Weight Loss Forum / Low Carb / June 2005
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Luna - 28 Jun 2005 05:06 GMT I'm not posting this as off topic because as far as I'm concerned exercise is on topic for this newsgroup, and this is about exercise or the lack thereof.
Well, my foot still hurts and is still swollen, but it's getting better. I can hobble around, just not very fast. I have to take pretty frequent breaks from walking around and doing stuff at work, so I can sit and elevate it and ice it if need be.
I hate it. I hate only being able to do upper body work at the gym. I hate how slowly I have to walk. I hate sitting for long periods of time. I hate that it's hard to get up again once I have been sitting.
All this makes me think about people who have trouble walking from being extremely overweight, or have muscle or bone problems from a lifetime of inactivity, and I vow here and now that I will never take the ability to move easily through the world for granted again. Before I started regular exercise, I sat around most of the time, and found every excuse I could not to get up and move. When I am healed, I will walk, I will run, I will bound up and down the stairs (carefully this time!) and I may even dance, but whatever I do I want to be active and moving and keep my legs strong and healthy for as long as I can. And I will remember that the last step on the outside stairs is shorter than the others so I won't misstep and f.ck up my foot again, lol.
Roger Zoul - 28 Jun 2005 10:41 GMT :> I'm not posting this as off topic because as far as I'm concerned :> exercise is on topic for this newsgroup, and this is about exercise [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] :> outside stairs is shorter than the others so I won't misstep and :> f.ck up my foot again, lol. Hey, and while you're making vows, why not vow right now to: 1) get job that will really challenge you (even if you don't like it as much as you figure you ought to), b) put that brain of yours to work, c) get you some medical insurance so you can see a doctor at times like this, d) use that degree you've got.
Just some friendly advice from Uncle Roger :)
Luna - 28 Jun 2005 15:42 GMT > :> I'm not posting this as off topic because as far as I'm concerned > :> exercise is on topic for this newsgroup, and this is about exercise [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > that will really challenge you (even if you don't like it as much as you > figure you ought to), b) put that brain of yours to work, Haha, would you really like to know how much working with children challenges me and requires me to use my brain? Anyway, I'm applying for spring semester to get my B.A. and get certified to become a teacher. The challenge there is that I have to wait until I can get a day off to go down to the college, because they won't return my emails or phone calls, and I can't get their website to load so I can get the info I need. This isn't a unique thing, I've talked to other students at the university, and they all say the College of Education admin sucks when it comes to communication with prospective students. Which makes no sense, what with the teacher shortage and all, but I figure if I show up and wait they'll eventually _have_ to see me, even if it takes all day.
> c) get you some > medical insurance so you can see a doctor at times like this, I would have seen a doctor if it had been necessary. There's a hospital with a sliding scale, and that's the one I called for the free advice on whether I needed to come in.
>d) use that > degree you've got. Been there, done that. You know what my AA in theater qualifies me for? Work-for-hire temporary jobs building scenery or making props. Even the full-time props people at Atlanta's highest paying theater only make $11,000 a year, and those jobs are hard to get. Barely scrape by in a career I don't have any passion for and which won't support me financially? Or get the education I need to become a teacher, which pays at least a little more and would fulfill me? I'm really excited about this, and I think I'd be good at it.
> Just some friendly advice from Uncle Roger :) More like unwanted, uninformed, patronizing nagging. Thanks, but no thanks.
JC Der Koenig - 28 Jun 2005 15:46 GMT > Haha, would you really like to know how much working with children > challenges me and requires me to use my brain? Anyway, I'm applying for > spring semester to get my B.A. and get certified to become a teacher. Say it ain't so.
Luna - 28 Jun 2005 16:10 GMT > > Haha, would you really like to know how much working with children > > challenges me and requires me to use my brain? Anyway, I'm applying for > > spring semester to get my B.A. and get certified to become a teacher. > > Say it ain't so. Why? Don't worry, I won't teach math. I'm thinking middle school English, or maybe art if they still have art teachers by then. Or maybe science, I like science.
FOB - 28 Jun 2005 17:12 GMT Science is a good way to go, there is usually a shortage of science teachers.
