like the exrx.net site to see the proper form in action, > that really seems to help a lot. I am planning to go to to the local gym > and see about a PT just as soon as I'm not totally embarrassed by the amount > of weight I can lift! (Sorry, but I just can't make myself yet) I can understand that you want to have some understanding about what you're doing before you see a PT. But, honestly, don't worry about the amount of weight you're lifting, that's not the issue for getting a PT to work with you. The issue is you having good form. If you're going to see a PT, see one sooner rather than later so that you don't teach yourself bad form or habit. Its much harder to unlearn a bad move than to learn it right from the start. Trust me, its really hard to UNtrain someone. SignatureRudy - Remove the Z from my address to respond. "It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" -Emiliano Zapata Check out the a.s.d.l-c FAQ at: http://www.grossweb.com/asdlc/faq.htm > I can understand that you want to have some understanding about > what you're doing before you see a PT. But, honestly, don't [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Trust me, its really hard to UNtrain someone. But it's SOOO embarrassing!LOL I do get your point, though-I'll do some checking and see if I can find someone reasonably close to help me. I live in EBF, South Dakota, so I'm not sure how easy that will be, but I definitely don't want Joe Muscle at the gym telling me what's right or wrong-I want a professional, TY. Lynne A embstop@rushmore.com > -- > Rudy - Remove the Z from my address to respond. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Check out the a.s.d.l-c FAQ at: > http://www.grossweb.com/asdlc/faq.htm Hey Lynne.. *waving at you from just up north* -- Jen in ND 184/175/140 > Hey Lynne.. *waving at you from just up north* > > -- > Jen in ND > 184/175/140 Hey, Jen! What part of ND are you in? I'm in the Black Hills, really pretty but not much here<G> Lynne A embstop@rushmore.com I'm in Bismarck. :) I've never been to the Black Hills, shame on me. -- Jen in ND 184/174/140 > I'm in Bismarck. :) I've never been to the Black Hills, shame on me. > > -- > Jen in ND > 184/174/140 Not too terribly far, then. You should come down here sometime, it really is a gorgeous place. Colder'n heck right now though, what the hell happened to spring?LOL Lynne A embstop@rushmore.com I know, I almost wore gloves when I went somewhere last night, the wind is really cold. I liked the weather we WERE having a few weeks ago... Jen in ND 184/174/140 > I know, I almost wore gloves when I went somewhere last night, the wind > is really cold. I liked the weather we WERE having a few weeks ago... > > Jen in ND > 184/174/140 Amen to that! It's 28 or so right now and snowing<SIGH> Lynne A embstop@rushmore.com >> I know, I almost wore gloves when I went somewhere last night, the wind >> is really cold. I liked the weather we WERE having a few weeks ago... [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> > Amen to that! It's 28 or so right now and snowing<SIGH> It is 91 here today and sunny Diane > Lynne A > embstop@rushmore.com > > Amen to that! It's 28 or so right now and snowing<SIGH> > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Lynne A > > embstop@rushmore.com Geeee, Diane, thanks so much for sharing!LOL Lynne A embstop@rushmore.com, who will get even in August! > But it's SOOO embarrassing!LOL I do get your point, though-I'll do some > checking and see if I can find someone reasonably close to help me. I live > in EBF, South Dakota, so I'm not sure how easy that will be, but I > definitely don't want Joe Muscle at the gym telling me what's right or > wrong-I want a professional, TY. To be fair, I know some "Joe Muscle" types at the gym that I'd prefer to train me than a few certified trainers that I know. That's because some trainers don't automatically think that women want to build a lot of muscle or strength. And that's understandable because 95% of women don't come in saying they want to get strong and add muscle mass, they say they want to lose weight and get "toned." So many trainers do get into that stereotype mindset as well. Trainers all have their own take on things and specialties. When you interview trainers be really clear about what you want and gage their reactions. SignatureRudy - Remove the Z from my address to respond. "It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" -Emiliano Zapata Check out the a.s.d.l-c FAQ at: http://www.grossweb.com/asdlc/faq.htm "RRzVRR" <rrZvrr@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message news:O3qbe.15138> > To be fair, I know some "Joe Muscle" types at the gym that I'd > prefer to train me than a few certified trainers that I know. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > lose weight and get "toned." So many trainers do get into that > stereotype mindset as well. Ewww, people still think a woman will turn into Ahnold???LMAO I'm pretty sure I'm safe w/o some *chemical enhancements*! > Trainers all have their own take on things and specialties. When > you interview trainers be really clear about what you want and > gage their reactions. Oh, definitely! I am pretty clear on what I want to achieve, so that should be a help. Mainly I just want someone to help me with form, though-I'll lift as heavy as I want once I'm sure I'm doing it right, and the PT don't need to worry about it<G> Lynne A embstop@rushmore.com > -- > Rudy - Remove the Z from my address to respond. