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Weight Loss Forum / Low Carb / March 2006How not to eat
I don't usually cross-post, but I am going to post this message both to this newsgroup and to one of the diabetes groups. I was diagnosed with T2 in June of 2004, and that is what led me toward a reduction in carbs (although my diet is not truly low-carb). I am giving exams this week and wanted to take a book to read while students are working on their exams. Bernstein is high on my list of "want to read" books, but I didn't want to carry anything that heavy (literally and figuratively) with me, so I picked a very small book from the many unread paperbacks on my bookshelf. This one is called "Understanding Diabetes," by Marie Clark. Wow! Talk about bad advice. For example, I found this advice on page 72: "Base your meals on starchy foods -- fill up on these. This means such foods as bread, potatoes, rich, pasta, noodles, oats, crackers, breakfast cereals. These all provide starch, fibre, vitamins (especially B) and minerals." Then, on page 77, I found this: "Some airlines offer 'special diabetic' meals on the plane. It is actually better to avoid them because they can be low in carbohydrate -- caterers often do not realize that balance is the main thing, not cutting down on carbohydrate. Also it is a good idea to take extra caroyhdrate in your hand lugage." I still have a lot to learn, but I have learned enough to know where this book should go. Into the trash! MaryL It's funny (not ha ha funny, but wierd funny) how many of those books are out there, including the diabetes cookbooks. Pretty unbelievable IMO. -- Cheri MaryL wrote in message ... >I don't usually cross-post, but I am going to post this message both to this >newsgroup and to one of the diabetes groups. I was diagnosed with T2 in [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > >MaryL > It's funny (not ha ha funny, but wierd funny) how many of those books > are out there, including the diabetes cookbooks. Pretty unbelievable [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > > > >MaryL I've never been able to figure out how they came to these grossly mistaken recommendations to begin with. I don't have diabetes and I'm certainly no expert on it. But it would seem to me that if you have a problem with insulin, and blood sugar goes higher than it should, one of the most obvious things would be to try to avoid those foods that have a direct and immediate impact on blood sugar, ie those foods high in sugar and starch. So, why would anyone ever have told diabetics to chow down on starchy foods? :: Cheri wrote: ::: It's funny (not ha ha funny, but wierd funny) how many of those [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] :: ie those foods high in sugar and starch. So, why would anyone ever :: have told diabetics to chow down on starchy foods? Because meat has fat and fat is bad. So eat veggies and low fat stuff, not matter if they are starchy. >Because meat has fat and fat is bad. So eat veggies and low fat stuff, not >matter if they are starchy. That's it - exactly. It's tied in with the lipid-chd hypothesis and also with fear that too much protein will harm diabetic kidneys (ignoring the fact that if bg levels are kept low, such damage doesn't occur.) My guess would be that based on these concepts, advocacy of a diet that is not low in fat and protein would be considered "irresponsible" in many circles. Thus expedient to feed lotsa carbs and use pharmacology to lower insulin/bg levels. Right. And we see how well that has been working from the article Roger posted yesterday. HG > It's funny (not ha ha funny, but wierd funny) how many of those books > are out there, including the diabetes cookbooks. Pretty unbelievable > IMO. > > -- > Cheri Yes, I soon learned that. I ordered several "diabetic" cookbooks through Amazon.com, and soon found that I needed to have a book in hand and look through it before buying it. Most of the cookbooks I bought "sight-unseen" include potatoes in almost everything! MaryL :: I don't usually cross-post, but I am going to post this message both :: to this newsgroup and to one of the diabetes groups. I was [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] :: :: MaryL Amazing. What is the background of the author? Was this book published recently (as in, the last 10 years)? > :: I don't usually cross-post, but I am going to post this message both > :: to this newsgroup and to one of the diabetes groups. I was [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > Amazing. What is the background of the author? Was this book published > recently (as in, the last 10 years)? The book has a copyright date of 2004. Dr. Marie Clark is descirbed as "a chartered health psychologist" (rather an unusual description!) who "understands why it is sometimes hard to follow good advice." I can easily detect the original date of a book simply by looking at the back of the cover page, but this one does not list a series of copyright dates, as is common. However, I noted reference to 1951 following the author's name at the bottom of the page under "Library of Congress Cataloguing-in-Publication data." My suspicion is that the book is an older book that has been republished with new copyright date without changing any of the data. Maybe someone here with more library background can verify (or negate) that inference. The book was published in the UK. MaryL > The book has a copyright date of 2004. Dr. Marie Clark is descirbed as "a > chartered health psychologist" (rather an unusual description!) who [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > MaryL It wouldn't have to be old. There was an article in the magazine section of the Sunday paper recently talking about health issue affecting an aging population and one of the key problems was diabetes. The so called Dr. who was provinding the suggestions for what to do, was crowing a "low fat / high carbohydrate" diet. Hmmm, am I missing something here? Must be the fat that makes you get fat and being fat causes you to get diabetes. Sorry, I can hardly keep from laughing as I write this. > > The book has a copyright date of 2004. Dr. Marie Clark is descirbed as "a > > chartered health psychologist" (rather an unusual description!) who [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Sorry, I can hardly keep from laughing as I write this. [snip] I'm groaning. Dude, this lady is a *psychologist*? Writing *diet* *books*??? Clearly a quack. Arrrggg. And people wonder why psychologists are looked down upon. For f**cks sake. I'm a psychologist, by the way... and also, by the way, while psychologists can certainly do a lot of things very competently, they should NOT to be looked at as unqualified experts in medicine or nutrition, period - they are neither physicians nor nutritionists by training, and they probably really should know better than to pretend otherwise. Just my two cents. I'll look up the author on some of my library databases if I find myself procrastinating further today..... > Dude, this lady is a *psychologist*? Writing *diet* *books*??? > Clearly a quack. Right. Writing about "fix your head" might be a different thing. A psychologist would be a good canditate to write a book on that important topic. || I don't usually cross-post, but I am going to post this message both || to this newsgroup and to one of the diabetes groups. I was [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] || || MaryL The institutional ignorance is amazing, isn't it? People tend to ask advice from wrong people and get the wrong answer. If you want to ask questions regarding food & nutrition and are expecting a good advice, make sure you ask a person with food, nutrition and biochemistry background. They might not know everything, but at least they know where to look for the answer. I can not imagine a psychologist or a medical doctor studying food, nutrition and biochemistry during their college years. It takes lots of brain cells and sleepless nights to study their own courses. --- The more we know, the less we know. k 1 6 8 9 a t h o t m a i l d o t c o m My Doc told me to cut out Starchy foods, noodles, Pasta, Rice and White Bread.. Whole Grains in Modiration. >I don't usually cross-post, but I am going to post this message both to this >newsgroup and to one of the diabetes groups. I was diagnosed with T2 in [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > >MaryL > My Doc told me .. Whole Grains in Modiration. Is that a new recipe? What is this "modiration" you speak of? It's like a Twinkie only with whole grains. In news:dNIRf.619$4L1.442@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com, JC Der Koenig <jcderkoenig@ibm.com> stated || My Doc told me .. Whole Grains in Modiration. || | Is that a new recipe? | | What is this "modiration" you speak of? Moderation. Learn it. Live it. Love it. > It's like a Twinkie only with whole grains. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > | > | What is this "modiration" you speak of? |
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