Weight Loss Forum / Low Carb / August 2005
GI diet suggestion
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Crystal - 29 Aug 2005 01:02 GMT to the person who suggested the G.I. Diet, my library has a copy and I put in a request for them to hold it for me so I can check it out
Roger Zoul - 29 Aug 2005 01:28 GMT :> to the person who suggested the G.I. Diet, my library has a copy and :> I put in a request for them to hold it for me so I can check it out I think that since you come this far with LC, you should stick to it. Switching now for no other reason than that you haven't lost any weight is not a good idea. You simply need to pay more attention to everything you're doing. If not, then you'll be starting on a new plan, having to learn that from ground zero, and fumbling around with it. You did some version of LC before, you can do it again now. Just hang tight.
Crystal - 29 Aug 2005 02:00 GMT > :> to the person who suggested the G.I. Diet, my library has a copy and > :> I put in a request for them to hold it for me so I can check it out [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > learn that from ground zero, and fumbling around with it. You did some > version of LC before, you can do it again now. Just hang tight. it sounds as those the GI is a form of low carb. no? no sugars, flours, etc
Kevin - 29 Aug 2005 10:29 GMT >> :> to the person who suggested the G.I. Diet, my library has a copy and >> :> I put in a request for them to hold it for me so I can check it out [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >it sounds as those the GI is a form of low carb. no? no sugars, flours, >etc Nope, it's not low-carb. There are carbs, but they're "good" carbs. No refined sugars, white flour, or processed high-carb foods. These foods are easily digested by your system and high levels of sugars are released into the bloodstream. According the author, if these sugars aren't burned off, they'll be stored as fat. Your primary fuel tends to be sugars instead of the fat you want to burn off. The "green light" foods that are part of the plan (whole wheat bread, good-carb foods) take time to be digested by your system, releasing sugars more slowly into your bloodstream. Less sugar means your body will need to use fat as fuel.
I think you need to find a diet that works for you. Atkins/LC is a proven way to lose weight, as is SB, the GI Diet, and others. Personally, I think GI is healthier than a high protein/fat diet. It's certainly easier to follow for me.
Here's what I'm having today (keep in mind I eat small portions):
Breakfast: bowl of All Bran cereal, Splenda and skim milk, 0 fat no added sugar yogurt (100g)
Snack: Orange bran muffin (recipe in the GI Diet book)
Lunch: 1/2 turkey breast sandwich with lettuce and mustard, sliced cucumbers and tomatoes, apple, water
Snack: probably al All Bran bar
Supper: Chicken stirfry on whole wheat penne pasta or brown rice (3/4 of a cereal bowl), strawberries, yogurt
Snack: 10 almonds
Eating in a bowl helps me control portion size, and I only have 1 helping/serving. I eat at the table instead of the television. This doesn't feel like dieting. I've lost the taste and desire for the chips, ice cream, cheeseburgers and fries, hot chicken sandwiches and candy bars that used to be staple foods for me. I'll still have them on "cheat meals", but even then I eat small portions and make wiser choices. For example, I love pizza, so a cheat meal would be ordering a 9" pizza with a whole wheat crust, lots of veggies and 1 meat ingredient, and splitting it with my wife. All of our cheat meals are eaten for lunch so we still have a good part of the day to burn it off.
We (my wife and I) eat varied, healthy and satisfying foods, and eat a little often. Last night while eating fajitas, my wife said, "this is so good! I can't believe this is diet food". Keep in mind that exercise is essential. 8.5 pounds lost in a week works for me. I know that weight loss will level off, but what a great start! I'm down a notch in my belt too.
Kevin
tunderbar@hotmail.com - 29 Aug 2005 16:49 GMT > >> :> to the person who suggested the G.I. Diet, my library has a copy and > >> :> I put in a request for them to hold it for me so I can check it out [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > > Kevin Sounds like a low-fat low-carb plan. Not very wise. You need the fats.
TC
pickle-head@hotmail.com - 29 Aug 2005 20:08 GMT TC's a great source of fats. Try him.
tunderbar@hotmail.com - 29 Aug 2005 21:30 GMT > TC's a great source of fats. > Try him. Are you going to add anything to the discussion or are you just going to follow me around like a rabid little dog? I'm flattered, but it would be interesting to see if you could show other behaviors other just than being a troll.
TC
pickle-head@hotmail.com - 30 Aug 2005 02:32 GMT Nope. Not rabid either, TC.
Kay - 30 Aug 2005 09:55 GMT > > :> to the person who suggested the G.I. Diet, my library has a copy and > > :> I put in a request for them to hold it for me so I can check it out [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > it sounds as those the GI is a form of low carb. no? no sugars, flours, > etc I recently read an Australian version of the GI Diet, which basicly gives the choice between protein meals or carb meals, but prescribes the minimum number of hours you must wait between switching between the two (5 hours after carbs before protein, 3 hours after protein before carbs). The protein meals are the same as meals I eat on Low Carb, consisting of protein, fat and low GI veg (also low carb). The carb meals are low GI carbs with low GI veg, but cannot include fat. Neither include added sugar or starches. On days when eating carb meals, fruit can be included as between meal snacks, but on protein days snacks are protein based.
Max Hollywood Harris - 29 Aug 2005 20:49 GMT > :> to the person who suggested the G.I. Diet, my library has a copy and > :> I put in a request for them to hold it for me so I can check it out [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > from ground zero, and fumbling around with it. You did some version of LC > before, you can do it again now. Just hang tight. As I recall from the previous thread of the OP, she hadn't actually invested in a book for any plan and had merely learned the diet from the website. Atkins with fat had worked for her, but now she was taking Doctor's advice, and keeping fat low (which in my experience is a recipe for unhappy times without carbs).
