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thrid time on Atkins.Its not working .
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r3bell@gmail.com - 14 Mar 2006 09:09 GMT Hey
The first I tried atkins a couple of years ago. Lost like 15 pounds in the induction phase and kept losing weight . I left it cause i had reached my weight goal. After a year of eating carbs I was back at square one so I did it again . This time again I lost like the same weight but had to leave te diest again ( this time i had surgery). This time is my most serious attempt yet but I am not losing any weight . Its only been 10 days ( but that is the whole point of atkins you actually see results so you keep up the diet ) . Anyways the only thing I am doing different this time is that I am excercizing a lot more.Gym everyday for one and a half hours plus taking some weight loss supplements ( my blood pressure is insane right now ) . Just wondering if going to the gym might be the reason its not working right now. I saw another posting which said this was the case. I mean if it is do I actually start losing weight eventually or should I quit going to the Gym. Any suggetions would be helpful Btw Could someone tell me if mayonnaise is allowed ?
Roger Zoul - 14 Mar 2006 13:25 GMT :: Hey :: :: The first I tried atkins a couple of years ago. Lost like 15 pounds :: in the induction phase and kept losing weight . I left it cause i had :: reached my weight goal. Then you weren't doing Atkins. You don't ever leave it because you reached your goal weight. You stay on it for exactly that reason.
After a year of eating carbs I was back at
:: square one so I did it again . This time again I lost like the same :: weight but had to leave te diest again ( this time i had surgery). You have established the pattern of a yo-yo dieter.
:: This time is my most serious attempt yet but I am not losing any :: weight . Its only been 10 days ( but that is the whole point of :: atkins you actually see results so you keep up the diet ) . That is not the whole point of Atkins. The initial weight loss is mostly water weight anyway.
Anyways
:: the only thing I am doing different this time is that I am :: excercizing a lot more.Gym everyday for one and a half hours plus :: taking some weight loss supplements ( my blood pressure is insane :: right now ) . What weight loss supplements? What do they have to do with your BP?
Just wondering if going to the gym might be the reason
:: its not working right now. I saw another posting which said this was :: the case. I mean if it is do I actually start losing weight :: eventually or should I quit going to the Gym. No, don't quit going to the gym. You might just be holding more water in the muscles due to the new stimulation.
What you need to do is post some menus here to make sure you're doing induction right (frankly, I don't believe you know how Atkins is done). Then you need to stick to the program for way longer than 10 days. You need to tell use your gender, weight, and height (age helps too).
:: Any suggetions would be helpful :: Btw :: Could someone tell me if mayonnaise is allowed ? Did you buy to book? Atkins is very clear on what foods are allowed on induction. The book can be had for very little.
trader4@optonline.net - 14 Mar 2006 14:19 GMT > :: Hey > :: [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > What weight loss supplements? What do they have to do with your BP? That's what I was wondering too. If your blood pressure is insane, that's serious and you should be on a prescription drug for that, not supplements. And according to Atkins, blood pressure medications, beta blockers, diuretics, are high on the list of drugs that can slow or prevent weight loss.
> Just wondering if going to the gym might be the reason > :: its not working right now. I saw another posting which said this was [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > No, don't quit going to the gym. You might just be holding more water in > the muscles due to the new stimulation. I've noticed this effect myself. It seems if I've been excercising, when I weigh myself the next day or two, it's rare to see my weight go down. Far more likely to bounce up a pound or two or remain flat.
> What you need to do is post some menus here to make sure you're doing > induction right (frankly, I don't believe you know how Atkins is done). [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Did you buy to book? Atkins is very clear on what foods are allowed on > induction. The book can be had for very little. I second that advice. The book covers all that we just discussed here in great detail.
Doug Freyburger - 14 Mar 2006 20:53 GMT > The first I tried atkins a couple of years ago. Lost like 15 pounds in > the induction phase and kept losing weight . Did you follow all four phases and continue to lose like it says in the directions, or did you stay on Induction and continue to lose? My point is that the 4th phase is called "Maintenance" and there's a reason for that.
> I left it cause i had reached my weight goal. Isn't that rather like saying the pain stopped so you resumed hitting yourself with a hammer? Just in case you don't know the biggest open secret in the dieting world - The ones who don't quit are the ones who are successfull.
> After a year of eating carbs I was back at > square one so I did it again . That's called yoyo dieting. It runs against the directions in the book. Do you know the title is "Doctor Atkins New Diet Revolution"? Edition 1972 doesn't have the word New. Editions 1993, 1999 and 2002 do.
> This time again I lost like the same > weight but had to leave te diest again ( this time i had surgery). Surgery is not a reason to exit the plan. Few hospitals will feed you At-food while you're in there but being forced off-proccess for a while does *not* equal quiting.
> This > time is my most serious attempt yet but I am not losing any weight . In reality it is your least serious attempt. Think about it. When you can explain why my statement is true, then you will be ready for a serious attempt.
> Its only been 10 days ( but that is the whole point of atkins you > actually see results so you keep up the diet ) . Why are you even on the scale in only 10 days?