In news:lunachick-4C7C76.11124228062005@news1.east.earthlink.net, Luna <lunachick@NOSPAMmindspring.com> stated
| Why? Don't worry, I won't teach math. I'm thinking middle school | English, or maybe art if they still have art teachers by then. Or | maybe science, I like science. Jim Bard - 28 Jun 2005 17:15 GMT > Why? Don't worry, I won't teach math. I'm thinking middle school > English, or maybe art if they still have art teachers by then. Or maybe > science, I like science. I like science! Do you have a sense of humor? The physical laws of the universe, at least as they currently are "understood", are the surest proof that God has a profound sense of humor.
JC Der Koenig - 28 Jun 2005 18:08 GMT >> > Haha, would you really like to know how much working with children >> > challenges me and requires me to use my brain? Anyway, I'm applying [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > English, or maybe art if they still have art teachers by then. Or maybe > science, I like science. You don't just casually step into teaching science. You actually have to know some of it first. Which means you actually have to learn some math.
Luna - 28 Jun 2005 23:37 GMT > >> > Haha, would you really like to know how much working with children > >> > challenges me and requires me to use my brain? Anyway, I'm applying [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > You don't just casually step into teaching science. You actually have to > know some of it first. Which means you actually have to learn some math. I know some science, and I know some math. I'm talking about middle school level here, and I did well in middle school math and science. I even went to a "magnet school" for it in seventh grade. I'd definitely need additional schooling in science if I were to teach it, but I feel capable of learning it.
What gets me about math is that I don't understand the processes they use these days, at least at the school where I work. When the kids want help with their math homework, I can get the answer, and I can explain how I got it, it's just not the method their teachers want them to use. For instance, they don't seem to do long division any more. Or there will be a two digit number at the top, and a bunch of boxes underneath, and you have to put some numbers in the boxes, but there's no instructions. I'm guessing they want factors, but it doesn't say.
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JC Der Koenig - 29 Jun 2005 00:07 GMT >> >> > Haha, would you really like to know how much working with children >> >> > challenges me and requires me to use my brain? Anyway, I'm applying [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > and you have to put some numbers in the boxes, but there's no > instructions. I'm guessing they want factors, but it doesn't say. I suppose there is hope for you yet. The way math and science is being taught at many elementary and middles schools leaves a lot to be desired, as you've seen. Perhaps you can fix it. ;-)
Luna - 29 Jun 2005 01:03 GMT > >> >> > Haha, would you really like to know how much working with children > >> >> > challenges me and requires me to use my brain? Anyway, I'm applying [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > taught at many elementary and middles schools leaves a lot to be desired, as > you've seen. Perhaps you can fix it. ;-) The most important fundamental thing in both math and science, imo, is logic. The scientific method is all about logic. Logic, critical thinking, and questions that have only one right answer are unpopular concepts right now. "Self esteem" is considered more important.
I'm really grateful for the approach we use in our after-school program. In our games, sometimes you lose. None of that "everyone's a winner" crap. I remember playing a card game that required speed with this one girl, and she said "Can you slow down, because I can't go as fast as you, and it's not fair." And I said "If I slow down, you'll never learn to be faster." And within a few weeks, she was just as fast as I was and giving me a real challenge!
In our arts and crafts projects, sometimes there _is_ a wrong way to do it. If a kid is upset because he or she messed up, instead of lying and saying they did fine, we say "What part do you not like? Is there a way to fix it or make it work? What will you do differently next time?" I love getting to weave in these life-skills concepts into things like playing cards or making a paper plate mask. In arts and crafts, instead of telling them how to do a project, I usually start with showing the finished product, and asking them things like "What do you think the first step should be? What do you think the trickiest part is going to be?" Reverse engineering! Love it!!
Anyway, blah blah enough about work.
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JC Der Koenig - 29 Jun 2005 04:30 GMT >> >> >> > Haha, would you really like to know how much working with >> >> >> > children [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > > Anyway, blah blah enough about work. I can see that you're quite enthusiastic. Try to remember though, in the end, teaching is pretty much the same as factory work.
Luna - 29 Jun 2005 04:43 GMT > I can see that you're quite enthusiastic. Try to remember though, in the > end, teaching is pretty much the same as factory work. Is it? I mean, I can see the superficial resemblance, thinking of the kids as a product. But I was hoping there was room for creativity and innovation.
I've only been working with kids for little over a year now, but I've yet to find it dull. Frustrating and exhausting sometimes, yes, but not dull. And every time I get frustrated or exhausted, some kid will do something hilarious or sweet or brilliant and bring my smile right back.
During arts and crafts today, I overheard one kid say "What do I do now?" and a six year old girl said "You should have been listening! You need to pay attention!" Cracked me right up. I don't imagine doodads on an assembly line would ever make me laugh like that.
