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Weight Loss Forum / Low Carb / March 2006Grains A Good Thing: Whole-grains are part of the vegetarian diet that can be used to successfully manage Type 2 Diabetes.
Am J Clin Nutr. 2003 Sep;78(3 Suppl):610S-616S. Type 2 diabetes and the vegetarian diet. http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/78/3/610S Jenkins DJ, Kendall CW, Marchie A, Jenkins AL, Augustin LS, Ludwig DS, Barnard ND, Anderson JW. Clinical Nutrition & Risk Factor Modification Center, St Michael's Hospital, Toronto, Ontario, Canada. "Based on what is known of the components of plant-based diets and their effects from cohort studies, there is reason to believe that vegetarian diets would have advantages in the treatment of type 2 diabetes. At present there are few data on vegetarian diets in diabetes that do not in addition have weight loss or exercise components. Nevertheless, the use of whole-grain or traditionally processed cereals and legumes has been associated with improved glycemic control in both diabetic and insulin-resistant individuals. Long-term cohort studies have indicated that whole-grain consumption reduces the risk of both type 2 diabetes and cardiovascular disease. In addition, nuts (eg, almonds), viscous fibers (eg, fibers from oats and barley), soy proteins, and plant sterols, which may be part of the vegetarian diet, reduce serum lipids. In combination, these plant food components may have a very significant impact on cardiovascular disease, one of the major complications of diabetes. Furthermore, substituting soy or other vegetable proteins for animal protein may also decrease renal hyperfiltration, proteinuria, and renal acid load and in the long term reduce the risk of developing renal disease in type 2 diabetes. The vegetarian diet, therefore, contains a portfolio of natural products and food forms of benefit for both the carbohydrate and lipid abnormalities in diabetes. It is anticipated that their combined use in vegetarian diets will produce very significant metabolic advantages for the prevention and treatment of diabetes and its complications." PMID: 12936955 http://naturalhealthperspective.com/food/whole-grains.html -- John Gohde, Achieving good Nutrition is an Art, NOT a Science! The nutrition of eating a healthy diet is a biological factor of the mind-body connection. Now, weighing in at 18 web pages, the Nutrition of a Healthy Diet is with more documentation and sharper terminology than ever before. http://naturalhealthperspective.com/food/ Grains are poison. > Grains are poison. Holy sh.t! I've been poisoned! On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 20:23:17 -0500, George Cherry wrote in <news:rOOdnSCpduKUO57ZRVn-qw@comcast.com> on alt.support.diet.low-carb,alt.support.diet.paleolithic,alt.health.diabetes,misc.health.diabetes,sci.med.nutrition >> Grains are poison. > > Holy sh.t! I've been poisoned! And I am dead without knowing it! Ouch! X'Posted to: alt.support.diet.low-carb,alt.support.diet.paleolithic,alt.health.diabetes,misc.health.diabetes,sci.med.nutrition >Grains are poison. apparently a very slow acting one taking sometimes more than 100 years to kill its victim. > Am J Clin Nutr. 2003 Sep;78(3 Suppl):610S-616S. > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > hyperfiltration, proteinuria, and renal acid load and in the long term > reduce the risk of developing renal disease in type 2 diabetes. There's quite a bit of research available which shows humans are not well adapted to eating grains. As for soy, type in soy, dangerous and unhealthy into a search engine and start reading, quite an eye opener. > > Am J Clin Nutr. 2003 Sep;78(3 Suppl):610S-616S. > > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > adapted to eating grains. As for soy, type in soy, dangerous and unhealthy > into a search engine and start reading, quite an eye opener. Actually, that is a total myth. That stuff reads like a fairy tale and was publish in some pretty far out journals. Just my opinion, but I am NEVER wrong. Feel free to prove me wrong. Alright John, Enough with the procrastination. Have you cleared out all that junk food yet? Are you ready to get serious? You're still here, so you want to make that change. Step up to the plate - not that one either. ;-) Carmen :: <johngohde@naturalhealthperspective.com> wrote in message :: news:1141081585.125984.215280@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] ::: vegetarian diets would have advantages in the treatment of type 2 ::: diabetes. What exactly is a vegetarian diet? Pasta, rice, and potatoes without fat? At present there are few data on vegetarian diets in ::: diabetes that do not in addition have