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Natasha Silverman - 08 Mar 2006 18:13 GMT
Hi there

I'm on my third day of Atkins and am hoping you guys could clear up
some questions for me..

Typically, how long does it take before the weight starts coming off?
Should I expect to notice a difference anytime soon?

Also...if you're allowed 20g of carbs per day, are you allowed to have,
say, a 15g chocolate bar if you don't go over the 20g? I feel this is
just wishful thinking..!

Lastly, should I expect side effects in the initial stages? I feel
really lethargic and with an ongoing headache, is this likely to be
connected?

Thanks, Natasha
Pat in TX - 08 Mar 2006 18:21 GMT
> Typically, how long does it take before the weight starts coming off?
> Should I expect to notice a difference anytime soon?

Wait to weigh yourself until the 2 weeks is up. Make up your mind to do it
full-bore for 2 weeks. If you weigh yourself sooner, the doubts will start
in and your resolve will waiver. So, say to yourself: I am in this for 14
days no matter what! and keep to it. You'll get results.

> Also...if you're allowed 20g of carbs per day, are you allowed to have,
> say, a 15g chocolate bar if you don't go over the 20g? I feel this is
> just wishful thinking..!

No. Stick to the Atkins' program. You DO have the book, right?

> Lastly, should I expect side effects in the initial stages? I feel
> really lethargic and with an ongoing headache, is this likely to be
> connected?

Some people have lethargy and some don't. I didn't have a headache. Have you
taken any Tylenol? Make sure you are drinking plenty of water. Sometimes, I
get a headache if I am the least bit dehydrated.

Oh--and if you feel hungry before you go to sleep at night? Go brush your
teeth and gargle with some Listerine-type liquid. You won't feel like eating
anything after doing that.

Pat in TX
Roger Zoul - 08 Mar 2006 18:58 GMT
:: Hi there
::
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
:: Typically, how long does it take before the weight starts coming off?
:: Should I expect to notice a difference anytime soon?

Different people get different results.  You'll likely notice something
after a week or so.

:: Also...if you're allowed 20g of carbs per day, are you allowed to
:: have, say, a 15g chocolate bar if you don't go over the 20g? I feel
:: this is just wishful thinking..!

Did you read the book?  Only certain foods are allowed on induction and
chocolate is not one of them (well, depending on who you believe).  But
you're right, you can't be eating sweets while trying to do atkins - it
defeats the purpose of induction.

:: Lastly, should I expect side effects in the initial stages? I feel
:: really lethargic and with an ongoing headache, is this likely to be
:: connected?

This will pass....if you can't hold out, eat some more low carb veggies.

:: Thanks, Natasha
trader4@optonline.net - 08 Mar 2006 19:30 GMT
Do yourself a favor and get the Atkins book.   You're in the induction
phase and how to do induction is a very short chapter.  If you read
that, you wouldn't be asking about eating chocolate on induction.
There is a short list of foods, and chocolate isn't on it.

Sorry if this seems blunt, but if you're asking that question, it's
very likely there is a whole lot more that you are doing that is wrong.
Many people claim they tried Atkins, but it didn't work.  In reality,
they never ever tried to do it right.  Don't be one of them,
Saffire - 08 Mar 2006 20:01 GMT
> Hi there
Hi Natasha, welcome to the group!

> Typically, how long does it take before the weight starts coming off?
> Should I expect to notice a difference anytime soon?

You should start seeing some loss any time now.  However, MOST of the
initial loss in the first week or so will be water weight.  That's
because your body will be using up the emergency store of glycogen in
your liver BEFORE it starts to burn fat for fuel.  Each molecule of
glycogen has about 4 molecule of water bound to it, so as it's used up,
the water is shed.

> Also...if you're allowed 20g of carbs per day, are you allowed to have,
> say, a 15g chocolate bar if you don't go over the 20g? I feel this is
> just wishful thinking..!

Definitely wishful thinking :-)  If an item is not included in the list
of Acceptable Foods for induction, then it is unacceptable.  

> Lastly, should I expect side effects in the initial stages? I feel
> really lethargic and with an ongoing headache, is this likely to be
> connected?

This is common for some people during induction.  Just hang in there and
it should subside soon.  In the next day or two, in fact, you'll
probably experience a surprising burst of energy and alertness.  I
didn't have a headache during induction, but I WAS tired.  Did you also
quit coffee or some other source of caffeine?  That can result in MAJOR
headaches.  

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Natasha Silverman - 08 Mar 2006 20:43 GMT
Saffire- thank you for your more welcoming response.

