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Weight Loss Forum / Low Carb / March 2006Feeling ill from Induction
Hey, this the newbie who used to post as Rick, i noticed there is another Rick here already. I been on strict Induction,less than 20 carbs/day,only possible 'cheat' is im allowing myself 2- 12 oz cans of Diet Rite per day. Just like the first time, ive been feeling kinda ill. Lightheaded, runny nose, nauseous,lower energy,hungry for carbs. I also feel a burning sensation in my belly area. Im sticking with the program,but is this common? Ive been drinking at least 64 oz of water per day to help. I wonder if I have a an overabundance of yeast in my body,like Atkins described in the book. I hope not,im not ready to give up most cheeses,soy sauce,worcestshire sauce,hot sauce,sour cream etc. You didn't say how long you've been on induction. If just a few days, then just hang in there. If you have done your two weeks, start adding carbs. Hey, this the newbie who used to post as Rick, i noticed there is another Rick here already. I been on strict Induction,less than 20 carbs/day,only possible 'cheat' is im allowing myself 2- 12 oz cans of Diet Rite per day. Just like the first time, ive been feeling kinda ill. Lightheaded, runny nose, nauseous,lower energy,hungry for carbs. I also feel a burning sensation in my belly area. Im sticking with the program,but is this common? Ive been drinking at least 64 oz of water per day to help. I wonder if I have a an overabundance of yeast in my body,like Atkins described in the book. I hope not,im not ready to give up most cheeses,soy sauce,worcestshire sauce,hot sauce,sour cream etc. > Hey, this the newbie who used to post as Rick, i noticed there is > another Rick here already. > I been on strict Induction,less than 20 carbs/day,only possible > 'cheat' is im allowing myself 2- 12 oz cans of Diet Rite per day Why would you consider that a possible cheat? Diet Rite uses Splenda, which is allowed. I also seem to remember that you said you had been on induction for about a week, but then went off on some binge and had also been eating frozen ice cream with sugar alcohols, no? That is something to worry about. By doing that, you may be extending out the time period of your body adjusting, which is usually a few days to a week. > Just like the first time, ive been feeling kinda ill. Lightheaded, > runny nose, nauseous,lower energy,hungry for carbs. I also feel a > burning sensation in my belly area. Some people do have the lightheaded, lower energy symptoms for a few days as their body adjusts. The craving for carbs is normal, however you prolonged this by interrupting induction after about a week so it may be extended. The nausea is not common, but I have seen others report it. The burning sensation could be indigestion do to the sudden change in diet. The runny nose is definitely not something I've ever heard occuring, sounds like you may have a cold, which could account for some of the symptoms. Did you take your temp? > Im sticking with the program,but is this common? Ive been drinking at > least 64 oz of water per day to help. I wouldn't over do the water either. If you're getting 64 oz total fluids a day, that is fine. > I wonder if I have a an overabundance of yeast in my body,like Atkins > described in the book. I hope not,im not ready to give up most > cheeses,soy sauce,worcestshire sauce,hot sauce,sour cream etc. It's possible, but I wouldn't get worried just yet. You said this is the second time this is happening? How long did the symptoms last the first time? How long did you stay on LC and how far did you get? It would also help if you posted a few days worth of sample menus so we know exactly what you are eating. ive been on Induction for about 3 days. Youre right, the runny nose wasnt there the first time, so it might be a cold. The first Induction lasted about a week, lol, but this time im sticking with it. Sample menus...ok, heres what i ate today Breakfast- Pattie of Bob Evans Sausage(about 1/6 of roll) 2 fried eggs Lunch- Two drumsticks baked chicken 2 Slices of cheese 5 pork rinds Diet Rite Snack-Slice of cheese Dinner- Large hamburger patty (1/3 lb) w/tomato and onion slice,lettuce Tbs mustard mixed with a dab of ketchup 3 radishes Snack- 2 stalks celery, 1 Tbs sour cream > ive been on Induction for about 3 days. Youre right, the runny nose > wasnt there the first time, so it might be a cold. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > Snack- > 2 stalks celery, 1 Tbs sour cream I seem to recall in your other recent thread where we wound up in a big discussion about the fact that you were well under your induction limit of salad and/or vegetables. I'm of the opinion that what you are doing is consistent with induction, as Atkins set limits, not minimums. If it works for you and you're fine doing it, I think it's OK for induction. However, since you are not feeling well, particularly lack of energy, light headed, if it were me, I'd get the carbs up closer to the 20g limit by adding some salad/vegs. Don't you like salad/vegs? There are lots of things you can make that are not traditional veg dishes, but are quite good, like mock mash potatoes made with cauliflower, for example, which could go nicely with the hamburger patty. Also, the quantity of food there is definitely on the low side. Again, I think it can be alright for some days in induction, but if this is typical and you are not feeling well, I'd be trying to get the quantity up. You are taking a good vitamin supplement too, right? > ive been on Induction for about 3 days. Youre right, the runny nose > wasnt there the first time, so it might be a cold. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > Snack- > 2 stalks celery, 1 Tbs sour cream Add some more veggies for lunch. You might be low in potassium. >> ive been on Induction for about 3 days. Youre right, the runny nose >> wasnt there the first time, so it might be a cold. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Add some more veggies for lunch. You might be low in potassium. Incidentally, I hope that sausage you are eating is nitrate/nitrite free. If it's not you are not "doing Atkins". He warns against eating meats with those carcinogens. > >> ive been on Induction for about 3 days. Youre right, the runny nose > >> wasnt there the first time, so it might be a cold. [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > it's not you are not "doing Atkins". He warns against eating meats with > those carcinogens. While I do believe Atkins warned about nitrites being possibly linked to cancer and recommended avoiding them, certainly this isn't critical to the whole Atkins process. There are lots of things that many of us consume that have been linked to cancer in one way or another by some study, including saturated fat itself. I think most of us here are eating products like bacon that contain nitrites. While I would agree limiting them is likely a good thing, I wouldn't make things even harder for a guy having trouble on induction. >> >> ive been on Induction for about 3 days. Youre right, the runny nose >> >> wasnt there the first time, so it might be a cold. [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > limiting them is likely a good thing, I wouldn't make things even > harder for a guy having trouble on induction. Organic food stores have nitrite/nitrate free processed meat. Just be careful because it spoils faster. >>>>>ive been on Induction for about 3 days. Youre right, the runny nose >>>>>wasnt there the first time, so it might be a cold. [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > Organic food stores have nitrite/nitrate free processed meat. Just be > careful because it spoils faster. Sounds like you could be continuing to make life less easy for a guy on induction.  Signature1) Eat Till SATISFIED, Not STUFFED... Atkins repeated 9 times in the book 2) Exercise: It's Non-Negotiable..... Chapter 22 title, Atkins book 3) Don't Diet Without Supplimental Nutrients... Chapter 23 title, Atkins book 4) A sensible eating plan, and follow it. (Atkins, Self Made or Other) >>>>>>ive been on Induction for about 3 days. Youre right, the runny nose >>>>>>wasnt there the first time, so it might be a cold. [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > Sounds like you could be continuing to make life less easy for a guy on > induction. For me, the peace of mind I get knowing that I'm minimizing my risk makes life easier. ::: Joe the Aroma wrote: :::: <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in message [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] :: For me, the peace of mind I get knowing that I'm minimizing my risk :: makes life easier. You 'may' be minimizing your risk. Or you may not be. Don't be lulled into thinking that 'may' means 'is' or 'will' or 'does'. That's the problem with modern-day medical research...it seems that little is certain. > ::: Joe the Aroma wrote: > :::: <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in message [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] > into thinking that 'may' means 'is' or 'will' or 'does'. That's the problem > with modern-day medical research...it seems that little is certain. Exactly. Like the women in the recent NIH study who spent 8 years eating less fat, taking hormone replacement therapy and calcium supplements because they "knew" they were minimizing their risk of CHD, cancer, and osteoporosis. Turns out they achieved none of that. But the calcium did lead to 15% more kidney stones. Or how about those that spent decades eating margarine instead of butter because they knew they were minimizing their risk? Turns out most now recognize that the trans fat in the margarine was far worse than the sat fat in the butter. And it didn't even taste nearly as good! I'm not saying I would eat nitrites with abandon. But having some in moderation may not necessarily lead to anything bad either or be great cause for concern for someone just trying to get through induction. :: Roger Zoul wrote: ::: Joe the Aroma wrote: [quoted text clipped - 79 lines] :: great cause for concern for someone just trying to get