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Low carb AND low-calorie
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Marengo - 01 May 2006 05:01 GMT This is going o be a long post, I'll try to break the thoughts up into readable paragraphs. Some may want to skip it if you're not interested in the combination of low carb and low-calorie and its effects. It's strictly a "FWIW" post with very quantitative information on what I've been doing for the past couple of months and what the results have been. If this helps even one person who has been "stalled," frustrated or who has health related issues that can be encouraged by what I've done it will have been worth my taking the time out of my evening to write all this.
As a bit of a short background for those who don't know me, I had gained almost 100 pounds following a freak brain stem stroke in 1998 and being hospitalized for nearly four months -- followed by six months of inactivity. I started low carbing around 2001 so have been dipping it for about five years now and am very pleased with the results. Here's a link to my website (there's a link to progress pix there also).
http://members.cox.net/pmarengo/
For the past two-and-a-half years my low-carb eating has been for health reasons more than weight loss since I was diagnosed as T2 diabetic. I'm one of the lucky ones who was able to lower my HbA1c from 9.0 to 6.0 in three months, and keep it there or under with a low-carb diet alone. (It's in the low 5's now).
But I got lazy in the past year because of a job transfer; working 10 hour days with an hour commute each way to work. Although I never really left my low carb lifestyle I had fallen into the trap of eating fast/quick/prepared/frankenfoods albeit "low carb," -- and as a result I had barely been maintaining for the past year. I had actually gradually gained a few of pounds without ever really leaving the low-carb lifestyle, truth be told.
A doctor visit this Feburary was a wake up call when a routine physical showed cholesterol up, triglycerides skyrocketed and blood pressure higher than I wanted. (The good news was my HbA1c was still under control). I walked out of that results meeting with a brand new motivation and determination. The doc wanted to put me on statins, I flatly refused. We argued; he finally agreed to give me six weeks (not much time) to improve my numbers the way I said I could. I agreed to take a prescription strength niacin vitamin (Niaspan) in the meanwhile to help with the LDL and HDL.
I decided then and there that I was going to prove to that skeptical doctor that I can control my health destiny with diet and nutrition, rather than chemicals and drugs. I determined to go back to my basic low carb roots with a vengeance, this time watching calories as well. I had a point to prove.
Once in a while I've seen posts -- by newbies especially -- asking if it's possible to do low carb and low calorie at the same time; some old-timers who have never done it question it also. I can unequivocally and enthusiastically now say, "yes!" -- with the caveat that it has to be done right. It will require nutritional supplements (the same as with many LC diets actually) and as usual YMMV applies. Most of the foods that are both low calorie and low carb don't provide the right complete balance of vitamins and nutrients on a consistent basis, but that's easily rectified with daily supplements.
So I've been on low carb AND counting my calories since about February 28th. I've been keeping at or under 1500 calories daily, and it usually comes out to around 1200 per day. This is not extreme; I feel that it's reasonable for my activity level. On my ongoing weight loss plan, I've now found that I lose best at around 40 to 45 carb g/day. (I was sabotaging my own weight loss by trying to keep the carbs at 'induction' levels, which meant higher calories. Thanks to Roger Zoul for suggesting upping my carbs a bit, it's worked like magic).
I'm not advocating this for everyone; trust me, I know first hand that we all need to find what works best for us. But I've found my ideal balance and have lost 30 additional pounds since that doctor visit two months ago in February; 28 of those pounds have been lost since I started my current low carb/low cal WOE on February 28th - averaging slightly over 3 pounds per week. My biggest problem is that I'm not getting hungry at all anymore and have to remind myself to eat. I now find myself working through lunch and on the way home from work I'll realize that I haven't eaten anything. Ketosis keeps my brain and body fed on those days; believe me, I have plenty of reserves left to break down and burn for fuel; that's the great thing about low carb. And I make up for it at dinner with a big meal; I wonder sometimes if I've inadvertently crossed over into Eades territory. I've found an ideal ratio of fat/protein/carbs for myself, to me that has been the key feature in my continued weight loss and health maintenance.
If anyone questions whether it's healthy to eat low carb AND low calorie, I can't speak for you, just for myself. When I went to the Doctor again just 10 days ago for blood tests, the results were impressive. Cholesterol down to near normal, triglycerides absolutely plummeted, HbA1c normal and blood pressure perfectly normal. Kidney function was normal, and my heart sounded healthy. I have more energy than I've had in a long time, am sleeping well and feel great! Nothing unhealthy about that!
In order to do this,
(#1) I've had to force myself into preparing everything that I eat -- absolutely no frankenfoods! I MAKE the time even if I don't have it. There are days when I eat dinner at 9 p.m. If i work til 7 then drive the hour home, I still cook a meal. (Hannah Guren's Italian Sausage soup has become a staple for me; I can make a big batch on the weekends and eat it for dinner on a "lazy" night when I work late).
The only prepared food I allow myself at all are low-carb tortilla shells. I have the nutritional breakdown of those entered into Fitday and include the calorie/carb count in my daily totals. At lunchtime I eat salads from restaurants where I know I can get the nutritional counts; McDonald's Bacon Ranch is my favorite. The nutritional values are also in my FitDay custom food chart.
