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Weight Loss Forum / Low Carb / May 2005Had to share!
I was standing at a red-light waiting for the crosswalk yesterday, when a big truck with two men went by and started whistling, so I turned around to check out the piece of work they were all excited about, but there was nobody else standing there! They were doing it to ME! That is the first time I've had that happen to me, I couldn't wipe the smile off my face for the rest of the day! :) I love low carb. Julie >I was standing at a red-light waiting for the crosswalk yesterday, when a >big truck with two men went by and started whistling, so I turned around to [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Julie Good for you! That's funny too. I remember when people starting holding the door for me again and when drivers would let me cross the street!! Nice feeling. > I was standing at a red-light waiting for the crosswalk yesterday, when a > big truck with two men went by and started whistling, so I turned around to [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Julie Man, I wish I had your attitude. I don't enjoy whistling and cat calls from men passing by in a truck. Why do men DO that? Do they expect I'm going to be so turned on I'm going to jump in the truck with them and go get it on? > > I was standing at a red-light waiting for the crosswalk yesterday, when a > > big truck with two men went by and started whistling, so I turned around to [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > going to be so turned on I'm going to jump in the truck with them and go > get it on? Nah... ;-) It's a guy thing, and it's usually cultural. It's also a compliment!  SignatureOm. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson >> I was standing at a red-light waiting for the crosswalk yesterday, when a >> big truck with two men went by and started whistling, so I turned around [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > going to be so turned on I'm going to jump in the truck with them and go > get it on? It's just nice to be noticed, rather than feeling like I'm in everyone's way. I'm fine with it as long as they keep moving! If they would've pulled over and asked if I wanted a "ride" I probably would have pepper sprayed them. These guys just did the "pretty girl" whistle and the other one yelled "lookin' good baby girl!" It made me feel pretty darn good! I consider it kind of a compliment. > >> I was standing at a red-light waiting for the crosswalk yesterday, when a > >> big truck with two men went by and started whistling, so I turned around [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > "lookin' good baby girl!" It made me feel pretty darn good! I consider it > kind of a compliment. They also may have recognized you if that was part of a regular routine..... ;-) SignatureOm. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson In a previous article, "Julie" <me@nowhere.com> said: >It's just nice to be noticed, rather than feeling like I'm in everyone's >way. I'm fine with it as long as they keep moving! If they would've pulled [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >"lookin' good baby girl!" It made me feel pretty darn good! I consider it >kind of a compliment. I agree. The crude sexual comment are gross and disgusting, but I remember being 30 and a size 8, walking across a parking lot. There was a small construction crew doing something about 20 feet away, and one of the guys yelled "Lights! Camera! Action!" I was tickled. There are ways of being complimentary without being threatening or too intrusive. I do, however, understand and respect people who simply don't want strangers commenting on their looks, negative *or* positive. It comes down to personal preference. Vicki SignatureOf all the stupid things I've done, this is certainly the most recent. - Chris Clarke > In a previous article, "Julie" <me@nowhere.com> said: > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Vicki I just don't like feeling like my existence is ornamental. When it happens to me, it's just so out of context. Like when I'm wearing my ugly work polo with stains on it, hair in a bandana because I didn't have time to style it, no makeup, running last minute errands before work, and I get catcalls. I feel like "Hey, I'm just living my life here, I didn't come here to be on display for you." I don't like the assumption that any woman, any place, any time, is there for the sole purpose of entertaining passing male strangers. It's different when I'm somewhere like a bar, club, or party. When I'm obviously dressed up, made up, styled, there to have fun, and someone flirts with me. It can still make me uncomfortable, but I know in those circumstances that's just my issues, because I know my appearance, behavior, and the circumstances welcome attention from the opposite sex, so I don't view what the men are doing as inappropriate in that situation. >> I was standing at a red-light waiting for the crosswalk yesterday, when a >> big truck with two men went by and started whistling, so I turned around [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > going to be so turned on I'm going to jump in the truck with them and go > get it on? No one enjoys it. When you were fat did they whistle at you? That's her point - > >> I was standing at a red-light waiting for the crosswalk yesterday, when a > >> big truck with two men went by and started whistling, so I turned around [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > No one enjoys it. When you were fat did they whistle at you? That's her > point - Well, that (unfortunately) is the standard anti-fat human attitude. :-( I saw a program once where a woman did an experiment. She "had some car trouble" and wore a fat suit. People seemed to go out of their way to avoid helping her. It was really shitty! She took the fat suit off and did it again and people were falling all over themselves to help her out! <sigh> It's like "fat" is a contagious disease or something. :-( SignatureOm. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson >> >> I was standing at a red-light waiting for the crosswalk yesterday, >> >> when a [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > It's like "fat" is a contagious disease or something. :-( Are you still overweight? I was alot more sympathetic toward fat people when I was fat. Now I see fat people and have all the same bad feelings I felt from others. I don't sneer, point, call names or let the door smack them in the face but I definitely have negative feelings. When I was fat people treated me alot crappier - but I also have better self-esteem and confidence shows. Some of it could be percieved or amplified by that. Even if I was trying to get through a door with a stroller no one helped when I was fat - now it's totally different. > Are you still overweight? I was alot more sympathetic toward fat people when > I was fat. Now I see fat people and have all the same bad feelings I felt > from others. I don't sneer, point, call names or let the door smack them in > the face but I definitely have negative feelings. Why? You know how difficult it can be to "fix" the problem... The concept of very large people eating tables full of food is false in the MAJORITY of cases, and I'm sure you are aware of that! Yes, I am still heavy but even when I managed to get down to a better level, I never had any negative feelings for other fat people because I'd been there. It's taken me nearly 10 years to learn enough about nutrition etc. to find a plan that actually worked and was livable, and I have health insurance so can afford to see a good endocrinologist and purchase the drugs I desparately need to get help. I can also get the free lab work done to get my darned thyroid levels to where they need to be by adjusting the medication. The vast majority of really obese people live in the lower middle class or at poverty level and cannot get the medical help they need, and live mostly on a high carb diet because grain based foods are _cheap_ and all they can afford! Education would help, but still...... While I feel compassion for others that are stuck in the fat rut, I sure don't feel negative towards them. > When I was fat people treated me alot crappier - but I also have better > self-esteem and confidence shows. Some of it could be percieved or amplified > by that. Could be. ;-) > Even if I was trying to get through a door with a stroller no one helped > when I was fat - now it's totally different. Yes, and that is wrong...... SignatureOm. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson >> Are you still overweight? I was alot more sympathetic toward fat people >> when [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > The concept of very large people eating tables full of food is false in > the MAJORITY of cases, and I'm sure you are aware of that! Well, fat people want to blame everything/everyone else for thier prob. Eating tables full of food or eating the wrong kind of food? Are you finding it very hard to lose weight? Here's a good one! When I was fat i would complain with other fat gals about the size of clothes in stores and the "average woman's size in america" Then I lost the weight, came to my senses and realized the average woman in america is FAT. I don't want to aspire to average and I would be pissed now if that's what the stores catered too. It was a denial thing - it had to be - or being brainwashed by the "fat acceptance" happy crappy! > Yes, I am still heavy but even when I managed to get down to a better > level, I never had any negative feelings for other fat people because > I'd been there. It's taken me nearly 10 years to learn enough about > nutrition etc. to find a plan that actually worked and was livable, and > I have health insurance so can afford to see a good endocrinologist and > purchase the drugs I desparately need to get help. That's good - you are taking control of your life. Most people don't. You will probably succeed. > I can also get the free lab work done to get my darned thyroid levels to > where they need to be by adjusting the medication. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > mostly on a high carb diet because grain based foods are _cheap_ and all > they can afford! Now - that's silly. A fat guy just doesn't want to buy the 89 cent head of romaine lettuce and make a nice little salad. It's NOT cheaper to eat a pound of Velveeta Mac& Cheese @ about 4$ a box! > Education would help, but still...... It's not a stretch to figure out which meal is a better choice. Are you saying that obese people are also totally stupid by nature? > While I feel compassion for others that are stuck in the fat rut, I sure > don't feel negative towards them. I used to smoke and after quitting for a while I am grossed out by smokers too. >> When I was fat people treated me alot crappier - but I also have better >> self-esteem and confidence shows. Some of it could be percieved or [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Yes, and that is wrong...... > Now - that's silly. A fat guy just doesn't want to buy the 89 cent head of > romaine lettuce and make a nice little salad. It's NOT cheaper to eat a > pound of Velveeta Mac& Cheese @ about 4$ a box! The store brand craft is 33cents a box.. velveeta is nasty.. I can feed my family large filling meals for 100$ a month high carb high fat.. I dont think I have had a month that low yet low carb because I need to buy meat.. something we did without or had verry little of before. Dont know anyone who would be satisfied with a meal of only field greens. Now it does not help that I am the only one low carb in a family of 4 and I have to buy baby food but whoever thinks low carb is cheaper did not shop how I did. Tori SignatureBonnie 3/02 AKA "Goofy Gooferson" Xavier 10/04 AKA "Chunky Chunkerson" >>Now - that's silly. A fat guy just doesn't want to buy the 89 cent head of >>romaine lettuce and make a nice little salad. It's NOT cheaper to eat a [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Tori From previous threads on a similar subject, the conclusion is you are a terrible shopper. You can find deals if you look hard enough. You should be serving cabbage and chicken. That's cheap. If you don't have time then you should make time. If cooking and cleanup takes too long then you are lazy. Just saving some time on the replies :-) >>>Now - that's silly. A fat guy just doesn't want to buy the 89 cent head >>>of romaine lettuce and make a nice little salad. It's NOT cheaper to eat [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > you should make time. If cooking and cleanup takes too long then you are > lazy. Ha - that reminded me - we had corned beef & cabbage last night because corned beef was on sale! I agree with you that it cac be done if you are a good shopper! I work at it! > Just saving some time on the replies :-) > Ha - that reminded me - we had corned beef & cabbage last night because > corned beef was on sale! I agree with you that it cac be done if you are a > good shopper! I work at it! OK dont laugh... What is corned beef like? I have seen it a few times and I have never had it.. I dont like new things ;)... Tori SignatureBonnie 3/02 AKA "Goofy Gooferson" Xavier 10/04 AKA "Chunky Chunkerson" >> Ha - that reminded me - we had corned beef & cabbage last night because >> corned beef was on sale! I agree with you that it cac be done if you are [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Tori The kindest thing I can say is that it's an acquired taste! I have yet to acquire it, and hope I never do! Although I DO know people who love it... Each to their own, I love broccoli and sprouts, so there you go! :o) SignatureSteve. scook94atGmaildotCom >> Ha - that reminded me - we had corned beef & cabbage last night because >> corned beef was on sale! I agree with you that it cac be done if you are [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Tori I won't laugh at that - this is only the 2nd time in my life i've ever had it. It is like stringy beef that tastes like hot dog!! but it's good - LOL!! >> Now - that's silly. A fat guy just doesn't want to buy the 89 cent head >> of romaine lettuce and make a nice little salad. It's NOT cheaper to eat >> a pound of Velveeta Mac& Cheese @ about 4$ a box! > The store brand craft is 33cents a box.. But you have to buy butter (1/4 stick for the box right) and milk which are expensive >velveeta is nasty.. I can feed my > family large filling meals for 100$ a month high carb high fat.. I dont [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > to buy baby food but whoever thinks low carb is cheaper did not shop how I > did. I did poor high-carb too. We lived on homemade soup and pasta w/homemade tomato sauce. Potatoes & eggs were a frequent meal too. But I don't spend too much more now unless I splurge on expensive cheeses and goodies like that. I usually buy cheap chicken and we eat tons of salad & eggs. I buy whats on sale too. This week we have top round, mussels, boneless chicken breast & sausages because those