through :: induction. Exactly. We all do like to at least feel as though we're doing the best we know how. That's human, I think. It's just that it's really, really hard to know what's really best. I eat food with nitrites/nitrates....not like crazy, but on occasion. I can't say that they make me feel bad and I seem to maintain my weight with them and rarely overeat foods that have them. I admit that making my own sausage sounds good, though, but only because of this "back of my mind" fear that placed there because someone wrote "may" in an article. Human nature kicks a.s (both good and bad). > :: Roger Zoul wrote: > ::: Joe the Aroma wrote: [quoted text clipped - 88 lines] > because of this "back of my mind" fear that placed there because someone > wrote "may" in an article. Human nature kicks a.s (both good and bad). Let me restate then, this is what Atkins said. He has 30 or so years experience with keto dieting... it's something to keep in mind. Personally I buy processed meat at organic stores, and other food at regular stores and I try to avoid nitrates. ::: trader4@optonline.net wrote: ::::: Roger Zoul wrote: [quoted text clipped - 94 lines] :: Let me restate then, this is what Atkins said. He has 30 or so years :: experience with keto dieting... it's something to keep in mind. So...the subject of nitrites/nitrates is not really keto dieting, and Aktins isn't god. :: Personally I buy processed meat at organic stores, and other food at :: regular stores and I try to avoid nitrates. Well, personal choice is a good thing. See my comments abovle. :: <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in message :: news:1141313842.358342.63860@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] :: Organic food stores have nitrite/nitrate free processed meat. Just be :: careful because it spoils faster. One can make sausage at home. Save expensive organic foods. Also, life's too damn short to worry about all this stuff that "may" cause problems. May, may, may, may, may, may......probably the most used word in the medical research literature. > I think most of us here are > eating products like bacon that contain nitrites. While I would agree > limiting them is likely a good thing, I wouldn't make things even > harder for a guy having trouble on induction. I agree, Trader. He's having trouble feeling lousy on induction. That's a pretty common occurrence, if not universal. But whether or not his bacon or sausage contains nitrates isn't going to make a difference in that. I'd say that once he is through induction and feeling better, that's a good time to start looking harder at the quality of the food you're eating. Maybe moseying on over to Whole Foods and finding preservative-free sausages and bacon, for instance. I agree with you, Dr. Atkins made this recommendation for good reason. But for a couple weeks getting into induction, it won't make much difference. HG || Incidentally, I hope that sausage you are eating is nitrate/nitrite || free. If it's not you are not "doing Atkins". He warns against || eating meats with those carcinogens. I completely ignore the nitrate lore. Bring me my bacon! May I point out that with all of the millions and millions of pounds of processed bacon that people have eaten over decades of time, not one single case of human cancer has ever been linked or traced to nitrate consumption. The whole nitrate-will-give-you-cancer myth is the same as the saccharine thing back in the 70's. It turned out not to apply to human beings. (And yes, Sweet n' low is my sweetener of choice also!) Peter :: not to apply to human beings. (And yes, Sweet n' low is my :: sweetener of choice also!) Yuck! :) > ive been on Induction for about 3 days. Then you're about in the middle of the detox time and all is as expected. > Youre right, the runny nose wasnt there the first time, so > it might be a cold. The first Induction lasted about a week, > lol, but this time im sticking with it. Different try, different detox wierdness. It happens. In under a week your detox will be past and you'll feel better than ever. > Sample menus...ok, heres what i ate today > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Snack- > 2 stalks celery, 1 Tbs sour cream It doesn't look like you're getting sufficient veggies. you aren't getting up anywhere near the quota of 20 for Induction. You'll note that this is a subject where folks disagree - What is and what isn't required on Induction. I'm in the required school on the topic. The schedule of carb quotas goes: 20, 20, 25, 30, 35 and so on by week. Thx for the advice,everyone. I probably eat a little more meat/cheese than I wrote, but ill definitely up my intake of high fiber veggies. Yeah im taking a multivitamin and a fish oil supplement daily. > Thx for the advice,everyone. > I probably eat a little more meat/cheese than I wrote, but ill > definitely up my intake of high fiber veggies. > Yeah im taking a multivitamin and a fish oil supplement daily. Good. Yep, Dr. Atkin's advice to those doing induction was that if you are feeling "washed out" you should eat an