When I eat meals out on social occasions, I'm lucky that I live at the coast - there are always broiled fresh fish choices. Tilapia with steamed spinach and broccoli sprinkled with parmesan cheese is a perfect meal for me for instance. My new rule of thumb for eating out: I allow myself only salads, fish and vegetables, oil, butter and hard cheeses.
(2) I record everything that I eat. I track EVERYTHING in Fitday. I'm very visually motivated by nature, I know not everyone is like this. But when I see on a chart what I've ingested broken down into fat, protein,carbs and nutritional content on a daily basis, I know where I have to tweak the next day. For the same reason, I:
(3) Weigh myself every morning at the same time before eating or drinking anything. It's the only way to get a consistent weight reading. And I understand perfectly well that there are many who only weigh once a week, or once a month -- and that's great if that's what works for you, I have no argument with it. But again, I'm visually motivated. When I see that Fitday weight graph go down I know I'm on the right track; if it stays the same or goes up I examine what I've done so I can tweak my eating.
(4) Maybe most important of all to me is having snack foods on hand that keep me from going off plan if I should get bored <I don't get hungry>. My snow cone maker and Splenda-sweetened DaVinci and Torani syrups have been a lifesaver in this area. A snow cone or slushy is a tasty, frozen snack that feels like I'm really eating a treat, and has virtually zero calories and less than 1 carb. I have a dozen flavors on hand for variation. Other snacks I have are a few olives (at 10 calories/negligible carbs each), and splenda-sweetened baby sweet gherkins > <1 calorie and virtually no carbs each. Maybe 1 or 2g carbs for 10> Ocassionally I eat popcorn. Gasp! It's only moderate glycemic. My secret for working it into my plan is I have a microwave corn popper and buy the corn in a jar, not the microwave crap that's full of salt and transfats. I can control the portions by popping maybe one or two tablespoons at a time and drizzle with a tablespoon of butter. This yields four to eight cups. I do this when the carbs fit in with my daily totals; popcorn is a low calorie food for the quantity and not as bad as people think for carbs -- in moderation. 30 calories per cup and 3 net g carbs per cup. Not for Atkins induction. But it doesn't spike my blood sugar nor stall my weight loss when I eat reasonable, measured portions.
(5) I completely have stopped adding salt to any foods. This means no 'lite salt' either. I can look at my weight loss graph and see the weight spikes as well as blood pressure increases every time I add salt to food. Automatic water retention for me, has to do with heredity. I get more than enough sodium in the natural foods I eat. I've switched to buying fresh herbs and adding them to my foods. It's like quitting smoking or quitting drinking or caffeine. I don't miss salt any more, though it was tough at first.
(6) I maintain a new ratio of about 70% fat, 20 % protein and 10% carbs. I don't measure it any more, it just turns out this way from my food choices. If I eat too little fat I get hungry. If I lower the protein I'm afraid that my body will start eating muscle tissue eating relatively low-calorie. If I lower the carbs any more, it means raising fat and calories increase. I control the calories/carbs strategically with food combinations and portion control; I just know what ingredients I can eat and get creative.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Here's a typical day's food for me, this is what I ate today in fact. You'll see that I'm not starving by any means, in fact today I could hardly believe that what I was eating was "diet" food it was so tasty and filling! Nutritional counts are based on FitDay entries and aren't exact; they're rounded for each ingredient.
Breakfast: Two big mugs of very strong Luzianne decaf coffee with chicory (a Southern delight!), 4 tbs creamer, 2 packets of Sweet n Low. (I've never been a breakfast eater, I don't get hungry in the morning. The adage "Breakfast is the most important meal of the day" adage is meaningless on a ketogenic diet. YMMV)
6g carbs, 2g fat, 1g protein 44 calories
Lunch: Nice size salad with baby spinach, snow peas, green and sweet red pepper, onion slice, green olives, celery, cucumber slices, fresh mushrooms, radish slices, shredded colby cheese, blue cheese dressing sparingly
6 net g carbs, 10g fat, 4g protein 126 calories,
Dinner: Ok let me describe today's "creation." I sautéed green pepper and onion slices in butter on the Foreman grill then set it aside. Then I grilled two quarter-pound high fat hamburgers (I trick myself into fewer calories because some of the fat drains off on the Foreman grill!). I toasted two low carb tortilla shells in the toaster oven until warm but not crisp. WHile the burgers were cooking I chopped 1/4 cup baby spinach leaves. Cut 4 cherry tomatoes into quarters. Spread the grilled onions and peppers on the warm tortilla shells, then topped with the shredded spinach and chopped tomatoes. Added 1 tbs of Dukes Mayo (it has no sugar and comes in a squirt bottle now) to each. Sprinkled each with oregano and fresh ground black peppercorns. Just before the burgers were done I put a slice of deli provolone cheese on each to melt. Cut the burgers in half and arranged them on the tortillas, had two awesome, delicious, filling burger wraps! calories/carbs Tortilla shells, low carb 162/10 Onion, 2 slices 29/5 Peppers, green, 1/4 medium 15/2 Spinach, raw, .25 cup chopped 2/0 Cherry tomatoes (4) 6/1.5 Ground beef,high-fat .5 pound 626/0 Provolone cheese, 2 slices 299/2 Butter, 1 tbs 102/0 Mayonnaise, Dukes (no sugar), 1 tbs 99/0
20.5 net g carbs, 1340 calories (I'm too lazy to add up all the individual fat and protein counts for this meal, I'm going by FitDay for the day's totals)
For the day: 48g carbs minus 16 fiber = 32 net g carbohydrates (10%) 112 g fat (69%) 77g protein (21%)
Total Calories today: 1503
Calories burned today (per fitday) 2906
Today's Calorie deficit: 1403
This means I can expect that I lost another 1/2 pound today.