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Check out the a.s.d.l-c FAQ at: > http://www.grossweb.com/asdlc/faq.htm For carb ups on a TKD I've used white bread (sometimes with ham or turkey, sometimes with rasberry jam, and sometimes with powdered sugar and cinnamon), and I've also used breakfast cereal (I like Honey Smacks or Corn Pops) with skim milk. These seem to have a fairly fast effect (as you can see, I'm not too worried about a little bit of fructose, and I like to have a little protein added sometimes also). I would stay away from anything with whole grains for what should be obvious reasons. That being said, I really prefer the CKD over the TKD. I get a lot more mileage out of carbing up for a whole day once a week, than I do with the little bits and pieces. This may be because of the way I train and/or the way I follow my diet, I couldn't really say. It just seems that with a TKD, I never really get the full benefit of being carbed up, and I also never get to the point of being completed depleted. In your shoes, I would try them both out for a while and see how they fit. SignatureEat less, exercise more. -- MFW -- > Well, JC, I finally took your advice and starting lifting-only took me > about [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Lynne A > embstop@rushmore.com > For carb ups on a TKD I've used white bread (sometimes with ham or turkey, > sometimes with rasberry jam, and sometimes with powdered sugar and [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > completed depleted. In your shoes, I would try them both out for a while and > see how they fit. Post some pics Fatboy! > For carb ups on a TKD I've used white bread (sometimes with ham or turkey, > sometimes with rasberry jam, and sometimes with powdered sugar and [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > -- Thanks for all the information, JC! Bread w/topping I could manage, I'm not sure I could deal with such sweet cereal anymore, though. Breads are still a pleasure, but the sweet stuff, blech! I'll have to look around, maybe I can find something with less sugar, but a total count that's in the right range. I did recall that you were doing CKD, but to be honest, I found the information a bit more confusing! Would you be willing to show a sample week's menu when you have time? I do intend to try both and see if one or the other works better for me-how long do you suggest I try them to really get a good feel for the results? Lynne A embstop@rushmore.com >> For carb ups on a TKD I've used white bread (sometimes with ham or >> turkey, [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > can find something with less sugar, but a total count that's in the right > range. The whole point is that it's supposed to be sweet. The sweeter the better and the faster the result. That's one of the reasons that you don't take in any fat at this point, because that would slow down digestion. > I did recall that you were doing CKD, but to be honest, I found the > information a bit more confusing! Would you be willing to show a sample > week's menu when you have time? Right now, I'm doing a whole-body workout on Tuesdays, Thursdays, and Saturdays. I'm also doing a fair amount of walking on the other days. Saturday is usually my best workout, and Thursday I usually have the least energy. The diet: Sunday I usually eat the most calories for the week and it's strictly low carb. Mostly I have eggs and cheese and perhaps some bacon or sausage for a late breakfast, and then I'll have steak or some salmon for an early evening meal. I might also snack on some mixed nuts. On Monday I only eat a fair sized dinner after work. Maybe some pork chops or some steak. Sunflower seeds for dessert (most days of the week). Tuesday is like Monday. Wednesday and Thursday I reduce my calories and only eat maybe half of what I do on Monday. Usually more fat and less protein. Thursday is when I really get down to the minimum. Friday I might have lunch or I might not, but it'll be low fat and high carbs for dinner and maybe lunch. Saturday I usually eat three low fat and high carb meals. Most of the carbs I take in on Friday and Saturday and fairly simple rather than complex. >I do intend to try both and see if one or > the other works better for me-how long do you suggest I try them to really > get a good feel for the results? I would say a month would be the minimum, just to get some type of rhythm going. You could spend several weeks just seeing how different calorie levels make you feel and how they affect your bodyfat levels and weight. Did I mention that you can gain several pounds of water and glycogen weight over the weekend that you'll subsequently lose during the week? It can get quite interesting trying to keep track of everything. When in doubt though, eat less and exercise more. ;-) > The whole point is that it's supposed to be sweet. The sweeter the better > and the faster the result. That's one of the reasons that you don't take in > any fat at this point, because that would slow down digestion. Daaaamn, two years killing my sweet tooth dead, and now this!LMAO > Right now, I'm doing a whole-body workout on Tuesdays, Thursdays, and > Saturdays. I'm also doing a fair amount of walking on the other days. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Saturday I usually eat three low fat and high carb meals. Most of the carbs > I take in on Friday and Saturday and fairly simple rather than complex. Thanks VERY much for this, it makes it a lot easier to understand! > I would say a month would be the minimum, just to get some type of rhythm > going. You could spend several weeks just seeing how different calorie [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > quite interesting trying to keep track of everything. When in doubt though, > eat less and exercise more. ;-) It sounds like it could get interesting! Do you keep a notebook or something to keep up with where you are and how you're doing? It's a challenge, but I think it will be good for me, get more in tune with my body and what it really needs. As far as eating less and exercising more, I'm doin it bayyyyby! Lynne A embstop@rushmore.com >> eat less and exercise more. ;-) > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > and what it really needs. As far as eating less and exercising more, I'm > doin it bayyyyby! I used to write stuff down, but now I pretty much can predict what's going to happen. IOW, there's a light at the end of the tunnel, if you stick with it long enough. The effect of the weights is more unpredictable than the effect of the diet. I find that treating the whole thing as a hobby rather than something I have to do is quite beneficial. Perhaps that could work for you also. There are so many variables, you could spend several years figuring everything out. Good luck. > I used to write stuff down, but now I pretty much can predict what's going > to happen. IOW, there's a light at the end of the tunnel, if you stick with [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > for you also. There are so many variables, you could spend several years > figuring everything out. Good luck. I figured it would get easier with time, but it's nice to get reassurance on that<LOL> I think that treating it as a hobby is definitely the way to go, rather than feeling like I GOTTA do it. Thanks for the good wishes, you ain't such a bad guy<ROFLMAO> Lynne A embstop@rushmore.com > >> eat less and exercise more. ;-) > > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > for you also. There are so many variables, you could spend several years > figuring everything out. Good luck. Treating it (weight loss and exercise) as a hobby can work for some people, but it didn't for me, since I grow bored of hobbies and look for new ones. Instead I look at it as something I have to do, but not something particularly onerous. Like brushing my teeth, getting my oil changed, doing my laundry. Sure, I'd rather be doing something else, but if I skip it I'll regret it when my teeth fall out, my engine freezes up, or I run out of clean clothes. I exercise to keep my body running well just like I change the oil to keep my car running well. > Treating it (weight loss and exercise) as a hobby can work for some > people, but it didn't for me, since I grow bored of hobbies and look for [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > freezes up, or I run out of clean clothes. I exercise to keep my body > running well just like I change the oil to keep my car running well. I can definitely see that, Luna, just gotta do what works for YOU. For me, at this point, it's fun trying to figure all this out, but if it ever gets to the point where it's not, well, then it's just time for me to butch up<LOL> Lynne A embstop@rushmore.com > > Treating it (weight loss and exercise) as a hobby can work for some > > people, but it didn't for me, since I grow bored of hobbies and look for [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Lynne A > embstop@rushmore.com Makes sense. I know I was a lot more excited about it in the beginning, now it's just my routine. I try to get excited about what life will be like when I'm thin, but having already had a taste of those changes when I first went from 200+ to 150, there's really not much to look forward to, imo. Thin or fat, there are still the same amount of challenges, they're just different challenges. Life gets easier in some ways and harder in others. What keeps me motivated to exercise is my fear of ending up like my grandmother, with hip and knee problems so bad she can barely walk. What keeps me motivated to eat well is that when I don't I feel lethargic and irritable. >> > Treating it (weight loss and exercise) as a hobby can work for some >> > people, but it didn't for me, since I grow bored of hobbies and [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > can barely walk. What keeps me motivated to eat well is that when I > don't I feel lethargic and irritable. I