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thrid time on Atkins.Its not working .

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r3bell@gmail.com - 14 Mar 2006 09:09 GMT
Hey

The first I tried atkins a couple of  years ago. Lost like 15 pounds in
the induction phase and kept losing weight . I left it cause i had
reached my weight goal. After a year of eating carbs I was back at
square one so I did it again . This time again  I lost like the same
weight but had to leave te diest again ( this time i had surgery). This
time is my most serious attempt yet but I am not losing any weight .
Its only been 10 days ( but that is the whole point of atkins you
actually see results so you keep up the diet ) . Anyways the only thing
I am doing different this time is that I am excercizing a lot more.Gym
everyday for one and a half hours  plus taking some weight loss
supplements ( my blood pressure is insane right now ) . Just wondering
if going to the gym might be the reason its not working right now. I
saw another posting which said this was the case. I mean if it is do I
actually start losing weight eventually or should I quit going to the
Gym.
Any suggetions would be helpful
Btw
Could someone tell me if mayonnaise is allowed ?
Roger Zoul - 14 Mar 2006 13:25 GMT
:: Hey
::
:: The first I tried atkins a couple of  years ago. Lost like 15 pounds
:: in the induction phase and kept losing weight . I left it cause i had
:: reached my weight goal.

Then you weren't doing Atkins. You don't ever leave it because you reached
your goal weight.  You stay on it for exactly that reason.

After a year of eating carbs I was back at
:: square one so I did it again . This time again  I lost like the same
:: weight but had to leave te diest again ( this time i had surgery).

You have established the pattern of a yo-yo dieter.

:: This time is my most serious attempt yet but I am not losing any
:: weight . Its only been 10 days ( but that is the whole point of
:: atkins you actually see results so you keep up the diet ) .

That is not the whole point of Atkins.  The initial weight loss is mostly
water weight anyway.

Anyways
:: the only thing I am doing different this time is that I am
:: excercizing a lot more.Gym everyday for one and a half hours  plus
:: taking some weight loss supplements ( my blood pressure is insane
:: right now ) .

What weight loss supplements?  What do they have to do with your BP?

Just wondering if going to the gym might be the reason
:: its not working right now. I saw another posting which said this was
:: the case. I mean if it is do I actually start losing weight
:: eventually or should I quit going to the Gym.

No, don't quit going to the gym.  You might just be holding more water in
the muscles due to the new stimulation.

What you need to do is post some menus here to make sure you're doing
induction right (frankly, I don't believe you know how Atkins is done).
Then you need to stick to the program for way longer than 10 days.  You need
to tell use your gender, weight, and height (age helps too).

:: Any suggetions would be helpful
:: Btw
:: Could someone tell me if mayonnaise is allowed ?

Did you buy to book?  Atkins is very clear on what foods are allowed on
induction. The book can be had for very little.
trader4@optonline.net - 14 Mar 2006 14:19 GMT
> :: Hey
> ::
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>
> What weight loss supplements?  What do they have to do with your BP?

That's what I was wondering too.  If your blood pressure is insane,
that's serious and you should be on a prescription drug for that, not
supplements.  And according to Atkins, blood pressure medications, beta
blockers, diuretics,  are high on the list of drugs that can slow or
prevent weight loss.

> Just wondering if going to the gym might be the reason
> :: its not working right now. I saw another posting which said this was
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> No, don't quit going to the gym.  You might just be holding more water in
> the muscles due to the new stimulation.

I've noticed this effect myself.  It seems if I've been excercising,
when I weigh myself the next day or two, it's rare to see my weight go
down.   Far more likely to bounce up a pound or two or remain flat.

> What you need to do is post some menus here to make sure you're doing
> induction right (frankly, I don't believe you know how Atkins is done).
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> Did you buy to book?  Atkins is very clear on what foods are allowed on
> induction. The book can be had for very little.

I second that advice.  The book covers all that we just discussed here
in great detail.
Doug Freyburger - 14 Mar 2006 20:53 GMT
> The first I tried atkins a couple of  years ago. Lost like 15 pounds in
> the induction phase and kept losing weight .

Did you follow all four phases and continue to lose like it
says in the directions, or did you stay on Induction and
continue to lose?  My point is that the 4th phase is
called "Maintenance" and there's a reason for that.

> I left it cause i had  reached my weight goal.

Isn't that rather like saying the pain stopped so you resumed
hitting yourself with a hammer?  Just in case you don't know
the biggest open secret in the dieting world - The ones who
don't quit are the ones who are successfull.

> After a year of eating carbs I was back at
> square one so I did it again .

That's called yoyo dieting.  It runs against the directions in
the book.  Do you know the title is "Doctor Atkins New Diet
Revolution"?  Edition 1972 doesn't have the word New.
Editions 1993, 1999 and 2002 do.

> This time again  I lost like the same
> weight but had to leave te diest again ( this time i had surgery).

Surgery is not a reason to exit the plan.  Few hospitals will
feed you At-food while you're in there but being forced
off-proccess for a while does *not* equal quiting.

> This
> time is my most serious attempt yet but I am not losing any weight .

In reality it is your least serious attempt.  Think about it.
When you can explain why my statement is true, then you
will be ready for a serious attempt.

> Its only been 10 days ( but that is the whole point of atkins you
> actually see results so you keep up the diet ) .

