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Weight Loss Forum / Low Carb / March 2006Doc Wants Me on Atkins
I had my annual physical today, and my doctor really, really didn't like the blood sugar readings I had collected. She knows that I did well on Atkins before, and she wants me to make it a permanent lifestyle. This is all about blood sugar control, so I have Binge Eating Disorder, and can't find a therapist less than 50 miles away who has the faintest clue how to work with eating disorders. The cool thing about going back on Atkins is that I may occasionally eat something I shouldn't, but I don't eat drastic amounts of anything (besides vegetables). A half serving of steel cut oats at bedtime does a nice job of keeping things level overnight, and my fasting BG is lower on the mornings when I'd eating the oats than on the ones when I hadn't. My other low-carb sin is that I plan on eating an apple for my mid-morning and mid-afternoon snacks. With those "treats" as a planned part of my eating plan, I shouldn't feel deprived at all. And thank you, JC, for telling me about standing push-ups. I feel so good when I've done a bunch of those and some other exercises. Okay, gotta go set up an account on FitDay. Peace, Carol > I had my annual physical today, and my doctor really, really didn't > like the blood sugar readings I had collected. She knows that I did > well on Atkins before, and she wants me to make it a permanent > lifestyle. This is all about blood sugar control, so Hi Carol, welcome back! It's great to see you here again!  SignatureSaffire 205/136/125 Atkins since 6/14/03 Progress photo: http://photos.yahoo.com/saffire333 *** This post originated in alt.support.diet.low-carb -- its appearance in any other forum is deceptive and unauthorized. *** welcome back >I had my annual physical today, and my doctor really, really didn't > like the blood sugar readings I had collected. She knows that I did [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Peace, > Carol > I had my annual physical today, and my doctor really, really didn't > like the blood sugar readings I had collected. She knows that I did [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Peace, > Carol Welcome back Carol. Tara |I had my annual physical today, and my doctor really, really didn't |like the blood sugar readings I had collected. She knows that I did [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] |Peace, |Carol Hi Carol. Good luck this go-around! SignaturePeter carol, a very helpful book is THE DIABETES SOLUTION by dr. bernstein. it goes well with the ATKINS program and gives you great tips! welcome back to the group! >carol, >a very helpful book is THE DIABETES SOLUTION by dr. bernstein. >it goes well with the ATKINS program and gives you great tips! >welcome back to the group! Hi Rosie! I did buy a copy of Dr. Bernstein's book and read it. I tried following his diet, but I just plain can't give up all fruit for the rest of my life, as he dictates. There were a few other things, too, but I want my apples, dammit! LOL! Seriously, it was so restrictive, I know I could never live that way for more than a month, tops. And I tried South Beach. Past phase one, it's not restrictive enough for a diabetic. So, Atkins it is! Thanks for the welcome and the recommendation. *smile* And thank you to everyone else who welcomed me back the the fold. Peace, Carol :: On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 15:21:59 GMT, "readandpostrosie" :: <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] :: Peace, :: Carol Hi Carol. Have you looked at "Atkins Diabetes Revolution"? >Hi Carol. > >Have you looked at "Atkins Diabetes Revolution"? Nopers, I haven't. Is it extremely restrictive, like the Bernstein plan? I need to feel like a human, if that makes any sense. Man can not live by yogurt alone. Peace, Carol > Nopers, I haven't. Is it extremely restrictive, like the Bernstein > plan? I need to feel like a human, if that makes any sense. > > Man can not live by yogurt alone. Bernstein is a great font of information, but you don't have to follow everything to the T. Use a glucose meter, make sure whatever you eat doesn't spike you higher than 140 at any point, and keep your limbs, eyesight, kidneys with you til you depart. Berries can usually be worked in after you have good control, so can some other fruits, in small portions; there are tradeoffs. Sometimes you splurge, then you hit the treadmill or sidewalk for a good 20 minutes to prevent the spike. This is what I do if I have sushi or dessert, and my bg doesn't go high. HTH. Susan >Bernstein is a great font of information, but you don't have to follow >everything to the T. Use a glucose meter, make sure whatever you eat >doesn't spike you higher than 140 at any point, and keep your limbs, >eyesight, kidneys with you til you depart. 