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JC Der Koenig - 29 Jun 2005 04:54 GMT >> I can see that you're quite enthusiastic. Try to remember though, in the >> end, teaching is pretty much the same as factory work. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > need to pay attention!" Cracked me right up. I don't imagine doodads > on an assembly line would ever make me laugh like that. Have you ever worked in a factory?
The Queen of Cans and Jars - 29 Jun 2005 06:16 GMT > >> I can see that you're quite enthusiastic. Try to remember though, in the > >> end, teaching is pretty much the same as factory work. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Have you ever worked in a factory? just wait until she finds out that junior high school kids are nothing like six year olds.
rich - 29 Jun 2005 09:37 GMT > just wait until she finds out that junior high school kids are nothing > like six year olds. Yup, much lower in maturity.
Rich (8th grade math)
JC Der Koenig - 29 Jun 2005 12:16 GMT >> >> I can see that you're quite enthusiastic. Try to remember though, in >> >> the [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > just wait until she finds out that junior high school kids are nothing > like six year olds. But they are like six year olds, just bigger and with hormonal problems.
;-)
Luna - 29 Jun 2005 16:23 GMT > > >> I can see that you're quite enthusiastic. Try to remember though, in the > > >> end, teaching is pretty much the same as factory work. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > just wait until she finds out that junior high school kids are nothing > like six year olds. The kids I work with at the after school program are ages 6 - 12, the ones at summer camp also include CIT's who are 13 - 16. And all kids, all people for that matter, are something like 6 year olds. The older ones think they're so tough and mature, until they get their feelings hurt or fall down and scrape their knees, or they get excited about a game and forget to act "cool." I like how they're old enough to start figuring things out about the world, but young enough to still be excited about figuring things out. And how all their emotions are so huge to them, what with hormones and all. As adults, sometimes we are quick to dismiss the feelings of the young as shallower than our own feelings, when I think they're really much deeper. The first time you get your heart broken, you don't have the experience of knowing you will heal, so as far as you're concerned you think you'll be that miserable forever. Everything feels bigger and more dramatic at that age, and since my most acute memories of childhood are from my pre-teen years, I'm usually pretty good at being empathic. What I have to watch out for is not sounding like a know-it all, being all "I know just how you feel, when I was a kid blah blah blah . . . " It's usually better just to listen and let them know you take them seriously as a human being with real feelings.
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Luna - 29 Jun 2005 15:57 GMT > >> I can see that you're quite enthusiastic. Try to remember though, in the > >> end, teaching is pretty much the same as factory work. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Have you ever worked in a factory? No. I've done work that felt factory-like though. Building props for shows where you have to make hundreds of the same things over and over, for days. I also worked on a set once that was a ship, and we had all these surfaces we had to cover with fake rivets. These little rubber balls cut in half. Then there was the event design company, doing flower arrangements in an assembly line. And a furniture company, with "genuine hand painted furniture" painting the same design over and over and over . . . . I'm guessing these experiences give me a taste for what factory work is like, but I could be wrong.
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Roger Zoul - 29 Jun 2005 11:18 GMT :> In article <FBowe.34915$J12.10483@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>, :> "JC Der Koenig" <jcderkoenig@ibm.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] :> the kids as a product. But I was hoping there was room for :> creativity and innovation. Some aspects of teaching are like factory work, others aren't. Teaching the same material semester after semester, year after year, can get boring. Seeing students make the same mistakes year after year gets boring. Etc. However, the students' peronsalities are fresh, and you can create some freshness by coming up with new projects, etc. And trying to teaching techniques, etc. I don't know how much flexibility there is in k12, though.
:> I've only been working with kids for little over a year now, but I've :> yet to find it dull. Frustrating and exhausting sometimes, yes, but [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] :> -- :> http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick dr_ernie_primeau@yahoo.ca - 29 Jun 2005 13:56 GMT > :> In article <FBowe.34915$J12.10483@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>, > :> "JC Der Koenig" <jcderkoenig@ibm.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Some aspects of teaching are like factory work, others aren't. I know very little about the formal aspects of teaching grade schoolers, but unless you work for a private, charter, or alternative school, I would bet overwhelmingly that being a public school teacher is just like toiling at an assembly line.
Thats less the fault of the teachers than it is the system they work for.