can't think of a single way in which life got harder for me by losing 142 lbs. Not one, besides having to buy a bunch of new clothes and give a lot of good clothes away.... You sound "afraid" to me, Luna. > >> > Treating it (weight loss and exercise) as a hobby can work for some > >> > people, but it didn't for me, since I grow bored of hobbies and [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > You sound "afraid" to me, Luna. So you didn't have guys who formerly ignored you suddenly hitting on you, huh? Some things are a bit different for women than for men. I don't always want sexual attention from men I don't know. I also wasn't too fond of the thin girls who formerly ignored me suddenly treating me like I was one of "them" and assuming I'd also like to join in on their catty comments about girls who are fatter than I am. Also didn't enjoy blatantly mean comments from girls who still are fat, who used to be nice to me, telling me that I was getting too thin, making backhanded compliments, and calling me an "uppity bitch" behind my back because they were jealous, when honestly I was still treating others the same way I'd always treated them. Didn't like telling my sister she looked pretty and then her breaking down crying and telling me she hated me for losing weight when she wasn't. Aside from the differences in how I was treated by others, I also don't like having loose wrinkly skin on my tits and thighs, having to spend money I can't afford on new clothes every freakin' month, and just the general feeling of shrinking. It feels weird and disorienting when your body keeps changing, even if the changes are positive. It was all awkward, like puberty all over again. >> > Makes sense. I know I was a lot more excited about it in the >> > beginning, [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > So you didn't have guys who formerly ignored you suddenly hitting on > you, huh? No...guys generally don't hit on me..whether I know them or not. And if the were to, they get hit back. > Some things are a bit different for women than for men. Okay.. > I > don't always want sexual attention from men I don't know. So? Doesn't every woman deal with this? I also > wasn't > too fond of the thin girls who formerly ignored me suddenly treating > me > like I was one of "them" and assuming I'd also like to join in on > their catty comments about girls who are fatter than I am. That's their issue...what does it have to do with you? Ignore them. Also > didn't enjoy blatantly mean comments from girls who still are fat, > who used to be > nice to me, telling me that I was getting too thin, making backhanded > compliments, and calling me an "uppity bitch" behind my back because > they were jealous, when honestly I was still treating others the same > way I'd always treated them. That's their issue...you control your response to it... > Didn't like telling my sister she looked > pretty and then her breaking down crying and telling me she hated me > for losing weight when she wasn't. So the hell what, Luna? It's her issue....if she wants to lose weight, then it's her choice. Why should you base how you feel on HER limitations? Afraid to stand up for yourself? > Aside from the differences in how I was treated by others, I also You can never control how others treat you...but you can control your response to them... > don't > like having loose wrinkly skin on my tits and thighs, So...either that or extra fat and the problems it causes... having to spend > money I can't afford on new clothes every freakin' month, and just the > general feeling of shrinking. Wear them baggie for a few months.. It feels weird and disorienting when > your body keeps changing, even if the changes are positive. It was > all > awkward, like puberty all over again. Geez...get over it already...it should feel better to be able to move easier...do get out and have fun...you wear your body every day, so these changes come very slowly and you simply grow into them. sh.t, I've lost almost as much as you weigh, Luna. You're telling me that just because I'm a man that I'm immune to this BS you're talking? What goes on in your head makes a huge difference in how life is for you. Work on that, some. > sh.t, I've lost almost as much as you weigh, Luna. You're telling me that > just because I'm a man that I'm immune to this BS you're talking? What goes > on in your head makes a huge difference in how life is for you. Work on > that, some. I'm just saying that losing weight requires adjustments, and being thin requires a different way of being in the world, and making those adjustments isn't always fun. Yes, when people treat you differently it's their issue, but it's an added thing I had to deal with that I wasn't ready for. I had also used my fatness as an excuse to avoid a lot of things, and when that excuse is gone, I'll have to face reality. And the reality is that no matter what weight I am, I don't fit comfortably in the world around me. When I'm no longer fat, and I can't blame it on that, I'll be left with blaming it on my odd personality, which isn't something I can change. >> sh.t, I've lost almost as much as you weigh, Luna. You're