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Pat - 28 Oct 2005 15:51 GMT

I had a grueling ride yesterday. It was 54 miles which included 7 pretty
steep hills. To make matters worse, there was a one hour delay in the middle
of the ride. That "rest" resulted in severely angry muscles which
threatened to just stop working and leave me out there about 14 miles from
my car.

So, today, I get on the scales and find I have lost 2 pounds. Here's the
question, then:
is this "just" water weight or is it actual missing fat? I drank 3 liters of
water during the ride and a bunch afterward. Have y'all had this
experience? I am still tired today. I don't feel a need to drink a lot,
either. My watch is hanging upside down on my wrist, even!

Pat in TX

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Roger Zoul - 28 Oct 2005 17:26 GMT

:>I had a grueling ride yesterday. It was 54 miles which included 7
:> pretty steep hills.

Curious...what was the elevation gain?

To make matters worse, there was a one hour

:> delay in the middle of the ride. That "rest" resulted in severely
:> angry muscles which threatened to just stop working and leave me out
:> there about 14 miles from my car.

Curious....why would an hour rest make things worse? I mean, yeah, you'd go
through a cooling off period which would mean you'd have to warm up again,
so that's not optimal...Were you sore due to lots of climbing? If so, then
the stop might have been the reason you got home, period.

:> So, today, I get on the scales and find I have lost 2 pounds.
:> Here's the question, then:
:> is this "just" water weight or is it actual missing fat? I drank 3
:> liters of water during the ride and a bunch afterward.

Well, it's hard to believe that's all fat, honestly. Unless you did a
really tremendous amount of climbing, I don't think you could have burned 2
pounds of fat in 54 miles - no where near that, really. However, since
you're saying it was grueling, and since i know you generally ride on LC,
I'm wondering if you're finally reached a glycogen-depleted state on a ride.
Even though you drank a lot, once you deplete glycogen, your liver muscles
will no longer be holding water. That could translate into a weight drop on
the scales, depending. Of course, depending on how much you ate, you could
have dropped a few ounces.

Have y'all

:> had this experience? I am still tired today. I don't feel a need to
:> drink a lot, either. My watch is hanging upside down on my wrist,
:> even!

I've been in the bonked state on a ride lots of times...sometimes even on
purpose....it's never fun and if you're a long way from home it's almost
like a nightmare. That feeling of muscles not wanting to work has been a
telltale sign for me. Bonking will also drive blood glucose low, too, so
you could definitely feel tired the next day if you don't consume extra
carbs for recovery.

What was your nutrition like?

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Pat - 29 Oct 2005 14:17 GMT

::>I had a grueling ride yesterday. It was 54 miles which included 7
::> pretty steep hills.
:
: Curious...what was the elevation gain?

Right now, I don't know, but one of the guys has a GPS system and promised
to let me know next week. One of the hills supposedly has a 12% grade and
one 10% grade. I'll find out more. I rode one hill 4 times and the other 3
times. On the way back, I figured I used about 90% of my remaining energy to
go up the last hill and I didn't think I could do it a second time. You know
what, though? It is true that the second time up the same hill is easier.

: To make matters worse, there was a one hour
::> delay in the middle of the ride. That "rest" resulted in severely
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: so that's not optimal...Were you sore due to lots of climbing? If so, then
: the stop might have been the reason you got home, period.

For one thing, it made my brain say to me: "Okay, we're through. That's
enough." I wasn't sore, but my quads and glutes were tired. Psychologically,
it was tough, thinking about the hills on the way back. It took a while to
get warmed up again because of the burning fatigue feeling in my legs.

::> So, today, I get on the scales and find I have lost 2 pounds.
::> Here's the question, then:
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: the scales, depending. Of course, depending on how much you ate, you could
: have dropped a few ounces.

I weighed myself today and have only "gained" back 10 ounces. So, some of it
was water weight. But, what I think about that is, I must have had stored
water for the stored carbs in my system. I don't think I was glycogen
depleted because it was mainly my legs that were tired. No cramping, though.

: I've been in the bonked state on a ride lots of times...sometimes even on
: purpose....it's never fun and if you're a long way from home it's almost
: like a nightmare. That feeling of muscles not wanting to work has been a
: telltale sign for me. Bonking will also drive blood glucose low, too, so
: you could definitely feel tired the next day if you don't consume extra
: carbs for recovery.

The next day, I swam a mile and walked 4 laps in the pool to loosen my legs.
I felt tired at the start of the swim, but it loosened up greatly after the
2nd lap. But, tell me, when you bonked, what was your mental state? I am
interested in the mind games our brains play on us when we are fatigued.

: What was your nutrition like?

I ate 2 soft-boiled eggs, 3 slices of bacon, and 2 slices of low-carb bread
for breakfast, but that was at 6:30 and the ride ended at 2 p.m. It's a good
thing I keep a can of roasted almonds in the car--I was hungry enough to eat
the seat covers! It was my bad for forgetting to bring anything to eat, but
then, I thought we were only going about 40 miles, too. I had 3 liters of
water on the ride and one more in the trunk of the car, and kept drinking to
try and quiet the hunger pains. I guess I am recovered fully by now. But, I
can't ride today--gotta go help somebody move out of their apartment. Oh
well---upper body work, eh?

Pat in TX

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JC Der Koenig - 29 Oct 2005 02:07 GMT

Basically you're just a pussy.

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>I had a grueling ride yesterday. It was 54 miles which included 7 pretty
> steep hills. To make matters worse, there was a one hour delay in the
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> Pat in TX

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Bob (this one) - 29 Oct 2005 04:25 GMT

> Basically you're just a pussy.

I have such a difficult time following your rationale when you use all
those technical terms.

No, seriously...

Pastorio

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Secret Squirrel - 29 Oct 2005 06:16 GMT

On 29/10/05 11:07 AM, in article
EXz8f.10487$Zv5.8956@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net, "JC Der Koenig"
<jcderkoenig@ibm.com> wrote:

> Basically you're just a pussy.

Well that puts him ahead of you. About two inches ahead I'd guess.

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JC Der Koenig - 29 Oct 2005 13:07 GMT

I wouldn't let him give me head... even with your mouth.

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> On 29/10/05 11:07 AM, in article
> EXz8f.10487$Zv5.8956@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net, "JC Der Koenig"
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> SS

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