> Teaching the > same material semester after semester, year after year, can get boring. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > :> -- > :> http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick Roger Zoul - 29 Jun 2005 15:00 GMT :: Roger Zoul wrote: ::: Luna <lunachick@NOSPAMmindspring.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] :: school, I would bet overwhelmingly that being a public school teacher :: is just like toiling at an assembly line. That may very well be true.
:: Thats less the fault of the teachers than it is the system they work :: for. Yes, they do seem to be very rigid in what must be done in the classroom.
::: Teaching the ::: same material semester after semester, year after year, can get [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] ::::: -- ::::: http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick JC Der Koenig - 29 Jun 2005 15:20 GMT > :: Roger Zoul wrote: > ::: Luna <lunachick@NOSPAMmindspring.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Yes, they do seem to be very rigid in what must be done in the classroom. A lot depends on the School Board, the Superintendent, and the Principal. Sometimes there is a good degree of latitude, and sometimes there is extreme micromanagement. It seems that the more they get wrapped up in standarized scores, or the lack of achievement as far as the percentage of students passing standardized tests, the more likely that they'll tend toward micromanagement.
Roger Zoul - 29 Jun 2005 15:30 GMT ::: dr_ernie_primeau@yahoo.ca wrote: ::::: Roger Zoul wrote: [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] :: standardized tests, the more likely that they'll tend toward :: micromanagement. Makes sense. Good to know that sometimes there is latitude, too.
Jim Bard - 30 Jun 2005 01:31 GMT >> :: Roger Zoul wrote: >> ::: Luna <lunachick@NOSPAMmindspring.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > students passing standardized tests, the more likely that they'll tend > toward micromanagement. JC, you have been a lot of things in this newsgroup. You have pissed some off, and caused others to smile.
I have never, never known you to post without knowing what you are talking about. Others might not understand or agree with how you say it, but you tell the truth.
As a good teacher.
Bob (this one) - 30 Jun 2005 02:04 GMT > JC, you have been a lot of things in this newsgroup. You have pissed some > off, and caused others to smile. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > As a good teacher. Pshaw. I heard he's a commie.
Pastorio (and don't put his name in the header)
JC Der Koenig - 30 Jun 2005 03:08 GMT > Pshaw. You're dating yourself.
Bob (this one) - 30 Jun 2005 06:33 GMT >>Pshaw. > > You're dating yourself. I only did that until I needed glasses.
Pastorio
JC Der Koenig - 30 Jun 2005 03:08 GMT >>> :: Roger Zoul wrote: >>> ::: Luna <lunachick@NOSPAMmindspring.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > about. Others might not understand or agree with how you say it, but you > tell the truth. Perhaps, but telling people to kill themselves probably isn't all that helpful. I figure everyone is entitled to a flaw here and there.
Jim Bard - 30 Jun 2005 03:44 GMT > Perhaps, but telling people to kill themselves probably isn't all that > helpful. I figure everyone is entitled to a flaw here and there. Sure, everyone is entitled to their personal flaw(s).
Too often, people want to be supported for their weaknesses. It's one thing to recognize that they are entitled to being human, it's another to enable them by providing support for what they already know is hurting them.
Eat less and exercise more! LOL! I wonder how Dr. Atkins would have responded to that!
I think he would have thrown his cloak in indignation, but in the long run agreed!
JC Der Koenig - 30 Jun 2005 04:10 GMT >> Perhaps, but telling people to kill themselves probably isn't all that >> helpful. I figure everyone is entitled to a flaw here and there. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > I think he would have thrown his cloak in indignation, but in the long run > agreed! JC Der Koenig - 30 Jun 2005 04:13 GMT >> Perhaps, but telling people to kill themselves probably isn't all that >> helpful. I figure everyone is entitled to a flaw here and there. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > enable them by providing support for what they already know is hurting > them. People have differing perspectives on how to recognize that they are entitled to be human, all too human.
Jim Bard - 30 Jun 2005 04:49 GMT That is the most human thing I have ever heard you say, JC. Thanks for providing your perspective.
Luna - 30 Jun 2005 04:11 GMT > >> :: Roger Zoul wrote: > >> ::: Luna <lunachick@NOSPAMmindspring.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > about. Others might not understand or agree with how you say it, but you > tell the truth. Except for when he thought there was a famous classic science fiction author named "Azimov." ;o)
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JC Der Koenig - 30 Jun 2005 04:20 GMT >> >> :: Roger Zoul wrote: >> >> ::: Luna <lunachick@NOSPAMmindspring.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > Except for when he thought there was a famous classic science fiction > author named "Azimov." ;o) That's the Russian spelling.