telling >> me that just because I'm a man that I'm immune to this BS you're [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > personality, > which isn't something I can change. Well....If you say so. You don't seem odd at all on-line, but who knows...but you know, everyone can grow, and in many ways. Perhaps you can grow by learning to face up to those fears...it really would be of benefit to you, so you can fully enjoy who you are and who you can be....I mean, I'm just saying...life's too short to be a lovely person while walking around with a head full of issues holding you back... > I'm just saying that losing weight requires adjustments, and being thin > requires a different way of being in the world, and making those [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > blame it on that, I'll be left with blaming it on my odd personality, > which isn't something I can change. So? I have an odd personality, and I happen to like it-normal is soooo boring. I've never fit in with the world around me, but it doesn't bother me once I look at the average population of said world. Lynne A embstop@rushmore.com, who has been weird and thin and weird and fat-weird and thin is a LOT more fun! > > >> > Treating it (weight loss and exercise) as a hobby can work for some > > >> > people, but it didn't for me, since I grow bored of hobbies and [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > body keeps changing, even if the changes are positive. It was all > awkward, like puberty all over again. It sounds like you need new friends. Those you've mentioned in the post are seriously toxic. How big is the town/city you're living at? I remember you mentioned that it would be too hard for you to move away from your Dad, so you're staying put in the apartment and the town/city you're living in. Is the place big enough for you to get new friends?? I hope it is. I agree with you that no matter what's your size, life doesn't get easier or harder. There are always challenges. New challenges come up when the old ones are gone (or you got used to dealing with them). It's just the way things are. > > > >> > Treating it (weight loss and exercise) as a hobby can work for some > > > >> > people, but it didn't for me, since I grow bored of hobbies and [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] > you're living in. Is the place big enough for you to get new friends?? > I hope it is. I have a few close friends who aren't catty like that. It's more the people on the periphery, the ones I don't know that well. I live in Atlanta, plenty of room for new friends, it's just hard to fit in when you're an atheist in the Bible belt, when you're politically conservative so you don't fit in with other atheists, when most people your own age are married with kids so they pretty much stick with other marrieds, when books are your main interest and so few people anywhere in the country read for pleasure. I've tried to expand my social circle by going to meetups, but that was a miserable failure. The atheist group was all about Bush bashing, the graphic design group was 4 miserable people all there hoping to get work from the others, the science fiction group wanted to talk only about movies and Star Drek. I thought I had a new possibility open up recently when a friend of mine invited me to Team Trivia with his friends, but after going a few times he abruptly vanished and isn't returning mine or anyone else's calls for the past couple of months. > I agree with you that no matter what's your size, life doesn't get > easier or harder. There are always challenges. New challenges come up > when the old ones are gone (or you got used to dealing with them). It's > just the way things are. Exactly. If I'm going to be miserable and lonely anyway, I may as well be thin and healthy while I'm doing it. > I have a few close friends who aren't catty like that. It's more the > people on the periphery, the ones I don't know that well. I live in [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > he abruptly vanished and isn't returning mine or anyone else's calls for > the past couple of months. As long as you have a few close friends who are normal - they accept you the way you are - then it's not overly bad. I think I can stay afloat as long as I have a few friends like that. The married people - there will be more of them amongst those of similar age as we grow older. Have you tried online book groups? Religion wise - are there non-atheists who are not "married" to their fellow churchgoers? I have met church-goers like that before - for all practical purposes they're wedded to the people who are going to the same church, they spend all their non working hours with them. If they're looking for a babysitter, they look from within their church. They do nothing outside their church and would find it hard to squeeze in a reunion with their old classmates because of all their church commitments. What about the people from work? Do you get along with them well? From the picture links you posted here in the past, you seem to get along with them quite well. I reckon people from work is a good source for new friends! I am