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Weight Loss Forum / Low Carb / December 2005some questions??
Hi, I follow low carb and feel great and am happy. Now here is my question, my brother in law who I just saw at Christmas, has been on the Raw Foods Diet. He eats no meat. I was very interested in his diet so I looked up some info and basically it seems to me to be vegatarian organic type diet with a lot of raw fruit and veggies. They say this a healthy diet. What is your opinion of this diet compared to a low carb diet??? What to you think is healthier and better. I can tell you my brother in law looked skinny pale and sick to me but he says he feels great. Well, the fact that most of the posters here are following a low carb way of eating should indicate that we think it is the healthiest way to eat. I don't see how people on his type of diet can get sufficient protein. In news:1135729448.607365.197400@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, catskills@monmouth.com <catskills@monmouth.com> stated | Hi, I follow low carb and feel great and am happy. Now here is my | question, my brother in law who I just saw at Christmas, has been on [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] | better. I can tell you my brother in law looked skinny pale and sick | to me but he says he feels great. They can, but it takes quite a bit of careful planning. People are quite adaptable and can live off a variety of diets, I just think low-carb is healthiest because it's pretty easy to get most of the nutrients we need. No matter what diet a person follows, most likely they're not going to be 100% perfect all the time, so like, on low-carb, let's say for a few days you don't eat as many vegetables as you should, you're probably not going to faint or anything, you just might get a little backed up. But on raw food vegan diets, if you're not vigilant about your protein, you can feel some intense effects pretty quickly. > Well, the fact that most of the posters here are following a low carb way of > eating should indicate that we think it is the healthiest way to eat. I [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > | better. I can tell you my brother in law looked skinny pale and sick > | to me but he says he feels great. thanks, by the way luna you look great!!! This is generally off topic for a low-carb newsgroup, but the question was asked... so... Raw food diets are greatly misunderstood. I've been raw now for 7 months, and have never felt better in my life. It's a very cleansing, detoxing diet and sets the body to its natural state. There are now several raw food retreats in north America, where people have gone to seek healing from fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue, and other disorders. If you look at http://www.alissacohen.com and see pictures of the muscular Alissa Cohen, who shows that raw food is not about malnourishment and starvation. As well, the well toned, muscular Storm "Nutman" Talifero on http://www.thegardendiet.com - he's been raw for over 30 years. His wife and family are raised raw, and they are producing a film that will be in theatres all about the raw lifestyle. Over the past few months I've watched Carlene Jones's transformation, and she now has a website http://www.ibeatobesity.com and teaches others. From a Christian viewpoint www.thehallelujahdiet.com (I think that's the link) has been around for years. It's high-raw to 100% Like I said, it's off-topic for a low-carb group (sort of), but I thought I'd supply the above links for first-hand info, and people can see that it is a valid diet, high in nutrition. || This is generally off topic for a low-carb newsgroup, but the || question was asked... so... || || Raw food diets are greatly misunderstood. I've been raw now || for 7 months, and have never felt better in my life. It's a very || cleansing, detoxing diet and sets the body to its natural state. What do you mean by "detoxing" and "sets the body to its natural state?" (Enqiring minds want to know). It sounds like a new-age philosophy rather than a science. -- but I'm open to new ideas if you can explain the science. It's just that it sounds suspiciously like the "colon-cleansing" thing that was promoted almost fanatically a few years ago as a boon to health -- which turned out to be pure nonsense.  SignaturePeter > || This is generally off topic for a low-carb newsgroup, but the > || question was asked... so... [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > What do you mean by "detoxing" and "sets the body to its natural state?" > (Enqiring minds want to know). Similar to the "detox" that is felt when one first enters a low-carb diet (which I've heard described on this group). There are a lot of articles which address how the human body is supposed to be in its natural state, i.e. self-healing and resistant to disease, on http://www.rawschool.com/philosophy.htm that explains it better than I can and is less redundant. This woman, like myself, is also opposed to colonics and all that garbage. I don't, however have as extreme a diet as this woman. > It sounds like a new-age philosophy rather than a science. -- but I'm > open to new ideas if you can explain the science. Well, I have heard people on this group who have gone low-carb (including myself), describe their taste buds as being "reset" when they wean themselves off sugary foods, and that all kinds of foods taste new to them. That's one aspect of the body. This has happened with me. I used to get colds, headaches, and flu rather easily, and now I don't. The websites I pointed to do have a lot of valuable information about raw diets, both scientific and firsthand. My belief however is that the human body is not meant to be an unending host for all kinds of active diseases. I'm not into new-agey type mantras, I just feel better, and it's winter and I've not had a cold or the flu like I usually do (I had no flu shot either). If