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Myths or Issues relating to dangers and vitamins with lo-carb diets?

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jeffsnox@gmail.com - 19 Mar 2006 13:11 GMT
Hi,

A member of my family is regularly hassling me to stop low-carbing. I
really don't want to, I feel great on it. But some of the issues
raised, if not unfounded, do worry me a little.

1. I'm told that without sufficient carbohydrate intake - despite
taking supplementary vitamins - my body will struggle to uptake the
vitamins/minerals it requires. And that this can lead to long term
health problems.

2. I'm told that there have recently been many instances of sudden
death of Atkins followers due to a build-up of certain acids in their
blood. Most deaths, apparently, have occured in people who have been
following the diet for about 10 years. Allegedly they felt fine - until
they died unexpectedly.

3. Vague one this - but I'm told that too much protein in your diet as
opposed to a balance with carbs can lead to heart problems.

I'd appreciate your thoughts on these three.

Many thanks!
Jbuch - 19 Mar 2006 13:50 GMT
> Hi,
>
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>
> Many thanks!

You could always ask (DEMAND) to SEE the articles that document this
stuff. You want to see the articles because
.... well people get things garbled so easily.
.... there are a lot of false myths and stories about any diet,
including Atkins and there are lists of incorrect stories and myths in
the books.
.... You heard that "Low Fat" was the only healthy diet, but the
Government just published a $400 million dollar study that said the
benefits of "Low Fat" weren't very evident, if at all. You don't want to
fall for undocumented "Expert Opinion" like that which fueled the "Low
Fat" insanity.

Thank them for their concern, but tell them a doctor (PhD, not MD, but
don't tell them that) told you to insist that you have something
authoritative to READ and show to other doctors for an opinion. Anyone
can tell an interesting distorted story, and get it to spread. Look at
the cheap magazines at the grocery checkout. Health is too important to
get such sensational information passed off as truth.

Ask them if they personally know of a diet that has worked as well for
them as Atkins has for you.  You would like to talk to anyone who has
lost _______ (fill in the blank) pounds and kept it off.

Again, thank them for their concern.  Let them know you appreciate
informed sincere concern.  But that you will probably hate those who
spread false information that could negate all of the hard work you have
already put into becomming trimmer and feeling better.  Tell them that
they would surely feel the same.

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2) Exercise: It's Non-Negotiable..... Chapter 22 title, Atkins book
3) Don't Diet Without Supplemental Nutrients... Chapter 23 title, Atkins
book
4) A sensible eating plan, and follow it. (Atkins, Self Made or Other)

trader4@optonline.net - 19 Mar 2006 14:15 GMT
> Hi,
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> vitamins/minerals it requires. And that this can lead to long term
> health problems.

What makes you think that pasta, cake and potatoes has more essential
nutrients than steak, broccoli, spinach, blueberries, and all the other
wonderful food you can eat on LC?

> 2. I'm told that there have recently been many instances of sudden
> death of Atkins followers due to a build-up of certain acids in their
> blood. Most deaths, apparently, have occured in people who have been
> following the diet for about 10 years. Allegedly they felt fine - until
> they died unexpectedly.

According to the tabloids, Elvis is living with Martians.  Did you ask
for a reference for these many instances?  I've been LC for 30 years
and apparently I'm still alive and not fat either.

> 3. Vague one this - but I'm told that too much protein in your diet as
> opposed to a balance with carbs can lead to heart problems.

Why ask us?  Ask whovever fed you this BS for proof.  It won't be
forthcoming.

> I'd appreciate your thoughts on these three.
>
> Many thanks!
jeffsnox@gmail.com - 19 Mar 2006 14:25 GMT
Thanks for the replies so far.

In answer to this:

>> 1. I'm told that without sufficient carbohydrate intake - despite
>> taking supplementary vitamins - my body will struggle to uptake the
>> vitamins/minerals it requires. And that this can lead to long term
>> health problems.

> What makes you think that pasta, cake and potatoes has more essential
> nutrients than steak, broccoli, spinach, blueberries, and all the other
> wonderful food you can eat on LC?

That's not their point really. Their point was that you could eat as
many nutrients as you like - but that without the intake of carbs -
your body can't metabolise them. Anyone heard of any truth behind
this??

Thanks again,
trader4@optonline.net - 19 Mar 2006 14:45 GMT
> Thanks for the replies so far.
>
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>
> Thanks again,

No, now does that make you feel better?
Pat in TX - 19 Mar 2006 15:34 GMT
> That's not their point really. Their point was that you could eat as
> many nutrients as you like - but that without the intake of carbs -
> your body can't metabolise them. Anyone heard of any truth behind
> this??

This is where your family member has gone wrong: the Atkins diet is not
"without the intake of carbs".  A lot of people who skim the news appear to
think the same thing. My son has said to me: "You can't eat that--it's got
carbs in it!"  People who do not read about this diet think that it is a NO
carb diet when it is really a "controlled carb" diet.

So, first bring your family member up to speed on what the diet actually
entails. If you start off with a fallacy, it becomes difficult to get back
to the truth.

Pat in TX
Roger Zoul - 19 Mar 2006 18:04 GMT
:: Thanks for the replies so far.
::
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:: your body can't metabolise them. Anyone heard of any truth behind
:: this??

Yes.  The truth is that's total nonsense. The body can produce all the
carbohydrate it needs, thus, dietary carbs are nonessential.  This is backed
up by research.
Susan - 19 Mar 2006 18:10 GMT
> Yes.  The truth is that's total nonsense. The body can produce all the
> carbohydrate it needs, thus, dietary carbs are nonessential.  This is backed
> up by research.