extra serving of low-carb vegetables. Maybe a serving of broccoli. He never really acknowledged how truly *awful* some people feel while going through induction - flu like symptoms, including nausea, aches and pains, headaches, etc. are common. But for many people just upping the amount of veggies a bit can make a big difference in how they feel. That was the case for me. HG > He never really acknowledged how truly *awful* > some people feel while going through induction ... I thought there was a mention that the worse you feel during detox the more you're likely to benefit from low carbing. Maybe it's from old discussions on support boards rather than in one of the editions of the book? :: Hannah Gruen wrote: ::: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] :: old discussions on support boards rather than in one of the :: editions of the book? I felt terrible during my first detox....however, I note no symptoms at all if I detox again. || Doug Freyburger wrote: |||| Hannah Gruen wrote: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] || I felt terrible during my first detox....however, I note no symptoms || at all if I detox again. Same here, Roger. I just went back to induction levels of carbs this week because my cholesterol was starting to creep back up a little. As a side effect, I've lost 8 pounds since Monday (today is Saturday) and I didn't experience any "Induction Flu" at all this time. > :: Hannah Gruen wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > I felt terrible during my first detox....however, I note no symptoms at all > if I detox again. Don't expect to be free of detox symptoms every time in the future, though. I've read reports from people who've started and stopped and started and stopped a bunch of times and each time it seems random whether they get detox symptoms and how much. Wierd stuff, like rolling the dice each reboot. :: Roger Zoul wrote: ::: Doug Freyburger wrote: [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] :: each time it seems random whether they get detox symptoms :: and how much. Wierd stuff, like rolling the dice each reboot. Not for me. As a bike rider and lifter, I've done carb ups and then detoxes over and over. I never have issues. Now, that advice may well apply to others. YMMV. >I thought there was a mention that the worse you feel during detox >the more you're likely to benefit from low carbing. Maybe it's from >old discussions on support boards rather than in one of the >editions of the book? No, I don't think it's in the book. I think it's one of those things that have been agreed upon in this ng. I know I've seen it said here more than once, by more than one person. I'm not sure I've seen that idea anywhere else. But I would guess that it's probably true, in general. Someone who is insulin resistant, and cuts way back on carbs, is going to have some significant hypo issues for at least a few days. I know I did. Having dealt with hypoglycemia for a loooooong time, I pretty well recognized that component. There are other issues, too, though. HG > Just like the first time, ive been feeling kinda ill. >Lightheaded, runny > nose, nauseous,lower >energy,hungry for carbs. I also feel a > burning sensation in my belly area. Hey Rick, This is the other Rick....Hang in there. This was my third time back to LC and it was rough for me for about a week. The runny nose is something else however...hope you didn't catch a cold. Rick Butch up. Have you read the FAQ? -- You take stupid to a new level. > Hey, this the newbie who used to post as Rick, i noticed there is > another Rick here already. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > described in the book. I hope not,im not ready to give up most > cheeses,soy sauce,worcestshire sauce,hot sauce,sour cream etc. <snip> Withdrawal symptoms. Tough it out, before long some of that carby stuff will make you ill at just the thought of it. > Hey, this the newbie who used to post as Rick, i noticed there is > another Rick here already. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > described in the book. I hope not,im not ready to give up most > cheeses,soy sauce,worcestshire sauce,hot sauce,sour cream etc. You eating veggies? Atkins has got a list of allowed veggies and they'll have the nutrients and potassium you need. Eat a serving at lunch and dinner. > Hey, this the newbie who used to post as Rick, i noticed there is > another Rick here already. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > described in the book. I hope not,im not ready to give up most > cheeses,soy sauce,worcestshire sauce,hot sauce,sour cream etc. If you lived out in the southwest, I'd say it sounds more like Valley Fever which is running higher than normal because of the dry weather. I'm sure its just the low-carb thing. I felt crappy when I inducted too. SignatureJoe W T2 Nov '05 (282/251/180) 30mg Actos, 3gr(1/2 tsp or 500mg pill) Cinnamon, Diet(>100 carbs) & 30 minute walk(everyday) & BowFlex 3x/week *****Diabetes, be proactive, not reactive.***** |
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