you are indeed genuinely curious, I have supplied a great deal of websites with articles from people who have "been there" longer than I have. Here is one more: http://www.rawfamily.com I've seen how low-carb diets get a lot of bad press and false reports (e.g. couple who goes into a buffet and eats only a zillion slabs of beef claiming they are "On Atkins", girl dying of "Atkins diet" who ate only meat for a year or something... ) and unfortunately raw diets have received a lot of the same. Eating un-altered food (as much as can be considered "unaltered") in this day and age is rather strange and unconventional, and I don't expect everyone to understand or agree. It's not mainstream. thanks for all the great sites, however I am still confused to this way of eating. I guess my question is, how is this way of eating better than a low carb way of eating??? I mean this raw food diets claims optimum and great health and all these people say they feel great so how dio you know which is actually better??? I guess I need to read these sites more. Thanks > thanks for all the great sites, however I am still confused to this way > of eating. I guess my question is, how is this way of eating better > than a low carb way of eating??? I mean this raw food diets claims > optimum and great health and all these people say they feel great so > how dio you know which is actually better??? I guess I need to read > these sites more. Thanks What I did was a 30-day experiment (which the website http://www.alissacohen.com recommends) of eating ONLY raw foods, 100%, no "a little of this or that", freely and abundantly, and then decided from there if I wanted to keep going. I did. I'm not saying "raw is better than low-carb", because for many here, low-carb (Atkins for example) is a very sensible diet. I believe it's one of the more acceptable of the mainstream diets due to the fact that it supports real-food eating. There is no such thing as one size fits all, even among raw fooders you'll find differing opinions on what is best. Its similar in some respects to a paleo-type diet, you can eat anything and everything as long as it's preferable to the taste buds and digestive system in it's raw state. When available and affordable, I eat organic produce. There are some raw-foodists who eat meat as well (like Carol Alt describes in her book) although I don't. But you can do digging about and find out what is best for you. It's a lifelong journey, Do a bit of digging about, experiment on yourself, as only you know your own body. regards, CM > thanks for all the great sites, however I am still confused to this way > of eating. I guess my question is, how is this way of eating better > than a low carb way of eating??? I mean this raw food diets claims > optimum and great health and all these people say they feel great so > how dio you know which is actually better??? I guess I need to read > these sites more. Thanks If an ancient diet such as "paleolithic" is somehow "natural"... Then going back to the time before humans leaned to use fire and cook meat and veggies would be even more natural.... Can I say Naturaler...? One can conjecture that man and woman did not evolve with all that much fire in the food preparation of the diet. Therefore, cooked food is "unnatural". You will therefore be healthier if you eat raw food, at least veggies. Signature1) Eat Till SATISFIED, Not STUFFED... Atkins repeated 9 times in the book 2) Exercise: It's Non-Negotiable..... Chapter 22 title, Atkins book 3) Don't Diet Without Supplimental Nutrients... Chapter 23 title, Atkins book 4) A sensible eating plan, and follow it. (Atkins, Self Made or Other) >> thanks for all the great sites, however I am still confused to this way >> of eating. I guess my question is, how is this way of eating better [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Then going back to the time before humans leaned to use fire and cook meat > and veggies would be even more natural.... Veggies are natural? Do you have any idea how much genetic engineering and breeding have played in nearly every type of fruit and vegetable we have? You think wild apples and cherries are as sweet as farmed ones are? Unless you live out in the middle of nowhere and eat 100% wilderness found food, you are not eating what man found on his dinner plate thousands of years ago. Joe - You missed the sarcasm in what I wrote <sarcasm On> Another odd diet - another base of influence and power, and maybe even a little cold hard cash income. </Sarcasm OFF> I also read "Guns, Germs and Steel" which talks about the great time and effort that often goes into domesticating a food. So, the "RAW" diet, for maximum evolutionary effect, should be foods gathered by hand in the wild, and eaten raw.... Oh, the sarcasm was on for that last sentence. Jim >>>thanks for all the great sites, however I am still confused to this way >>>of eating. I guess my question is, how is this way of eating better [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > food, you are not eating what man found on his dinner plate thousands of > years ago. Signature1) Eat Till SATISFIED, Not STUFFED... Atkins repeated 9 times in the book 2) Exercise: It's Non-Negotiable..... Chapter 22 title, Atkins book 3) Don't Diet Without Supplimental Nutrients... Chapter 23 title, Atkins book 4) A sensible eating plan, and follow it. (Atkins, Self Made or Other) wow some great thinking here!!! Well I got my answer from Doug, yes I am happy and not hungry!! You people are terriffic!!! I find the facts here so great I wish I had your brains some of you! Right on Doug. Maralyn > If an ancient diet such as "paleolithic" is somehow "natural"... That's the speculation. Lacking the ability to put humans on forced diets their entire lives and do statistical counts on the lifespan data, speculation is all we'll be able to have at this point. > Then going back to the time before humans leaned to use fire and