pretty lucky becoz I have managed to talk one of my colleagues into going to belly dancing class with me. That Team Trivia guy possibly has deep problems of his own. There are rude people everywhere. There's nothing we can do about it as long as we've done our bits. > > I agree with you that no matter what's your size, life doesn't get > > easier or harder. There are always challenges. New challenges come up [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Exactly. If I'm going to be miserable and lonely anyway, I may as well > be thin and healthy while I'm doing it. That's the attitude!!! You go girl! Nothing works for you because you are special and unique. Now you have all the excuses you'll ever need. SignatureMost people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW > Treating it (weight loss and exercise) as a hobby can work for some > people, but it didn't for me, since I grow bored of hobbies and look for > new ones. And yet you snipped the part where I said what actually does work for me. Or maybe you didn't read that far, since you can only read so many words before your brain gets tired. That's why you keep telling people to be more brief, right? So you don't have to wear out your poor widdle brain with all those words? Poor widdle JC. > Nothing works for you because you are special and unique. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > people, but it didn't for me, since I grow bored of hobbies and look for > > new ones. Obviously whatever might have worked for you in the past isn't working for you anymore. Nothing is working for you because you're special and unique. SignatureMost people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW > And yet you snipped the part where I said what actually does work for > me. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> > for >> > new ones. > Obviously whatever might have worked for you in the past isn't working for > you anymore. Being motivated primarily by the excitement and interest of a new hobby wasn't working any more. Excitement wears off. Eating less and exercising more isn't always fun. Will you stop doing it when it isn't fun anymore, like you would with a hobby like macramé or origami? > Nothing is working for you because you're special and unique. Never said nothing was working for me. Just said thinking of it as a hobby wasn't working for me. I take it more seriously than I would a hobby, which keeps me from quitting just because it's not fun. > > And yet you snipped the part where I said what actually does work for > > me. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >> > for > >> > new ones. :: In article <79hbe.392$461.138@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>, :: "JC Der Koenig" <jcderkoenig@ibm.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] :: hobby wasn't working for me. I take it more seriously than I would a :: hobby, which keeps me from quitting just because it's not fun. I take my hobbies very seriously...because they're fun. > :: In article <79hbe.392$461.138@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>, > :: "JC Der Koenig" <jcderkoenig@ibm.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > I take my hobbies very seriously...because they're fun. That makes no sense to me. In the hierarchy of things I have to do and things I need to do, hobbies are near the bottom. I'd never skip working out because I wanted to work on a hobby. :: In article <116sr23rg7dmq45@news.supernews.com>, :: "Roger Zoul" <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] :: and things I need to do, hobbies are near the bottom. I'd never skip :: working out because I wanted to work on a hobby. Taking a hobby seriously doesn't mean you put it before all of the other things you have to do in life to survive or succeed...it just means you make time for it because it enhances your enjoyment of life. But it make sense to me that you don't get it because you don't seem to be enjoying what you have in life.... > :: In article <116sr23rg7dmq45@news.supernews.com>, > :: "Roger Zoul" <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > But it make sense to me that you don't get it because you don't seem to be > enjoying what you have in life.... Not at the moment, no. Family problems, work problems, money problems, friend problems. Every time I think I can't handle one more source of stress, another one pops up. My mantra lately is "Grin and bear it, this too shall pass." > Well, JC, I finally took your advice and starting lifting-only took > me about a year after you suggested it. I'm still low carbing, so I [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > SweetTarts, and I'll be going broke trying to buy that many glucose > tabs. Why don't you go to the horse's mouth on this? Buy Lyle's keto book. www.bodyrecomposition.com (work your way to the products page) Get the full scoup, rather than going off half-cocked.... > TIA for any advice! > > Lynne A > embstop@rushmore.com > Why don't you go to the horse's mouth on this? Buy Lyle's keto book. > > www.bodyrecomposition.com > (work your way to the products page) > > Get the full scoup, rather than going off