weight loss or exercise ::: components. Nevertheless, the use of whole-grain or traditionally ::: processed cereals and legumes has been associated with improved ::: glycemic control in both diabetic and insulin-resistant ::: individuals. Compared to what? Fruit loops and juice in the mornings? Long-term cohort studies have indicated that ::: whole-grain consumption reduces the risk of both type 2 diabetes ::: and cardiovascular disease. Compared to what? In addition, nuts (eg, almonds), ::: viscous fibers (eg, fibers from oats and barley), soy proteins, and ::: plant sterols, which may be part of the vegetarian diet, reduce ::: serum lipids. Nuts can be a part of any lowcarbers diet, too. Also, these items may not be part of a "vegetarian" diet. In combination, these plant food components may have ::: a very significant impact on cardiovascular disease, one of the ::: major complications of diabetes. may, may, may, may, may, may, may, may,.......... As if that proves jack... Furthermore, substituting soy or ::: other vegetable proteins for animal protein may also decrease renal ::: hyperfiltration, proteinuria, and renal acid load and in the long ::: term reduce the risk of developing renal disease in type 2 ::: diabetes. Without looking at the remaining composition of the diet, such statements are completely meaningless. All of that being said, I do think at type 2 can do well on a vegetarian diet. However, one would need to be careful in what is included in that diet. Standard fare probably won't work. However, IMO, a better diet for most would be a real low-carb diet that includes plenty of fibrous veggies and few, if any, whole grains. Exercise would definitely be part of the lifestyle, too. > :: <johngohde@naturalhealthperspective.com> wrote in message > :: news:1141081585.125984.215280@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > What exactly is a vegetarian diet? Pasta, rice, and potatoes without fat? I think that this is one of those "wishful thinking" type of articles. The authors have noted some positive attirbutes of plant-based diets on the types of health problems experienced by diabetics, and decide that it "should be" a good idea to put T2's on such a diet. But they ignore some critical problems inherent to that approach. > At present there are few data on vegetarian diets in > ::: diabetes that do not in addition have weight loss or exercise [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Compared to what? Fruit loops and juice in the mornings? Yep. Obviously a T2 is going to have a bit better control with slower-absorbing carbs than the fast-absorbing ones. No big surprise there. > Long-term cohort studies have indicated that > ::: whole-grain consumption reduces the risk of both type 2 diabetes > ::: and cardiovascular disease. > > Compared to what? Well, again it's the whole grains vs. the processed carbs. Not exactly a wide range of macronutrient ratios in those choices, though. And there's a substantial difference between "reducing the risk" and actually controlling bg levels once someone is diabetic. The risk reducing diet may not be effective at bg reduction, unfortunately. > In addition, nuts (eg, almonds), > ::: viscous fibers (eg, fibers from oats and barley), soy proteins, and [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Nuts can be a part of any lowcarbers diet, too. Also, these items may not > be part of a "vegetarian" diet. True. The vegan, or near-vegan, diets that have been publicized as helpful in reducing arterial plaque, for instance, are very low fat. Consumption of nuts and full-fat soy is not recommended, or only very low quantities are allowed. > In combination, these plant food components may have > ::: a very significant impact on cardiovascular disease, one of the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > As if that proves jack... Yep, a pretty worthless statement there. The fact is, if the T2 doesn't get his insulin and bg levels consistently down to normal levels, all the sterols and fiber aren't going to do much good. And it's a fact that very-low-fat starch-rich diets just are not very effective at lowering bg levels, for obvious reasons. If the person can reduce calorie consumption enough, he may still have some success on a vegetarian diet, but that kind of diet is so unsatisfying that it is very difficult to stay on... compliance levels are extremely low, particularly because the regular intake of starchy carbohydrates stimulates insulin production and thus hunger. > Furthermore, substituting soy or > ::: other vegetable proteins for animal protein may also decrease renal [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Without looking at the