Luna - 30 Jun 2005 04:22 GMT > >> >> :: Roger Zoul wrote: > >> >> ::: Luna <lunachick@NOSPAMmindspring.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > > That's the Russian spelling. Mweh. That's the American spelling for "mweh." Asimov sucked anyway. Pohl and PKD blow him out of the water.
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JC Der Koenig - 30 Jun 2005 04:29 GMT >> >> >> :: Roger Zoul wrote: >> >> >> ::: Luna <lunachick@NOSPAMmindspring.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > Mweh. That's the American spelling for "mweh." Asimov sucked anyway. > Pohl and PKD blow him out of the water. You couldn't be more wrong, even without a time limit.
Luna - 30 Jun 2005 04:48 GMT > >> >> >> :: Roger Zoul wrote: > >> >> >> ::: Luna <lunachick@NOSPAMmindspring.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] > > You couldn't be more wrong, even without a time limit. I'm so totally right. Asimov had some really nifty ideas, with unfortunately little talent as a writer. His dialog is stilted and awkward, his characters are one-dimensional props who exist solely for the purpose of advancing the plot. I can get how a math teacher would appreciate him, especially the robot stories, which were basically logic problems disguised as stories. Cute, enjoyable, but lacking in depth and verisimilitude. The Foundation books read like history text books, with the people acting like we imagine historical characters acted, all full of pomp and rhetoric and big, important speeches, but you can't really imagine them as actual human beings with flaws and foibles.
Simak did better robots, Heinlein did a better future history, Pohl did a deeper exploration of near-future technology peopled with well-rounded, believable characters, and PKD is just all around, hands down, the sh.t.
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JC Der Koenig - 30 Jun 2005 04:52 GMT >> >> >> >> :: Roger Zoul wrote: >> >> >> >> ::: Luna <lunachick@NOSPAMmindspring.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 87 lines] > well-rounded, believable characters, and PKD is just all around, hands > down, the sh.t. Hopefully you'll never become a literature teacher.
Luna - 30 Jun 2005 05:04 GMT > >> >> >> >> :: Roger Zoul wrote: > >> >> >> >> ::: Luna <lunachick@NOSPAMmindspring.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 89 lines] > > Hopefully you'll never become a literature teacher. I honestly doubt you've read as much science fiction as I have, so maybe you just haven't been exposed to enough of the good stuff to know how mediocre Asimov is.
Anyway, fortunately for both of us, literature is one of those areas where opinions do matter and there can be more than one right answer. I'm sure you could find lots of people who would get a lot more respect than either of us for their literary opinions, people who've published actual books on this stuff, who would agree with you. And, so could I.
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Luna - 30 Jun 2005 05:14 GMT > > >> >> >> >> :: Roger Zoul wrote: > > >> >> >> >> ::: Luna <lunachick@NOSPAMmindspring.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 103 lines] > than either of us for their literary opinions, people who've published > actual books on this stuff, who would agree with you. And, so could I. Oh, haha, this is funny. I wanted to see if I was alone in my opinion on Asimov, Foundation in particular, so I looked at some reviews on Amazon. Of course, these are by just nobodies like me, but I read this page of one-star reviews and found that I am not alone!
http://tinyurl.com/b5m3b
Not that it makes me "right" or anything. It's just nice to know I'm not the only one who felt this way.
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Bob (this one) - 30 Jun 2005 06:35 GMT >>>>>>>>:: Roger Zoul wrote: >>>>>>>>::: Luna <lunachick@NOSPAMmindspring.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 77 lines] > well-rounded, believable characters, and PKD is just all around, hands > down, the sh.t. Oh, crap. I agree with her in every detail.
Uh-oh...
Pastorio
Jim Bard - 30 Jun 2005 04:50 GMT "Luna" <lunachick@NOSPAMmindspring.com> wrote in message news:lunachick-> Except for when he thought there was a famous classic science fiction
> author named "Azimov." ;o) I got away with that for at least a year or two. Please doln't tell on me!
Luna - 29 Jun 2005 16:09 GMT > > :> In article <FBowe.34915$J12.10483@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>, > > :> "JC Der Koenig" <jcderkoenig@ibm.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Thats less the fault of the teachers than it is the system they work > for. Huh. Is this new? Because I remember some of my elementary school teachers quite well, especially 4th through 8th grade, and some were boring and mean, and some were interesting, creative, and kind. Different teachers definitely taught in different ways. Some just read from the damn textbooks, some led interesting discussions and gave out creative assignments. I really don't think they had an exact script they had to follow, there was room for their personalities to show, room to be either creative or boring.
