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karma.coma - 26 Jul 2005 08:25 GMT I just wanted to say hello to everybody here. I've been reading this group for more than a year now and it's been for me a source of much valuable information, support and - quite often - fun.
I'm Polish, a translator and my interest in low-carbing started when I was asked to translate a book on LC diet. And, somehow, as I was working on it, the ideas which I used to dismiss very easily, not knowing much on the subject at all, began to make perfect sense.
Before I gave it a go, I experimented on a slightly overweight colleague, who was happy to embrace the idea of "a new diet" and, after previous rather unsuccessful attempts at dieting, suddenly started to lose weight beautifully. That made me go: "Hm? This IS working, after all".
I'm overweight but not obese (79 kilos as of today, at 168 cm height). I first went on Atkins last year and lost 11 kilos, from 85 to 74, then went slack and gained 7 kilos back. Typical, I believe - and necessary to make one realise that this WOL works ONLY as long as you really stick to it. Heh. "Elementary, dear Watson".
Now I'm back to it - low carbing for the past month. Not too strictly (I wasn't counting my carbs or calories, just generally avoiding all sugars, flour and starches, occasionally allowing myself to have a glass of wine). I've lost only 2 kilos so far but already feel the "side effects" - have more energy, don't need so much sleep.
I haven't decided yet whether to take a "strict" approach, religiously counting carbs, or just do what I'm doing now anyway - not eating any bread, pasta, rice, sweets. I'll see what will work best. There is no need to hurry, is there, when you decide that high carb foods are not for you anyway.
That's all from me by way of introduction. I plan to stick around - this is a great group. AFAIK on Polish usenet there aren't any groups devoted exclusively to low-carbing. Not yet. So, on the "general dieting" groups there's much bickering between followers of LC diets and their opponents - too much of it to read comfortably, too little sensible advice. But LC diets are gaining more interest every day - Atkins, South Beach. So that may change with time.
:) Kredka
Cubit - 26 Jul 2005 14:41 GMT It was my understanding that, in Poland, "The Optimal Diet" is very big. I had read that over a million Poles are practicing it. Have you come across this?
> I just wanted to say hello to everybody here. I've been reading this > group for more than a year now and it's been for me a source of much [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > :) > Kredka karma.coma - 26 Jul 2005 15:34 GMT That's correct, "The Optimal Diet" is quite popular here. I wouldn't know if it really has so many followers, as it'd make 1 in every 36 Poles, or so, which seems an exaggeration, but it's a whole movement, with centers around the country where one can go to try out this approach, many clubs, 2 monthly magazines and quite a lot of Internet activity.
It's a low-carb, high-fat diet, and it is said to recommend less protein than Atkins diet, basically stating that the ratio of protein:fat:carbs (in grams) should be as 1.0:2.5-3.0:0.8 in the initial period, and later on you should lower the amount of protein. I don't want to try and get into details, not being an expert on this diet. Never appealed to me, actually. I was wondering myself why I never got interested in it (it would make sense: if we have our own, locally developed LC diet, why look up to sth that was invented on the other side of the globe), but then I realised it was simply not my age-group, not my social circle kind of thing. Which is not to say that I try to deny its merits.
Kredka
> It was my understanding that, in Poland, "The Optimal Diet" is very big. I > had read that over a million Poles are practicing it. Have you come across > this? Saffire - 26 Jul 2005 21:49 GMT *** This post originated in alt.support.diet.low-carb -- it's appearance in any other forum is deceptive and unauthorized. ***
> I just wanted to say hello to everybody here. I've been reading this > group for more than a year now and it's been for me a source of much > valuable information, support and - quite often - fun. Hi Kredka, welcome to group visibility! Your English is excellent (which is a very good thing considering your profession :-)
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karma.coma - 27 Jul 2005 06:44 GMT Hi, Saffire and thanks for the welcome. Your weekly tips are invaluable! Kredka (I'll go on learning this language until I die or get Alzheimer, it's a longterm commitment ;) )
> Hi Kredka, welcome to group visibility! Your English is excellent > (which is a very good thing considering your profession :-) Pat - 27 Jul 2005 03:38 GMT Welcome to the group! Don't forget--the emphasis isn't on just lowering carbs; it's on eating low glycemic carbs in the right amounts. It's adding fiber to your diet, too.
Pat in TX
karma.coma - 27 Jul 2005 07:13 GMT Hi Pat, thanks :)
I do pay attention to the glicemic index of foods. I eat salad, cucumbers, cauliflower, some string beans and bell peppers (how sweet they are when you use no sugar!), turn away from carrots, ignore corn and beans... It's just onions that give me trouble - I just happen to like it quite a lot. I try to eat as little of it as possible.
About fiber - flax seed is a good source of it (and of Omega3 fats) and I make a kind of "gomasio" with it - roast flax seed with salt (8 parts flax seed and 1 part salt) until it darkens slightly, then ground most of the seeds but leave some whole for crunchiness. I sprinkle that over soups and salads. If you want to lower your sodium intake, you can use it as a salt substitute. It tastes great. Just needs keeping in the fridge to stay fresh for longer than a week.
Kredka
> Welcome to the group! Don't forget--the emphasis isn't on just lowering > carbs; it's on eating low glycemic carbs in the right amounts. It's adding > fiber to your diet, too. > > Pat in TX Nicky - 29 Jul 2005 22:32 GMT > Hi Pat, thanks :) > > I do pay attention to the glicemic index of foods. I ...turn away from > carrots.... Kredka, have a look at the glycemic load as well as the index - carrots have a high GI, but a very low GL, because you'd have to eat an awful lot of them to have a significant impact on your blood sugar. Raw, that is - cooked are a different story.
> About fiber - flax seed is a good source of it (and of Omega3 fats) and I > make a kind of "gomasio" with it - roast flax seed with salt (8 parts flax > seed and 1 part salt) until it darkens slightly, then ground most of the > seeds but leave some whole for crunchiness. I sprinkle that over soups and > salads. Mmm! That sounds good! I might try that when I get bored with flaxseed porridge for breakfast : )
Nicky.
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karma.coma - 30 Jul 2005 09:39 GMT Nicky, thanks for your comment. You're right, of course. It's just that with my rather lighthearted attitude (not counting the carbs I eat every day), it might be only too easy to eat too many carbs, even those that don't influence blood sugar so much and, as a result, have no visible weightloss results. To be on the safe side, I try to follow the advice from "Atkins for Life" food ladder and eat only these vegs which were placed under "eat often" label (and also not all of them, as the ladder was designed rather for maintenance than for induction).
Besides, although it was no problem for me to give up milk (I don't intend to use it in my kitchen for some time yet), I love cottage cheese. I managed to avoid it for a whole month, but now I eat some of it every other day. It may be an oversimplification on my part, but I think along the way: stick to low GI and low GL vegs to make up for the larger than recommended amount of dairy foods.
Cheers, Kredka
> Kredka, have a look at the glycemic load as well as the index - carrots have > a high GI, but a very low GL, because you'd have to eat an awful lot of them > to have a significant impact on your blood sugar. Raw, that is - cooked are > a different story.
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