are what was super cheap. We are 4 people on 1 income on Long Island - LOL, I have to be very frugal!! BTW: Why do you "have to" buy baby food? It's easy and cheaper to make yourself! > Tori >>> Now - that's silly. A fat guy just doesn't want to buy the 89 cent head >>> of romaine lettuce and make a nice little salad. It's NOT cheaper to eat [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > But you have to buy butter (1/4 stick for the box right) and milk which > are expensive No bought Margarin for 59 cents a box.. who has money for butter? > I did poor high-carb too. We lived on homemade soup and pasta w/homemade > tomato sauce. Potatoes & eggs were a frequent meal too. I got good at the cheaper hot dish meals instead of the hamburger helpers.. cut down the cost a bit. > But I don't spend too much more now unless I splurge on expensive cheeses > and goodies like that. I usually buy cheap chicken and we eat tons of > salad & eggs. I buy whats on sale too. This week we have top round, > mussels, boneless chicken breast & sausages because those are what was > super cheap. In the past I could make 1 chicken breast spread to 3 people... Now I cook 3 because DH takes some to work and my daughter is in an anti protien mode. > We are 4 people on 1 income on Long Island - LOL, I have to be very > frugal!! Yup we make 1200 a month with a family of 4.. > BTW: Why do you "have to" buy baby food? It's easy and cheaper to make > yourself! Mostly because I dont have the storage space in the freezer.. We do as much shopping at the begining of the month as we can so I get 2-3 bags of chicken breasts if I can find them on sale and as much hamburger as I can then an incidental roast if I can.. Some of the problem is My husband only likes chicken if it is Boneless and skinless so weCOULD get better deals some months on the drum sticks or the thighs but or even the quarters but he grumbles the whole meal.. not worth it. Then we have the frozen Veggies and Ice and Bonnies meal of the week. As soon as Mr. Monkey Boy is chewing real food I will stop the baby food.. I will be getting yogurt and start getting reg apple sauce for him next month... that reminds me I need to find out when he can have chunkier food.. he is still gagging on the chunky stuff.. like smooshed up animal cracker. Tori SignatureBonnie 3/02 AKA "Goofy Gooferson" Xavier 10/04 AKA "Chunky Chunkerson" > Mostly because I dont have the storage space in the freezer.. We do as much > shopping at the begining of the month as we can so I get 2-3 bags of chicken [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > months on the drum sticks or the thighs but or even the quarters but he > grumbles the whole meal.. not worth it. How about whole turkeys? Cook, carve, freeze it in meal size portions and use the carcass for making stock. You can bone chicken yourself, too. SignatureNo Husband Has Ever Been Shot While Doing The Dishes > How about whole turkeys? Cook, carve, freeze it in meal size portions > and > use the carcass for making stock. You can bone chicken yourself, too. Brat boy does not like turkey.. if he did I could get turkey burger for 69cents a lb instead of hamburger at over 2$ a lb. I do get the boned chicken breasts when I see them for a good price and debone them.. Tori SignatureXavier 10/04 "Look mommy I am crawling" Bonnie 3/02 "No Xayur thats my blankie" 349.5/327.5/135 > Brat boy does not like turkey.. if he did I could get turkey burger for > 69cents a lb instead of hamburger at over 2$ a lb. I do get the boned > chicken breasts when I see them for a good price and debone them.. I buy the ground turkey for 69¢/lb and when I brown it I add a spoonful of beef soup base (the kind the comes in a squatty jar from GFS). The taste difference between the two is negligable, I use it for meatloaf, taco salads, sloppy joes, etc. I just won't pay 3 times the price for something when there's a reasonable substitute, we live on about $1k/month so the family eats what I can afford to fix or go without...or buy it themselves. We do a lot of chicken/turkey, get pork and beef only when it's on sale, buy our produce off the day-old racks at the produce market or get frozen (which is supposed to be more nutritionally sound anyway), etc. So I can relate to your difficulties :). SignatureSherry 360/?/195 LC since 4/4/05 My LC Journey - www.livejournal.com/users/ShrinkingSherry > > How about whole turkeys? Cook, carve, freeze it in meal size portions > > and [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Tori Try mixing turkey and beef burger 50/50 and just don't tell him...... SignatureOm. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson > > How about whole turkeys? Cook, carve, freeze it in meal size portions > > and [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > 69cents a lb instead of hamburger at over 2$ a lb. I do get the boned > chicken breasts when I see them for a good price and debone them.. It's not hard to bone thighs or leg quarters, or even a whole chicken, then use the bones with the little bits of meat left on it to make broth, I think it would be a good calcium source. You can also bake chickens and carve them for a meal, then make chicken salad or casserole with the left over smaller bits and still use the carcasses to make broth. You can mix hamburger with ground turkey and he probably wouldn't know the difference. SignatureNo Husband Has Ever Been Shot While Doing The Dishes > >> Are you still overweight? I was alot more sympathetic toward fat people > >> when [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Eating tables full of food or eating the wrong kind of food? Are you finding > it very hard to lose weight? I knew better than that, but it turns out that I developed hypothyroidism right after puberty which is when I started gaining weight. I was 185 at age 17 when I graduated from high school. I found it next to impossible to lose weight, felt like crap, parents never did recognize there was a problem and yes, some of it was bad eating choices. I never was an over-eater.... I tried counting calories and kept cutting and cutting, clear back to 600 calories per day! Could not lose weight. Finally was diagnosed with the metabolic problems once I had HEALTH INSURANCE and a full time career. Once you are huge, it's VERY difficult to get it off. I was back up to 273 at the beginning of this year when I finally went to see my current Dr. She also diagnosed me with insulin resistance (which is extremely common in the morbidly obese and NOT recognized by a lot of doctors) so that makes it impossible to lose weight on the high carb, low fat diets that the govt. has shoved down our throats for so many damned years! Eat 600 calores per day worth of starchy low fat foods every day and see what happens. ;-) I weighed in yesterday and I'm now down by 40 lbs. We are still trying to get my thyroid levels just right and the metformin and low carb diet are getting things under control finally. It's NOT that freaking easy sometimes!!! Therefore I don't judge. I know better. > Here's a good one! When I was fat i would complain with other fat gals about > the size of clothes in stores and the "average woman's size in america" Then > I lost the weight, came to my senses and realized the average woman in > america is FAT. I don't want to aspire to average and I would be pissed now > if that's what the stores catered too. It was a denial thing - it had to > be - or being brainwashed by the "fat acceptance" happy crappy! That's fine for you, but it's unfair of you to judge or have negative feelings about the other fat people. There are soooo many factors involved. > > Yes, I am still heavy but even when I managed to get down to a better > > level, I never had any negative feelings for other fat people because [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > That's good - you are taking control of your life. Most people don't. You > will probably succeed. I have no doubt. ;-) But it took education and medical help. That's a BIG part of the problem in the US. > > I can also get the free lab work done to get my darned thyroid levels to > > where they need to be by adjusting the medication. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > romaine lettuce and make a nice little salad. It's NOT cheaper to eat a > pound of Velveeta Mac& Cheese @ about 4$ a box! <lol> I'm talking about rice, beans and tortillas which are what the local food bank passes out a LOT of here. There is a high (obese) hispanic population in this area of Texas. And I know what poor families eat. They also eat a lot of potatoes and pasta. And it takes MEAT, not lettuce to lose weight for pity sakes! Meat is expensive. Chicken is more affordable but rice, potatoes, bags of spagetti noodles and the high fat ground beef are even cheaper. Price bags of pasta, rice and beans sometime, as well as cheap loaves of white bread at the grocery. That is the _base_ of a lot of poverty diets. And BTW, a 1 oz. slice of velveeta is often my last meal of the day. ;-) I lose weight best on a higher fat diet and almost zero carbs. I live on a diet of less than 25 grams per day which is where I set my limit. But I make 50k per year. I can afford velveeta.... > > Education would help, but still...... > > It's not a stretch to figure out which meal is a better choice. Are you > saying that obese people are also totally stupid by nature? No, just poor and uneducated AND the govt. for MANY years (look at the food pyramid!!!) keeps stressing that a HIGH CARB (starch) diet is the best for us!!!!!! > > While I feel compassion for others that are stuck in the fat rut, I sure > > don't feel negative towards them. > > I used to smoke and after quitting for a while I am grossed out by smokers > too. I've never smoked. Thank gods! ;-) SignatureOm. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson Velveeta isn't cheese, it's "processed cheese food". Do yourself a favor, try a variety of real cheeses, they taste much better and are better for you. In news:Omelet-27EFF9.13010126052005@corp.supernews.com, OmManiPadmeOmelet <Omelet@brokenegz.com> stated | And BTW, a 1 oz. slice of velveeta is often my last meal of the day. | ;-) I lose weight best on a higher fat diet and almost zero carbs. I | live on a diet of less than 25 grams per day which is where I set my | limit. | | But I make 50k per year. I can afford velveeta.... > Velveeta isn't cheese, it's "processed cheese food". Do yourself a favor, > try a variety of real cheeses, they taste much better and are better for > you. I also have Mozarella, jack and chedder available, and sometimes meunster, Brie and Havarti. I LIKE Velveeta fake cheese. It's a comfort food. Cheers! SignatureOm. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson >> >> Are you still overweight? I was alot more sympathetic toward fat >> >> people [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > recognize there was a problem and yes, some of it was bad eating > choices. I never was an over-eater.... I'm glad you at least found out what your medical problems are and take care of yourself. > I tried counting calories and kept cutting and cutting, clear back to > 600 calories per day! Could not lose weight. Finally was diagnosed with [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > that makes it impossible to lose weight on the high carb, low fat diets > that the govt. has shoved down our throats for so many damned years! I've never been more than about 205 so I dunno. I never fell for the low fat business but my family is mediterenean. My family always laughed at the creepy american stuff like Margerine and...yes, especially Velveeta > Eat 600 calores per day worth of starchy low fat foods every day and see > what happens. ;-) Rather not. > I weighed in yesterday and I'm now down by 40 lbs. We are still trying > to get my thyroid levels just right and the metformin and low carb diet > are getting things under control finally. That's great. > It's NOT that freaking easy sometimes!!! > > Therefore I don't judge. I know better. You know it's hard but you TRY and you do something about it. I am not judging just put off. If I see a fat kid eating a bag of cheese doodles walking next to big fat mom and she's pushing a cart full of crappy food & soda - yes I am very turned off. I do not judge and think "you evil people" >> Here's a good one! When I was fat i would complain with other fat gals >> about [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > feelings about the other fat people. There are soooo many factors > involved. I didn't say I was proud of my feeling but having left that group I know see a change in my attitude. >> > Yes, I am still heavy but even when I managed to get down to a better >> > level, I never had any negative feelings for other fat people because [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > But it took education and medical help. > That's a BIG part of the problem in the US. oh yes >> > I can also get the free lab work done to get my darned thyroid levels >> > to [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > But I make 50k per year. I can afford velveeta.... You can also afford real cheese - what the heck IS velveeta anyway? it doesn't even need to be kept cold right? is it dairy? is it a petroleum product? I was raised to fear the stuff... >> > Education would help, but still...... >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > food pyramid!!!) keeps stressing that a HIGH CARB (starch) diet is the > best for us!!!!!! You are implying that the fat people I see are all poor uneducatied and living on handouts. not where I live, sorry. They are just fat and not doing anything about it. >> > While I feel compassion for others that are stuck in the fat rut, I >> > sure [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > I've never smoked. Thank gods! ;-) <snipped for brevity> > You know it's hard but you TRY and you do something about it. I am not > judging just put off. If I see a fat kid eating a bag of cheese doodles > walking next to big fat mom and she's pushing a cart full of crappy food & > soda - yes I am very turned off. > > I do not judge and think "you evil people" Thank you. ;-) I, too, tend to watch people's food choices at the store. It's kind of interesting and I can always tell the low carbers... And yes, it saddens me when I see my 300+ lb. co-worker consuming yet another damned donut that some moronic sales rep. has left in the break room! I usually toss that stuff when I find it in there now. She is literally killing herself. Hell of it is, I know that SHE knows better but has become so addicted to crap that she has no will power. :-( I'll admit that low carbing initially took a little self-control but now it's gotten easy. I want to just tell them and yell at them, but I know that I cannot. Everyone that really wants to can do what needs to be done when they are ready, but I DO wish that the food pyramid was not suck a friggin LIE!!! > >> Here's a good one! When I was fat i would complain with other fat gals > >> about [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > I didn't say I was proud of my feeling but having left that group I know see > a change in my attitude. Ok. :-) I'm not in to fat acceptance for myself, I just hate to see fat people treated like lepers. It's just not right... So many are in that boat due to the lies that we have been told for so many years! > >> > Yes, I am still heavy but even when I managed to get down to a better > >> > level, I never had any negative feelings for other fat people because [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > oh yes :-) > >> > I can also get the free lab work done to get my darned thyroid levels > >> > to [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > doesn't even need to be kept cold right? is it dairy? is it a petroleum > product? I was raised to fear the stuff... It's a comfort food for me. It has a lot of memories attached to it. It's breakdown is not THAT bad compared to "real cheese" and I do use the good stuff to cook with. I buy a lot of part skim pre-shredded mozarella and keep it in the freezer to cook with. I _like_ velveeta and limit myself to only 1 oz. at a time. ;-) I don't sit and eat the whole 2 lb. loaf! I think that is an important part of learning about nutrition is portion control. My stomach has shrunk so much, I don't even bother going to buffet's any more. I can't eat enough to make the price worth it. ;-P That's why I think that gastric bypass surgery is such a nasty joke! Given time, you can train yourself to eat a few tiny meals per day and not one hyooge one! 2 eggs stuffs me. 1 cup of cottage cheese stuffs me. I could go on but you get the idea. Portion control. > >> > Education would help, but still...... > >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > living on handouts. not where I live, sorry. They are just fat and not doing > anything about it. They may not be poor, but I'll bet they are ignorant. And the county that I live in has a high poverty rate. A lot of people don't even speak good english. SignatureOm. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson > <snipped for brevity> >> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > Everyone that really wants to can do what needs to be done when they are > ready, but I DO wish that the food pyramid was not suck a friggin LIE!!! ...because the government is generally so trustworthy & honest? Maybe I've been a skeptic since birth but I never saw how having a diet based in carbs could do anything good. >> >> Here's a good one! When I was fat i would complain with other fat gals >> >> about [quoted text clipped - 139 lines] > > A lot of people don't even speak good english. <snipped> > > I'll admit that low carbing initially took a little self-control but now > > it's gotten easy. I want to just tell them and yell at them, but I know [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > been a skeptic since birth but I never saw how having a diet based in carbs > could do anything good. I'm embarassed to say that I had to learn it :-( Learning animal husbandry taught me some. What feed do they use to fatten livestock? SignatureOm. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson >And yes, it saddens me when I see my 300+ lb. co-worker consuming yet >another damned donut that some moronic sales rep. has left in the break >room! I usually toss that stuff when I find it in there now. > >She is literally killing herself. Hell of it is, I know that SHE knows >better but has become so addicted to crap that she has no will power. :-( Just realize you can't change her. You can only change the way you react to her. I've been doing this long enough to know that preaching doesn't work, but just being does. :) Interestingly enough, I have a coworker with something of the opposite problem. She low carbs, but also has a morbid fear of eating fat, so she's not getting adequate nutrition. She's underweight, looks 15 years older than I do (we're about the same age), and thinks that the only *real* exercise is the treadmill. Oh, and she needs to have both her hips replaced - she can barely walk. But according to her - I'm all wrong because I choose to do anaerobic exercise instead of being a mouse on a wheel. She actually started an argument with me about it - telling me that the metabolism boosting effect of cardio was far more effective than that of weight lifting, and of course, she knew more about this because she was *thin* and I wasn't. For the sake of office harmony, I just bit my tongue instead of saying what I really wanted to, which was, "Hey babe, ya think all those miles on your little treadmill might have something to do with your bad hips? Do ya think that maybe if you'd done a little weight lifting (and no, despite what you said, you don't get bulky if you're a female), you might have strengthened the muscles that support your hip joints? Do ya think that maybe a little fat in your diet might have helped keep your joints lubricated? She's one misstep away from needing a walker, but I'm wrong. Okay. Oh, and she wears clothes that are 30 years too young for her - talk about mutton dressed as lamb. ::shudder:: Glad I got *that* off my back - it's hard to maintain that village idiot grin all day long on the job. Myra > >And yes, it saddens me when I see my 300+ lb. co-worker consuming yet > >another damned donut that some moronic sales rep. has left in the break [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > I've been doing this long enough to know that preaching doesn't work, > but just being does. :) I know... I don't say anything to her as I know she already knows. It's not necessary. I simply remove "temptation" whenever I have the opportunity! > Interestingly enough, I have a coworker with something of the opposite > problem. She low carbs, but also has a morbid fear of eating fat, so [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > walk. But according to her - I'm all wrong because I choose to do > anaerobic exercise instead of being a mouse on a wheel. Ugh. She has no clu' has she? Weightlifting helps bones and joints by strengthening the muscles that do the supporting! Studies have also shown that weight lifting is about the only thing that actually REVERSES ostioporosis!!! Something to do with the strain on the bones from the tendons and ligaments activating osteocytes and getting them to deposit denser bones. I do both, but I prefer a stairmaster. ;-) > She actually started an argument with me about it - telling me that > the metabolism boosting effect of cardio was far more effective than [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > the muscles that support your hip joints? Do ya think that maybe a > little fat in your diet might have helped keep your joints lubricated? Has she never heard of "essential fatty acids"? > She's one misstep away from needing a walker, but I'm wrong. Okay. Poor thing. :-( And no, if one is female, it's impossible to really bulk up unless one decides to use anabolic steroids. > Oh, and she wears clothes that are 30 years too young for her - talk > about mutton dressed as lamb. ::shudder:: [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Myra Hehehe! My shoulders are accomodating..... Cheers! SignatureOm. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson Re your co-worker: >I know... I don't say anything to her as I know she already knows. >It's not necessary. > >I simply remove "temptation" whenever I have the opportunity! Don't even do that. Every Friday, my office's lunch room is filled with dozens of bagels. My own attorney brings in Krispy Kreme donuts every Thursday - and I send out the general announcement for him. Almost every cubicle has jars of candy, bowls of chocolates, etc., all available to anyone walking by. I never touch the stuff. No one needs to remove it from my sight or smell. I've made the decision. Your co-worker either will or won't, but no matter how much you care (and I do sense you care), you're not her Jiminy Cricket. Treat her like the adult she is. Re my own co-worker: >Ugh. She has no clu' has she? >Weightlifting helps bones and joints by strengthening the muscles that >do the supporting! Exactly. But she's skinny, so she's right and I'm wrong. I have no joint problems, no cholesterol problems, no blood pressure problems - mine is now simply an aesthetics problem, but I'm still wrong. >Studies have also shown that weight lifting is about the only thing that >actually REVERSES ostioporosis!!! Something to do with the strain on the >bones from the tendons and ligaments activating osteocytes and getting >them to deposit denser bones. Tell me about it - I got my mother into weight lifting, and she started straightening up again (she's lost about 2 inches of height in the past decade). She became more flexible, stopped aching, and just generally feels better. >I do both, but I prefer a stairmaster. ;-) I do laps in my gym's pool - walking and swimming. Followed by 10 delicious minutes in the jacuzzi - stark nekkid. >Has she never heard of "essential fatty acids"? Yes, but to her dietary fat is a fearful thing. She would, quite literally, rather be dead than gain an ounce. >Hehehe! >My shoulders are accomodating..... Thanks for the kind offer! Myra > Re your co-worker: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Don't even do that. Sorry, I don't feel guilty tossing stale krispy kreams into the trash. ;-) While I'm not the least bit tempted, they stink up the room. ;-P > Every Friday, my office's lunch room is filled with dozens of bagels. > My own attorney brings in Krispy Kreme donuts every Thursday - and I > send out the general announcement for him. Almost every cubicle has > jars of candy, bowls of chocolates, etc., all available to anyone > walking by. <sigh> Sugar addiction. Bad stuff. > I never touch the stuff. No one needs to remove it from my sight or > smell. I've made the decision. Your co-worker either will or won't, > but no matter how much you care (and I do sense you care), you're not > her Jiminy Cricket. Treat her like the adult she is. She is dying..... Congestive heart failure. They've managed to get it under control for now, but still! > Re my own co-worker: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > joint problems, no cholesterol problems, no blood pressure problems - > mine is now simply an aesthetics problem, but I'm still wrong. <lol> I know that feeling. ;-) I'm SO glad that another of my co-workers has finally discovered what I've seen all along in low carbing! Her problem was that she had to learn to like meat. Fortunately, I've always been a carnivoir. Last night was pressure cooked chicken feet. <lol> My housemate was not feeling well so I bought some feet as they make the best, richest and most medicinal stock. I removed the feet for my own personal private treat after making the stock broth. He will eat the stock but not the feet. <G> To that I added rehydrated shitake mushroom, a whole large chopped onion, some strips of Nori and egg drops, along with lemon pepper, garlic and fresh ginger. Very medicinal and very delicious. He is feeling better today! > >Studies have also shown that weight lifting is about the only thing that > >actually REVERSES ostioporosis!!! Something to do with the strain on the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > the past decade). She became more flexible, stopped aching, and just > generally feels better. Maybe you could print out some articles for her to read, if she would raed them? > >I do both, but I prefer a stairmaster. ;-) > > I do laps in my gym's pool - walking and swimming. Followed by 10 > delicious minutes in the jacuzzi - stark nekkid. Sounds lovely! If I can ever get a routine schedule, I've considered going to the river in the morning, putting on my big fins and swimming up river against the current for 1/2 mile or so. THAT would be good I think! > >Has she never heard of "essential fatty acids"? > > Yes, but to her dietary fat is a fearful thing. She would, quite > literally, rather be dead than gain an ounce. Skinny is not necessarily healthy. :-( > >Hehehe! > >My shoulders are accomodating..... > > Thanks for the kind offer! > > Myra ;-) Cheers! SignatureOm. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson >Sorry, I don't feel guilty tossing stale krispy kreams into the trash. >;-) While I'm not the least bit tempted, they stink up the room. ;-P Well, that's not quite the same thing. :) >She is dying..... >Congestive heart failure. We all kill ourselves in our own way - you can't do anything to stop her, and if she wants to live, she'll stop herself. >Fortunately, I've always been a carnivoir. Meat. Mmmm. >Last night was pressure cooked chicken feet. <lol> My housemate was not >feeling well so I bought some feet as they make the best, richest and >most medicinal stock. I removed the feet for my own personal private >treat after making the stock broth. He will eat the stock but not the >feet. <G> My grandmother used to eat chicken feet - and they do make good stock, when you can find them. Usually, I can find them at Ranch 99 - a local chain of Asian supermarkets. When I do a chicken soup, I make a double stock - start with a double-sized batch (two gallons of water plus the fixings), then start all over using the first stock to make the second. Very rich. Tonight was a ribeye steak and sauteed mushrooms with a Kroger's low-carb strawberry yogurt for dessert (always on sale at Ralph's - 10 for $5.00). When the ribeyes are on special, I buy at least a dozen and keep 'em in the freezer for the weekends. Usually, I eat only two meals on my days off so I eat a bit more than usual for dinner. For tomorrow, I've defrosted a brisket from Trader Joe's, and I'm going to smoke it out on my balcony over pecan wood. An all-day project, but definitely worth it. Besides, how many apartment-dwelling chicks do you know who own a meat smoker??? >Maybe you could print out some articles for her to read, if she would >raed them? Nah - trying to educate her is like trying to teach a pig to sing. It only frustrates you and annoys the pig. >Sounds lovely! >If I can ever get a routine schedule, I've considered going to the river >in the morning, putting on my big fins and swimming up river against the >current for 1/2 mile or so. THAT would be good I think! It must be nice to live near a river you can swim in! LOL! I live about 100 feet from the L.A. River, but, uh, it's not the kind of river you want to swim in - even when it actually has water in it. >Skinny is not necessarily healthy. :-( Nope, it isn't. But don't forget - I live in La-La Land where being skinny is "better" than being healthy. Myra > >Sorry, I don't feel guilty tossing stale krispy kreams into the trash. > >;-) While I'm not the least bit tempted, they stink up the room. ;-P > > Well, that's not quite the same thing. :) Funny how I can no longer stand the smell of stale sugary baked goods now that I am no longer interested in eating them. > >She is dying..... > >Congestive heart failure. > > We all kill ourselves in our own way - you can't do anything to stop > her, and if she wants to