> Anyways the only thing > I am doing different this time is that I am excercizing a lot more.Gym > everyday for one and a half hours That's good stuff.
> plus taking some weight loss > supplements ( my blood pressure is insane right now ) . Few supplements have anything to do with weight loss or blood pressure. Supplements are a belt-and-suspenders precaution that assumes the veggies we are required to eat don't have their expected nutrients.
Again on the book which it seems clear you haven't read. Doing Atkins is supposed to handle blood pressure problems for almost everyone. In fact, the percentage of folks seeing BP advantages is higher than any supplement or med.
> Just wondering > if going to the gym might be the reason its not working right now. 1) In 10 days you have no clue if it's working. There's no good reason to even step on the scale until the end of Induction for folks who can't be objective about the scale, and you're clearly not objective at this point.
2) Starting a new exercise plan does cause the muscles to hoard carbs and those carbs are hoarded dissolved in water. It's temporary.
3) Each time you redo Induction it's a different experience. There's never the certainty of a repeat of the big water loss from the first time.
> I mean if it is do I actually start losing weight eventually Of course you'll lose fat on the normal realistic time scale.
> or should I quit going to the Gym. Stay with that.
> Could someone tell me if mayonnaise is allowed ? Plenty can tell you that, but it might keep you from reading the book. The answer is in the index and the answer can be figured out from even a slight understanding of the principles on which Atkins is built.
First read the book. Then follow the directions. You've done fine in the past treating it as a fad diet. Now you'll do fine actually following the directions.
Marengo - 15 Mar 2006 03:35 GMT || Hey || [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] || Btw || Could someone tell me if mayonnaise is allowed ? What are you eating?
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Baby Strange - 15 Mar 2006 21:42 GMT > Hey > > The first I tried atkins a couple of years ago. Lost like 15 pounds in > the induction phase and kept losing weight . I left it cause i had > reached my weight goal. After a year of eating carbs I was back at > square one so I did it again . You've just given the classic illustration of why so many people think that Atkins doesn't work over the long term. My dad has a friend who did the same thing--he did Atkins, and went from 275 pounds to his goal of 225. Once the weight was off, he went back to his old eating habits. He now weighs over 300 pounds, and claims that Atkins doesn't work. All of which has made it that much harder for me to convince my dad that it's safe, effective, and something he might want to try.
For someone doing Atkins properly, it is not a diet. By "diet" I mean a temporary eating plan that you only adhere to while trying to lose weight.
In order to be successful on Atkins, you have to *stay on it.* Permanently. Forever. You cannot go off it and go back to your old eating habits and maintain the weight loss. Doing Atkins right means making permanent changes in the way you eat.
> This time again I lost like the same > weight but had to leave te diest again ( this time i had surgery). Why would you have to stop eating low-carb because of surgery? I realize hospital food isn't exactly LC, and that during recovery it may have been easier to eat carb-laden prepared foods if you were in no shape to cook and didn't have anyone willing to help out with LC cooking. But that doesn't mean you have to abandon it altogether, or that you couldn't make intelligent choices among the foods available, or that you couldn't gradually get back into LC eating as you recovered.
> This > time is my most serious attempt yet but I am not losing any weight . > Its only been 10 days ( but that is the whole point of atkins you > actually see results so you keep up the diet ) . You're a yo-yo dieter. Accept the fact that for a lot of people who go on and off diets and keep losing and regaining the same weight over and over again it gets harder to lose each time.
You're not going to get instant results--deal with it. If you are willing to be patient, and are committed to making a real change over the long term, you will gradually see a change for the better. The weight will eventually come off. But if the only reason you are doing Atkins is to lose weight as quickly as possible, and that's the only thing that's keeping you going, you're setting yourself up for failure again.
I just did Induction again, after maintaining a 35-pound weight loss for over a year--I want to get rid of the last 20 pounds. I only lost 4 pounds on Induction, unlike the 15 I lost the first time I did it, and I didn't see any signs that it was coming off until day 12 or 13. Now that I'm on OWL the weight is still coming off very slowly--about 2 pounds a week. But it's definitely coming off, and I'm sticking to it because I know that if I just keep going I will get rid of those 20 pounds eventually.
The "whole point" of Atkins isn't to see fast results--it's to *permanently* change your eating habits so you can lose weight, keep it off, and be much healthier. Stop thinking in terms of "I want to lose that weight NOW!" and start thinking about how you're going to make changes in the way you eat for the rest of your life.
> Anyways the only thing > I am doing different this time is that I am excercizing a lot more.Gym > everyday for one and a half hours plus taking some weight loss > supplements ( my blood pressure is insane right now ) . What "weight loss supplements"? What do they have to do with your blood pressure? Whatever they are, they are unnecessary. Stop looking for a magic pill that will give you quick results.
You may be retaining water for now because of the increased exercise. After only 10 days, it's unlikely that you've built up enough muscle mass to compensate for fat burned.
Do you see changes in your body? Are your clothes looser? Do you have more energy?