Yeah, and it's in every biochemistry text.  Humans die without fat or
protein, but can live without carbs because they're not essential in
human nutrition; we can manufacture the glucose we need from protein
and, if necessary, fat.

Susan
Jo Anne Slaven - 20 Mar 2006 01:46 GMT
>Thanks for the replies so far.
>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>your body can't metabolise them. Anyone heard of any truth behind
>this??

Tell them that the broccoli, cabbage, and romaine lettuce you are
eating *ARE* carbs.

Jo Anne
JC Der Koenig - 19 Mar 2006 15:08 GMT
> Hi,
>
> 1. I'm told that without sufficient carbohydrate intake - despite
> taking supplementary vitamins - my body will struggle to uptake the
> vitamins/minerals it requires. And that this can lead to long term
> health problems.

Vitamins and minerals are generally fat soluble.

Stupidity can lead to long term health problems.
Alice Faber - 19 Mar 2006 18:32 GMT
> Hi,
>
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> following the diet for about 10 years. Allegedly they felt fine - until
> they died unexpectedly.

There was a recent news report about *one* person, who had many
additional health problems, who died, apparently, of ketoacidosis, while
on what she claimed was the Atkins diet. Even reading between the lines
in the news reports of whatever was presented at a medical meeting,
there's doubt as to whether what she was doing *was* the Atkins diet,
whether she was under a doctor's care before she became ill, and what
other health conditions she had. The thing with ketoacidosis, if,
indeed, that's what she died of, is that you don't just drop dead. You
feel like crap for several days, and it gets progressively worse. So the
appropriate answer to this objection is "my doctor has given me a clean
bill of health, and told me to lose weight; I'm following my doctor's
orders."

Believe me, there are still enough people out there who want to
discredit Atkins that, if there were "many instances" of people dropping
dead, these critics would *not* be focusing on a single, dubious case
report.

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Dusty Bleher - 19 Mar 2006 19:52 GMT
Hello "Alice" and all;

...
>> 2. I'm told that there have recently been many instances of
>> sudden
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> there's doubt as to whether what she was doing *was* the Atkins
> diet,
Is it just me?  Between tobacco caused deaths (435,000), CHD &
related deaths from poor diet and lack of physical activity
(365,000), and alcohol abuse (85,000); nearly 1-million folks died
of more or less preventable causes last year.  And the ONLY thing
that the paper could find to garner a headline was one, single death
made into a major case because the word "Atkins" was mentioned by
the victim...  <big sigh!>

...
> Believe me, there are still enough people out there who want to
> discredit Atkins that, if there were "many instances" of people
> dropping
> dead, these critics would *not* be focusing on a single, dubious
> case
> report.
Got that right!

L8r all,
DustyB
trader4@optonline.net - 20 Mar 2006 12:09 GMT
> > Hi,
> >
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> dead, these critics would *not* be focusing on a single, dubious case
> report.

Now she supposed to have died too?   The only reports I heard said she
was hospitalized, not that she died.
Glassman - 19 Mar 2006 20:10 GMT
> Hi,
>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> following the diet for about 10 years. Allegedly they felt fine - until
> they died unexpectedly.

 The book is now almost 40 years old. Last I heard there are currently 30
million or so Atkins or modified Atkins style followers.  If they were
dropping like flies, we'd be knee deep in bodies. Absolute nonsense.

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Rocko - 19 Mar 2006 20:54 GMT
When confronted with "I heard this" or "Someone said that..", I always
reply: "Show me the data"

I like the other poster's reference to "Elvis and Aliens"

Many false or un-informed biases against LC exists.. It is different to old
beliefs and hard for some to accept change.

I'm no expert, but I see that when I lower my carb intake, I do better with
my weight.

> Hi,
>
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>
> Many thanks!
Doug Freyburger - 20 Mar 2006 19:27 GMT
> A member of my family is regularly hassling me to stop low-carbing.

By the way, don't *ever* expect that to stop.  You can't change
someone else.  And there's also the fact that ignorance is
curable with education but stupidity is incurable.  Even smart
people are dumb about some topics.  May as well try to
cure the ignorance.

My suggestion - Thanks for your concern.  How long ago is it
again?  You know, since you read the book ...
Joe the Aroma - 20 Mar 2006 20:16 GMT
>> A member of my family is regularly hassling me to stop low-carbing.
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> My suggestion - Thanks for your concern.  How long ago is it
> again?  You know, since you read the book ...

Whenever someone hassles me about eating this way, I point out what I really
ate that day and why it's so bad. I was being semi-hassled last week and
pointed out that for dinner I had fish and roast veggies and a salad. What
is so bad about that?
jackiepatti@gmail.com - 22 Mar 2006 01:35 GMT
> Whenever someone hassles me about eating this way, I point out what I really
> ate that day and why it's so bad. I was being semi-hassled last week and
> pointed out that for dinner I had fish and roast veggies and a salad. What
> is so bad about that?

You think you can eat fish and vegetables and be healthy?  You're gonna
DIE, DIE, DIE!

You have to eat a *balanced* diet... fish and vegetables is not
balanced!  You're not getting your RDA of sugar, bread or potatoes!
You're going to get diabetes due to lack of sugar, and your brain needs
bread for fuel so you'll be stupid too, and your kidneys will fall
completly out of your body without potatoes.  Plus you're missing other
*important* nutrients here... you must add Ben and Jerry's!  And french
fries!  And potato chips!  And Hershey kisses!  Your diet is *very*
unbalanced, there's no junk food at all!

Plus, with all those excess vegetables, you're gonna get too many
vitamins and wind up overdosed on them.  People do overdose on
vitamines, ya know!

These are basic biochemical FACTOIDS, peoples!
 
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