Why are you even on the scale in only 10 days?

> Anyways the only thing
> I am doing different this time is that I am excercizing a lot more.Gym
> everyday for one and a half hours

That's good stuff.

> plus taking some weight loss
> supplements ( my blood pressure is insane right now ) .

Few supplements have anything to do with weight loss or blood
pressure.  Supplements are a belt-and-suspenders precaution
that assumes the veggies we are required to eat don't have
their expected nutrients.

Again on the book which it seems clear you haven't read.
Doing Atkins is supposed to handle blood pressure problems
for almost everyone.  In fact, the percentage of folks seeing
BP advantages is higher than any supplement or med.

> Just wondering
> if going to the gym might be the reason its not working right now.

1) In 10 days you have no clue if it's working.  There's no good
reason to even step on the scale until the end of Induction for
folks who can't be objective about the scale, and you're clearly
not objective at this point.

2) Starting a new exercise plan does cause the muscles to
hoard carbs and those carbs are hoarded dissolved in water.
It's temporary.

3) Each time you redo Induction it's a different experience.
There's never the certainty of a repeat of the big water loss from
the first time.

> I mean if it is do I actually start losing weight eventually

Of course you'll lose fat on the normal realistic time scale.

> or should I quit going to the Gym.

Stay with that.

> Could someone tell me if mayonnaise is allowed ?

Plenty can tell you that, but it might keep you from reading the
book.  The answer is in the index and the answer can be figured
out from even a slight understanding of the principles on which
Atkins is built.

First read the book.  Then follow the directions.  You've done
fine in the past treating it as a fad diet.  Now you'll do fine
actually following the directions.
Marengo - 15 Mar 2006 03:35 GMT
|| Hey
||
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|| Btw
|| Could someone tell me if mayonnaise is allowed ?

What are you eating?

Peter
Baby Strange - 15 Mar 2006 21:42 GMT
> Hey
>
> The first I tried atkins a couple of  years ago. Lost like 15 pounds in
> the induction phase and kept losing weight . I left it cause i had
> reached my weight goal. After a year of eating carbs I was back at
> square one so I did it again .

You've just given the classic illustration of why so many people think
that Atkins doesn't work over the long term. My dad has a friend who
did the same thing--he did Atkins, and went from 275 pounds to his goal
of 225. Once the weight was off, he went back to his old eating habits.
He now weighs over 300 pounds, and claims that Atkins doesn't work. All
of which has made it that much harder for me to convince my dad that
it's safe, effective, and something he might want to try.

For someone doing Atkins properly, it is not a diet. By "diet" I mean a
temporary eating plan that you only adhere to while trying to lose
weight.

In order to be successful on Atkins, you have to *stay on it.*
Permanently. Forever. You cannot go off it and go back to your old
eating habits and maintain the weight loss. Doing Atkins right means
making permanent changes in the way you eat.

> This time again  I lost like the same
> weight but had to leave te diest again ( this time i had surgery).

Why would you have to stop eating low-carb because of surgery?  I
realize hospital food isn't exactly LC, and that during recovery it may
have been easier to eat carb-laden prepared foods if you were in no
shape to cook and didn't have anyone willing to help out with LC
cooking. But that doesn't mean you have to abandon it altogether, or
that you couldn't make intelligent choices among the foods available,
or that you couldn't gradually get back into LC eating as you
recovered.

> This
> time is my most serious attempt yet but I am not losing any weight .
> Its only been 10 days ( but that is the whole point of atkins you
> actually see results so you keep up the diet ) .

You're a yo-yo dieter. Accept the fact that for a lot of people who go
on and off diets and keep losing and regaining the same weight over and
over again it gets harder to lose each time.

You're not going to get instant results--deal with it. If you are
willing to be patient, and are committed to making a real change over
the long term, you will gradually see a change for the better. The
weight will eventually come off. But if the only reason you are doing
Atkins is to lose weight as quickly as possible, and that's the only
thing that's keeping you going, you're setting yourself up for failure
again.

I just did Induction again, after maintaining a 35-pound weight loss
for over a year--I want to get rid of the last 20 pounds. I only lost 4
pounds on Induction, unlike the 15 I lost the first time I did it, and
I didn't see any signs that it was coming off until day 12 or 13. Now
that I'm on OWL the weight is still coming off very slowly--about 2
pounds a week. But it's definitely coming off, and I'm sticking to it
because I know that if I just keep going I will get rid of those 20
pounds eventually.

The "whole point" of Atkins isn't to see fast results--it's to
*permanently* change your eating habits so you can lose weight, keep it
off, and be much healthier. Stop thinking in terms of "I want to lose
that weight NOW!" and start thinking about how you're going to make
changes in the way you eat for the rest of your life.

> Anyways the only thing
> I am doing different this time is that I am excercizing a lot more.Gym
> everyday for one and a half hours  plus taking some weight loss
> supplements ( my blood pressure is insane right now ) .

What "weight loss supplements"? What do they have to do with your blood
pressure? Whatever they are, they are unnecessary. Stop looking for a
magic pill that will give you quick results.

You may be retaining water for now because of the increased exercise.
After only 10 days, it's unlikely that you've built up enough muscle
mass to compensate for fat burned.

Do you see changes in your body? Are your clothes looser? Do you have
more energy?