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JC Der Koenig - 29 Jun 2005 16:12 GMT >> > :> In article <FBowe.34915$J12.10483@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>, >> > :> "JC Der Koenig" <jcderkoenig@ibm.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > they had to follow, there was room for their personalities to show, room > to be either creative or boring. Just as factory workers can have fun with their jobs and some of them will be more productive than others.
nanner - 28 Jun 2005 15:51 GMT >> :> I'm not posting this as off topic because as far as I'm concerned >> :> exercise is on topic for this newsgroup, and this is about exercise [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > > Been there, done that. You know what my AA in theater qualifies me for? What did you do that for?
> Work-for-hire temporary jobs building scenery or making props. Even the > full-time props people at Atlanta's highest paying theater only make [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > pays at least a little more and would fulfill me? I'm really excited > about this, and I think I'd be good at it. go for it
>> Just some friendly advice from Uncle Roger :) > > More like unwanted, uninformed, patronizing nagging. Thanks, but no > thanks. Roger...did you forget that Luna knows everything?
Luna - 28 Jun 2005 16:06 GMT > >> :> I'm not posting this as off topic because as far as I'm concerned > >> :> exercise is on topic for this newsgroup, and this is about exercise [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > > What did you do that for? At the time, that was my passion. I started doing theater tech work in 8th grade, worked in the scene shop in college, loved every minute of it. When I got out in the real world, it was much different from what it had been in college. At my 2 year school, there was a lot of opportunity to do a lot of different things, but in the real world you're stuck doing the same thing over and over.
I had this one 5 week gig at the Alabama Shakespeare Festival. If you've ever been, you'll know it's a beautiful place, the grounds are a state park, the building looks like a castle, there's a lake, it's gorgeous. They put me up in an apartment on the grounds, payed me well, and the people were the nicest I'd ever met in that business. Everything was perfect. But I woke up one day and on my walk to work realized I just didn't want to do it any more. I actually had a period of mourning, because I'd wanted this life for so long, I didn't know who I was without that dream. I've just been drifting ever since. Now that I have a new dream, I'm so excited about being alive I can't even put it into words.
> > Work-for-hire temporary jobs building scenery or making props. Even the > > full-time props people at Atlanta's highest paying theater only make [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Roger...did you forget that Luna knows everything? Luna doesn't know everything! Luna just knows a bit more about Luna's life and what Luna wants than Roger does. Now, if I told Roger what to do with HIS life, then you could say it looks like I think I know everything.
Roger Zoul - 28 Jun 2005 16:27 GMT :: In article <Jtdwe.5739$2Z3.5432@fe10.lga>, :: "nanner" <nospam@nospam.nospam> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 104 lines] :: Luna doesn't know everything! Luna just knows a bit more about :: Luna's life and what Luna wants than Roger does. I certainly won't deny that you know more about your life than I do. However, I can't see a good reason why a person as intelligent as you are is making such slow progress figuring out what you want to do and doing it.
:: Now, if I told :: Roger what to do with HIS life, then you could say it looks like I :: think I know everything. You're welcome to tell me what to do with my life, after all, what goes around comes around and I'm happy to take what I give. I may not listen, but you never know....
Luna - 28 Jun 2005 16:49 GMT > :: Luna doesn't know everything! Luna just knows a bit more about > :: Luna's life and what Luna wants than Roger does. > > I certainly won't deny that you know more about your life than I do. > However, I can't see a good reason why a person as intelligent as you are is > making such slow progress figuring out what you want to do and doing it. Everyone works at their own pace. What's important to me is that I'm not stagnating, not how fast I go.
> :: Now, if I told > :: Roger what to do with HIS life, then you could say it looks like I [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > around comes around and I'm happy to take what I give. I may not listen, > but you never know.... Ok, here's what to do with your life. Stop telling other people what to do with theirs, unless they ask.
Roger Zoul - 28 Jun 2005 16:52 GMT :: In article <11c2r24hqcdhffa@news.supernews.com>, :: "Roger Zoul" <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] :: Ok, here's what to do with your life. Stop telling other people :: what to do with theirs, unless they ask. Thanks. I won't listen. :)
Roger Zoul - 28 Jun 2005 16:22 GMT :: In article <11c26v5clqeko72@news.supernews.com>, :: "Roger Zoul" <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] :: Haha, would you really like to know how much working with children :: challenges me and requires me to use my brain?