Since she has minimal investment in any particular plan, I think it is best for the OP to go, get a book out of the library (regardless of the plan) and commit to making it work. I think LC works best, but if GI is where she wants to be because she can square it with the doc, at least she's going to get a plan and hopefully stick to it.
It's very easy for people here to say, "Your doctor is stupid on this," but it's a tough sell, because few here have the years of school and practice that a real doc has. I am not saying that many doctors aren't backwards on this, but it is a tough sell when a bunch of uncredentialed strangers tell you to ignore your doctor.
Hollywood, whose friend, the doctor, was the one who recommended Atkins in the first place.
Roger Zoul - 29 Aug 2005 21:38 GMT :> Roger Zoul wrote: :>> Crystal <idontlikeemail@hotmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] :> doc, at least :> she's going to get a plan and hopefully stick to it. But she stuck to whatever version of low carb she was doing and lost weight successfully. And, as I recall, she stated that she enjoyed it.
:> It's very easy for people here to say, "Your doctor is stupid on :> this," It's not only easy, it's mostly very true, too.
:> but it's a tough sell, because few here have the years of school and :> practice that a real doc has. Years of school and practice at doing what? Helping patients lose weight or understanding & prescribing medications?
I am not saying that many doctors
:> aren't backwards on this, but it is a tough sell when a bunch of :> uncredentialed strangers tell you to ignore your doctor. A tough sell to whom? The OP? Well, the OP is obviously free to do as she pleases, but if she really believes that a doctor, who will spend perhaps 15 minutes talking with her per visit at most, then it's a sad day....
People really do need to start studying on their own and not putting their life totally within the hands of any person. Doctors are people too (meaning the are far from perfect) and few of them stay current on nutritional info...I would go as far as to say that most doctors are "uncredentialed strangers" to their patients as far as nutrition is concerned.
:> Hollywood, whose friend, the doctor, was the one who recommended :> Atkins :> in the first place. Max Hollywood Harris - 29 Aug 2005 22:17 GMT > But she stuck to whatever version of low carb she was doing and lost weight > successfully. And, as I recall, she stated that she enjoyed it. But was doing it very differently from the way she is today. When she lost the 30, she was eating more fat. She is now afraid of eating fat due to media induced "Culture of Fear" reinforced by her Doctor, who we can agree is probably not a weight loss specialist with a ton of experience in helping patients to lose weight.
> :> It's very easy for people here to say, "Your doctor is stupid on > :> this," > > It's not only easy, it's mostly very true, too. No argument here on that. Clearly, it is an area where there has been a sea change in thought over the past ten years, making a lot of docs out of date.
> :> but it's a tough sell, because few here have the years of school and > :> practice that a real doc has. > > Years of school and practice at doing what? Helping patients lose weight or > understanding & prescribing medications? My point is that a doctor is: 1- Someone who went to school for a while to learn about the body and the maintenance or repair of such 2- Someone you actually meet, face to face
A group of people on the interenet are largely not those. I'm not saying that the people on the internet are wrong when they suggest that so-and-so's doc is out of date, but that it's probably kind of hard for the recipient of that advice to swallow, considering the source. Especially someone relatively new to the group, who doesn't know the group members at all.
> I am not saying that many doctors > :> aren't backwards on this, but it is a tough sell when a bunch of [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > "uncredentialed strangers" to their patients as far as nutrition is > concerned. I would not contradict anything you have written. I definitely agree that people need to be active students of their health. But fact is, if you are not well, the general population would see a doctor. Not that the doctor is the person best qualified to help on this, but that the doctor has that veneer of knowledge that makes it not so easy to just say "My doctor is an idiot. I know because someone with the handle Roger Zoul or OmManiPadmeOmelet said so."
This isn't the only poster who has been told that their doc is a moron, and probably won't be the last. She probably also isn't the first to push back against that idea and probably won't be the last either. Just trying to shed a little light on why that is. No argument that your GP is probably not the person to help you lose weight (though you might wanna get your bloodwork done with one, because it's hard running the tri-glycerides test at home ;-)
Roger Zoul - 29 Aug 2005 22:53 GMT :> Roger Zoul wrote: :>> Max Hollywood Harris <harrism@wustl.edu> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 74 lines] :> wanna get your bloodwork done with one, because it's hard running the :> tri-glycerides test at home ;-) But Max, you have forgotton one important point: information is easy for anyone to come by. None need take my word nor OmManiPadmeOmelet (oh my!) word....just get on the net and read MD after MD and MD after MD (as many of us here have done)....Would you consider them "uncredentialed strangers"?
Max Hollywood Harris - 30 Aug 2005 01:45 GMT <mass deletia insanity>
> But Max, you have forgotton one important point: information is easy for > anyone to come by. None need take my word nor OmManiPadmeOmelet (oh my!) > word....just get on the net and read MD after MD and MD after MD (as many of > us here have done)....Would you consider them "uncredentialed strangers"? Coming to knowledge on one's own is the best way, imho. Definitely agree. OP should get a book for a diet she is willing to do, and use the tools available to research it. If that is Atkins, glory to the dearly departed doc. If it's GI, I wish her success as well. But whatever it is, it'd be best if she came to that knowledge through her own research. If the "Your doctor is denser than undercooked daikon on nutrition" crowd sparks that, so much the better.
Hollywood, who would never suggest anyone get less good information
Roger Zoul - 30 Aug 2005 01:51 GMT :> Roger Zoul wrote: :> <mass deletia insanity> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] :> :> Hollywood, who would never suggest anyone get less good information One can be lead down a path....guided...still doing one's own reading..and learning all the while. if left to one's own devices, one might just listen to the loudest (or closest) voice....
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