140 now! Last I heard, it was 180. I have some hard work ahead of me. >Berries can usually be worked in after you have good control, so can >some other fruits, in small portions; there are tradeoffs. Sometimes you >splurge, then you hit the treadmill or sidewalk for a good 20 minutes to >prevent the spike. This is what I do if I have sushi or dessert, and my >bg doesn't go high. When I was just taking Metformin, I couldn't eat any berries at all, because they spiked me. My doctor added 8mg of Avandia at my latest visit, so maybe I'll be able to move on to Phase 2 this time around. Before when I was doing Atkins, the only way I could maintain acceptable BG readings was to stay around 15 grams of carbs a day. I'm hopeful that the additional medication will allow me a bit more freedom of choice with foods. My kingdom for an apple! Peace, Carol >>Bernstein is a great font of information, but you don't have to follow >>everything to the T. Use a glucose meter, make sure whatever you eat [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > 140 now! Last I heard, it was 180. I have some hard work ahead of > me. The ADA still says 180. The problem is that a lot of cellular damage happens over 100, and organ damage is significant over 140. Joslin says 160 at one hour, and 140 at two hours. I stay under 120 at all times. I used to do it with diet alone, but now I take metformin for insulin resistance, too. > When I was just taking Metformin, I couldn't eat any berries at all, > because they spiked me. My doctor added 8mg of Avandia at my latest > visit, so maybe I'll be able to move on to Phase 2 this time around. Or maybe Bernstein was right about fruit in your case. You may have to limit them a lot more than you want to. Or take them right before exercise. > Before when I was doing Atkins, the only way I could maintain > acceptable BG readings was to stay around 15 grams of carbs a day. I'm > hopeful that the additional medication will allow me a bit more > freedom of choice with foods. > > My kingdom for an apple! Carol, 15 grams a day must be very hard. Susan >Carol, 15 grams a day must be very hard. I had lost lots of weight (gained some, but not all, of it back), but I just couldn't live like that for the long-term. I'm hopeful that the Avandia will allow me to have my apple and eat it too. <G> Thanks for the encouragement and information! Peace, Carol > I had lost lots of weight (gained some, but not all, of it back), but > I just couldn't live like that for the long-term. I'm hopeful that > the Avandia will allow me to have my apple and eat it too. <G> Carol, as long as you are very careful about your total carbs, those meds should allow you to have an apple, or half an apple. Susan > Bernstein is a great font of information, but you don't have to follow > everything to the T. Use a glucose meter, make sure whatever you eat [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > prevent the spike. This is what I do if I have sushi or dessert, and my > bg doesn't go high. This is my basic philosophy. I like Bernstein very, very much. I recommend his book often. But I've never followed his diet and have no intention of doing so. Bernstein is there for *understanding* how diabetes works. Like... for... when you get sick and your bg spikes and stays spiked for a week even though you're too ill to eat at *all* - ando you know that illness causes high bg. Or for knowing which supplements and drugs have truly been shown to lower bg or reduce IR or such. He's *great* for information and learning about diabetes and understanding it. But... how I eat and exercise and which supplements I take - this stuff are decisions I've made for myself. I've learned from a lot of different resources, including Bernstein, Atkins, the Eades... but the ultimate is what my bg meter reads. I do a homegrown diet. And it's primarily based on bg readings... what I have found works for *me*. I don't eat apples or bananas, but I do eat fruit almost every single day - generally melons and berries, in amounts I know don't spike me much. My bg is always high in the mornings, lotsa experiments and theories have eben tested and nothing lowers my fbg to what I consider acceptable fasting levels. But... I find it I have my fruit with yogurt or cottage cheese for breakfats, there's almost no spike... it doesn't rise above 120-140 or so (which is how I wake up anyways). So that's what I do. I tried everything to lower my morning blood glucose... have read tons on Dawn Phenomenon, and even tried not eating at all and exercising first thing to burn it off. Nothing fixes it... I have pretty high bg in the morning and it seems to take hours to come down. I eat fruit then and it doesn't go up any, so that's good enough for me. The long and short of it is... regardless of what I do, what I eat at night or in the morning(I've even experimented with setting the alarm and getting up to eat in the middle of the night!), or when I exercise... my bg is a bit higher than I like for several hours each morning. And fruit doesn't particularly make that worse... so that's when I eat my fruit. But... it took freaking months and months of trying things and monitoring before I figured this out about myself. It's *always* personal... about what works on *your* blood glucose. And ya can't find out except to test, test, test... >I tried everything to lower my morning blood glucose... have read tons >on Dawn Phenomenon, and even tried not eating at all and exercising [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >exercise... my bg is a bit higher than I like for several hours each >morning. Have you given steel cut oats at bedtime a try? I've had good success with that approach. Dawn Phenomenon sucks, doesn't it? Peace, Carol <jackiepatti@gmail.com> wrote in > My bg is always high in the mornings, lotsa experiments and theories Have you tried Chromium? Well, I was here, and I did well, and my bg numbers were good. And then I left, and well, I'm up a lot of weight and the bg numbers are not good. My doctor wants me back on this program, and I want to be here, too; I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired. Groceries in? check FitDay account reactiviated? check Confessional post to this newsgroup? check I'm back and it's for life. *Thank you* for being here. mmm 270/270/169 Welcome back Marilyn. I wish you much success. -- Cheri Marilyn Matte wrote in message ... >Well, I was here, and I did well, and my bg numbers were good. And then I >left, and well, I'm up a lot of weight and the bg numbers are not good. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >mmm >270/270/169 > Welcome back Marilyn. I wish you much success. Thank you, Cheri -- this feels right. I woke this morning with a sense that I was in control for the first time in a long time. mmm Glad you see you're back, Marilyn. Please stay! :: Well, I was here, and I did well, and my bg numbers were good. And :: then I left, and well, I'm up a lot of weight and the bg numbers are [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] :: mmm :: 270/270/169 > Glad you see you're back, Marilyn. Please stay! That's my plan, Roger -- thanks for the warm welcome. mmm 270/270/169 >Well, I was here, and I did well, and my bg numbers were good. And then I >left, and well, I'm up a lot of weight and the bg numbers are not good. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >*Thank you* for being here. Good to see you, Marilyn! Peace, Carol, who is just joining the fold again, too > Good to see you, Marilyn! > Peace, > Carol, who is just joining the fold again, too Thank you, Carol; it's great to see familiar names. Your welcome is appreciated. We *can* do this. mmm >> Good to see you, Marilyn! >> Peace, >> Carol, who is just joining the fold again, too > >Thank you, Carol; it's great to see familiar names. Your welcome is >appreciated. We *can* do this. You bet your shrinking a$$ we can! Peace, Carol "Marilyn Matte" <ag868@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in > I'm back and it's for life. > > *Thank you* for being here. > > mmm > 270/270/169 Sounds like you know what to do & have the motivation again. It's just a matter of time, so how long have you given yourself to lose 100Lbs? All the best! DB SignatureLC again since 1/14/06 277/249/220 > Sounds like you know what to do & have the motivation again. > It's just a matter of time, so how long have you given yourself to lose > 100Lbs? Thank you, DB. Thirteen months, actually -- my birthday in May of 2007. mmm "Marilyn Matte" <ag868@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in >> It's just a matter of time, so how long have you given yourself to lose >> 100Lbs? > > Thank you, DB. Thirteen months, actually -- my birthday in May of 2007. Sounds like a good plan! I think some people get too impatient & give up when they don't drop a large sum in a very short time. About 2 Lbs a week is a good rate, but you'll probaby start looking great within 20 Ibs too! I'd like to drop another 10 pounds right away, but my lifestyle will not allow for that, so I'll just have to be patient, but again I'm in no hurry! All the best! DB > Well, I was here, and I did well, and my bg numbers were good. And then I > left, and well, I'm up a lot of weight and the bg numbers are not good. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > I'm back and it's for life. Welcome back, Marilyn! SignatureSaffire 205/136/125 Atkins since 6/14/03 Progress photo: http://photos.yahoo.com/saffire333 *** This post originated in alt.support.diet.low-carb -- its appearance in any other forum is deceptive and unauthorized. *** > Welcome back, Marilyn! Thank you, Saffire! You, and your success, and your posts, are one of the talisman's I'm hanging on to. (No pressure, just letting you know, I'm a fan <grin>.) mmm > > Welcome back, Marilyn! > > Thank you, Saffire! You, and your success, and your posts, are one of the > talisman's I'm hanging on to. (No pressure, just letting you know, I'm a > fan <grin>.) Thanks! It's kind of strange for me sometimes. I know I've lost a lot of weight, but many others have lost MUCH more (and much faster than me), so sometimes I feel like I'm getting more credit than I deserve -- but then I look at my pictures ;-) It's nice to know I'm an inspiration, because it sure made a difference for ME to be inspired! I also think it's important for people to know that we DO lose at different rates but we CAN do it! SignatureSaffire 205/136/125 Atkins since 6/14/03 Progress photo: http://photos.yahoo.com/saffire333 *** This post originated in alt.support.diet.low-carb -- its appearance in any other forum is deceptive and unauthorized. *** > > > Welcome back, Marilyn! > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > of weight, but many others have lost MUCH more (and much faster than > me), so sometimes I feel like I'm getting more credit than I deserve -- Not everyone who loses weight quickly manages to keep it off long term. The speed or amount of loss means little if proper eating habits haven't been