:) Kids can be challenging, no doubt!
:: Anyway, I'm applying :: for spring semester to get my B.A. and get certified to become a :: teacher. Good.
:: The challenge there is that I have to wait until I can get :: a day off to go down to the college, because they won't return my [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] :: hospital with a sliding scale, and that's the one I called for the :: free advice on whether I needed to come in. Still better to have medical insurance, Luna.
::: d) use that ::: degree you've got. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] :: scrape by in a career I don't have any passion for and which won't :: support me financially? Hmm...
:: Or get the education I need to become a :: teacher, which pays at least a little more and would fulfill me? :: I'm really excited about this, and I think I'd be good at it. I have no problem with that...but let's get the fire lit.....fan it a bit, throw some logs on that sucker, and get the damn fire red-hot!!!
::: Just some friendly advice from Uncle Roger :) :: :: More like unwanted, uninformed, patronizing nagging. That too. But in your case, perhaps some nagging is needed.
:: Thanks, but no :: thanks. Well, you know the story...this is usenet, baby!
nanner - 28 Jun 2005 16:41 GMT > :: In article <11c26v5clqeko72@news.supernews.com>, > :: "Roger Zoul" <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] > > Still better to have medical insurance, Luna. Yep, what if it had been broken? You got lucky Luna.
> ::: d) use that > ::: degree you've got. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Well, you know the story...this is usenet, baby! Luna - 28 Jun 2005 23:43 GMT > > :: In article <11c26v5clqeko72@news.supernews.com>, > > :: "Roger Zoul" <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] > > Yep, what if it had been broken? You got lucky Luna. If it had been broken, I'd have gone to a doctor. And "lucky" would have been not tripping down the stairs in the first place.
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Luna - 28 Jun 2005 16:47 GMT > ::: Just some friendly advice from Uncle Roger :) > :: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Well, you know the story...this is usenet, baby! Yes, it's usenet. It's anarchy. You can give out as much unsolicited irrelevant advice as you want. And I can tell you that if if your goal is to help, it doesn't. If your goal is to annoy, congrats! You win!
You will never be as good at nagging me as I am at nagging myself. It doesn't make me more productive, it just makes me like you less.
Do you do this to people you know irl too?
Roger's friend: Hey, Roger, do you have the time?
Roger: More importantly, have you finished cleaning out your garage yet? And when are you going to get that mole checked out? It's your wife's birthday tomorrow, you should get her a gift certificate to Pottery Barn. And did you get that mole checked out yet?
Roger's friend: Uh, never mind, I'll ask someone else.
Roger Zoul - 28 Jun 2005 16:55 GMT :: In article <11c2qoobaiekhed@news.supernews.com>, :: "Roger Zoul" <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] :: if if your goal is to help, it doesn't. If your goal is to annoy, :: congrats! You win! Ooh...I hit a nerve!
:: You will never be as good at nagging me as I am at nagging myself. Are you sure?
:: It doesn't make me more productive, it just makes me like you less. Well, you don't like me anyway, do you?
:: Do you do this to people you know irl too? Sometimes, it depends. If I really care about them, yes.
:: Roger's friend: Hey, Roger, do you have the time? :: :: Roger: More importantly, have you finished cleaning out your garage :: yet? Hmm....that's something I need to do!
:: And when are you going to get that mole checked out? It's your :: wife's birthday tomorrow, you should get her a gift certificate to :: Pottery Barn. And did you get that mole checked out yet? :: :: Roger's friend: Uh, never mind, I'll ask someone else.
:) Luna - 28 Jun 2005 23:42 GMT > :: In article <11c2qoobaiekhed@news.supernews.com>, > :: "Roger Zoul" <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Ooh...I hit a nerve! More like you got on them.
> :: You will never be as good at nagging me as I am at nagging myself. > > Are you sure? Well, you didn't call me a hopeless loser yet, nor did you cuss at me. And you left out a whole bunch of other stuff I need to get done, like clean my bedroom, get married, have kids, buy a better car, quit smoking, save for retirement, and get a haircut.
> :: It doesn't make me more productive, it just makes me like you less. > > Well, you don't like me anyway, do you? Fundamentally, I like you fine. You're a good person, you've got a good heart. But nagging annoys me and sometimes you misspell things to the extent that I don't know what you're talking about. But those things aren't so important as to whether I like a person or not.