> Just wondering
> if going to the gym might be the reason its not working right now. I
> saw another posting which said this was the case. I mean if it is do I
> actually start losing weight eventually or should I quit going to the
> Gym.

[sighs] Yeah, stop going to the gym because you haven't seen immediate
signs of weight loss. That's an *excellent* idea.

> Any suggetions would be helpful
> Btw
> Could someone tell me if mayonnaise is allowed ?

Go read the damned book. If you had, you wouldn't be asking that
question.

Go buy a copy, take some time, and read it from cover to cover--not
just the parts that tell you what to eat. Or, if you have it lying
around, re-read it so you *understand* it.

Asking a question that basic after supposedly "doing Atkins" three
times tells me that you've never really "done" it.
r3bell@gmail.com - 17 Mar 2006 07:26 GMT
I had no choice with the hospital food I mean i had to eat whatever
they give me . I left it because of the glocuse drip( which is supposed
to have sugarin it ) I was on it for a few days . Since I already
stated I have done this before . I know the whole stages thing . I have
read the freaking book sheesh people. I just cant be bothered to look
for it ( its probably somewhere at my parents house so i dont have
access to it ) . Anways I have started to lose weight I just tried on
pair of jeans that didnt fit me perfectly  before and its fits fine now
. So i guess I have started to lose weight ( the scale hasnt changed
yet though ). Here is what I am eating rite now

no breakfast or if I am up early enough I have scrambled eggs

For lunch

2 X Burger Patties

For Dinner

Grilled Chicken or a meatloaf

For later dinner or a snack

Tuna or turkey slices

Dont suggest any veggies I absolutely hate em .
Also I was just wondering if any of u guys have tried protein bars . I
know I am allowed 40ish grm of carbs in induction .. I just dont know
the nutritional information for them . SO if they are ok could u tell
me which are the best ones . I saw something with 4gms of carbs but it
cost 5 bucks a bar .

Anyways
I love the f.cking flaming . guys chill seriously its a freaking fourm
.If I had the book now I wouldnt be asking them . I am visiting my
parents in a month I would have the book then . oh and since no one was
answereing I just went ahead and had mayo ( I just googled it ).
Doug Freyburger - 17 Mar 2006 17:12 GMT
> I had no choice with the hospital food I mean i had to eat whatever
> they give me . I left it because of the glocuse drip( which is supposed
> to have sugarin it ) I was on it for a few days .

So once the hospital temporarily forced you off plan you stayed
off and didn't look back for at least a year?  Way to go on getting
back on the horse that threw you.  It's one thing to decide to
exit the plan.  It's quite another to get pushed off involuntarily and
have so little interest that you fail to even try to get back on the
wagon.

> I have read the freaking book sheesh people.

Since you appear to have forgotten every word in it, there's no
difference.  "Read the book" suggestions include "remember
its contents".

> I just cant be bothered to look for it

What a shock.

> ( its probably somewhere at my parents house so i dont have
> access to it ) .

And you live in a nation without libraries or used book stores.

> Anways I have started to lose weight I just tried on
> pair of jeans that didnt fit me perfectly  before and its fits fine now
> . So i guess I have started to lose weight ( the scale hasnt changed
> yet though ).

Inches beat pounds!  Excellent.

> Here is what I am eating rite now
> no breakfast or if I am up early enough I have scrambled eggs
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> For later dinner or a snack
> Tuna or turkey slices

Since that bears zero resemblence to Atkins you seriously need
to stop using the word.  If your prior eating patterns have been
similar you've never been on Atkins even for a single day.  Atkins
is something quite specific and you should not use the word for
what you've been doing.  What you've been doing is a low carb
plan of your own design, so please call it that.  There's nothing
wrong with doing a low carb plan of you own design.  There is
something wrong with knowingly making false statements about
what plan you're on.

> Dont suggest any veggies

Tough.  Veggies are mandatory.

> I absolutely hate em .

Grow to adulthood and let loose a bit on the childish act.

Humans evolved eating veggies.  No human can dislike them
all.  Humans can and do get spoiled and take up avoiding them,
but being spoiled does not equal truthfully hating veggies.
Humans can and do hate some types of veggies (I hate bell
peppers and parsnips) but hating a short list does does equal
hating them all.  Humans can and do hate veggies that are
cooked into flavorless mush but hating flavorless mush does
not equal hating properly prepare veggies.

> Also I was just wondering if any of u guys have tried protein bars .

I've tried a bunch of types.  May as well be sawdust in my
opinion.  At a couple dollars a pop I want something that's
worth the money.  At a fifth the price I may well have thought
otherwise - price matters.

> I know I am allowed 40ish grm of carbs in induction ..

No.  Back to the part where "read the book" includes "remember
the contents".

> I just dont know the nutritional information for them . SO if they are ok could u tell
> me which are the best ones . I saw something with 4gms of carbs but it
> cost 5 bucks a bar .

Some people believe the claimed carb counts, some don't.
I'm in the don't school.  But if you aren't going to eat your
veggies you may as well have something.

> I love the f.cking flaming .

What flames?  People told you that if you're going to claim you
are on Atkins you should actually be telling the truth not lying.

> oh and since no one was
> answereing I just went ahead and had mayo ( I just googled it ).

Good job.  It's a starting point.
trader4@optonline.net - 17 Mar 2006 18:01 GMT
> > I had no choice with the hospital food I mean i had to eat whatever
> > they give me . I left it because of the glocuse drip( which is supposed
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> Since that bears zero resemblence to Atkins you seriously need
> to stop using the word.