cook > meat and veggies would be even more natural.... [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > fire in the food preparation of the diet. Therefore, cooked food is > "unnatural". There's an evolutionary principle that once a species has eaten a diet for 5 million years it has evolved so that's its ideal diet. Five million years ago human ancestors were freshly out of the forests switching from 90% fruit to a mix of root veggies and flesh. The human diet has *not* held steady for that long so we have not evolved an ideal diet. Consider that fire has been in use about 1-2 miliion years. That is long enough for plenty of evolution to happen. But grain has been in use for 10-20 thousand years and that is so short grain still causes diabetes in human populations. > You will therefore be healthier if you eat raw food, at least veggies. Phrased that way it works very well. Consider the paleo principle - If you can get it with no technology more advanced than a sharp stick and if you can eat it raw with no ill effects, go ahead and eat it. But since our ancestors had fire the entire length of the stone age, feel free to eat it raw or cook it. Stuff cooking does - cooked meat spoils slower than raw, cooked roots have more digestible starch and less fiber than raw, cooked food is ofter than raw so people with bad teeth can eat it better, cooking food kills parasites so even food that started somewhat spoiled while raw is edible cooked, cooking can trash vitamins, roasting can't leech minerals but boiling can, excess cooking can increase cancinogens while excess rawness can mean a plant food still toxic. A lot of cooked stuff tastes better but most raw stuff tastes fine. No such thing as raw canned food so forget the raw stuff if you're in Antarctica. I could probably think of a lot more differences ... Thanks, crafting mom, I find reading these site interesting. I am following low carb and really feel great , but I am interested in learning this diet. This topic is very interesting. I honestly think it would be an impossible lifestyle for me but I wonder if the heath claim are true???? > Thanks, crafting mom, I find reading these site interesting. I am > following low carb and really feel great , but I am interested in > learning this diet. This topic is very interesting. I honestly think > it would be an impossible lifestyle for me but I wonder if the heath > claim are true???? Well, I feel much better, and I had a number of chronic complaints. There are some women who, under the guidance of their endocrinologists, while eating high-raw to 100% raw, have been able to gradually wean off their thyroid meds. I'm hoping to get to that state, myself. > Hi, I follow low carb and feel great and am happy. Now here is my > question, my brother in law who I just saw at Christmas, has been on [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > tell you my brother in law looked skinny pale and sick to me but he > says he feels great. You could combine the benefits of both diets by eating enough fat and protein that is recommended on low carb, and eating raw veggies/low starch fruits. Paleo diets come to mind. > Hi, I follow low carb and feel great and am happy. Then stick with it. Are you asking the below for academic reasons, to look into ways of improving your already good situation, or to give yourself doubts ("feel great and am happy" is not a sign of problems). > Now here is my > question, my brother in law who I just saw at Christmas, has been on > the Raw Foods Diet. He eats no meat. Note that if you want to incorporate good parts of his plan into yours you could start having most/all of your veggies raw. It wouldn't change their carb content much and the few veggies that *must* be cooked to be edible, would it be all that bad to avoid them much of the time? Besides, raw veggies are great once you've gotten used to them. I've been having a fist sized portion of some raw veggie at lunch for years and I love it. > I was very interested in his > diet so I looked up some info and basically it seems to me to be > vegatarian organic type diet with a lot of raw fruit and veggies. They > say this a healthy diet. Everyone says their diet is healthy. A lot of the claims are actually true. In this case I don't doubt their claims. But consider - Does that fact that one type of diet is healthy imply that no other types of diet are healthy? Of course not! There are *many* ways to eat that are healthy. You're on one. He's on another. > What is your opinion of this diet compared to > a low carb diet??? Since both are healthy let's consider other factors. Is he ever hungry? Are you? How hard does he have to work at his plan? How easy is your plan? > What to you think is healthier Since I think both are good that's a loaded question. Since this is a low carb support group not a vegitarian support group my bias favors low carb. Just don't imagine that I am so nuts as to say: Since low carb is healthy, then all other plans must be worse. I'm gung ho pro-low-carb but I'm not an idiot about it. I'm well aware that other ways work just fine. > and better. Compare amount of work and amount of hunger. How hard is it for you to plan complete nutrition on your plan? Some meat, some veggies, some other stuff, handled. How hard is it for him? Special formulas for complete protein (vs having a couple of eggs and t's handled), stunts for keep from getting hungry on a low fat plan (vs making it through the early carb cravings and they go away). > I can > tell you my brother in law looked skinny pale and sick to me but he > says he feels great. There ya go. If you ever want to feel great but look skinny pale and sick, now you know exactly what to do to acheive that. So, DO you want to look skinny pale and sick? It's a question that will be on the test. You have to pass the test before moving on to the next grade in diet school. ;^) |
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