> Just wondering > if going to the gym might be the reason its not working right now. I > saw another posting which said this was the case. I mean if it is do I > actually start losing weight eventually or should I quit going to the > Gym. [sighs] Yeah, stop going to the gym because you haven't seen immediate signs of weight loss. That's an *excellent* idea.
> Any suggetions would be helpful > Btw > Could someone tell me if mayonnaise is allowed ? Go read the damned book. If you had, you wouldn't be asking that question.
Go buy a copy, take some time, and read it from cover to cover--not just the parts that tell you what to eat. Or, if you have it lying around, re-read it so you *understand* it.
Asking a question that basic after supposedly "doing Atkins" three times tells me that you've never really "done" it.
r3bell@gmail.com - 17 Mar 2006 07:26 GMT I had no choice with the hospital food I mean i had to eat whatever they give me . I left it because of the glocuse drip( which is supposed to have sugarin it ) I was on it for a few days . Since I already stated I have done this before . I know the whole stages thing . I have read the freaking book sheesh people. I just cant be bothered to look for it ( its probably somewhere at my parents house so i dont have access to it ) . Anways I have started to lose weight I just tried on pair of jeans that didnt fit me perfectly before and its fits fine now . So i guess I have started to lose weight ( the scale hasnt changed yet though ). Here is what I am eating rite now
no breakfast or if I am up early enough I have scrambled eggs
For lunch
2 X Burger Patties
For Dinner
Grilled Chicken or a meatloaf
For later dinner or a snack
Tuna or turkey slices
Dont suggest any veggies I absolutely hate em . Also I was just wondering if any of u guys have tried protein bars . I know I am allowed 40ish grm of carbs in induction .. I just dont know the nutritional information for them . SO if they are ok could u tell me which are the best ones . I saw something with 4gms of carbs but it cost 5 bucks a bar .
Anyways I love the f.cking flaming . guys chill seriously its a freaking fourm .If I had the book now I wouldnt be asking them . I am visiting my parents in a month I would have the book then . oh and since no one was answereing I just went ahead and had mayo ( I just googled it ).
Doug Freyburger - 17 Mar 2006 17:12 GMT > I had no choice with the hospital food I mean i had to eat whatever > they give me . I left it because of the glocuse drip( which is supposed > to have sugarin it ) I was on it for a few days . So once the hospital temporarily forced you off plan you stayed off and didn't look back for at least a year? Way to go on getting back on the horse that threw you. It's one thing to decide to exit the plan. It's quite another to get pushed off involuntarily and have so little interest that you fail to even try to get back on the wagon.
> I have read the freaking book sheesh people. Since you appear to have forgotten every word in it, there's no difference. "Read the book" suggestions include "remember its contents".
> I just cant be bothered to look for it What a shock.
> ( its probably somewhere at my parents house so i dont have > access to it ) . And you live in a nation without libraries or used book stores.
> Anways I have started to lose weight I just tried on > pair of jeans that didnt fit me perfectly before and its fits fine now > . So i guess I have started to lose weight ( the scale hasnt changed > yet though ). Inches beat pounds! Excellent.
> Here is what I am eating rite now > no breakfast or if I am up early enough I have scrambled eggs [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > For later dinner or a snack > Tuna or turkey slices Since that bears zero resemblence to Atkins you seriously need to stop using the word. If your prior eating patterns have been similar you've never been on Atkins even for a single day. Atkins is something quite specific and you should not use the word for what you've been doing. What you've been doing is a low carb plan of your own design, so please call it that. There's nothing wrong with doing a low carb plan of you own design. There is something wrong with knowingly making false statements about what plan you're on.
> Dont suggest any veggies Tough. Veggies are mandatory.
> I absolutely hate em . Grow to adulthood and let loose a bit on the childish act.
Humans evolved eating veggies. No human can dislike them all. Humans can and do get spoiled and take up avoiding them, but being spoiled does not equal truthfully hating veggies. Humans can and do hate some types of veggies (I hate bell peppers and parsnips) but hating a short list does does equal hating them all. Humans can and do hate veggies that are cooked into flavorless mush but hating flavorless mush does not equal hating properly prepare veggies.
> Also I was just wondering if any of u guys have tried protein bars . I've tried a bunch of types. May as well be sawdust in my opinion. At a couple dollars a pop I want something that's worth the money. At a fifth the price I may well have thought otherwise - price matters.
> I know I am allowed 40ish grm of carbs in induction .. No. Back to the part where "read the book" includes "remember the contents".
> I just dont know the nutritional information for them . SO if they are ok could u tell > me which are the best ones . I saw something with 4gms of carbs but it > cost 5 bucks a bar . Some people believe the claimed carb counts, some don't. I'm in the don't school. But if you aren't going to eat your veggies you may as well have something.
> I love the f.cking flaming . What flames? People told you that if you're going to claim you are on Atkins you should actually be telling the truth not lying.