This days menu is consistent with Atkins induction.  Do we have to do
this all over again?   Atkins specified maximums of allowed vegs during
induction, not minimums.   He did encourage eating limited amounts of
the right vegs, but he didn't require it.  If he did, I'd like to see a
reference.   I agree it's would be a good thing to include vegs, but
that is different than stating as a fact that Atkins mandated them as
part of induction.

Induction can be a difficult time for many people.  A lot of people
don't feel that well on induction.   When one doesn't feel particularly
well, it's not unusal for them to prefer certain foods over others.
If I have a cold, and not feeling well, I'm less likely to want to eat
vegs myself.   If a person hasn't been a big fan of vegs and wants to
go with a diet without vegs for two weeks, to get through induction,
before adding in more foods, I say if it works for them, let them be.
We don't even know that this person isn't eating vegs everday, do we?
If she were to continue not including vegs longer term, then I would
agree that is not right.

If your prior eating patterns have been
> similar you've never been on Atkins even for a single day.  Atkins
> is something quite specific and you should not use the word for
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> something wrong with knowingly making false statements about
> what plan you're on.

Doug, you're the expert in making false statements and continuing to
make them, even after people find out that you just make up stuff and
claim it as established fact.   And I have yet to see you provide a
credible reference for most of the crap you make up.  So you shouldn't
be lecturing anyone else.

> > Dont suggest any veggies
>
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>
> Good job.  It's a starting point.
Roger Zoul - 17 Mar 2006 20:20 GMT
:: I had no choice with the hospital food I mean i had to eat whatever
:: they give me . I left it because of the glocuse drip( which is
:: supposed to have sugarin it ) I was on it for a few days . Since I
:: already stated I have done this before . I know the whole stages
:: thing . I have read the freaking book sheesh people.

Really?

I just cant be
:: bothered to look for it ( its probably somewhere at my parents house
:: so i dont have access to it ) .

Lazy?  Not being lazy is a good way to not be fat.

Anways I have started to lose weight
:: I just tried on pair of jeans that didnt fit me perfectly  before
:: and its fits fine now . So i guess I have started to lose weight (
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
::
:: Tuna or turkey slices

wow...that's pretty close to zero carb.

:: Dont suggest any veggies I absolutely hate em .

so, assuming you make it through induction, do you plan to continue eating
just the above?  Is your plan to do so unitl you lose your weight and then
resume back to where you started, eating carbs and then regaining the
weight?

Listen, the fact of the matter is, veggies are good for you. They have stuff
that provides nutrition for your body. Grow the hell up and eat them only
for this reason.  You're not a five-year old, right?  For al ll you know you
might find some you actually like. Quit being lazy and find out. Try
different cooking methods, seasonings, etc.

:: Also I was just wondering if any of u guys have tried protein bars .

Yes.  The generally suck.  A chicken breast works better, but bars will do
in a pinch.

:: I know I am allowed 40ish grm of carbs in induction

Really?

.. I just dont
:: know the nutritional information for them .

Read the labels.

SO if they are ok could
:: u tell me which are the best ones .

Bars aren't part of induction.

I saw something with 4gms of
:: carbs but it cost 5 bucks a bar .

Yes, they can be costly.  Not a recommended way to get most of your food,
but they work in a pinch.  They are highly processed food.

:: Anyways
:: I love the f.cking flaming . guys chill seriously its a freaking
:: fourm .If I had the book now I wouldnt be asking them . I am
:: visiting my parents in a month I would have the book then . oh and
:: since no one was answereing I just went ahead and had mayo ( I just
:: googled it ).

You really should try to learn more.  At least you googled, that's good.
GIYF.  You can google the archives of this group for answers to a lot of
your questions.  if you had done low carb before, you should already know
about mayo??????????????????
Baby Strange - 17 Mar 2006 21:41 GMT
> I had no choice with the hospital food I mean i had to eat whatever
> they give me . I left it because of the glocuse drip( which is supposed
> to have sugarin it ) I was on it for a few days .

Having to make-do without LC food for a few days is sometimes
unavoidable--and being in the hospital certainly counts.

But when you get home and are able to choose your own food again,
there's nothing to stop you from getting back on track and eating right
again. Nothing, that is, except yourself.

And you don't even have to go back on Induction afterwards to lose
weight--I took off 10 pounds of weight I gained at Christmas in about
six weeks just by going back to my regular LC eating habits.

> Since I already
> stated I have done this before . I know the whole stages thing . I have
> read the freaking book sheesh people.

Don't get indignant with us for saying what we think--after all, you've
given us no sign that you've actually read the book, much less
understood it. You presented yourself as utterly clueless, asking the
kind of basic questions that anyone who had *ever* seriously done
Atkins would know. We're only working with the information you have
given us, and the attitude you have expressed in your writing. That so
many people have pointed out the same things to you ought to tell you
something.

While the word "support" is in the name of this newsgroup,
"hand-holding," "reading the book for you," and "telling you that your
laziness, excuse-making, and lack of discipline are OK" are not.
Speaking for myself, I'm more than willing to offer support to people
who at least show that they are making a sincere, committed effort to
helping themselves.

>  I just cant be bothered to look
> for it  ( its probably somewhere at my parents house so i dont have
> access to it ) .

