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Weight Loss Forum / Low Carb / March 2006Top 10 Nutritional Myths, Distortions and Lies That Will Destroy Your Health
Top 10 Nutritional Myths, Distortions and Lies That Will Destroy Your Health http://www.biblelife.org/myths.htm#medical "MEDICAL DISCLAIMER: All information is intended for your general knowledge only and is not a substitute for medical advice or treatment for specific medical conditions. You should seek prompt medical care for any specific health issues and consult your physician before starting a new fitness or nutrition regimen. The information contained in this online site and email is presented in summary form only and intended to provide broad consumer understanding and knowledge of dietary supplements. The information should not be considered complete and should not be used in place of a visit, call, consultation or advice of your physician or other health care provider. We do not recommend the self-management of health problems. Information obtained by using our services is not exhaustive and does not cover all diseases, ailments, physical conditions or their treatment. Should you have any health care related questions, please call or see your physician or other health care provider promptly. You should never disregard medical advice or delay in seeking it because of something you have read here. We strongly suggest you select a physician who is knowledgeable and supportive of the low-carbohydrate diet. Many of the physicians listed on this page have health clinics." "This web site will prove that eating red meat and natural animal fats while restricting carbohydrates is not only healthy but will prevent and cure many diseases." >From the page footing, this kooky site appears to be Christian oriented. What else wood you expect from the www.biblelife.org? I would ask this question: "Why would any faithful Christian be remotely interested in working on their health?" Don't Christians believe in Faith Healings? I must be able to do something with this web page. Perhaps, update my Food Faddism web page. Perhaps, respond individually to each of these kooky ideas somewhere on my web site. What do you guys think of these myths/garbage? Having just completed an accreditation seal update quick fix on my web site, I am off to purchase a bunch of dirt cheap videos. I shall repeat, what do you guys think of: http://www.biblelife.org/myths.htm#medical Well you have to love this. I posted this link last night in response to your request for information. Now since you have no valid rebuttal for it you're asking the rest of the group to do your work for you. If you want to rebut the items on that page, do so with your own links and your own knowledge. The fact that you're having to ask others to help you out has just greatly diminished any credibility you could have possibly had left in this group. If you're such a nutritional expert, rebutting the points on that page should have been very easy... almost second nature. As for the faith healing thing, I happen to be Christian and am capable of answering this question. Most of the Christians I know live by a motto that says "God helps those who help themselves." To my knowledge that saying is no where to be found verbatim in the Bible, but it is in keeping with the fact that God made us in his own image. If we were made in God's image, we obviously wouldn't be sitting around waiting for Him to do every little thing for us and make every little decision. We have to take some initiative on our own and only turn over to God the things which are out of our control. What we eat is 100% within our control, so again, your logic is illogical. Max. > Well you have to love this. I posted this link last night in response > to your request for information. Now since you have no valid rebuttal [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > expert, rebutting the points on that page should have been very easy... > almost second nature. You know, your comments are less than useless. But, we already knew this. I ended up buying a dozen videos from Goodwill. I got one on Fencing, as in sword play. It might come in handy if I ever run into you in person. Ha, ... Hah, Ha! I am still interested in the Ancient Egyptians. So, I am scanning neutral web pages from the education domain. The record is anything, but clear cut regarding grains causing diseases of affluence. Of course, I already knew that. :) Here is one example. http://www.uic.edu/classes/osci/osci590/11_1Epidemiology.htm That web pages states that the Egyptians wore out their teeth. And, ended up catching an infection. This could explain why most Egyptians died in their 30's? And, I came across a lot of stuff on parasites and infectious diseases. The ONLY web pages that mentioned heart diseases at all also stated that they clearly had an agenda to prove that agriculture caused a decline in health. That is hardly objective reporting of the data. Also, I need a lot more specific information. Who got these diseases of affluence, what was their diet, at what age did they die, what percentage of the population got a disease of affluence, etc., etc., etc.? You know, ... I need real evidence that I can cite on a web page. That means NO CONCLUSIONS. Just raw data. > I ended up buying a dozen videos from Goodwill. I got one on Fencing, > as in sword play. It might come in handy if I ever run into you in > person. Ha, ... Hah, Ha! Right, because you wear your foil everywhere you go, huh? :) Is it the whole Three Musketeers outfit too? > I am still interested in the Ancient Egyptians. So, I am scanning > neutral web pages from the education domain. The record is anything, > but clear cut regarding grains causing diseases of affluence. Of > course, I already knew that. :) But two things that *are* clear are what they ate (lots of unrefined, whole grains) and that they had a LOT of disease. This is in stark contrast to the groups studied by Weston Price. They were long-lived and very healthy. > Here is one example. > http://www.uic.edu/classes/osci/osci590/11_1Epidemiology.htm Now this is more like it. You're digging in and reading up on something you don't already know. I can respect