> oh and since no one was > answereing I just went ahead and had mayo ( I just googled it ). Good job. It's a starting point.
trader4@optonline.net - 17 Mar 2006 18:01 GMT > > I had no choice with the hospital food I mean i had to eat whatever > > they give me . I left it because of the glocuse drip( which is supposed [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > Since that bears zero resemblence to Atkins you seriously need > to stop using the word. This days menu is consistent with Atkins induction. Do we have to do this all over again? Atkins specified maximums of allowed vegs during induction, not minimums. He did encourage eating limited amounts of the right vegs, but he didn't require it. If he did, I'd like to see a reference. I agree it's would be a good thing to include vegs, but that is different than stating as a fact that Atkins mandated them as part of induction.
Induction can be a difficult time for many people. A lot of people don't feel that well on induction. When one doesn't feel particularly well, it's not unusal for them to prefer certain foods over others. If I have a cold, and not feeling well, I'm less likely to want to eat vegs myself. If a person hasn't been a big fan of vegs and wants to go with a diet without vegs for two weeks, to get through induction, before adding in more foods, I say if it works for them, let them be. We don't even know that this person isn't eating vegs everday, do we? If she were to continue not including vegs longer term, then I would agree that is not right.
If your prior eating patterns have been
> similar you've never been on Atkins even for a single day. Atkins > is something quite specific and you should not use the word for [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > something wrong with knowingly making false statements about > what plan you're on. Doug, you're the expert in making false statements and continuing to make them, even after people find out that you just make up stuff and claim it as established fact. And I have yet to see you provide a credible reference for most of the crap you make up. So you shouldn't be lecturing anyone else.
> > Dont suggest any veggies > [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > Good job. It's a starting point. Roger Zoul - 17 Mar 2006 20:20 GMT :: I had no choice with the hospital food I mean i had to eat whatever :: they give me . I left it because of the glocuse drip( which is :: supposed to have sugarin it ) I was on it for a few days . Since I :: already stated I have done this before . I know the whole stages :: thing . I have read the freaking book sheesh people. Really?
I just cant be
:: bothered to look for it ( its probably somewhere at my parents house :: so i dont have access to it ) . Lazy? Not being lazy is a good way to not be fat.
Anways I have started to lose weight
:: I just tried on pair of jeans that didnt fit me perfectly before :: and its fits fine now . So i guess I have started to lose weight ( [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] :: :: Tuna or turkey slices wow...that's pretty close to zero carb.
:: Dont suggest any veggies I absolutely hate em . so, assuming you make it through induction, do you plan to continue eating just the above? Is your plan to do so unitl you lose your weight and then resume back to where you started, eating carbs and then regaining the weight?
Listen, the fact of the matter is, veggies are good for you. They have stuff that provides nutrition for your body. Grow the hell up and eat them only for this reason. You're not a five-year old, right? For al ll you know you might find some you actually like. Quit being lazy and find out. Try different cooking methods, seasonings, etc.
:: Also I was just wondering if any of u guys have tried protein bars . Yes. The generally suck. A chicken breast works better, but bars will do in a pinch.
:: I know I am allowed 40ish grm of carbs in induction Really?
.. I just dont
:: know the nutritional information for them . Read the labels.
SO if they are ok could
:: u tell me which are the best ones . Bars aren't part of induction.
I saw something with 4gms of
:: carbs but it cost 5 bucks a bar . Yes, they can be costly. Not a recommended way to get most of your food, but they work in a pinch. They are highly processed food.
:: Anyways :: I love the f.cking flaming . guys chill seriously its a freaking :: fourm .If I had the book now I wouldnt be asking them . I am :: visiting my parents in a month I would have the book then . oh and :: since no one was answereing I just went ahead and had mayo ( I just :: googled it ). You really should try to learn more. At least you googled, that's good. GIYF. You can google the archives of this group for answers to a lot of your questions. if you had done low carb before, you should already know about mayo??????????????????
Baby Strange - 17 Mar 2006 21:41 GMT > I had no choice with the hospital food I mean i had to eat whatever > they give me . I left it because of the glocuse drip( which is supposed > to have sugarin it ) I was on it for a few days . Having to make-do without LC food for a few days is sometimes unavoidable--and being in the hospital certainly counts.
But when you get home and are able to choose your own food again, there's nothing to stop you from getting back on track and eating right again. Nothing, that is, except yourself.
And you don't even have to go back on Induction afterwards to lose weight--I took off 10 pounds of weight I gained at Christmas in about six weeks just by going back to my regular LC eating habits.
> Since I already > stated I have done this before . I know the whole stages thing . I have > read the freaking book sheesh people. Don't get indignant with us for saying what we think--after all, you've given us no sign that you've actually read the book, much less understood it. You presented yourself as utterly clueless, asking the kind of basic questions that anyone who had *ever* seriously done Atkins would know. We're only working with the information you have given us, and the attitude you have expressed in your writing. That so many people have pointed out the same things to you ought to tell you something.
While the word "support" is in the name of this newsgroup, "hand-holding," "reading the book for you," and "telling you that your laziness, excuse-making, and lack of discipline are OK" are not. Speaking for myself, I'm more than willing to offer support to people who at least show that they are making a sincere, committed effort to helping themselves.