And you can't be bothered to go to a library? Or even a used book- or
thrift store to buy a cheap secondhand copy? With an attitude like
that, you're setting yourself up for another failure. If you're too
damned lazy to get your hands on a copy of the book and read it so that
you can ask intelligent, informed questions, then why should anyone
take you seriously?

> Anways I have started to lose weight I just tried on
> pair of jeans that didnt fit me perfectly  before and its fits fine now
> . So i guess I have started to lose weight ( the scale hasnt changed
> yet though ). Here is what I am eating rite now

<snipped>
> Dont suggest any veggies I absolutely hate em .

Yeah, well, children usually don't like vegetables, so given your
attitude, this isn't surprising.

Don't like veggies? Tough. Find ones you can at least tolerate and
learn to like them. Doing Atkins correctly isn't just about losing
weight, it's about improving your overall health, and if all you're
going to eat is cheap meat and eggs, then you're just setting yourself
up for failure again. You need the nutrients found in vegetables. You
need the fiber. And if you're going to stay on Atkins permanently,
instead of using it as a quickie crash diet, you need the variety they
bring to one's diet--eating nothing but meat and eggs gets boring,
after awhile. Also, if you have a lot of weight to lose, you will have
to start paying attention to calories somewhere along the line, and
vegetables do a good job filling you up without providing a lot of
calories.

Losing weight quickly isn't impressive--people on all kinds of diets do
it every day. What is impressive is keeping the weight off permanently
and being healthier for it.

> Also I was just wondering if any of u guys have tried protein bars . I
> know I am allowed 40ish grm of carbs in induction ..

Which just goes to show you don't know a goddamned thing. Seriously.

> I just dont know
> the nutritional information for them .

Um, have you actually looked at the wrappers? Where it says "Nutrition
Facts"?

>SO if they are ok could u tell
> me which are the best ones . I saw something with 4gms of carbs but it
> cost 5 bucks a bar .
>
> Anyways
> I love the f.cking flaming .

It's not "flaming." You're lazy, ignorant, full of excuses, and expect
us to provide all the answers for you. You may not like the fact that
we've pointed that out to you, but that doesn't make it flaming.

> guys chill seriously its a freaking fourm
> .If I had the book now I wouldnt be asking them . I am visiting my
> parents in a month I would have the book then . oh and since no one was
> answereing I just went ahead and had mayo ( I just googled it ).

Wow! Some initiative! Some effort! Holy smokes! There may be hope,
yet...
Aaron Baugher - 17 Mar 2006 22:16 GMT
> Here is what I am eating rite now
>
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>
> Tuna or turkey slices

This looks fine, as long as you aren't sneaking too many carbs into
your meatloaf.  Most meatloaf recipes include some bread crumbs or
crackers or something.  Some people also put ketchup on it, which
could be a problem.

> Dont suggest any veggies I absolutely hate em .

That's too bad; they're good for you, and they add variety.  You don't
have to eat them to lose weight, though.  You might want to start
taking a fiber supplement -- or keep a supply of laxative on hand --
if you're going to stick to a diet of nothing but meat and eggs.

> Also I was just wondering if any of u guys have tried protein bars .

Why would you want to eat those?  If you want to eat more protein,
have 3 burger patties for lunch instead of 2.  

> I know I am allowed 40ish grm of carbs in induction ..

Those must be Celsius carbs or something.

> I just dont know the nutritional information for them . SO if they
> are ok could u tell me which are the best ones . I saw something
> with 4gms of carbs but it cost 5 bucks a bar .

Well, "best" is a relative term.  Picking the "best" protein bar
sounds a little like picking the "best" way to be kicked in the
crotch, especially if I have to pay $5 for the privilege.

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Lee Rodgers - 18 Mar 2006 00:51 GMT
>I had no choice with the hospital food I mean i had to eat whatever
>they give me . I left it because of the glocuse drip( which is supposed
>to have sugarin it ) I was on it for a few days .

Yes, but ... I am trying so hard ...  What do you expect from someone
with my difficulties?

...snippage...

>Dont suggest any veggies I absolutely hate em .

Can you please tell me how I can get to New York City?  I was once in
that city and remember basically where it is located.  But, don't
suggest I take a plane or train.  I absolutely hate all modes of
transportation.  I want to get there without a road map and definitely
without using any viable means of successful transport.
Lee Rodgers
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Cheri - 18 Mar 2006 01:37 GMT
LOL, good to see you posting Lee.

--
Cheri

Lee Rodgers wrote in message ...

>Can you please tell me how I can get to New York City?  I was once in
>that city and remember basically where it is located.  But, don't
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>Low-Carb Connoisseur puts the dash into low-carb
>http://www.low-carb.com
Bob (this one) - 18 Mar 2006 11:59 GMT
>> I had no choice with the hospital food I mean i had to eat whatever
>> they give me . I left it because of the glocuse drip( which is
>> supposed to have sugarin it ) I was on it for a few days .

> Yes, but ... I am trying so hard ...  What do you expect from someone
>  with my difficulties?

> ....snippage...

>> Dont suggest any veggies I absolutely hate em .

