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Laureen - 24 Apr 2006 23:14 GMT
Ok. About your trip ...... Ummmmm in a little over 12 weeks when you
come to spend the week here with us we were going to take you into the
Olympic National Park out near Forks. I wasn't going to drop you and
leave you there or anything(lol) but I DO THINK WE WILL STAY IN THE CAR
K!!!!! No picnic K? Read on, Brian is one of Larry co-workers here in
the community:

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/6420AP_WA_Bear_Attack.html

Laureen
Tom G - 25 Apr 2006 01:33 GMT
 Were you planning on stalking bears?  :o)

 Seriously, I don't think you need to worry. We have been camping, fishing,
and back packing in the foothills of Alberta ever since we were kids. I met
my wife while on a camping trip with my brothers. Black bears are quite
common in this region. They even come down occasionally into Fish Creek
Provincial Park in Calgary which is a block from our house. The only problem
I or my friends have had with bears is destroyed coolers. Bears are
dangerous, but it's not like they're waiting for you to step out of your
car.
 They tend to avoid people, but are also attracted to easy food. I do carry
bear spray, but have never had to use it. Bears are more interested in what
you brought with you. They also like to claim berry patches as their own and
don't appreciate competition. Mother bears with cubs are more of a threat
than a lone bear.
  People in groups tend to be safer than by yourself. Being noisy like
talking, singing, or hanging a spoon with a pot while hiking lets the bear
know your coming. If a bear looks interested in you, go in the opposite
direction from him, and leave whatever you are carrying behind. Don't just
drop your food and keep walking with your pack, he'll think you still have
some food and will likely follow you.
  Some of the bear attacks that we hear about involve tourists feeding what
looks like a tame bear. Apparently they don't like it when you run out of
cookies.
  Every weekend there are thousands of people that flee the city to go
camping, hiking, fishing, back packing, mountain biking, horse back riding,
and picnics. All without incident. During these outings there are more
people that are hurt or killed by avalanches, climbing falls, drownings, or
vehicle accidents.
 I'm not a bear expert, but I'll bet that if anything happens to you during
the trip, it will likely be from a car accident, or a stab wound from the
wiener roasting stick then a bear attack.

> Ok. About your trip ...... Ummmmm in a little over 12 weeks when you
> come to spend the week here with us we were going to take you into the
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> Laureen
Laureen - 25 Apr 2006 01:38 GMT
Hello??? I was being funny. This is bear and cougar country. I lived in
Alaska. I could smell those stinky buggers after they had roamed
through my property ( of course it was after they had rolled in the
rotten fish from the broken down cannery truck on the highway)
Laureen

> Were you planning on stalking bears?  :o)
>
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> >
> > Laureen
MaryL - 25 Apr 2006 13:13 GMT
> Hello??? I was being funny. This is bear and cougar country. I lived in
> Alaska. I could smell those stinky buggers after they had roamed
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>> > Laureen

Sorry...I responded to your first post before I saw this follow-up.  I also
took your first message as serious, rather than a joke.  However, I still
find it ironic that the hunter became the hunted.

MaryL
Tom G - 25 Apr 2006 14:34 GMT
> > Hello??? I was being funny. This is bear and cougar country. I lived in
> > Alaska. I could smell those stinky buggers after they had roamed
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> Sorry...I responded to your first post before I saw this follow-up.  I also
> took your first message as serious, rather than a joke.

   It's probably a situation where you get to thinking about a scenario and
think it's funny. Then you try and tell everybody else in the room. Nobody
gets it, and they look at you like you've lost it.

> However, I still
> find it ironic that the hunter became the hunted.

  And that part is funny, in a twisted sort of way.

> MaryL
JC Der Koenig - 25 Apr 2006 02:23 GMT
>  Were you planning on stalking bears?  :o)
>  I do carry bear spray,

Namely, a 30.06
Tom G - 25 Apr 2006 05:18 GMT
> >  Were you planning on stalking bears?  :o)
> >  I do carry bear spray,
>
> Namely, a 30.06

  Hehe, that would be the spray of choice. Even if you miss, the bear takes
off. While the pepper is likely to just make the bear pissed. It would
probably be better if I sprayed it on me instead to make myself taste bad.
JC Der Koenig - 25 Apr 2006 12:21 GMT
>> >  Were you planning on stalking bears?  :o)
>> >  I do carry bear spray,
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> off. While the pepper is likely to just make the bear pissed. It would
> probably be better if I sprayed it on me instead to make myself taste bad.

It's all good until you find a bear that has acquired a taste for spicy
food.
Tom G - 25 Apr 2006 14:18 GMT
> >> >  Were you planning on stalking bears?  :o)
> >> >  I do carry bear spray,
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> It's all good until you find a bear that has acquired a taste for spicy
> food.

  There's an old joke about how to tell the difference between black bear
and grizzly bear droppings on the trail.