> I just cant be bothered to look > for it ( its probably somewhere at my parents house so i dont have > access to it ) . And you can't be bothered to go to a library? Or even a used book- or thrift store to buy a cheap secondhand copy? With an attitude like that, you're setting yourself up for another failure. If you're too damned lazy to get your hands on a copy of the book and read it so that you can ask intelligent, informed questions, then why should anyone take you seriously?
> Anways I have started to lose weight I just tried on > pair of jeans that didnt fit me perfectly before and its fits fine now > . So i guess I have started to lose weight ( the scale hasnt changed > yet though ). Here is what I am eating rite now <snipped>
> Dont suggest any veggies I absolutely hate em . Yeah, well, children usually don't like vegetables, so given your attitude, this isn't surprising.
Don't like veggies? Tough. Find ones you can at least tolerate and learn to like them. Doing Atkins correctly isn't just about losing weight, it's about improving your overall health, and if all you're going to eat is cheap meat and eggs, then you're just setting yourself up for failure again. You need the nutrients found in vegetables. You need the fiber. And if you're going to stay on Atkins permanently, instead of using it as a quickie crash diet, you need the variety they bring to one's diet--eating nothing but meat and eggs gets boring, after awhile. Also, if you have a lot of weight to lose, you will have to start paying attention to calories somewhere along the line, and vegetables do a good job filling you up without providing a lot of calories.
Losing weight quickly isn't impressive--people on all kinds of diets do it every day. What is impressive is keeping the weight off permanently and being healthier for it.
> Also I was just wondering if any of u guys have tried protein bars . I > know I am allowed 40ish grm of carbs in induction .. Which just goes to show you don't know a goddamned thing. Seriously.
> I just dont know > the nutritional information for them . Um, have you actually looked at the wrappers? Where it says "Nutrition Facts"?
>SO if they are ok could u tell > me which are the best ones . I saw something with 4gms of carbs but it > cost 5 bucks a bar . > > Anyways > I love the f.cking flaming . It's not "flaming." You're lazy, ignorant, full of excuses, and expect us to provide all the answers for you. You may not like the fact that we've pointed that out to you, but that doesn't make it flaming.
> guys chill seriously its a freaking fourm > .If I had the book now I wouldnt be asking them . I am visiting my > parents in a month I would have the book then . oh and since no one was > answereing I just went ahead and had mayo ( I just googled it ). Wow! Some initiative! Some effort! Holy smokes! There may be hope, yet...
Aaron Baugher - 17 Mar 2006 22:16 GMT > Here is what I am eating rite now > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Tuna or turkey slices This looks fine, as long as you aren't sneaking too many carbs into your meatloaf. Most meatloaf recipes include some bread crumbs or crackers or something. Some people also put ketchup on it, which could be a problem.
> Dont suggest any veggies I absolutely hate em . That's too bad; they're good for you, and they add variety. You don't have to eat them to lose weight, though. You might want to start taking a fiber supplement -- or keep a supply of laxative on hand -- if you're going to stick to a diet of nothing but meat and eggs.
> Also I was just wondering if any of u guys have tried protein bars . Why would you want to eat those? If you want to eat more protein, have 3 burger patties for lunch instead of 2.
> I know I am allowed 40ish grm of carbs in induction .. Those must be Celsius carbs or something.
> I just dont know the nutritional information for them . SO if they > are ok could u tell me which are the best ones . I saw something > with 4gms of carbs but it cost 5 bucks a bar . Well, "best" is a relative term. Picking the "best" protein bar sounds a little like picking the "best" way to be kicked in the crotch, especially if I have to pay $5 for the privilege.
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Lee Rodgers - 18 Mar 2006 00:51 GMT >I had no choice with the hospital food I mean i had to eat whatever >they give me . I left it because of the glocuse drip( which is supposed >to have sugarin it ) I was on it for a few days . Yes, but ... I am trying so hard ... What do you expect from someone with my difficulties?
...snippage...
>Dont suggest any veggies I absolutely hate em . Can you please tell me how I can get to New York City? I was once in that city and remember basically where it is located. But, don't suggest I take a plane or train. I absolutely hate all modes of transportation. I want to get there without a road map and definitely without using any viable means of successful transport. Lee Rodgers CHATROOM http://www.lowcarb.org/parachat.html Low-Carb Connoisseur puts the dash into low-carb http://www.low-carb.com
Cheri - 18 Mar 2006 01:37 GMT LOL, good to see you posting Lee.
-- Cheri
Lee Rodgers wrote in message ...
>Can you please tell me how I can get to New York City? I was once in >that city and remember basically where it is located. But, don't [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Low-Carb Connoisseur puts the dash into low-carb >http://www.low-carb.com Bob (this one) - 18 Mar 2006 11:59 GMT >> I had no choice with the hospital food I mean i had to eat whatever >> they give me . I left it because of the glocuse drip( which is >> supposed to have sugarin it ) I was on it for a few days .
> Yes, but ... I am trying so hard ... What do you expect from someone > with my difficulties?
> ....snippage...
>> Dont suggest any veggies I absolutely hate em .
