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ClabberHead 5.0 - 27 Nov 2005 01:38 GMT
I remeber a while back people talking about liquid splenda.  It was called
Sweetzfreez or something like that.  Is it still available, and where can I
get some?  Anyone know?
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FOB - 27 Nov 2005 02:35 GMT
www.sweetzfree.com

There are windows of opportunity for ordering it.

I remeber a while back people talking about liquid splenda.  It was called
Sweetzfreez or something like that.  Is it still available, and where can I
get some?  Anyone know?
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ClabberHead 5.0 - 27 Nov 2005 03:20 GMT
> www.sweetzfree.com
>
> There are windows of opportunity for ordering it.

Thanks!!!
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OmManiPadmeOmelet - 27 Nov 2005 12:15 GMT
> www.sweetzfree.com
>
> There are windows of opportunity for ordering it.

I've given up on it. :-P

I can never, ever hit the window!

Is there ANY other source???

This makes NO sense! If there is such a demand for it,
why is there not more avaialable?????
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Roger Zoul - 27 Nov 2005 15:10 GMT
>> www.sweetzfree.com
>>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> I can never, ever hit the window!

Why? I bought some on the 10th of this month and the window as open for a
good while.  You simply have to plan for it.

> Is there ANY other source???
>
> This makes NO sense! If there is such a demand for it,
> why is there not more avaialable?????

The company that makes Splenda doesn't want it sold to the public in liquid
form.  Apparently, that cuts into their profit margins in a way that they
don't like.

I'm not sure there is "such a demand for it" though.  I suspect it's mostly
LCers who are real strict with carbs.

Also, the person who sells the liquid stuff "gray market" can only get
limited supply, so her scheme is designed to give everyone a chance to get
some.  You simply have to plan better, Om. The windows happen at various
times, so you ought to be able to get it.  Have your browser open to the
page before the window opens and make your purchase rapidly. Buy enough to
last for a while, too.
OmManiPadmeOmelet - 27 Nov 2005 16:32 GMT
> >> www.sweetzfree.com
> >>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Why? I bought some on the 10th of this month and the window as open for a
> good while.  You simply have to plan for it.

It never coincides with my lousy work schedule. :-P
I'm very busy these days.

Wanna sell me some? :-)

I'll give you 15% over market value, plus postage!

> > Is there ANY other source???
> >
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> form.  Apparently, that cuts into their profit margins in a way that they
> don't like.

If they had any brains, they'd sell it themselves.

> I'm not sure there is "such a demand for it" though.  I suspect it's mostly
> LCers who are real strict with carbs.

Once the word got out...

> Also, the person who sells the liquid stuff "gray market" can only get
> limited supply, so her scheme is designed to give everyone a chance to get
> some.  You simply have to plan better, Om. The windows happen at various
> times, so you ought to be able to get it.  Have your browser open to the
> page before the window opens and make your purchase rapidly. Buy enough to
> last for a while, too.

That's what I'd do.
I wish she would just sit back and take advance orders. :-(
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trader4@optonline.net - 27 Nov 2005 16:43 GMT
Why it's not offered as a liquid is a real mystery.  Since other low
cal sweetner's are available in that form, it's obvious there is a
demand for it.  I'd certainly prefer it that way, even to put in my
coffee, because it's more convenient.  I guess at the moment a good
reason for not offering it is they can't supply enough to the existing
market.
christopher.a.dowling@gmail.com - 27 Nov 2005 18:34 GMT
Nah- even before demand for sucralose took off and outstripped
manufacturing capabilities of the one licensed plant (in Alabama, BTW)
Tate and Lyle and McNeil still prohibited distribution of a non-caloric
form of the stuff.
Roger Zoul - 27 Nov 2005 20:48 GMT
> Nah- even before demand for sucralose took off and outstripped
> manufacturing capabilities of the one licensed plant (in Alabama, BTW)
> Tate and Lyle and McNeil still prohibited distribution of a non-caloric
> form of the stuff.

Someone offered a plausible reason in here once....IIRC.
trader4@optonline.net - 27 Nov 2005 22:27 GMT
"Nah- even before demand for sucralose took off and outstripped
manufacturing capabilities of the one licensed plant (in Alabama, BTW)
Tate and Lyle and McNeil still prohibited distribution of a non-caloric

form of the stuff. "

So, what else is new?
Cubit - 27 Nov 2005 20:42 GMT
IMHO

I think what is going on here is that the manufacturer exaggerates the
sweetness claims of their product at the tiny dosages they sell.  To hide
this they only sell it with sugar added (Maltodextrin).  Two different
sweeteners mixed have a synergy making them quite a bit sweeter than either
used alone.  Their current sugar marketing strategy works, so they oppose
anything else.

I like to mix liquid Splenda with saccharine.  Liquid saccharine is much
cheaper, but can only be used up to a concentration where some people
perceive it as bitter.  Some foods, like a mix of coffee and unsweetened
cocoa, are quite bitter and require a lot of sweetening.

I still have two bottles of the 8 ounce kind that lowcarber used to sell.  I
had bought a supply projecting that my diet would take until March of 2006.

> Why it's not offered as a liquid is a real mystery.  Since other low
> cal sweetner's are available in that form, it's obvious there is a
> demand for it.  I'd certainly prefer it that way, even to put in my
> coffee, because it's more convenient.  I guess at the moment a good
> reason for not offering it is they can't supply enough to the existing
> market.
Roger Zoul - 27 Nov 2005 20:44 GMT
>> >> www.sweetzfree.com
>> >>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> I'll give you 15% over market value, plus postage!