half-cocked.... It's on the list, Roger, definitely. My financial resources are limited for another two weeks, though, so it will have to wait till then. I do agree about the horse's mouth, though, and will be purchasing ASAP. Lynne A embstop@rushmore.com > Well, JC, I finally took your advice and starting lifting-only took me about > a year after you suggested it. I'm still low carbing, so I am wondering [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Lynne A > embstop@rushmore.com I've used TKD off and on for many years and would suggest that unless you're really lifting with intensity you shouldn't worry too much about doing something like TKD or CKD. If you're just starting to lift with some intensity and you can quanitify that you're not lifitng well because of being depleted, I'd suggest that you consider TKD over CKD at first. CKD takes a bit more control and effort to do and see results. I'd also suggest that you carb-up mostly after you train. The idea of TKD is to replinish for the next workout. Plus getting the increased raised insulin level after a workout helps with recovery. SignatureRudy - Remove the Z from my address to respond. "It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" -Emiliano Zapata Check out the a.s.d.l-c FAQ at: http://www.grossweb.com/asdlc/faq.htm > I've used TKD off and on for many years and would suggest that > unless you're really lifting with intensity you shouldn't worry [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > the increased raised insulin level after a workout helps with > recovery. Thanks for the input, Rudy! I don't know if I am not lifting as well as I could, that's the main reason for this experiment-to see if either diet makes a difference in performance. TKD definitely sounds like it's going to be easier for me to implement, so that's why I planned to start there. I thought the deal was that TKD was to replenish stores before the current workout, now I'm confused!LOL Sounds like more experimenting yet, to see if before or after works better for me. Ahh well, I've got all the time in the world to figure it out, it's not like I'm trying to get ready to compete<LMAO> Lynne A embstop@rushmore.com > -- > Rudy - Remove the Z from my address to respond. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Check out the a.s.d.l-c FAQ at: > http://www.grossweb.com/asdlc/faq.htm >> I've used TKD off and on for many years and would suggest that >> unless you're really lifting with intensity you shouldn't worry [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > Lynne A > embstop@rushmore.com Lynne - when you get to the point where you need a TKD or a CKD, you'll know it quickly. Your body will let you know and there'll be little guessing. The TKD after does replenish..and gets you ready for the next session. > Lynne - when you get to the point where you need a TKD or a CKD, you'll know > it quickly. Your body will let you know and there'll be little guessing. > > The TKD after does replenish..and gets you ready for the next session. Fair enough Roger-muscle fatigue, total exhaustion at the end of the workout? I really don't know what to look for since I'm new to lifting and have been doing low carb long term-if I had lifted BEFORE low carb, then I would have something to compare against, you know? Does that make ANY sense at all?LOL Hmm, after, huh? I guess I'll have to make myself, I'm not usually interested in food after my workouts. Actually, I'm not very interested in food at all lately-except for artichokes<LOL> Oh well, beats only wanting candy bars. Lynne A embstop@rushmore.com >> Lynne - when you get to the point where you need a TKD or a CKD, >> you'll [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > low carb, then I would have something to compare against, you know? > Does that make ANY sense at all?LOL I'd suggest you not over do it in the beginning...avoid muscle fatigue and total exhaustion at the end of every workout. Go easy for a while and get in the habit of consistently working out and learning proper form. How long does it take you to recover? > Hmm, after, huh? I guess I'll have to make myself, I'm not usually > interested in food after my workouts. Actually, I'm not very > interested in food at all lately-except for artichokes<LOL> Oh well, > beats only wanting candy bars. So after you workouts you resume normal LC eating after a period of time, right? How do you feel before doing your pilates? > I'd suggest you not over do it in the beginning...avoid muscle fatigue and > total exhaustion at the end of every workout. Go easy for a while and get > in the habit of consistently working out and learning proper form. > > How long does it take you to recover? The problem is, I'm in such bad shape that total exhaustion is inevitable with any kind of decent workout. I am working on good form, but it's difficult w/o someone experienced there to correct me. I do work out consistently, every day, 7 days a week. I will eventually take a rest day every week, but for right now I am more concerned with establishing a solid routine-I'm afraid a day off may lead to two, etc., etc, blah, blah, blah. Recovery time is, hmm, I'd