that. > That web pages states that the Egyptians wore out their teeth. And, > ended up catching an infection. This could explain why most Egyptians > died in their 30's? Looks like the whole page discusses dental caries. I find this extremely interesting since Weston Price was able to perfectly match the health of those he studied with the quality of their teeth. If you didn't already know, he was a dentist, and practiced during a time in the US where we went from whole foods to refined foods. He saw more and more dental caries in his office and hypothesized that the foods were causing the caries. Since I am convinced that Weston Price's research hit the nail on the head when it comes to finding the right diet, a diet that would cause tooth decay or loss would, in my mind, be the wrong diet to promote good health. In addition to caries, he also documented the alignment of the teeth, making sure to note crowding, missing or extra teeth and the width of the arch. You may find this page an interesting read. It even has a couple of the photos Dr. Price took on his voyage. http://www.westonaprice.org/nutritiongreats/price.html You'll find many pages online saying that the ancient Egyptians did not have heart disease, but then you'll find just as many saying that the Egyptians didn't live long enough to get heart disease. Then, as I have already posted of course, you'll find others that show evidence in mummies that heart disease did exist. I appreciate your toning down this reply. I almost feel like we can have a healthy exchange of information now. Max. > As for the faith healing thing, I happen to be Christian and am capable > of answering this question. Most of the Christians I know live by a > motto that says "God helps those who help themselves." > ... > so again, your logic is illogical. Gee, I kind of thought that your above logic wasillogical. Christians are supposed to be interested in getting to heaven. If heaven is a done deal for you, why are you prolonging your journey? Not to mention that those who believe are supposed to be able to work miracles, like bringing the dead back to life. Sounds to me, that a simple laying upon hands would be a lot easier then all your current diet nonsense. Of course, if you lack the faith; you also lack the ability to perform miracles. Says so in the Bible. Just thought that the true believers in the audience might want to know what the Bible says. > Christians are supposed to be interested in getting to heaven. If > heaven is a done deal for you, why are you prolonging your journey? How would one shorten the journey and still make it to Heaven? > Not to mention that those who believe are supposed to be able to work > miracles, like bringing the dead back to life. Maybe I just missed it. Where in the Bible does it speak of anyone other than the Son of God raising the dead? > Of course, if you lack the faith; you also lack the ability to perform > miracles. Says so in the Bible. Not that I disagree with this statement, but if you're going to be so bold as to say that the Bible says something, you should be willing to post the passage that supports your statement. Honestly, I'm not really willing to chase you down this path in this news group. It's not appropriate material. If you want to get in to Biblical discussion, do so in an appropriate group. Honestly, though, I can't imagine any decent Christian siding with your position on religion either. > > Not to mention that those who believe are supposed to be able to work > > miracles, like bringing the dead back to life. > > Maybe I just missed it. Where in the Bible does it speak of anyone > other than the Son of God raising the dead? Oh, really??? See: Charismatics And The Greater Works Of John 14:12 http://allanturner.com/tongues.html "Furthermore, the apostles were able to perform miracles just as Jesus had done even raising the dead." See: Gift of Miracles http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10350a.htm "real miracles can never be performed by a sinner" Just thought that Christians were supposed to be more interested in heavenly matters than in clinging to physical life. > See: Charismatics And The Greater Works Of John 14:12 > http://allanturner.com/tongues.html > "Furthermore, the apostles were able to perform miracles just as Jesus > had done even raising the dead." Um, that's not what John 14:12 says. Cut and pasted from bible.com "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father." This would be one of those scriptures open to great interpritation, but when I searched for John 14:12 on Google, this was the first link in the results: http://www.megspace.com/religion/museltof/John.html >From that link: "But if we consider that Jesus was simply talking about the spreading of the Gospel and the influence which this would come to enjoy, we can say that Jesus' prophecy was absolutely and totally fulfilled!! When Jesus uttered those words, there were probably fewer than 15 believers in the Christ in this world and, indeed, even their faith would not be fully established until that momentous Pentecost!" > Just thought that Christians were supposed to be more interested in > heavenly matters than in clinging to physical life. So I guess we're establishing that you're NOT Christian then? One would have to assume. You seem to have a pretty narrow-minded view of how Christians should behave. The US was founded by strong Christians. Do you think they just sat back and let the country establish itself? Again, I don't care to argue the Bible with you on this new group. It's inappropriate. Besides, you seem very underequiped to debate the subject anyway. Max. >> See: Charismatics And The Greater Works Of John 14:12 >> http://allanturner.com/tongues.html [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > how Christians should behave. The US was founded by strong Christians. > Do you think they just sat back and let the country establish itself? I agree with you that the poster in question is no Christian, but I beg to differ on your statement that this country was "founded by strong Christians." Most of the founding fathers were Deists, who are distinctly NOT Christians, strong or otherwise.  