> :: Do you do this to people you know irl too? > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > :)
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Roger Zoul - 29 Jun 2005 00:19 GMT :: In article <11c2snrpvs69le7@news.supernews.com>, :: "Roger Zoul" <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] :: those things aren't so important as to whether I like a person or :: not. Yeah, I know I let some bad typos through. I don't spend lots of time proofing...this is usenet, you know.
I know I shouldn't nag you, but....
::::: Do you do this to people you know irl too? ::: [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] :: -- :: http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick nanner - 28 Jun 2005 15:40 GMT > I'm not posting this as off topic because as far as I'm concerned > exercise is on topic for this newsgroup, and this is about exercise or [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > breaks from walking around and doing stuff at work, so I can sit and > elevate it and ice it if need be. Hi - sorry you still feel lousy. i didn't read your whole post so maybe you said this, but couldn't you go swimming?
Did you ever have it checked at the doctor? Is there any reason you wouldn't be allowed to swim?
Luna - 28 Jun 2005 15:51 GMT > > I'm not posting this as off topic because as far as I'm concerned > > exercise is on topic for this newsgroup, and this is about exercise or [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Did you ever have it checked at the doctor? No, I called the advice nurse, described it, went through a checklist of questions, and she said if it got worse to come in, otherwise continue treating it with ice and ibuprofen. It's getting better.
>Is there any reason you wouldn't > be allowed to swim? I tried it, (my turn to swim with the kids at camp) and the pressure from moving my foot through the water hurts. It's not as bad if I just drag it behind me, but I can't kick yet.
nanner - 28 Jun 2005 18:18 GMT > I'm not posting this as off topic because as far as I'm concerned > exercise is on topic for this newsgroup, and this is about exercise or [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > remember that the last step on the outside stairs is shorter than the > others so I won't misstep and f.ck up my foot again, lol. Totally unrelated....
How come you don't post your numbers anymore? or that link you used to have? are there any current pix? I always like seeing peoples prgoress pix and remember your from when i started...
Luna - 28 Jun 2005 23:29 GMT > > I'm not posting this as off topic because as far as I'm concerned > > exercise is on topic for this newsgroup, and this is about exercise or [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > How come you don't post your numbers anymore? I never posted my numbers before. I post on many newsgroups, didn't want to set up a separate id for this one so I could have numbers in my sig.
> or that link you used to have? > are there any current pix? I always like seeing peoples prgoress pix and > remember your from when i started... I just forgot to put my website in my new sig when I got my new computer. No current pics. I don't have a camera, and most of the pics I had before were ones my sister took with her digital camera, but she can't find the charger or the battery or something.
I went up from 150-ish to 165-170 when I quit smoking, now I'm slowly relosing it. Had some bouts of overeating that slowed me down, but now I'm back to around 160. So, I'm at the same weight I was in the bowling picture on my site.
nanner - 29 Jun 2005 01:31 GMT >> > I'm not posting this as off topic because as far as I'm concerned >> > exercise is on topic for this newsgroup, and this is about exercise or [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > I never posted my numbers before. my mistake
> I post on many newsgroups, didn't > want to set up a separate id for this one so I could have numbers in my [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > I went up from 150-ish to 165-170 when I quit smoking, now I'm slowly > relosing it. I thought you were gearing up to quit - I guess you quit then restarted?
>Had some bouts of overeating that slowed me down, but now > I'm back to around 160. So, I'm at the same weight I was in the bowling > picture on my site. I quit smoking and caffiene the same day I started LC - and only weeks after buying our first house starting a new job!! Boy - was that a wierd time!!
Luna - 29 Jun 2005 02:07 GMT > >> > I'm not posting this as off topic because as far as I'm concerned > >> > exercise is on topic for this newsgroup, and this is about exercise or [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > > I thought you were gearing up to quit - I guess you quit then restarted? I have quit and restarted many times. I'm reading Allen Carr's book right now, then I'll quit again, hopefully for the last time.
> >Had some bouts of overeating that slowed me down, but now > > I'm back to around 160. So, I'm at the same weight I was in the bowling > > picture on my site. > > I quit smoking and caffiene the same day I started LC - and only weeks after > buying our first house starting a new job!! Boy - was that a wierd time!! I bet. I've learned in the past that I have a breaking point when it comes to trying to do too much at once.
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