  "Black bear droppings are usually smaller, and may contain berries and
squirrel fur. Grizzly's contain little bells, and smell like pepper spray."
Marengo - 25 Apr 2006 04:16 GMT
|Ok. About your trip ...... Ummmmm in a little over 12 weeks when you
|come to spend the week here with us we were going to take you into the
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|Laureen

AAAIIIEEEEAAAA!  It's the "two bite wounds on the upper thigh"
mentioned in that article  that got me -- that's too close for
comfort!

I ain't a-sceered of no bears though.  I used to live on Ski Mountain
in Gatlinburg, TN, right on the edge of the Great Smokey Mountain
National Park.  The black bears used to come into the condo complex
and rummage through the dumpsters and harass the residents. When I got
home with groceries at night I had to look around carefully before I
got out of the car then run like hell for my door with the food.  It
was a game all the neighbors played.

My sister was just here last week with Nathan, her 13 year old for
spring break.  Nathan decided he doesn't want to go to the PNW with us
when we come out to see you this summer.  He's been cross-country on
Amtrak with me before, but he's at that age where the excitement of
another long train trip is trumped by having no TV or internet access
for 4 days at a time.  LOL.  It's fine with my sister and I; it will
be cheaper for us and free us up a bit also.  We already have our
train tickets, so she has to get his refunded.  I know I'm excited
about this trip.  

Hey Laureen, here's an interesting factoid.  A few months ago a
National report came out listing the top 50 worst places  in the
country for traffic congestion.  The Hampton Roads are of Virginia,
where I live, was #2 (lots of water with bottlenecks at tunnels and
bridges).   Guess which region had the #1 worst traffic jams? -- the
Pacific Northwest!  What's up with that???!
Laureen - 25 Apr 2006 23:34 GMT
;) Well now think about how cheap your trip would have been without
your sister. Ya coulda just stayed at my house and slept in my posh
newly decorated and painted spare room in a brand new double bed!

Seattle is the main place they are talking about in the PNW.  I5, the
520 bridge and 405 are just horrible. I don't make appointments early
in the morning or during rush hour. It is gridlock North and South
bound.  If the freeways are running at a fair clip, the road ragin',
speeders, honkers, finger flipping, impatient, psycho drivers are
abundant. I generally make my appointments for 11 to 12pm and at least
get to north Seattle, meet up with my Dad for a bit and get the Edmonds
ferry by 4pm. If your on the freeway before 9am and after 3pm you're
screwed most generally. I think your train gets off in Edmonds so
you'll take the Edmonds ferry over to this side. It's a piece of cake (
LC cheese cake I mean)  from there.

I hate the big city. You will definitely see a big difference once you
cross the bridge coming to the peninsula. We are a whole different
breed of people. It is a relaxed community. People need to get home
from work of course but the hubbub of trying to get no where fast is
gone.
Laureen

> |Ok. About your trip ...... Ummmmm in a little over 12 weeks when you
> |come to spend the week here with us we were going to take you into the
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> bridges).   Guess which region had the #1 worst traffic jams? -- the
> Pacific Northwest!  What's up with that???!
Marengo - 26 Apr 2006 06:47 GMT
|Seattle is the main place they are talking about in the PNW.  I5, the
|520 bridge and 405 are just horrible. I don't make appointments early
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|screwed most generally. I think your train gets off in Edmonds so
|you'll take the Edmonds ferry over to this side.

Actually, we get off the train in Seattle.  I have a rental car
reserved at Hertz at 1501 8th Avenue (downtown?); after we pick up the
car then we head for Port ANgeles from there.  If the train is on time
(or within 2 or three hours anyway) doesn't sound as if the traffic
will be at its worst, we're scheduled to get in to Seattle at 10 a.m.
When we leave there it's on a Saturday so that shouldn't be a problem.

Can't wait!
Laureen - 27 Apr 2006 00:00 GMT
Yep!
You'll be in downtown Seattle. Great thing is you are centrally located
to a freeway on ramp less than 5 minutes from the free way entrance so
you cant get lost. Jump on Olive Way near 8th and Pine and get on
Interstate 5 northbound and follow signs to Edmonds Ferry terminal.
We'll see in 2 hours from there :)
Your about 80 or so miles from my place but count in a 1/2 hour ferry
ride to extend your journey here.
I spent most of my childhood off and on in the Seattle area and Tacoma
because I got tossed around the family a bit as a kid when my parents
divorced. You could blindfold me and I could find my way home. As a kid
I always knew where I was going in Seattel my following the water. My
friends alway ask me to take them because Seattle is a HUGE
metropolitan place and one gets overwhelmed and swallowed up fast.

> |Seattle is the main place they are talking about in the PNW.  I5, the
> |520 bridge and 405 are just horrible. I don't make appointments early
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>
> Can't wait!
MaryL - 25 Apr 2006 13:12 GMT
> Ok. About your trip ...... Ummmmm in a little over 12 weeks when you
> come to spend the week here with us we were going to take you into the
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>
> Laureen

The injured hunter and his partner had been *chasing this bear* (stalking
it, with the intention of killing it), and the bear finally turned the
tables on him and attacked.  He survived because his partner killed the
bear.  However, this clearly was *not* an "unprovoked" attack by the bear.

MaryL
 
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