I haven't bought the book yet (as you can most probably tell) as to be
honest, I've had very little luck when it comes to dieting and so
didn't want to invest in yet another weightloss book in fear it will
end up being just another book in my collection of diet fads I'm unable
to stick to. Although  this time, so far, so good!

So until I've acquired the book...please excuse my embarrassing
questions!

Yes, I've cut out coffee and tea (you've heard about us Britons and our
tea... I'm almost struggling without that as much as I am chocolate!).
So maybe your theory is right and the headaches are due to that.

I've read on some threads saying that Diet Coke is actually OK to drink
(the can says it contains *no* carbs).. do you know if this is
acceptable during induction? I've heard about Diet-Rite on some
newsgroups too, but this seems to be unavailable in the UK. Shame, as
the lethargy is making me want caffeine more than ever!

Also, black tea? Yay or nay? (Again this is probably wishful thinking!)

Thanks, Natasha
trader4@optonline.net - 08 Mar 2006 21:02 GMT
> Saffire- thank you for your more welcoming response.
>
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>
> Thanks, Natasha

This is unbelievable.  Instead of spending $6 on a paper back book, or
borrowing one at the library, you rather start doing something
half-assed and expect to have the whole Atkins plan explained to you in
a newsgroup?

Please do us all a favor and don;t go around telling people you are
doing Atkins.
Natasha Silverman - 08 Mar 2006 21:18 GMT
I don't expect that at all!

God knows I've looked at enough websites to gain a good enough idea
into what I'm doing. I'm simply looking for additional information-
i.e. side effects- I VERY much doubt the Atkins book would give you an
entirely truthful list of side effects? It would hardly encourage
potential atkin-dieters!

Anyway, I was under the impression this newsgroup is here for advice
and support- it seems your the only one reluctant to give that!
Perhaps if you were a student living away at uni, as I am, you'd be
less ready to spend out on various diet books.
Roger Zoul - 08 Mar 2006 21:51 GMT
:: I don't expect that at all!
::
:: God knows I've looked at enough websites to gain a good enough idea
:: into what I'm doing. I'm simply looking for additional information-
:: i.e. side effects- I VERY much doubt the Atkins book would give you
:: an entirely truthful list of side effects?

It does actually. Invest the $6....forget that you have a bunch of diet
books.  Knowledge is power.

:: It would hardly encourage
:: potential atkin-dieters!

Not true.

:: Anyway, I was under the impression this newsgroup is here for advice
:: and support- it seems your the only one reluctant to give that!
:: Perhaps if you were a student living away at uni, as I am, you'd be
:: less ready to spend out on various diet books.

Well, think of this as a long term investment in YOU.  Don't let this notion
that you've done this before and it didn't work.  If you think like that
you'll never succeed.  You just have to keep trying until you find what
works for you.

And since you haven't read the book let me tell you this: If Atkins (or low
carb) works for you, you'll need to do it for the rest of your life to
maintain your weight loss.  So if you can't think in those terms, you may
wish to not even bother.
Marengo - 09 Mar 2006 06:29 GMT
|| Natasha Silverman wrote:
|||| I don't expect that at all!
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|| It does actually. Invest the $6....forget that you have a bunch of
|| diet books.  Knowledge is power.

What Roger said.

The Atkins plan is very easy to follow when you're armed with the basics and
for those you need to read the book and use it as a reference source until
you get accustomed to what you can and can't eat.  But a low-carb plan
canalso be very difficult and frustrating without reading the book first.
Things aren't always as you would assume, and you need that foundation.
It's not much of an investment, you can get the paperback edition of 'Dr.
Atkins New Diet Revolution' at WalMart for $4.95.  The book is a fast and
interesting read, and yes, he is meticulous in pointing out the bad with the
good -- althought here's not much bad and the side effects are almost all
beneficial.

Wlcome to ASDLC and good luck to you Natasha!
Dick Yuknavech - 08 Mar 2006 21:58 GMT
>I don't expect that at all!
>
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>Perhaps if you were a student living away at uni, as I am, you'd be
>less ready to spend out on various diet books.

Here comes my advice/opinion (emphasis on opinion): the book is
emormously valuable, not so much for the "how" chapters as for the "why"
chapter. If fact, Dr. A forbids you to read the later chapters before
reading the introduction. From your use of the word "uni" I'm assuming
that you're in the UK, where I've noticed that books and software seem
to be more expensive than here in the US. Do you have access to a
library?

As to your questions about side-effects and such, they've been addressed
by others in this thread, and accurately as far as I can tell.