Signature--Rich Recommended websites: http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles http://www.acahf.org.au http://www.quackwatch.org/ http://www.skeptic.com/ http://www.csicop.org/ || I agree with you that the poster in question is no Christian, but I || beg to differ on your statement that this country was "founded by || strong Christians." Most of the founding fathers were Deists, who || are distinctly NOT Christians, strong or otherwise. || -- True; I did a college research paper on this subject many years ago. Most people would be surprised to learn that Washington, Jefferson, Payne, Franklin, Adams and most of the other founding Patriots were Diests by faith, with very different beliefs from what is thought of as Christianity today. They believed that God set all things in motion but then left man to decide his own destiny. They did not believe that God intervened in day to day events or lives. Well, as I said, I have no intentions on getting in to that debate in this group. I just feel that if you're going to be quoting the Bible, you should at least get it right. > So I guess we're establishing that you're NOT Christian then? One > would have to assume. You seem to have a pretty narrow-minded view of > how Christians should behave. The US was founded by strong Christians. > Do you think they just sat back and let the country establish itself? So, the gutless wonder who does not know what the Bible says. The sinner who cannot perform miracles even though the Bible says that all true believers can; accuses me of not being a Christain. Ooooh! Sure, Buddy. I am neither mentally ill, nor a hypocrite like you obviously is. Just thought that you might want to know that you are just a sinner who cannot perform miracles. Can you speak in tongues? What exactly can you do other than complain? Wow... took you 2 whole days to come up with that reply, huh? Looks like those grains are destroying your reading comprehension... or possibly your typing speed "... like you obviously is." ? Grains aren't doing much for your grammar either. I *WOULD* say you can come up with better insults than that, but I've seen what you're capable of... and I really don't think you can. Max. > Wow... took you 2 whole days to come up with that reply, huh? Looks > like those grains are destroying your reading comprehension... or [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Max. http://www.biblelife.org/myths.htm#medical Is evidence alright. It is evidence of your mental illness. :( You have my condolences. "Mr-Natural-Health" <johngohde@naturalhealthperspective.com> wrote in > What do you guys think of these myths/garbage? Seems you have already drawn your own conclusion! Why don't you mind your own business or at least take the Low Carb NG of your cross posting list. On Sun, 05 Mar 2006 20:56:10 GMT, DB wrote in <news:KfIOf.18844$rL5.9056@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net> on sci.med.nutrition,alt.support.diet.low-carb,alt.support.diet.paleolithic,misc.health.alternative > "Mr-Natural-Health" <johngohde@naturalhealthperspective.com> wrote in > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Why don't you mind your own business or at least take the Low Carb NG of > your cross posting list. Well, apart from the low-carb vs. high-carb issue, the guy who wrote that "top ten myths" web page also writes... . QUOTE http://www.biblelife.org/myths.htm "As a teenager on a farm the author was literally drenched in pesticides including DDT, Malathion and two others. [...] Yet, I continue to be in perfect health with absolutely no discernable effect from the pesticide overdose. Maybe the pesticides prevent cancer, heart disease, diabetes and IBS." UNQUOTE X'Posted to: sci.med.nutrition,alt.support.diet.low-carb,alt.support.diet.paleolithic,misc.health.alternative > On Sun, 05 Mar 2006 20:56:10 GMT, DB wrote in > <news:KfIOf.18844$rL5.9056@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net> on [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > heart disease, diabetes and IBS." > UNQUOTE He must be a true believer, unlike our friend? Ha, ... Hah, Ha! Great if you want to spend all your money on food and traveling the country looking for safe sources of raw milk. But, for anybody normal ... How about a normal diet designed for normal people to eat who actually want a life, rather than just live in order to eat some kooky diet! http://naturalhealthperspective.com/food/whole-grains.html -- John Gohde, Achieving good Nutrition is an Art, NOT a Science! The nutrition of eating a healthy diet is a biological factor of the mind-body connection. Now, weighing in at 18 web pages, the Nutrition of a Healthy Diet is with more documentation and sharper terminology than ever before. http://naturalhealthperspective.com/food/ <snip> > Now, weighing in at 18 web pages, the > Nutrition of a Healthy Diet is with more documentation and > sharper terminology than ever before. <snipcrap> Hm. Would that, I wonder, be the "sharp terminology" this, er, person, used when he wrote: "Well, then. Go f.ck a nigger and make a lot of nigger babies and see if I care. Nigger lover. :) ". Great if you want to spend all your money on food and traveling the country looking for safe sources of raw milk. But, for anybody normal ... How about a normal diet designed for normal people to eat who actually want a life, rather than just live in order to eat some kooky diet! http://naturalhealthperspective.com/food/whole-grains.html -- John Gohde, Achieving good Nutrition is an Art, NOT a Science! The nutrition of eating a healthy diet is a biological factor of the mind-body connection. Now, weighing in at 18 web pages, the Nutrition of a Healthy Diet is with more documentation and sharper terminology than ever before. http://naturalhealthperspective.com/food/ <snip> > Now, weighing in at 18 web pages, the > Nutrition of a Healthy Diet is with more documentation and > sharper terminology than ever before. <snipcrap> Hm. Would that, I wonder, be the "sharp terminology" this, er, person, used when he wrote: "Well, then. Go f.ck a nigger and make a lot of nigger babies and see if I care. Nigger lover. :) ". Just thought people ought to know. |
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