say around 20-30 min? I really don't know though, hadn't paid much attention to it to be honest. > > Hmm, after, huh? I guess I'll have to make myself, I'm not usually > > interested in food after my workouts. Actually, I'm not very [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > So after you workouts you resume normal LC eating after a period of time, > right? How do you feel before doing your pilates? Eventually, yeah, but it's usually much later these days-I just don't have a lot of appetite ATM. I tend to eat before my workout, brunch-ish time, I guess, and then I don't generally eat again until dinner time. Once in a while I'll have a snack mid-afternoon, but for the most part I'm not hungry again until 6-7 pm. I feel fine before doing my Pilates, it's during and after that's the killer<LOL> My DD and I jokingly refer to it as *20 minutes from HELL* Lynne A embstop@rushmore.com >> I'd suggest you not over do it in the beginning...avoid muscle >> fatigue and total exhaustion at the end of every workout. Go easy [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > concerned with establishing a solid routine-I'm afraid a day off may > lead to two, etc., etc, blah, blah, blah. Time should solve this problem - provided you try to learn as much as you can about your movements and that you don't over do it. Going from doing nothing to full tilt can be quite a jolt to the system. Working out need not be painful or exhausting, especially every time you workout. > Recovery time is, hmm, I'd say around 20-30 min? I really don't know > though, hadn't paid much attention to it to be honest. Energy wise, how do you feel? When you get ready to do Pilates you have energy then, right? >> > Hmm, after, huh? I guess I'll have to make myself, I'm not usually >> > interested in food after my workouts. Actually, I'm not very [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > dinner time. Once in a while I'll have a snack mid-afternoon, but > for the most part I'm not hungry again until 6-7 pm. I say continue here as you are now... > I feel fine before doing my Pilates, it's during and after that's the > killer<LOL> My DD and I jokingly refer to it as *20 minutes from > HELL* But only for 20 minutes after, right? Then you recover and feel good enough to be able to do your next workout, right? It's great that you're making the effort, Lynne. If you can continue, the payoff will be great!! > Time should solve this problem - provided you try to learn as much as you > can about your movements and that you don't over do it. Going from doing > nothing to full tilt can be quite a jolt to the system. Working out need > not be painful or exhausting, especially every time you workout. Oh, it is getting better, all the time. When I first started, I began with the Pilates, and I thought I was going to die, literally! I had to stop several times in 20 min., how sad is THAT? > > Recovery time is, hmm, I'd say around 20-30 min? I really don't know > > though, hadn't paid much attention to it to be honest. > > Energy wise, how do you feel? When you get ready to do Pilates you have > energy then, right? Oh yeah, that's not a big problem generally. > >> > Hmm, after, huh? I guess I'll have to make myself, I'm not usually > >> > interested in food after my workouts. Actually, I'm not very [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > I say continue here as you are now... Cool, I was afraid I wasn't getting enough to eat, but I'm not going to force myself to eat if I'm not hungry! > > I feel fine before doing my Pilates, it's during and after that's the > > killer<LOL> My DD and I jokingly refer to it as *20 minutes from > > HELL* > > But only for 20 minutes after, right? Then you recover and feel good enough > to be able to do your next workout, right? Yep! That is much later in the day, though-I generally do my first workout in the morning, and my second sometime after dinner. > It's great that you're making the effort, Lynne. If you can continue, the > payoff will be great!! Thanks, Roger, I really feel like I'm going to make it, I am very motivated to get it together. Frankly, I'm too damned young to feel this old and tired all the time. And that is steadily improving, week by week. Lynne A embstop@rushmore.com > Fair enough Roger-muscle fatigue, total exhaustion at the end of the > workout? I really don't know what to look for since I'm new to lifting and > have been doing low carb long term-if I had lifted BEFORE low carb, then I > would have something to compare against, you know? Does that make ANY sense > at all?LOL Muscle fatigue and exhaustion are not related to being depleted. Reaching muscle fatigue and exhaustion at a point earlier than you have before is a sign of being depleted. > Hmm, after, huh? I guess I'll have to make myself, I'm not usually > interested in food after my workouts. Actually, I'm not very interested in > food at all lately-except for artichokes<LOL> Oh well, beats only wanting > candy bars. You should try to eat within the hour after training to help your recovery. SignatureRudy - Remove the Z from my address |
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