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catskills@monmouth.com - 25 Feb 2006 23:12 GMT
Ok lets go with this senerio, you made it to goal, maintained your
weight, and now one only one day lets say you have for one meal pasta
(mullers that kinda) and ragu about a big plate full for dinner.   What
happens the next day???  Do you feel shitty after only on cheat meal,
now we are only taking dinner??  Do you gain weight, lets say 200 cal
breakfast, 300 cal lunch and add the plate of pasta, sauce so that
would still be about 600 cal (a am guessing) ?   So calorie wise not
out of control but lot of carbs in big plate of pasta?  You see I have
never cheated so all you people who hit goal, had one meal now I am not
taking an all day food carb fest.  What usually happened to you?
Really curious.    By the way I have never felt so great on this way of
eating been doing it since october and here are all my benefits:

1. NO AND I MEAN NO HEARTBURN, USE TO HAVE IT ALL THE TIME
2. NO GAS
3. NO SNORNING
4. GREAT SKIN
5. OF COURSE LOSE ALL WEIGHT
6. ENERGY OUT THE a.s!!!!!!

I am so thrilled !!!!!!!!!   also I have become a more nicer and
compassionate person on low carb, not so angry.   Never depressed like
before.  But that may be due to looking better so I cant equate that
with low carb.
Roger Zoul - 25 Feb 2006 23:15 GMT
> Ok lets go with this senerio, you made it to goal, maintained your
> weight, and now one only one day lets say you have for one meal pasta
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> before.  But that may be due to looking better so I cant equate that
> with low carb.

jpegs.
Susan - 25 Feb 2006 23:16 GMT
> jpegs.

Monsieur, you are zee peeg!

;-)

Susan
Roger Zoul - 28 Feb 2006 17:40 GMT
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I try not to be...but successful female LCers bring out the worst in me. :)
Susan - 25 Feb 2006 23:16 GMT
> Ok lets go with this senerio, you made it to goal, maintained your
> weight, and now one only one day lets say you have for one meal pasta
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> before.  But that may be due to looking better so I cant equate that
> with low carb.
jbuch - 25 Feb 2006 23:45 GMT
> Ok lets go with this senerio, you made it to goal, maintained your
> weight, and now one only one day lets say you have for one meal pasta
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> before.  But that may be due to looking better so I cant equate that
> with low carb.

I wouldn't be real concerned at all.

I would just go back to the program about as if nothing had happened.
The small changes would be to take some combination of a little extra
exercise and/or fewer carbs/calories for a couple of days.

Then go on as normal, but kind of determined not to have this happen
again a lot.

With one cheating big meal, as can happen at a social occasion, you
aren't going to balloon up 50 pounds overnight and have everybody laugh
at your new blimpness and curse you for having eaten a little too much once.

Take it easy.

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catskills@monmouth.com - 26 Feb 2006 00:14 GMT
just curious have not done this yet,  and Roger what is jpegs???   Is
that a post?
Roger Zoul - 26 Feb 2006 00:22 GMT
<catskills@monmouth.com> wrote in message
> just curious have not done this yet,  and Roger what is jpegs???   Is
> that a post?

Pictures...of you....since you're lookin so good and all! Motivate others to
do what you did. :)
catskills@monmouth.com - 26 Feb 2006 00:45 GMT
you know I will go to my dads and he has a digital camera so I can show
you the after but you wont get the before.   Unless there is someone I
can mail my pictures too before and after and they can do it.  I really
would love to show all of you that this works.   The before is so
terrible, I am embarrassed like a beached whale!!!!!
Roger Zoul - 26 Feb 2006 01:31 GMT
> you know I will go to my dads and he has a digital camera so I can show
> you the after but you wont get the before.   Unless there is someone I
> can mail my pictures too before and after and they can do it.  I really
> would love to show all of you that this works.   The before is so
> terrible, I am embarrassed like a beached whale!!!!!

Hey, I'm just kiddin ya....don't go to any trouble...though jpegs are nice!
DB - 26 Feb 2006 01:21 GMT
"jbuch" <jbuch@CUT_HERE.revealed.net> wrote in

> With one cheating big meal, as can happen at a social occasion, you aren't
> going to balloon up 50 pounds overnight and have everybody laugh at your
> new blimpness and curse you for having eaten a little too much once.

I MUST CONFESS, I did it last night when coming home from work.
Was feeling a little tired and craving a cheeseburger with fries, lucky
there was a  good restaurant  on the way home and I grabbed a steak dinner,
but ate the big baked potato and Garlic bread that came with it.

Did and hour walk today and back on track! :-)

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OmManiPadmeOmelet - 26 Feb 2006 03:17 GMT
> Ok lets go with this senerio, you made it to goal, maintained your
> weight, and now one only one day lets say you have for one meal pasta
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> before.  But that may be due to looking better so I cant equate that
> with low carb.