> Can you please tell me how I can get to New York City? I was once in > that city and remember basically where it is located. But, don't [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Lee Rodgers CHATROOM http://www.lowcarb.org/parachat.html Low-Carb > Connoisseur puts the dash into low-carb http://www.low-carb.com I hate it when you get all rational and stuff. And the way you shoot down excuses, I mean, jeez, you don't leave a person any way to weasel out of taking responsibility...
And everybody says you're such a nice person... <G>
Pastorio
r3bell@gmail.com - 22 Mar 2006 05:58 GMT Just Wondering
Whats do u guys eat as a snack ? I live in dorm so i can exactly cook food( we have a meal plan ) . Just wondering what is a good food to eat for times when the dorm food is not diet friendly .
Thx
Roger Zoul - 22 Mar 2006 06:49 GMT :: Just Wondering :: :: Whats do u guys eat as a snack ? I live in dorm so i can exactly :: cook food( we have a meal plan ) . Just wondering what is a good :: food to eat for times when the dorm food is not diet friendly . Almonds. Just watch the amounts.
Aaron Baugher - 22 Mar 2006 07:13 GMT > Whats do u guys eat as a snack ? I live in dorm so i can exactly > cook food( we have a meal plan ) . Just wondering what is a good > food to eat for times when the dorm food is not diet friendly . Boiled eggs (slice them in half and top with mayo and mustard for lazy man's devilled eggs), jerky, sunflower or pumpkin seeds, nuts, cheese sticks, radishes, pork rinds.
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awais.asad@gmail.com - 22 Mar 2006 08:23 GMT I mean to write we cant cook . Thanks for the suggestions guys .Is there any decent microwaveable stuff . The hungryman meals and the kraft dinners both have a lot of carbs . Anything else you could suggest
Roger Zoul - 22 Mar 2006 12:43 GMT :: I mean to write we cant cook . Thanks for the suggestions guys .Is :: there any decent microwaveable stuff . The hungryman meals and the :: kraft dinners both have a lot of carbs . Anything else you could :: suggest You really want to avoid packaged & processed foods. I can't think of something that comes prepackaged that you can put in the micro.
Why not canned tuna, sardines, (in addition to those other snack items) etc?
Aaron Baugher - 22 Mar 2006 13:32 GMT > I mean to write we cant cook . Thanks for the suggestions guys .Is > there any decent microwaveable stuff . Not really, because sugar and starches are used as preservatives in packaged foods, so even things that could be low-carb if you made them yourself will be high-carb when pre-packaged.
In the microwave, I like to spread shredded cheese on a plate, top with mushrooms, jalapenos, or other pizza toppings, and nuke until the cheeze is all bubbling. Then just eat with a fork.
If I have cooked meat, like leftover chicken that I've taken off the bone, I'll put it in a bowl with cream cheese and heat it up in the microwave and stir for a quick snack.
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Bill Eitner - 22 Mar 2006 22:45 GMT You can cook meat and steam low starch veggies like broccoli and cauliflower in a microwave. Chicken, turkey and fish won't toughen up like beef and pork. You can use spices with color like paprika, chili powder, seasoned salt, curry powder, pepper, etc. to add color and flavor. I eat almost all of my meals in a dorm room type of environment. I get by really well with a hot plate, a two quart covered saucepan, a 12 inch covered chicken fryer (a big, deep, covered, thick-bottom pan), a rice cooker (works as a second self-heating pan for making tea, steaming veggies, etc.), a bowl, a dinner plate, and assorted utensils. The above setup isn't too expensive and produces food that is tastier and more varied than what you can do with a microwave. Add to that a diet scale and journaling software to really do your diet right.
Another level of pure simplicity is canned stuff and supplements. The fastest on-plan meal I know of is a serving or two of protein powder, a table- spoon of fish oil, and whatever other supplements your plan includes. A jar with a lid and water is all you need for that. And another great on- plan meal is a can of fish like salmon, mackerel or sardines and a can of some vegetable like green beans. I usually add a little hot sauce to the fish and veggies to add flavor and heat. All you need for that type of meal is a can opener and a fork. Obviously you don't need refrigeration to store canned stuff, and the canned fish is an outstanding value while being a nearly perfect low carb food (economical source of protein and essential fatty acids).