> Can you please tell me how I can get to New York City? I was once in
> that city and remember basically where it is located. But, don't
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> Lee Rodgers CHATROOM http://www.lowcarb.org/parachat.html Low-Carb
> Connoisseur puts the dash into low-carb http://www.low-carb.com

I hate it when you get all rational and stuff. And the way you shoot
down excuses, I mean, jeez, you don't leave a person any way to weasel
out of taking responsibility...

And everybody says you're such a nice person... <G>

Pastorio
r3bell@gmail.com - 22 Mar 2006 05:58 GMT
Just Wondering

Whats do u guys eat as a snack ?  I live in dorm so  i can exactly cook
food( we have a meal plan ) . Just wondering what is a good food to eat
for times when the dorm food is not diet friendly .

Thx
Roger Zoul - 22 Mar 2006 06:49 GMT
:: Just Wondering
::
:: Whats do u guys eat as a snack ?  I live in dorm so  i can exactly
:: cook food( we have a meal plan ) . Just wondering what is a good
:: food to eat for times when the dorm food is not diet friendly .

Almonds. Just watch the amounts.
Aaron Baugher - 22 Mar 2006 07:13 GMT
> Whats do u guys eat as a snack ?  I live in dorm so i can exactly
> cook food( we have a meal plan ) . Just wondering what is a good
> food to eat for times when the dorm food is not diet friendly .

Boiled eggs (slice them in half and top with mayo and mustard for lazy
man's devilled eggs), jerky, sunflower or pumpkin seeds, nuts, cheese
sticks, radishes, pork rinds.

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awais.asad@gmail.com - 22 Mar 2006 08:23 GMT
I mean to write we cant cook . Thanks for the suggestions guys .Is
there any decent microwaveable stuff . The hungryman meals and the
kraft dinners both have a lot of carbs . Anything else you could suggest
Roger Zoul - 22 Mar 2006 12:43 GMT
:: I mean to write we cant cook . Thanks for the suggestions guys .Is
:: there any decent microwaveable stuff . The hungryman meals and the
:: kraft dinners both have a lot of carbs . Anything else you could
:: suggest

You really want to avoid packaged & processed foods.   I can't think of
something that comes prepackaged that you can put in the micro.

Why not canned tuna, sardines, (in addition to those other snack items) etc?
Aaron Baugher - 22 Mar 2006 13:32 GMT
> I mean to write we cant cook . Thanks for the suggestions guys .Is
> there any decent microwaveable stuff .

Not really, because sugar and starches are used as preservatives in
packaged foods, so even things that could be low-carb if you made them
yourself will be high-carb when pre-packaged.

In the microwave, I like to spread shredded cheese on a plate, top
with mushrooms, jalapenos, or other pizza toppings, and nuke until the
cheeze is all bubbling.  Then just eat with a fork.

If I have cooked meat, like leftover chicken that I've taken off the
bone, I'll put it in a bowl with cream cheese and heat it up in the
microwave and stir for a quick snack.

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Bill Eitner - 22 Mar 2006 22:45 GMT
    You can cook meat and steam low starch veggies
    like broccoli and cauliflower in a microwave.
    Chicken, turkey and fish won't toughen up like
    beef and pork.  You can use spices with color
    like paprika, chili powder, seasoned salt, curry
    powder, pepper, etc. to add color and flavor.
   
    I eat almost all of my meals in a dorm room
    type of environment.  I get by really well with
    a hot plate, a two quart covered saucepan, a
    12 inch covered chicken fryer (a big, deep,
    covered, thick-bottom pan), a rice cooker
    (works as a second self-heating pan for making
    tea, steaming veggies, etc.), a bowl, a dinner
    plate, and assorted utensils.  The above setup
    isn't too expensive and produces food that is
    tastier and more varied than what you can do
    with a microwave.  Add to that a diet scale and
    journaling software to really do your diet right.

    Another level of pure simplicity is canned stuff
    and supplements.  The fastest on-plan meal I know
    of is a serving or two of protein powder, a table-
    spoon of fish oil, and whatever other supplements
    your plan includes.  A jar with a lid and water
    is all you need for that.  And another great on-
    plan meal is a can of fish like salmon, mackerel
    or sardines and a can of some vegetable like green
    beans.  I usually add a little hot sauce to the
    fish and veggies to add flavor and heat.  All you
    need for that type of meal is a can opener and a
    fork.  Obviously you don't need refrigeration to
    store canned stuff, and the canned fish is an
    outstanding value while being a nearly perfect
    low carb food (economical source of protein and
    essential fatty acids).

    For more variety, if you don't mind upping the carbs
    occasionally, you can cook brown rice in the rice
    cooker with whatever flavoring you like.  I like
    soy sauce or chicken bullion powder.  Another cheap
    higher carb treat is oil-popped popcorn made in the
    big pan.  With a scale and journaling software you
    can work occasional reasonable amounts of rice and
    popcorn into your diet if your not diabetic or
    a victim of high metabolic resistance.  You can heat
    the canned veggies in the rice cooker.  Another
    moderate carb treat is canned chili in the rice
    cooker.  For tighter carb control you can get chili
    with no beans.  One of my favorites is the canned
    mixed vegetables.  The mixed veggies contain some
    potato so the carbs are a bit higher but not too bad.
    A common method for me is to start with a tablespoon
    of olive or canola oil in the big pan on top of the
    hot plate.  From there I cook veggies or sausage
    and then pour in two eggs that I scrambled in the
    bowl.  The result is a tasty and quick omelet (a low
    carb staple).  The same goes for meat.  A tablespoon
    of oil, then put in the meat, season the meat, and
    then add the veggies, chili or cooked rice so that
    the flavors can blend.  If the pan is non-stick,
    start with enough water to steam raw veggies
    like broccoli or cauliflower.  Cook both the meat and
    the raw veggies in the water at the same time to create
    a tasty one-pan on-plan meal.  An omelet to start the
    day, meat and veggies later on, and supplements, tea
    and water round out a typical day of eating for me.
    And it can all be done in a dorm room if need be.
    Fresh food is the best.  A refrigerator may be asking
    too much, but if you have one or access to one, make
    use of it.  If not, try to arrange regular trips to
    the market so you can include as much fresh stuff (raw
    meat, eggs, a little cheese, and fresh raw veggies)
    in your diet as is possible.  When you don't have time
    for fresh stuff, fall back to the canned stuff and
    protein powder.
--

