Fatty diets and Type 2 Diabetes

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Alan - 29 Dec 2005 23:44 GMT

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4563604.stm

Any thoughts on this? I've only just skim-read it but I wanted to
share it with the group. No particular opinion of my own (yet!).

Alan.

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Marengo - 30 Dec 2005 00:05 GMT

|| http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4563604.stm
||
|| Any thoughts on this? I've only just skim-read it but I wanted to
|| share it with the group. No particular opinion of my own (yet!).
||
|| Alan.

Dumb, dumb, dumb! The "study" is so typical; it's based on a false premise
They did not separate fats from carbohydrates in the study, and we all know
that the combination of fats and carbohydrates is the worst. The study is
like tracking men who smoke and wear green sweaters, and after several years
of statistics coming to the conclusion that green sweaters cause heart
attacks and strokes.

Any one of us who have been on Atkins or a similar diet know that we can eat
high-fat, moderate protein and low carbohydrate and see a normilization of
blood sugars and HbA1c, not to mention dramatic decreases in trigycerides
and an increase in HDL/LDL cholesterol.

The article actually says that the study may lead to a new treatment for
"high-fat-diet-induced diabetes!" High fat does not induce diabetes; high
carbohydrates induce diabetes. Have we learned nothing in the past quarter
century?

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trader4@optonline.net - 30 Dec 2005 17:12 GMT

"The study is like tracking men who smoke and wear green sweaters, and
after several years
of statistics coming to the conclusion that green sweaters cause heart
attacks and strokes. "

No, it would seem the correct analogy would be that it would be like
seperating the men into two groups and making one group wear green
sweaters a lot more than the other group.

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jbuch - 30 Dec 2005 01:21 GMT

> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4563604.stm
>
> Any thoughts on this? I've only just skim-read it but I wanted to
> share it with the group. No particular opinion of my own (yet!).
>
> Alan.

The emidicine.com website says - - -

http://www.emedicine.com/med/topic547.htm

Background: Type 2 diabetes mellitus is a *group* of disorders
characterized by hyperglycemia and associated with microvascular (ie,
retinal, renal, possibly neuropathic), macrovascular (ie, coronary,
peripheral vascular), and neuropathic (ie, autonomic, peripheral)
complications. Unlike type 1 diabetes mellitus, the patients are not
absolutely dependent upon insulin for life, even though many of these
patients ultimately are treated with insulin.
----------------------------------------------------

A *Group* of Disorders ......

There *possibly* could be a subset of this disorder attributed to
failure to generate enough insulin. And, perhaps, one of the causes of
this subset *might* be fatty inhibition of the generation of insulin.

BUT, the claim that fat food CAUSES type II is WAY OVERSIMPLIFIED.

TYPE II is commonly described as:

1) insufficient insulin creation or

2)defects in utilization of the insulin which is produced.

For case 2) an average production of insulin would not produce the
normal benificial result, and symptoms would occur.

So, at best, there is a SUBSET of the group of disorders called Type II
Diabetes that this fat discovery would relate to, and only a SUBSET of
Type II disorders that *could* be induced by fat intake.

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dissident - 30 Dec 2005 16:12 GMT

>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4563604.stm
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> absolutely dependent upon insulin for life, even though many of these
> patients ultimately are treated with insulin.

Unfortunately this doesn't say anything about the pre-diabetic state.

> A *Group* of Disorders ......
>
> There *possibly* could be a subset of this disorder attributed to
> failure to generate enough insulin. And, perhaps, one of the causes of
> this subset *might* be fatty inhibition of the generation of insulin.

There are studies that point to a fatty acid buildup as the cause of
beta cell death in people with a certain genetic makeup. The study
described in the BBC article deals with inhibition/attenuation of
insulin production. This is a big distinction since Type II diabetes
is recognized to onset after the collapse of insulin production due
to a major beta cell dieoff. In the case of beta cell death via fatty
acid buildup a diet high in carbohydrates is key.

> BUT, the claim that fat food CAUSES type II is WAY OVERSIMPLIFIED.

It is beyond oversimplified, it is misleading.

> TYPE II is commonly described as:
>
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> Diabetes that this fat discovery would relate to, and only a SUBSET of
> Type II disorders that *could* be induced by fat intake.

The significance of this study is for people who are pre-diabetic and
not for those with Type II diabetes (since they have lost their ability
to produce insulin in sufficient amounts already). If they are on their
way to developing Type II diabetes then they are not suffering from a
lack of insulin production but the exact opposite. The results of this
study show them that they can control excess insulin production with a
"high" fat and low carbohydrate diet.

The authors of this study assume that it is normal to have high sugar
levels in the blood that always require a robust insulin response. If
they want people to be worried about their blood sugar levels then they
should be concerned with the intake of sugar as carbohydrates.
It is also interesting that they don't discuss the issue of beta
cell toxicity that results from excessive insulin production. So
it looks like all they fret about is "evil" fat and could care less
about preventing Type II diabetes. Maybe this is how they get their
grant money, but then it ain't science.

P.S. The tone of my response is aimed at the article and not at
you.

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Joe the Aroma - 30 Dec 2005 15:15 GMT

> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4563604.stm
>
> Any thoughts on this? I've only just skim-read it but I wanted to
> share it with the group. No particular opinion of my own (yet!).
>
> Alan.

In another group it's been pointed out that the "high fat" diet was
partially hydrogenated vegetable oil.

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