A swift *WATER* weight loss is the norm. "Norm" does not mean everyone,
of course.

Lethargy and other discomforts are not guaranteed to happen, but do
happen to some. Think of it as something similar to kicking a drug habit
for those first two weeks. First 4-5 days, more likely.

For me, my morning cup (mug, rather) of coffee was entirely
non-negotiable. I'd druther die than give that up. Used evaporated milk
and Splenda in it too. I (again, as always, your mileage my vary)
experienced no difficulty with that. But again, some people have
reported problems from caffeine. My instinct is to look for some other
explanation. By the way - if I can't have my morning caffeine I'd fully
expect  lethargy and headache. Maybe that's part of what you're seeing.

Anyway, good luck. If you do this thing right, it works.

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Saffire - 09 Mar 2006 06:30 GMT
> Here comes my advice/opinion (emphasis on opinion): the book is
> emormously valuable, not so much for the "how" chapters as for the "why"
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> to be more expensive than here in the US. Do you have access to a
> library?

I agree about the book.  I see them all the time at used books/thrift
stores for anywhere from 25 cents to $2.  

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Noway2 - 08 Mar 2006 23:09 GMT
When I starterd an LC program the first time,  I felt fine for about
three days and then all of a sudden I felt terrible for about a week.
Thankfully this ended and I started feeling better than before I
started.  For the next few weeks, though, if I did anything even semi
strenuous I would usually crash and sleep for 1 -3 hours.  For some
reason this also seemed to be followed by a significant drop in weight
the next day that stayed off.

The second time I starrted on LC, I wasn't as strict at first.  My
focus, however, wasn't so much about the weight issues as it was the I
was tired of feeling so poorly.  I avoided all the sugary, starchy junk
but I did add in small amounts of things such as beans or other not
strictly low carb foods.  As a result, the weight drop was slower, but
I started to feel better starting the first day and didn't experience
any crashing sensation.

It is also possible that your headaches are attributable to the caffein
deprivation, if you have been giving up your tea.  After I had been LC
for a while, I gave up the caffein and found that doing so didn't
bother me a bit.  You might want to consider holding off on doing so
yourself.  I personally thought that the dietary change was a radical
enough move for me to make at one time.
Pat in TX - 08 Mar 2006 23:44 GMT
Go to a used book store and buy the book. I know they have those in the UK
because I buy books that way by mail. You NEED this book. Without it, you
are just bumping around in the dark and setting yourself up for failure.

Pat in TX
Ernst Primer - 09 Mar 2006 00:54 GMT
> I don't expect that at all!
>
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> Perhaps if you were a student living away at uni, as I am, you'd be
> less ready to spend out on various diet books.

  Just get the damn thing from the library and skim it. You don't need
to do anything more than that. That's what I did, and I'm 60 pounds
lighter because of it.
DB - 09 Mar 2006 05:12 GMT
"Natasha Silverman" <natasha.silverman@btopenworld.com> wrote in

> Anyway, I was under the impression this newsgroup is here for advice
> and support- it seems your the only one reluctant to give that!
> Perhaps if you were a student living away at uni, as I am, you'd be
> less ready to spend out on various diet books.

Natasha, you cannot afford not to buy this book, it's like and owners manual
for your body!

This group is here for support, but not to solve obvious questions!

Believe me, this is my second time around doing Atkins and it really does
work.
I was foolish enough to get back into my old habits and now I'm paying the
price again, but at least I have the power and knowledge to take control of
my appetite and feed my body what it really needs.

cheers

DB
BTW, I'll be breaking free of the 50's by the weekend and working on getting
out of the 40's by the end of April! :-)

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Doug Freyburger - 09 Mar 2006 06:53 GMT
> I don't expect that at all!

That's okay.  Not a lot of people start out understanding how
it's different from so many other plan types.  Atkins is a
fully customized process that contains a number of points
that are very non-obvious.  It takes the book to know what
the directions are and acts of faith to step out and follow
them.

> God knows I've looked at enough websites to gain a good enough idea
> into what I'm doing.

Once the good doctor died and the Atkins Nutritionals
company took over control of the website, the quality of
the material there started to fall.  They sell products not
books, and they've since had enough financial issues
that the site isn't as well maintained as some would like.

> I'm simply looking for additional information-
> i.e. side effects- I VERY much doubt the Atkins book would give you an
> entirely truthful list of side effects? It would hardly encourage
> potential atkin-dieters!

Side effects are discussed in the book.  They have to be
or folks would freak out.