> I mean to write we cant cook . Thanks for the suggestions guys .Is
> there any decent microwaveable stuff . The hungryman meals and the
> kraft dinners both have a lot of carbs . Anything else you could suggest
Joe the Aroma - 22 Mar 2006 15:46 GMT
> Just Wondering
>
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>
> Thx

Cheesesticks, cheesesticks, cheesesticks.
Doug Freyburger - 22 Mar 2006 17:06 GMT
> Just Wondering
>
> Whats do u guys eat as a snack ?  I live in dorm so  i can exactly cook
> food( we have a meal plan ) . Just wondering what is a good food to eat
> for times when the dorm food is not diet friendly .

During Induction, the highest ratio of fat to any other calories.
Think pepperoni, salami, leftover steak, boiled eggs.  As soon
as the carb cravings go away (probably second week) watch
the amounts.

After Induction, crunchy bulky veggies start to win.  Think
celery sticks with or without cream cheese.  Brocolli spears
with or without ranch dip.  Or either with or without a type of
cheese that doesn't need to be kept cold.
jackiepatti@gmail.com - 22 Mar 2006 19:44 GMT
> I had no choice with the hospital food I mean i had to eat whatever
> they give me . I left it because of the glocuse drip( which is supposed
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> . So i guess I have started to lose weight ( the scale hasnt changed
> yet though ).

If you don't know whether or not mayo is allowed, you are not doing any
low-carb program.  To even ask the question implies a complete lack of
comprehension of low-carb.

> Dont suggest any veggies I absolutely hate em .

Fine.  Let me ask you this - from where are you getting 20 g of carb
per day?  And how are you going to increase carb by 5 grams/day to get
onto OWL?  And continue increasing through the other phases?  That is
Atkins... that you increase carbs gradually, using vegetables, until
you are on maintenance.

What you are doing is some random low-carb diet you made up.  No
problem.  I do a low-carb diet that I've made up.  Just that mine is
based on informaiton because I'm not an idjit.

The problem comes when... you ask for advice and then refuse the advice
you will be given before it's given.

You want to exclude veggies?  Fine.  Then the *only* way to increase
carbs is gonna be sugar/starch, dairy products or fruit.

If you use sugar/starch to increase your carbs, you are going to be
doing the yo-yo diet thing forever.  Eat meat-only until you lose
weight, eat sugar and starch until you blow up, lather, rinse, repeat
until you wind up with diabetes.  This is not Atkins, nor any other
low-carb WOE.  It's utter stupidity - what you seem determined to do,
and you want us to "help" you along.  Problem is... we're not stupid
enough to help with this.

I personally think using dairy to increase carbs gradually would end up
a problem in the weight-loss phases.  I think if it turns out your OWL
level is around 50-60 grams of carb, then the amount of dairy you'd
have to eat to get those carbs would be an *awful* lot of fat, and
hence calories.  I think using dairy as the sole food to titrate
carbohydrate would interfere with weight loss eventually - it'd work
for a while, but there'd come a point where it'd stop working.  I love
dairy myself, but I don't try to get all my carbs from it as I eat tons
of veggies.

If you wish to use fruit to increase your carbs, that is do-able.  You
pretty much have to stick to melons and berries as they are the only
relatively low-carb fruits.  And... if that is how you're going to do
the plan... where your maintenance diet, for the rest of your life,
consists of meat and fruit, that is do-able.  If that's what you choose
to eat for the rest of your life, more power to you.  That will work,
but you're going to have to do the research yourself and become
knowledgeable about how low-carb diets work as I know of no book that
has a maintenance plan consisting of meat and fruit.

Same applies if you decide to use dairy and fruit both - you're going
to have to do the research and understand the biochemistry to devise
your own plan.

> Also I was just wondering if any of u guys have tried protein bars . I
> know I am allowed 40ish grm of carbs in induction .. I just dont know
> the nutritional information for them . SO if they are ok could u tell
> me which are the best ones . I saw something with 4gms of carbs but it
> cost 5 bucks a bar .

See, you *don't* know squat.  The induction limit is 20 grams.  Read a
freaking book already.

But... no, you aren't going to do that.  You want to change your entire
lifestyle permanently, but it is too much trouble to find and read a
book?

Cause you don't want to change your lifestyle permanently.  You wanna
do a fad diet, yo-yo indefinetly, and just do it wrong again.  And you
want our help doing it wrong.  Problem is... we've read the freaking
books... so we have no help to give you.  Yo-yo'ing is worse for your
health than just staying fat.  So... might as well give up right now.