I'll be glad to help you if you just cover postage. Just contact me off
line.

The next window is Dec 7 at 9 am. That should work well for me unless
something unexpected comes up.

>> > Is there ANY other source???
>> >
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
> That's what I'd do.
> I wish she would just sit back and take advance orders. :-(
OmManiPadmeOmelet - 28 Nov 2005 00:40 GMT
> > It never coincides with my lousy work schedule. :-P
> > I'm very busy these days.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> The next window is Dec 7 at 9 am. That should work well for me unless
> something unexpected comes up.

E-mailed off line, thanks! :-)
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Roger Zoul - 30 Nov 2005 17:49 GMT
:> In article <11ok6mmkb0r7e72@news.supernews.com>,
:> "Roger Zoul" <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
:>
:> E-mailed off line, thanks! :-)

I'm just letting you know that I didn't receive an e-mail.
Rogerzoul2@hotmail.com should work.
Doug Freyburger - 29 Nov 2005 16:32 GMT
> >> www.sweetzfree.com
> >> There are windows of opportunity for ordering it.
>
> > Is there ANY other source???
> > This makes NO sense! If there is such a demand for it,
> > why is there not more avaialable?????

Cubit mentioned mixing splenda with liquid saccharine.  Clearly
there is a demand for it, but the patent holder choses to only
sell the liquid form in bulk to factories.  They get to make such
choices for the life of the patent, and as consumers we get to
remember such choices and act accordingly when the patent
expires.

Every so often someone sells the concentrated liquid.  Their
supply is quickly pulled and they go out of business but the fact
that their product sells well shows there is a demand for it.

A theory - The liquid form is so strong they are afraid that
someone will use a teaspoon, freak out, and sue them.  Why it
is such a weak theory - Mandate that the liquid form be sold
diluted like Sweetfree and the problem is handled.

> The company that makes Splenda doesn't want it sold to the public in liquid
> form.  Apparently, that cuts into their profit margins in a way that they
> don't like.

You know what else cuts into their profit margins - Consumers
with memories.  Patents only last just so long.  The day the
patent expires legal knock-offs will appear on the market.  From
that point on I intend to favor alternate manufacturers whenever
possible.  They better get their money from me now because
the money won't flow as soon as their patent mandated
monopoly goes away.

> I'm not sure there is "such a demand for it" though.  I suspect it's mostly
> LCers who are real strict with carbs.

The fact that suppliers keep popping up, offering the liquid
until their supply gets pulled and then disappearing again
suggests there is a market.
Roger Zoul - 29 Nov 2005 16:39 GMT
:: Roger Zoul wrote:
::: OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 41 lines]
:: until their supply gets pulled and then disappearing again
:: suggests there is a market.

Oh sure there is a market - I buy it myself. But is there "such a demand" as
to make it worth their while, is the question from their POV.
jbuch - 29 Nov 2005 19:35 GMT
>>>>www.sweetzfree.com
>>>>There are windows of opportunity for ordering it.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> remember such choices and act accordingly when the patent
> expires.

The patent on the FORMULA of chlorinated sucrose has expired. There are
surviving patents on the method of production, however. If you have an
alternative method of production, you can sell the chemical, but you
can't call it Sucralose.... which is trademarked.

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       http://www.forbes.com/global/2005/0110/020_print.html

On The Cover/Top Stories , FORBES MAGAZINE
Sweet Stuff
Michael Freedman, 01.10.05

..

In 2004 the company paid $100 million to settle the price-fixing charges
at A.E. Staley. But Ferguson still must contend with structural
troubles, particularly in the commodities side of its business. Charles
Mills, an analyst at Credit Suisse First Boston, notes that the maturing
of the U.S. soft drink industry points to a long-term decline in demand
for high-fructose corn syrup, still 7% of the global sweetener market.
Changes in the EU's sugar regime, including cuts in price supports and
quotas, could cut Tate & Lyle profits by $75 million over the next four
to five years.

Meanwhile, the company's Splenda product patent has already expired,
Mills says, leaving only the production patent in effect. "At some
stage," he observes, "a threat to sucralose's patent is inevitable,"
because generic manufacturers can find alternative production processes.

> Every so often someone sells the concentrated liquid.  Their
> supply is quickly pulled and they go out of business but the fact
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> until their supply gets pulled and then disappearing again
> suggests there is a market.
Cubit - 30 Nov 2005 19:40 GMT
Any idea when the method of production patents expire?

> >>>>www.sweetzfree.com
> >>>>There are windows of opportunity for ordering it.
[quoted text clipped - 67 lines]
> > until their supply gets pulled and then disappearing again
> > suggests there is a market.
jbuch - 01 Dec 2005 12:16 GMT
> Any idea when the method of production patents expire?

No.  If you look at http://www.uspto.gov and search for the manufacturer
(or maybe searching for "sucralose" alternatively) you will get the
patents they own, and the expiration dates too.

News article just say "a few years" and then there might be clones of
the product.
Brett - 08 Dec 2005 01:38 GMT
> I remeber a while back people talking about liquid splenda.  It was
> called Sweetzfreez or something like that.  Is it still available, and
> where can I get some?  Anyone know?

In the Winnebago glove box next to the liquid Schwartz.  Ask Barf for it.

bed
c - 08 Dec 2005 03:28 GMT
> > I remeber a while back people talking about liquid splenda.  It was
> > called Sweetzfreez or something like that.  Is it still available, and
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> bed

ROFL
moreofless - 29 Dec 2005 00:31 GMT
The Sweetzfree does not work!
moreofless - 29 Dec 2005 00:32 GMT
The Sweetzfree website does not work!
 
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