> Anyway, I was under the impression this newsgroup is here for advice
> and support- it seems your the only one reluctant to give that!

No, it's that support requires some amount of starting point.
Without the book you don't have the background yet.

> Perhaps if you were a student living away at uni, as I am, you'd be
> less ready to spend out on various diet books.

When I was a student in a dorm I spent money on a lot more
frivolous stuff than a book that ended up permanently improving
my health.
J. S. Ardman - 14 Mar 2006 07:15 GMT
>I don't expect that at all!
>
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> Perhaps if you were a student living away at uni, as I am, you'd be
> less ready to spend out on various diet books.

I had a friend who complained about constipation.  She had to use one of
those high fiber drinks several times a day.
Saffire - 09 Mar 2006 06:25 GMT
> Yes, I've cut out coffee and tea (you've heard about us Britons and our
> tea... I'm almost struggling without that as much as I am chocolate!).
> So maybe your theory is right and the headaches are due to that.

I'm of the opinion that stopping caffeine should be done by tapering off
slowly, specifically BECAUSE of the headaches.  I know -- I've
occasionally gotten hooked on coffee over the years and suffered
excruciating headaches when I went without for more than about 36 hours
until I figured it out.  Many people here have done just fine without
quitting their coffee at all, so YMMV.  It's a good idea to reduce
caffeine as much as possible, but it doesn't have to make you miserable
in the process.  The black tea probably has caffeine, so you could try
mixing it with decaf black tea for a while, and slowly changing the mix
to more and more decaf and less and less of the other.  Some people get
a blood sugar spike (and thus appetite increase) from caffeine, why is
why Dr. Atkins recommended cutting it out.  

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Aaron Baugher - 09 Mar 2006 22:42 GMT
> I haven't bought the book yet (as you can most probably tell) as to
> be honest, I've had very little luck when it comes to dieting and so
> didn't want to invest in yet another weightloss book in fear it will
> end up being just another book in my collection of diet fads I'm
> unable to stick to. Although this time, so far, so good!

I saw two paperback copies at Goodwill the other day for 50 cents
each.  My local library also has a few copies, as well as _Protein
Power_ and several other low-carb books.  You can create your own
low-carb diet by reading this newsgroup and the wealth of information
online (that's how I got started), but in that case, you shouldn't say
you're "doing Atkins," because that means something specific.

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LC Scotty - 09 Mar 2006 01:08 GMT
Natasha wrote:

<Hi there

I'm on my third day of Atkins and am hoping you guys could clear up
some questions for me..

Typically, how long does it take before the weight starts coming off?
Should I expect to notice a difference anytime soon?

Also...if you're allowed 20g of carbs per day, are you allowed to have,

say, a 15g chocolate bar if you don't go over the 20g? I feel this is
just wishful thinking..!

Lastly, should I expect side effects in the initial stages? I feel
really lethargic and with an ongoing headache, is this likely to be
connected?

Thanks, Natasha >

Hiya Natasha,

Please get the book.  Even if you don't buy it, I'm certain it's in a
library someplace for you to borrow.  It's a well written easy read,
and it will answer most of your questions about what to or not to eat.
He also goes into great detail about what sort of supplements you
should be taking to ensure proper nutrition on this restrictive
(induction) diet.

My experiences?  If I don't exercise, I don't lose.  Since I am about
135 pounds overweight, this is a bit unusual, but as we say here YMMV.
With moderate exercise, I average about 1-2 pounds per week loss.  For
the first two weeks, it is always higher.  I get headaches with
exertion early on, but they clear up.  I find that plenty of water, a
potassium and calcium supplement in adition to a standard multi-vit
helps a lot.

Good luck, and stay the course.
JC Der Koenig - 09 Mar 2006 02:46 GMT
Do you really believe that eating chocolate bars will help you reach your
goal?

Once again: obesity = idiocy.

> Hi there
>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> Thanks, Natasha
abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz - 09 Mar 2006 03:21 GMT
=>Hi there
=>
=>I'm on my third day of Atkins and am hoping you guys could clear up
=>some questions for me..
=>
=>Typically, how long does it take before the weight starts coming off?
=>Should I expect to notice a difference anytime soon?
=>
=>Also...if you're allowed 20g of carbs per day, are you allowed to have,
=>say, a 15g chocolate bar if you don't go over the 20g? I feel this is
=>just wishful thinking..!
=>
=>Lastly, should I expect side effects in the initial stages? I feel
=>really lethargic and with an ongoing headache, is this likely to be
=>connected?

Check the salt content of your food.

=>
=>Thanks, Natasha

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