live, she'll stop herself. I hope so... She really is a good human being and I hate to see where she is going with this. > >Fortunately, I've always been a carnivoir. > > Meat. Mmmm. Indeed! > >Last night was pressure cooked chicken feet. <lol> My housemate was not > >feeling well so I bought some feet as they make the best, richest and [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > when you can find them. Usually, I can find them at Ranch 99 - a > local chain of Asian supermarkets. I get them at "Fiesta" in Austin. A big Mexican supermarket. Great place to produce shop too. > When I do a chicken soup, I make a double stock - start with a > double-sized batch (two gallons of water plus the fixings), then start > all over using the first stock to make the second. Very rich. Sounds lovely! > Tonight was a ribeye steak and sauteed mushrooms with a Kroger's > low-carb strawberry yogurt for dessert (always on sale at Ralph's - 10 > for $5.00). When the ribeyes are on special, I buy at least a dozen > and keep 'em in the freezer for the weekends. Usually, I eat only two > meals on my days off so I eat a bit more than usual for dinner. I tend to also eat only 1 or 2 meals per day on my days off. I just get so busy! Tonight was a pork shoulder pot roast. I stabbed the roast all over and stuffed garlic slivers into the stabs, then topped it with sliced shallots and fresh herbs from the herb garden. Placed that in a large cast iron pot and added quartered onions, and chunks of carrots, celery, whole mushrooms and chunks of portabellos, and just a few peeled pieces of yam. Came out quite good! I have to work tomorrow so won't be doing anything special for memorial day. There will be plenty of pot roast left over. The rest of the chickenfoot/shitake soup went into the freezer. I'll thaw it out when the rest of the pot roast is gone. I'll probably not have to cook for the next 5 or 6 days. ;-) I envy you the cheap rib-eyes. They have not been under $7.00 per lb. here now for a long time! If I have to pay that for meat, I'll buy shrimp! > For tomorrow, I've defrosted a brisket from Trader Joe's, and I'm > going to smoke it out on my balcony over pecan wood. An all-day > project, but definitely worth it. Besides, how many > apartment-dwelling chicks do you know who own a meat smoker??? This is Texas, You'd be surprised. ;-) > >Maybe you could print out some articles for her to read, if she would > >raed them? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > about 100 feet from the L.A. River, but, uh, it's not the kind of > river you want to swim in - even when it actually has water in it. I know. I was born in LA. We left there when I was 12. This River is beautiful! It comes out of ground springs and I can swim right below the source. The water is very pure and clear so if I snorkel or scuba, it's like swimming in an aquarium if I go when there are no other swimmers silting it up. > >Skinny is not necessarily healthy. :-( > > Nope, it isn't. But don't forget - I live in La-La Land where being > skinny is "better" than being healthy. > > Myra Indeed...... SignatureOm. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson > Oh, and she needs to have both her hips replaced - she can barely > walk. But according to her - I'm all wrong because I choose to do > anaerobic exercise instead of being a mouse on a wheel. Her insistence on doing low-carb plus low-fat may be a big part of the problem. It's likely difficult to maintain normal hormonal levels when eliminating all the fat from your diet, especially (but not limited to) the essential fatty acids. And properly-balanced hormones are necessary to maintain bone health. Apparently, based on population studies, the decline in hormone levels at menopause isn't necessarily enough to cause demineralization of bones. Vegetarians point to excess protein as causal in osteoporosis, but there are plenty of long-term vegans with osteoporosis. I'd guess it's a combination of things. But you can't make the hormones your body wants to make without enough of the right fats. Too much protein may be a problem also, and as has been noted here a zillion times low-carb diets almost by necessity become high-protein when fat is restricted, in order to provide enough calories. I agree with you about adding resistance exercise... that's a proven way to help keep bone. HG HG >Her insistence on doing low-carb plus low-fat may be a big part of the >problem. It's likely difficult to maintain normal hormonal levels when [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >provide enough calories. I agree with you about adding resistance >exercise... that's a proven way to help keep bone. Hannah! Wanna come visit my office? She's really little - we could just STOMP the information into her. With those bad hips, it's not like she could run away from us.... LOL! Myra > Oh, and she wears clothes that are 30 years too young for her - talk > about mutton dressed as lamb. ::shudder:: I want to use that one please. I've never heard it before but it is hilarious and I will make appropriate attributions. I am STILL laughing! Signature370/270/270 Meatatarian: One who consumes primarily flesh and supplements with some leafy or cruciferous vegetation. Graino/Nuto Meatatarian: One who consumes primarily flesh foods and follows the strictures of the standard meatatarian but relaxes the strictures a bit to include occasional supplements of whole grain/nut products. Meatan: One who consumes flesh food products exclusively. Email: Actually my feet are big not medium. >> Oh, and she wears clothes that are 30 years too young for her - talk >> about mutton dressed as lamb. ::shudder:: >> >I want to use that one please. I've never heard it before but it is >hilarious and I will make appropriate attributions. >I am STILL laughing! Of course you can steal it from me. I stole it from Trinny and Susannah from BBC's "What Not to Wear," and I'm sure they stole it from somewhere - it's probably a well known saying in England. I adore Trinny and Susannah. I want them to come and do me. Myra "Myra" <historygal@earthlink.net> wrote in message >>> Oh, and she wears clothes that are 30 years too young for her - talk >>> about mutton dressed as lamb. ::shudder:: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > I adore Trinny and Susannah. I want them to come and do me. I think they're fantastic! :) And I like their rules better than Stacey & Clinton's rules. >"Myra" <historygal@earthlink.net> wrote in message >> >> I adore Trinny and Susannah. I want them to come and do me. > >I think they're fantastic! :) And I like their rules better than Stacey & >Clinton's rules. Who are Stacey and Clinton? The anti-Trinny and Susannah? I don't watch the American version.... Myra "Myra" <historygal@earthlink.net> wrote in message >>"Myra" <historygal@earthlink.net> wrote in message >>> I adore Trinny and Susannah. I want them to come and do me. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Myra They are the American version of T&S in "What Not to Wear". However, they have different opinions of what flatters which figures. T&S, for instance, say that busty women should have deeper necklines... not necessarily showing cleavage, but it needs to be open and v-neck shapes are always good (I've found this to be true on myself, v-necks actually seem to minimize a little and make me look more normal). T&S say that the worst thing a busty girl can do is wear, say, a turtleneck. And that the worst thing a flat-chested girl can do is wear a very deep v-neck - I think they called it an arrow pointing to disappointment. Ha ha. Anyway... S&C somehow got this reversed and I've seen them recommend covered, busy necklines for busty women (and it looks exactly like T&S say - that the boobs start right at the neck) and they are constantly putting very low cut tops (one with the V clear down to the belly!) on women who are not naturally endowed. I do like S&C's insults. :) But I'd rather hear advice from T&S, I trust their input and practicality more. >They are the American version of T&S in "What Not to Wear". However, they >have different opinions of what flatters which figures. T&S, for instance, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >girl can do is wear a very deep v-neck - I think they called it an arrow >pointing to disappointment. Ha ha. Heheheh. I like them because they dress to their own rules - flat-chested Trinny never wears anything low-cut, and busty Susannah never wears any high-necked tops. Let's see if I follow their advice for myself: For my own shape - which is basically a long-torsoed beachball on short legs (sigh) - I tend to wear long tops or tunics to cover my belly (which is going bye-bye soon), full-length slacks to give my legs some length, and usually a v-neckline. I'm not particularly busty - just a B cup - but I wear bras that enhance what I have, and since I don't have a long neck, the v-neck makes it look longer. In tops, I find either a trapeze or men's shirttail style to be the most flattering, as the former enhances the bust and the illusion of hips, and the latter covers my belly, but not the sides of my legs, which makes them look longer (also hip enhancing). Because I'm long waisted but not particularly tall (5'4), I steer far away from dresses - when I need to show my legs (which are quite shapely, at least from the knees down!), I wear separates - petite skirts and regular or tall jackets. Since I'm a very fair-skinned, natural dark blonde, I stay away from pastels and other colors that wash me out and stick with rich jewel tones or medium greens and lavenders. I used to avoid browns like the plague, but I've found that a chocolate brown works well. I do wear a lot of black, but not because I'm trying to hide anything - it's just that black offsets my coloring really well. After spending years in sneakers on the advice of my orthopedist because of chronic achilles tendonitis, I started wearing low to medium heels (and found the tendonitis just went away - hmm). Now that I get regular pedicures, I'm favoring open-toed shoes lately. If you want to see what I look like, you can go to Yahoo personals: http://personals.yahoo.com/us/historygal1. The pics were taken in April (new pics next week, after I have my hair done). Myra > I weighed in yesterday and I'm now down by 40 lbs. We are still trying > to get my thyroid levels just right and the metformin and low carb diet > are getting things under control finally. I've just spent the last year inching my thyroxine levels up to the right point - you are not going to BELIEVE how good you feel, when you finally get yours sorted! I got a "full" reflex that I never remember having in my life before now, and so much energy that exercising is usually a genuine pleasure. I hope you feel equally as good! Nicky. SignatureA1c 10.5/4.5/<6 Weight 95/77/72Kg 1g Metformin, 100ug Thyroxine T2 DX 05/2004 > > I weighed in yesterday and I'm now down by 40 lbs. We are still trying > > to get my thyroid levels just right and the metformin and low carb diet [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > point - you are not going to BELIEVE how good you feel, when you finally get > yours sorted! I'm getting the idea. ;-) At the very least, I've noted a DRASTIC improvement in mood and short term memory..... > I got a "full" reflex that I never remember having in my life before now, > and so much energy that exercising is usually a genuine pleasure. > > I hope you feel equally as good! > > Nicky. Thanks! SignatureOm. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson > Are you still overweight? I was alot more sympathetic toward fat people when > I was fat. Now I see fat people and have all the same bad feelings I felt > from others. I don't sneer, point, call names or let the door smack them in > the face but I definitely have negative feelings. Try staying slim for a while, and your sympathy for fat people may become restored. I am serious. Signature223/174.7/180 >> Are you still overweight? I was alot more sympathetic toward fat people >> when [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Try staying slim for a while, and your sympathy for fat people may > become restored. I am serious. I have been thin (average wieght 125-135 at 5'4") the majority of my life (wanting to drop 5-10 lbs and get more firm usually) I gained 30lbs when I went on an anti-panic/anxiety drug. I wanted to find a better way to control those probs so I learned about LC and quit caffiene & smoking along w/sugar. It has helped tremendously and I lost the 30lbs to boot. I kept it off for years, living LC. I gained weight back during 2 pregnancies = a combined total of 4 years pregnant & nursing non-stop. Since then I have dropped back down w/LC to within 18lbs of my goal. I still have no pity for the fat. I do feel bad for fat kids whose parents feed them crap and set a bad example. I can not see it from the perspective of someone who has been 400lbs or been fat all thier life. Y'all shouldn't be allowed to breed. SignatureMost people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW > I have been thin (average wieght 125-135 at 5'4") the majority of my life > (wanting to drop 5-10 lbs and get more firm usually) I gained 30lbs when I > went on an anti-panic/anxiety drug. I work in a post office where the guys are so afraid of being reported for harassment that it took a ton of weight before they dared say I was looking much better. I don't like to feel uncomfortable but a compliment doesn't hurt once in a while. S.H. can be taken too seriously sometimes, Diane >>> I was standing at a red-light waiting for the crosswalk yesterday, when >>> a [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > No one enjoys it. When you were fat did they whistle at you? That's her > point - >> I was standing at a red-light waiting for the crosswalk yesterday, when a >> big truck with two men went by and started whistling, so I turned around [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > going to be so turned on I'm going to jump in the truck with them and go > get it on? They do it for fun... To see what the woman's reaction will be... To prove to their buddy that they are manly men and notice such things... Of course, they can't win no matter what they do. Some women take it as a compliment and smile, and some feel creeped out and want to hide. I doubt most men are trying to creep them out. >> I was standing at a red-light waiting for the crosswalk yesterday, when a >> big truck with two men went by and started whistling, so I turned around [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > going to be so turned on I'm going to jump in the truck with them and go > get it on? Nah, they're probably firmly married - they'd likely be horrified if you took it any further : ) It's just a game play - it just signals that you're within the acceptable parameters for a partner, if both parties ever wanted to pursue the game. Nicky. SignatureA1c 10.5/4.5/<6 Weight 95/77/72Kg 1g Metformin, 100ug Thyroxine T2 DX 05/2004 |
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