remaining composition of the diet, such statements > are completely meaningless. It's not clear at all to me that intake of regular, substantial amounts of soy is a good idea. Also, there's some evidence that it's more the combination of high bg levels and protein, which produces large glycoprotein molecules that "clog" kidneys, rather than just the protein, that causes kidney damage in T2s. Therefore, get the bg levels down, consistently, and you'll do much less kidney damage. > All of that being said, I do think at type 2 can do well on a vegetarian > diet. However, one would need to be careful in what is included in that > diet. Standard fare probably won't work. I agree. And I also agree that standard vegetarian fare is unlikely to work for most T2s. The only models I've seen that appeared to be reasonable were pretty low calorie, and therefore not very sustainable. At any rate, more than minimal amounts of fruit, starchy vegetables, or starches in the diet will be a problem in a couple of ways. > However, IMO, a better diet for most would be a real low-carb diet that > includes plenty of fibrous veggies and few, if any, whole grains. > Exercise would definitely be part of the lifestyle, too. Yes. You could minimize animal food consumption by using soy analogues, nuts, seeds, and modest amounts of beans. But I think that would be difficult over the long haul and nutritionally, probably not worth the effort. HG On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 05:33:33 GMT, Joe wrote in <news:NgRMf.55127$dW3.51248@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com> on alt.support.diet.low-carb,alt.support.diet.paleolithic,alt.health.diabetes,misc.health.diabetes,sci.med.nutrition > There's quite a bit of research available which shows humans are not well > adapted to eating grains. Indeed, some are intolerant to wheat. Some other people are intolerant to lactose. Others are allergic to peanuts. Others just can't stand meat... So what? > As for soy, type in soy, dangerous and unhealthy > into a search engine and start reading, quite an eye opener. Do you trust anything from "a search engine"? X'Posted to: alt.support.diet.low-carb,alt.support.diet.paleolithic,alt.health.diabetes,misc.health.diabetes,sci.med.nutrition > Am J Clin Nutr. 2003 Sep;78(3 Suppl):610S-616S. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Jenkins DJ, Kendall CW, Marchie A, Jenkins AL, Augustin LS, Ludwig DS, > Barnard ND, Anderson JW. David J.A. Jenkins, M.D., Ph.D., Department of Nutritional Sciences, University of Toronto. Evaluated potential health benefits of oil seeds, such as soy and flaxseed, partially funded by the University-Industry Partnership Program of the Natural Sciences and Engineering Research Council of Canada and Omega Nutrition Canada. (Am. J. Clin. Nutr. 1999;69:395-402) James W. Anderson, University of Kentucky and the Veterans Affairs Medical Center, Lexington. Research on the cholesterol-lowering effects of psyllium funded by Procter & Gamble Company. (Am. J. Clin. Nutr. 2000;71:1433-8) Research on psyllium on glucose and serum lipid responses in men with type 2 diabetes and hypercholesterolemia, funded by Procter & Gamble Company. (Am. J. Clin. Nutr. 2000;70:466-73) Research on the difference in cognitive development between breast-fed and formula-fed children, funded by Martek Biosciences Corporation and HCF Nutrition Foundation. (AM. J. Clin. Nutr. 2000;70:525- 35) Research on using Orlistat for weight maintenance funded by F Hoffmann-La Roche. (Am. J. Clin. Nutr. 1999;69:1108-16)Research on yogurt and cholesterol supported by Campina Melkunie. (J. Am. Col. of Nutr. 1999;18:43-9) Research on type 2 diabetes mellitus supported in part by Roche Vitamins. (J. Amer. Coll. Nutr. 1999;18:451-61) And ND Barnard - http://www.animalscam.com/sources.cfm http://www.consumerfreedom.com/news_list.cfm?topic=8&page=12 http://www.peta-sucks.com/whatispeta.htm ************* TC >>Am J Clin Nutr. 2003 Sep;78(3 Suppl):610S-616S. >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Engineering Research Council of Canada and Omega Nutrition Canada. (Am. > J. Clin. Nutr. 1999;69:395-402) It is obvious that none of these people have heard of diverculitis. How come I have? ::: Am J Clin Nutr. 2003 Sep;78(3 Suppl):610S-616S. ::: [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] : It is obvious that none of these people have heard of diverculitis. : How come I have? And your point was?  SignatureJuhana > ::: Am J Clin Nutr. 2003 Sep;78(3 Suppl):610S-616S. > ::: [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > And your point was? Like Colitis and Crohn's, grains are the problem. TC |
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