And even if it *were* too much trouble to locate the book, because you
live far from all libraries and bookstores and have no card for online
purchasing, there's the FAQ of this newsgroup if it's *really* too much
trouble to get the damned book.    It's freaking posted all the damned
time and full of info regarding  low-carb of either the Atkins or other
varieities.  You could do low-carb quite successfully without a book if
you just read that.

So... it's too much trouble to *read*, but you're gonna change your
life?  Right.

See... you aren't going to change, you have no commitment to change.
You're engaging in mental masturbation about change and jerking-around
the members of this group who are wasting their time replying to you -
cause you're completly full of sh.t.

You're not on Atkins.  You're on some fad diet you invented that has no
correlation with any published low-carb plan nor any reasonable
homegrown plan.

I'm having a JC moment here; everything else I want to say would be a
direct quote of him.
awais.asad@gmail.com - 22 Mar 2006 20:59 GMT
Whatever the hell i am doing I am losing weight and all i asked was
suggetions on what I could eat as a snack or as a meal . I love the
fact that this is supposed to be a f.cking support group and all I hear
here is people screaming about how i am not following the book and its
called the low carb group not the atkins group .Seriously that
conversation ended a week ago . I am losing weight thats all I care so
stop trying to .... I dont even get the point of the last comment .

Thanks to the guys who posted the food suggetions . I like the cheese
idea going out now and getting some cheese sticks and some jalepeno
peppers and some cream cheeses . I guess dipping chesse sticks into
cream cheese would be good . :P
Roger Zoul - 22 Mar 2006 21:28 GMT
:: Whatever the hell i am doing I am losing weight and all i asked was
:: suggetions on what I could eat as a snack or as a meal . I love the
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
:: care so stop trying to .... I dont even get the point of the last
:: comment .

You're going to gain it right back, so why even bother?  Once that happens
you'll be saying "Atkins didn't work", when the real problem was you didn't
work Atkins.

:: Thanks to the guys who posted the food suggetions . I like the cheese
:: idea going out now and getting some cheese sticks and some jalepeno
:: peppers and some cream cheeses . I guess dipping chesse sticks into
:: cream cheese would be good . :P
Baby Strange - 22 Mar 2006 23:46 GMT
> Whatever the hell i am doing I am losing weight and all i asked was
> suggetions on what I could eat as a snack or as a meal .

Bullshit. In your original post, all you really wanted to know was why
you weren't losing weight as fast as you wanted to. You came in here,
claiming you were doing Atkins, and obviously didn't know what the hell
you were talking about. And we called you on your ignorance and
excuse-making.

Don't like it? Tough.

> I love the
> fact that this is supposed to be a f.cking support group and all I hear
> here is people screaming about how i am not following the book and its
> called the low carb group not the atkins group.

In your original post, you mentioned the Atkins diet, and said you were
back on it. *You're* the one who brought up Atkins in the first place.

So don't blame us when people who have actually read the book and are
following the Atkins WOE as the book recommends tell you point-blank
that you're just another a yo-yo no-carb crash dieter who doesn't know
a damned thing about Atkins--because that's exactly what you are. You
don't care about making a lifestyle change; you just want to lose
weight and lose it fast and have it be easy.

If you're too lazy to even get your hands on a copy of the book--which
can be had  used just about everywhere--why should we lend you our
support? It's wasted effort. You've been given some very good advice
despite this, such as finding vegetables you can tolerate and learning
to like them, but since that isn't the Magic Diet Pill you want, you
pushed it aside. So tell me--why should anyone offer support to someone
who rejects the most valuable advice straight off the bat?

> Seriously that
> conversation ended a week ago . I am losing weight thats all I care

The successful people around here (or on any dieting group, really)
don't just take weight off; they *keep* it off.

In order to do that they've had to develop new eating habits, and make
them a permanent part of their lives. At some point, a lot of us
realize that it isn't just about losing weight, it's about enjoying
good overall health, as well. And until you realize that, and accept
that you need to make some major changes if you are to be healthier and
keep weight off permanently, nothing we have to say here will be useful
to you.

If losing weight is the only thing you care about, then guess what?
You're just going to gain it all right back. If this is the way you've
been "doing Atkins" all along, I'll even put money on it, and I'm not a
gambler. You'll hit a plateau, lose what little motivation you do have,
and eventually you'll be back to your normal eating habits.

> Thanks to the guys who posted the food suggetions . I like the cheese
> idea going out now and getting some cheese sticks and some jalepeno
> peppers and some cream cheeses . I guess dipping chesse sticks into
> cream cheese would be good . :P

In your original post, you mentioned, "[M]y blood pressure is insane
right now." I'm sure all the sodium in the cheese and deli meats and
tuna will do you a fat lot of good...[/sarcasm]
Tom - 28 Mar 2006 22:50 GMT
You talk about reading the book, but you don't have one single veg in
your diet plan.  That is NOT Atkins.
Lee Rodgers - 18 Mar 2006 00:57 GMT
>Hey
>
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>Btw
>Could someone tell me if mayonnaise is allowed ?

Read the FAQ jack
http://www.grossweb.com/asdlc

And here are the rules to Induction:
http://www.titanic.kn-bremen.de/induction.html
 
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