established during the process. > but then I look at my pictures ;-) It's nice to know I'm an > inspiration, because it sure made a difference for ME to be inspired! I > also think it's important for people to know that we DO lose at > different rates but we CAN do it! Positive attitude and consistency. Sounds to me like you're a good example for inspiration. You've done really well. > -- > Saffire [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > *** This post originated in alt.support.diet.low-carb -- its appearance > in any other forum is deceptive and unauthorized. *** http://www.atkins.com/articles/atkins-phases here you go carol....................start with the induction and read and post daily! Carol~ I also suffer from Binge Eating Disorder, or compulsive overeating. I opted to attend OA instead of a therapist. The group has been really supportive for me and it's free! I have no trouble using Atkins as my food plan and letting the OA Program help get my binge eating under control. Have you ever considered it? Tessy >I had my annual physical today, and my doctor really, really didn't > like the blood sugar readings I had collected. She knows that I did [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Peace, > Carol >I also suffer from Binge Eating Disorder, or compulsive overeating. I opted >to attend OA instead of a therapist. The group has been really supportive [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Have you ever considered it? Hi Tessy, Yes, I've gone to OA. A couple different groups. They tended to discount bingers who didn't purge, and no one wanted to sponsor someone who didn't have a "real" problem. What I have to do is get my brain re-programmed to think about each bite and ask myself if it will spin me out of control or not. You know how that goes. A few weeks ago, I was going nuts, jonesing for a candy fix (I won't mention which kind, in case it's a trigger for someone). I sent my sweetie to the store for "the biggest bag they've got." He came home with 4 pounds of the stuff. I consumed it all within 24 hours. I was on Atkins for 4 months in 2003, and lost 40 pounds. I didn't binge during that time. I beat myself up, big-time, if I ate a few extra peanuts or indulged in a small serving of something that wasn't on-plan, though. I'll try hard not to sweat the small stuff, and not to allow the small stuff to become big stuff. With the addition of Avandia to my diabetes medications, I'm hopeful that I'll be able to advance to Ongoing Weightloss this time around. It's hard to live on Induction for months at a time. I hope you're a regular. I'd love to have someone to talk to who understands what this disorder is like and what it does to a person. I can't begin to tell you how many hours I've spent sobbing, calling myself a loser and a pig. Saves JC the trouble. <G> This is Day One on Induction. I had a cheddar cheese omelette for breakfast. Yay, me! Peace, Carol Hey y'all- If you suspect you or a family member or friend is suffering from an eating disorder, a consultation with a physician or psychiatrist is really indicated - I am aware that in the case of binge-eating and bulimia, a deficit in serotonin metablism is the suspected culprit; therefore SSRIs are frequently a very useful first-line treatment, along with individual and family psychotherapy as adjunctive treatments. Combination treatment of this sort tends to produce the highest 'cure' or remission rates in the literature.... just my two cents. -Dr. P > Carol~ > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > Peace, > > Carol > Hey y'all- > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > -Dr. P Howdy Doc! I'm under a psychiatrist's care for a multitude of issues. I'm taking 80mg of Celexa each day, so I think my seratonin should be in good shape. *Should be," not necessarily "is." The closest ED therapist is 50 miles away, and we're unable to afford the gas and parking right now. No one in our vicinity will touch ED issues. It's very frustrating. Atkins does do a lot to reduce the urges to eat who-knows-what. Klonopin helps too, but I have to talk to my shrink about break-through depression in the evening. Between depression and anxiety, I'm a trainwreck waiting to happen at night. It'll be a little over a month before I see the doc again. I binge when I start feeling like I'm, "coming right out of my skin." It's an emotional band-aid of sorts. Pretty crappy band-aid, huh? Thanks so much for sharing your expertise! Peace, Carol >I binge when I start feeling like I'm, "coming right out of my skin." >It's an emotional band-aid of sorts. Pretty crappy band-aid, huh? Yes, but it tends to become habitual, if destructive. Glad you're back on lc, and good to see you back, Carol. HG >>I binge when I start feeling like I'm, "coming right out of my skin." >>It's an emotional band-aid of sorts. Pretty crappy band-aid, huh? > >Yes, but it tends to become habitual, if destructive. Absolutely! >Glad you're back on lc, and good to see you back, Carol. Thanks, Hannah! I know I'm doing this more for diabtes control than for weight loss, but I was happily surprised by a 2.5 pound drop since yesterday morning. And my fasting blood sugar is down 33 points. Whoo-hoo! Peace, Carol |
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