Yes you can... :-)
I'm a lot less "bitchy" when I avoid starchy/sugary carbs too.
I think it has to do with mood swings caused by serum glucose
spikes......
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Saffire - 26 Feb 2006 08:24 GMT
> 1. NO AND I MEAN NO HEARTBURN, USE TO HAVE IT ALL THE TIME
> 2. NO GAS
> 3. NO SNORNING
> 4. GREAT SKIN
> 5. OF COURSE LOSE ALL WEIGHT
> 6. ENERGY OUT THE a.s!!!!!!

Upon reading that last one I had a sudden image of you sort of tumbling
lightly down the road, being propelled by all the energy exiting your
a.s :-)

Seriously, though, I'm very happy for your success.  I know how
miraculous it seems when so many problems are fixed just by eating well!

> I am so thrilled !!!!!!!!!   also I have become a more nicer and
> compassionate person on low carb, not so angry.   Never depressed like
> before.  But that may be due to looking better so I cant equate that
> with low carb.

Looking better certainly boosts the spirits, but don't discount other
factors.  One thing that I noticed after losing a lot of weight was that
I had been carrying around so much weight that it was a real BURDEN on
me.  I didn't just weigh a lot -- I was WEIGHED DOWN and much effort it
took.  Now I see heavier people lumbering along and I remember how I
felt at the same weight.  It's WORK hauling that around all the time, so
it can certainly affect your mood, even if you don't realize it at the
time.  Also, so many things improved in my health and the way I felt
that I had new hope that things really COULD get better.  Looking in the
mirror and seeing a smaller body is an added bonus :-)  All things
considered, it's a winning combination!

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catskills@monmouth.com - 26 Feb 2006 15:13 GMT
your pretty funny with that comeback saf!!!  But have you ever went off
low carb for one meal???  How did you feel?  What was the scale #??
Saffire - 26 Feb 2006 21:24 GMT
> your pretty funny with that comeback saf!!!  But have you ever went off
> low carb for one meal???  How did you feel?  What was the scale #??

Actually, no.  Wait, a couple of times I DID have a slice of pizza.  I
don't recall any bad effects from it, but it was only one slice each
time.  I also had some Chinese food early on that turned out to have
some sugar in it (not much, but after going WITHOUT sugar for a few
months, it was QUITE noticeable to me -- I was shocked because I had
been eating the same dish off and on for years and it had never even
occurred to me that it might have sugar in it.  Again, though, no bad
effects from it.  

I'm just really committed to low-carbing, so I guess I'm not the right
person to give answers on the after-effects part.  Because my main focus
is to feel better, the fear of feeling like crap plays a key part in my
staying on track.  

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Doug Freyburger - 27 Feb 2006 21:49 GMT
> your pretty funny with that comeback saf!!!  But have you ever went off
> low carb for one meal?

Are you a everything-in-moderation person, or are you a
crash-and-burn person?  You you like moderation, then a
meal now and then off isn't going to be a problem.  If
you're crash, then a meal off could lead to a year off.
Very much your call on that.

Have you followed the carb ladder and exactly learned
your body's reactions to all of the foods involved?  That
is part of the process after all.  If you have then you
already know if wheat is a trigger food for you.  It is for
me so the meal you describe would tempt me to binge
and call for a detox afterwards, not worth the effort.  If
you have not tried any wheat since starting, I suggest a
floury gravy first time.  It will give you a smaller initial
dosage.

> How did you feel?

Bad.  You pointed out snoring - wheat turns my snoring
back on loud.  Plus most of the rest of your list.

> What was the scale #?

You need to understand that part is irrelevant.  One meal
can NOT trigger fat storage that way.  One meal CAN
trigger water retention, and water reacts to gravity so it
shows on the scale.  Since water isn't fat and it's fat that
we all wanted to lose, that type of scale bounce isn't an
issue.  If you're going to freak out at water bounce, know
that in advance and stay off the sale until you're back
stabilized.
Sherry - 27 Feb 2006 21:58 GMT
> You need to understand that part is irrelevant.  One meal
> can NOT trigger fat storage that way.  One meal CAN
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> that in advance and stay off the sale until you're back
> stabilized.

Usually after my Chinese buffet meal I can count on "gaining" 5-6#.  Within
48 hours, if I drink a lot and eat mostly fats and veggies, it's gone and
I'm back to where I was before the meal.  I suppose some might be shocked to
the point of quitting by such a "gain"...

I've often wondered how much our minds and personality have to do with the
whole health/weight loss continuum - as much as our bodies, I sometimes
think!

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DB - 28 Feb 2006 04:06 GMT
"Sherry" <usenetID@highstream.net> wrote in

> I'm back to where I was before the meal.  I suppose some might be shocked
> to
> the point of quitting by such a "gain"...