For more variety, if you don't mind upping the carbs occasionally, you can cook brown rice in the rice cooker with whatever flavoring you like. I like soy sauce or chicken bullion powder. Another cheap higher carb treat is oil-popped popcorn made in the big pan. With a scale and journaling software you can work occasional reasonable amounts of rice and popcorn into your diet if your not diabetic or a victim of high metabolic resistance. You can heat the canned veggies in the rice cooker. Another moderate carb treat is canned chili in the rice cooker. For tighter carb control you can get chili with no beans. One of my favorites is the canned mixed vegetables. The mixed veggies contain some potato so the carbs are a bit higher but not too bad. A common method for me is to start with a tablespoon of olive or canola oil in the big pan on top of the hot plate. From there I cook veggies or sausage and then pour in two eggs that I scrambled in the bowl. The result is a tasty and quick omelet (a low carb staple). The same goes for meat. A tablespoon of oil, then put in the meat, season the meat, and then add the veggies, chili or cooked rice so that the flavors can blend. If the pan is non-stick, start with enough water to steam raw veggies like broccoli or cauliflower. Cook both the meat and the raw veggies in the water at the same time to create a tasty one-pan on-plan meal. An omelet to start the day, meat and veggies later on, and supplements, tea and water round out a typical day of eating for me. And it can all be done in a dorm room if need be. Fresh food is the best. A refrigerator may be asking too much, but if you have one or access to one, make use of it. If not, try to arrange regular trips to the market so you can include as much fresh stuff (raw meat, eggs, a little cheese, and fresh raw veggies) in your diet as is possible. When you don't have time for fresh stuff, fall back to the canned stuff and protein powder. --
> I mean to write we cant cook . Thanks for the suggestions guys .Is > there any decent microwaveable stuff . The hungryman meals and the > kraft dinners both have a lot of carbs . Anything else you could suggest Joe the Aroma - 22 Mar 2006 15:46 GMT > Just Wondering > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Thx Cheesesticks, cheesesticks, cheesesticks.
Doug Freyburger - 22 Mar 2006 17:06 GMT > Just Wondering > > Whats do u guys eat as a snack ? I live in dorm so i can exactly cook > food( we have a meal plan ) . Just wondering what is a good food to eat > for times when the dorm food is not diet friendly . During Induction, the highest ratio of fat to any other calories. Think pepperoni, salami, leftover steak, boiled eggs. As soon as the carb cravings go away (probably second week) watch the amounts.
After Induction, crunchy bulky veggies start to win. Think celery sticks with or without cream cheese. Brocolli spears with or without ranch dip. Or either with or without a type of cheese that doesn't need to be kept cold.
jackiepatti@gmail.com - 22 Mar 2006 19:44 GMT > I had no choice with the hospital food I mean i had to eat whatever > they give me . I left it because of the glocuse drip( which is supposed [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > . So i guess I have started to lose weight ( the scale hasnt changed > yet though ). If you don't know whether or not mayo is allowed, you are not doing any low-carb program. To even ask the question implies a complete lack of comprehension of low-carb.
> Dont suggest any veggies I absolutely hate em . Fine. Let me ask you this - from where are you getting 20 g of carb per day? And how are you going to increase carb by 5 grams/day to get onto OWL? And continue increasing through the other phases? That is Atkins... that you increase carbs gradually, using vegetables, until you are on maintenance.
What you are doing is some random low-carb diet you made up. No problem. I do a low-carb diet that I've made up. Just that mine is based on informaiton because I'm not an idjit.
The problem comes when... you ask for advice and then refuse the advice you will be given before it's given.
You want to exclude veggies? Fine. Then the *only* way to increase carbs is gonna be sugar/starch, dairy products or fruit.
If you use sugar/starch to increase your carbs, you are going to be doing the yo-yo diet thing forever. Eat meat-only until you lose weight, eat sugar and starch until you blow up, lather, rinse, repeat until you wind up with diabetes. This is not Atkins, nor any other low-carb WOE. It's utter stupidity - what you seem determined to do, and you want us to "help" you along. Problem is... we're not stupid enough to help with this.
I personally think using dairy to increase carbs gradually would end up a problem in the weight-loss phases. I think if it turns out your OWL level is around 50-60 grams of carb, then the amount of dairy you'd have to eat to get those carbs would be an *awful* lot of fat, and hence calories. I think using dairy as the sole food to titrate carbohydrate would interfere with weight loss eventually - it'd work for a while, but there'd come a point where it'd stop working. I love dairy myself, but I don't try to get all my carbs from it as I eat tons of veggies.
If you wish to use fruit to increase your carbs, that is do-able. You pretty much have to stick to melons and berries as they are the only relatively low-carb fruits. And... if that is how you're going to do the plan... where your maintenance diet, for the rest of your life, consists of meat and fruit, that is do-able. If that's what you choose to eat for the rest of your life, more power to you. That will work, but you're going to have to do the research yourself and become knowledgeable about how low-carb diets work as I know of no book that has a maintenance plan consisting of meat and fruit.
Same applies if you decide to use dairy and fruit both - you're going to have to do the research and understand the biochemistry to devise your own plan.
> Also I was just wondering if any of u guys have tried protein bars . I > know I am allowed 40ish grm of carbs in induction .. I just dont know > the nutritional information for them . SO if they are ok could u tell > me which are the best ones . I saw something with 4gms of carbs but it > cost 5 bucks a bar . See, you *don't* know squat. The induction limit is 20 grams. Read a freaking book already.
But... no, you aren't going to do that. You want to change your entire lifestyle permanently, but it is too much trouble to find and read a book?
Cause you don't want to change your lifestyle permanently. You wanna do a fad diet, yo-yo indefinetly, and just do it wrong again. And you want our help doing it wrong. Problem is... we've read the freaking books... so we have no help to give you. Yo-yo'ing is worse for your health than just staying fat. So... might as well give up right now.