Only if they consider it a gain, the smart people know it's only a shift in
water weight and nothing to do with their waist line!
It's just like the stock market, those in for the long haul are not effected
by short term losses.
Aaron Baugher - 26 Feb 2006 14:26 GMT
> Ok lets go with this senerio, you made it to goal, maintained your
> weight, and now one only one day lets say you have for one meal
> pasta (mullers that kinda) and ragu about a big plate full for
> dinner.  What happens the next day???  Do you feel shitty after only
> on cheat meal, now we are only taking dinner??

A single cheat meal doesn't bother me, except of course to break me
out of ketosis and stall weight loss.  If it's a really heavy,
high-glycemic meal, like a Thanksgiving dinner with a big pile of
mashed potatoes followed by a couple pieces of pie, I might get some
mental fog, but that's it.  It takes me 2-3 days of cheating for the
other symptoms of carb poisoning to start popping up: headaches,
heartburn, depression, lack of energy and ambition, etc.  

> Do you gain weight, lets say 200 cal breakfast, 300 cal lunch and
> add the plate of pasta, sauce so that would still be about 600 cal
> (a am guessing) ?

I don't think you'll ever gain a significant amount of weight from a
single meal.  If you do, I'd expect it to be water from storing the
extra glucose you're not used to.  But any time you cause a large
production of insulin, you're going to postpone weight loss for a
while, and that's not good.

> By the way I have never felt so great on this way of eating been
> doing it since october and here are all my benefits:

> 1. NO AND I MEAN NO HEARTBURN, USE TO HAVE IT ALL THE TIME
> 2. NO GAS
> 3. NO SNORNING
> 4. GREAT SKIN
> 5. OF COURSE LOSE ALL WEIGHT
> 6. ENERGY OUT THE a.s!!!!!!

7. No headaches
8. Clearer mind

> I am so thrilled !!!!!!!!!  also I have become a more nicer and
> compassionate person on low carb, not so angry.  Never depressed
> like before.  But that may be due to looking better so I cant equate
> that with low carb.

I'm sure looking better has something to do with it, but I wouldn't
discount the mental effect of cutting carbs.  I can tell how well I've
been sticking to my plan by how clear my mind is, how well my
short-term memory works, and so on.

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catskills@monmouth.com - 26 Feb 2006 17:52 GMT
thank you aaron!!
Dick Yuknavech - 26 Feb 2006 20:01 GMT
>... other symptoms of carb poisoning ...

Love that! I'll have to start using that term in addition to "low-fat
fad".

Carb poisoning!

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Was I ever glad to see the Low-Fat craze go away!
Aaron Baugher - 27 Feb 2006 14:38 GMT
>>... other symptoms of carb poisoning ...
>
> Love that! I'll have to start using that term in addition to
> "low-fat fad".

Feel free.  I realize it's a bit of hyperbole, but not entirely.  If I
could sprinkle a powder in your food that would make you tired and
confused, give you headaches and heartburn, and eventually cause
disease, you'd say I was poisoning you, right?  Carbs don't affect
everyone that way, but they do me, so the shoe fits.

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Carmen - 27 Feb 2006 15:22 GMT
> Ok lets go with this senerio, you made it to goal, maintained your
> weight, and now one only one day lets say you have for one meal pasta
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> before.  But that may be due to looking better so I cant equate that
> with low carb.

Don't go there if the reason you low carb is for your health (GERD,
diabetes) or because you binge when you eat carbs.  If GERD (or nasty,
recurrent heartburn) is a problemn when you eat carbs it'll come
screaming back.  Ditto for the gas.  If you binge on carbs, then eating
something like pasta may set you off - only you know how susceptible
you are to that.

Carmen
Saffire - 27 Feb 2006 22:09 GMT
> > catskills@monmouth.com wrote:

> > I am so thrilled !!!!!!!!!   also I have become a more nicer and
> > compassionate person on low carb, not so angry.   Never depressed like
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> something like pasta may set you off - only you know how susceptible
> you are to that.

Before I started low-carbing, I used to have chocolate chip cookies
about 4-5 times a week (3-4 at a time baked fresh each time from frozen
dough).  I eventually figured out that those cookies were a BIG trigger
of reflux in my case.  I was CRUSHED!  CCCs were my favorite "food" in
the WORLD!  Now that I think about it, knowing that I couldn't (or at
least SHOULDN'T) eat the cookies without possibly choking to death in my
sleep (it was getting THAT bad) was so disheartening that it was ALSO a
key deciding factor in my deciding to bite the bullet and start low-carb
(which I had already been pondering for several months).  I think I went
throught he five stages of grief over it:  denial, anger, bargaining,
depression, acceptance -- only then could I move on to a life of low-
carb :-)

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catskills@monmouth.com - 28 Feb 2006 00:00 GMT
thanks I guess I wont go there!!  I really enjoy reading about you
saffire, I have seen your pictures and if a picture does not speak a
thousand words!!   Thanks Carmen, bad heartburn, used to eat 18 tums to
24 to rid it!!   NO MORE!!!
 
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