And even if it *were* too much trouble to locate the book, because you live far from all libraries and bookstores and have no card for online purchasing, there's the FAQ of this newsgroup if it's *really* too much trouble to get the damned book. It's freaking posted all the damned time and full of info regarding low-carb of either the Atkins or other varieities. You could do low-carb quite successfully without a book if you just read that.
So... it's too much trouble to *read*, but you're gonna change your life? Right.
See... you aren't going to change, you have no commitment to change. You're engaging in mental masturbation about change and jerking-around the members of this group who are wasting their time replying to you - cause you're completly full of sh.t.
You're not on Atkins. You're on some fad diet you invented that has no correlation with any published low-carb plan nor any reasonable homegrown plan.
I'm having a JC moment here; everything else I want to say would be a direct quote of him.
awais.asad@gmail.com - 22 Mar 2006 20:59 GMT Whatever the hell i am doing I am losing weight and all i asked was suggetions on what I could eat as a snack or as a meal . I love the fact that this is supposed to be a f.cking support group and all I hear here is people screaming about how i am not following the book and its called the low carb group not the atkins group .Seriously that conversation ended a week ago . I am losing weight thats all I care so stop trying to .... I dont even get the point of the last comment .
Thanks to the guys who posted the food suggetions . I like the cheese idea going out now and getting some cheese sticks and some jalepeno peppers and some cream cheeses . I guess dipping chesse sticks into cream cheese would be good . :P
Roger Zoul - 22 Mar 2006 21:28 GMT :: Whatever the hell i am doing I am losing weight and all i asked was :: suggetions on what I could eat as a snack or as a meal . I love the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] :: care so stop trying to .... I dont even get the point of the last :: comment . You're going to gain it right back, so why even bother? Once that happens you'll be saying "Atkins didn't work", when the real problem was you didn't work Atkins.
:: Thanks to the guys who posted the food suggetions . I like the cheese :: idea going out now and getting some cheese sticks and some jalepeno :: peppers and some cream cheeses . I guess dipping chesse sticks into :: cream cheese would be good . :P Baby Strange - 22 Mar 2006 23:46 GMT > Whatever the hell i am doing I am losing weight and all i asked was > suggetions on what I could eat as a snack or as a meal . Bullshit. In your original post, all you really wanted to know was why you weren't losing weight as fast as you wanted to. You came in here, claiming you were doing Atkins, and obviously didn't know what the hell you were talking about. And we called you on your ignorance and excuse-making.
Don't like it? Tough.
> I love the > fact that this is supposed to be a f.cking support group and all I hear > here is people screaming about how i am not following the book and its > called the low carb group not the atkins group. In your original post, you mentioned the Atkins diet, and said you were back on it. *You're* the one who brought up Atkins in the first place.
So don't blame us when people who have actually read the book and are following the Atkins WOE as the book recommends tell you point-blank that you're just another a yo-yo no-carb crash dieter who doesn't know a damned thing about Atkins--because that's exactly what you are. You don't care about making a lifestyle change; you just want to lose weight and lose it fast and have it be easy.
If you're too lazy to even get your hands on a copy of the book--which can be had used just about everywhere--why should we lend you our support? It's wasted effort. You've been given some very good advice despite this, such as finding vegetables you can tolerate and learning to like them, but since that isn't the Magic Diet Pill you want, you pushed it aside. So tell me--why should anyone offer support to someone who rejects the most valuable advice straight off the bat?
> Seriously that > conversation ended a week ago . I am losing weight thats all I care The successful people around here (or on any dieting group, really) don't just take weight off; they *keep* it off.
In order to do that they've had to develop new eating habits, and make them a permanent part of their lives. At some point, a lot of us realize that it isn't just about losing weight, it's about enjoying good overall health, as well. And until you realize that, and accept that you need to make some major changes if you are to be healthier and keep weight off permanently, nothing we have to say here will be useful to you.
If losing weight is the only thing you care about, then guess what? You're just going to gain it all right back. If this is the way you've been "doing Atkins" all along, I'll even put money on it, and I'm not a gambler. You'll hit a plateau, lose what little motivation you do have, and eventually you'll be back to your normal eating habits.
> Thanks to the guys who posted the food suggetions . I like the cheese > idea going out now and getting some cheese sticks and some jalepeno > peppers and some cream cheeses . I guess dipping chesse sticks into > cream cheese would be good . :P In your original post, you mentioned, "[M]y blood pressure is insane right now." I'm sure all the sodium in the cheese and deli meats and tuna will do you a fat lot of good...[/sarcasm]
Tom - 28 Mar 2006 22:50 GMT You talk about reading the book, but you don't have one single veg in your diet plan. That is NOT Atkins.
Lee Rodgers - 18 Mar 2006 00:57 GMT >Hey > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >Btw >Could someone tell me if mayonnaise is allowed ? Read the FAQ jack http://www.grossweb.com/asdlc
And here are the rules to Induction: http://www.titanic.kn-bremen.de/induction.html
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