I really feel that I'm getting the best of both worlds with my plan. Low carb to control my diabetes and keep my metabolism healthy, proportionately high fat to keep me from getting hungry, enough protein to feed my heart and muscles, and yet low enough calories to steadily lose weight at about 1/2 pound per day. YMMV.
Hey, I have no life. This is fun for me! I just hope I don't get tired of tracking all this stuff soon! The good thing though, is that I don't HAVE to track it. I only did these calculations to post here. I know what I can and can't eat and enter it in fitday after the fact to motivate myself when I see the results.
Did I lose everybody yet? Put you to sleep?
I only hope that this diatribe actually is able to get someone thinking about what you can do for yourself, with a low carb program that's tweaked to fit your needs and lifestyle -- as I and so many others here are doing. <g>
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Marengo - 01 May 2006 05:04 GMT | I started low carbing around 2001 so have been dipping it for about five years now LMAO!
I guess Forté Agent's spell checker didn't like whatever I had put for "doing" and changed it to "dipping." What a hoot!
Joe - 01 May 2006 19:55 GMT thanks for sharing. After reading, im considering upping my carb level and counting calories. btw, your weight-loss pics dont seem to be viewable. I can see the other pics of your cross country trip etc,but not the weight loss ones.
Marengo - 02 May 2006 04:36 GMT |thanks for sharing. After reading, im considering upping my carb level |and counting calories. |btw, your weight-loss pics dont seem to be viewable. I can see the |other pics of your cross country trip etc,but not the weight loss |ones. Thanks for letting me know; I'll check my website when I get a chance this week.
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Jbuch - 01 May 2006 12:57 GMT Thanks,
I've saved and printed out your post. It might help me break through a long stall that coincided with winter and less outdoor exertion and exhilaration.
> This is going o be a long post, I'll try to break the thoughts up into > readable paragraphs. Some may want to skip it if you're not [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > be encouraged by what I've done it will have been worth my taking the > time out of my evening to write all this.
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Laureen - 01 May 2006 14:53 GMT Hi Peter, Thanks for the nice post!!!
I have had people frown at me when I told them I eat low carb, low fat, low cal. Generally low fat and low cal coincide will with each other.
I probably eat a few more carbs than you as I have incorperated some beans into my menu for protein low fat purposes.
I eat a lot of cottage cheese, mozzarella in moderation, lean unprocessed meats though I do imbibe on some canned chicken breast once in while. When cooking lean hamburger, I rinse it with hot water multiple times.
I live on romaine hearts, asparagus, a few cherry tomaotes, artichokes, and cabbage. I had a hard time finding salad dressing but Wish Bone puts out a few "Just 2 Good" low fat dressings thats are good, low fat, and fairly low carb.
I do eat a few crackers I love wasa and Miltons crackers.
I make lots of soup and they are chock full of veggies with a small amount of meat.
Salads are mostly greens with a few bites of meat in them.
Ones life is a bit limited but in my book its all good.
See ya soon to munch salad and seafood together Peter : )
Laureen
> This is going o be a long post, I'll try to break the thoughts up into > readable paragraphs. Some may want to skip it if you're not [quoted text clipped - 259 lines] > > Marengo - 02 May 2006 04:41 GMT |Hi Peter, Thanks for the nice post!!! | [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] | |Laureen Laureen, I have a question for you that I've wondered about. Is it going to be difficult for you to stop losing weight when you get too skinny? Seriously, I've wondered this about WLS. Forgive my ignorance (but it's very blissful).
Laureen - 02 May 2006 17:51 GMT Hi Peter, Incredibly enough ones body is suppose to start to plain off around the 18 month mark. I think the BMI has something to do with it. I noticed as I neared goal, my body lost slower and it became harder to lose. I now understand the the old addage " The bigger you are the harder you fall" The bigger I was the faster it came off. If it becomes a problem I can up my caloric intake. My surgeon said 800 cals a day to lose, 1000 to maintain and 1200 to gain. Some days I eat 1200 but then I exercise daily and it must balance me out. Some days I eat something that doesnt agree with me and have the back door trots and I lose 1 pound or two that day in waste. TMI sorry! It doesnt happen often but once in a while one of those Big Train blended Mochas mixed with non fat milk doesnt sit right and I PAY all day but the scale shows a loss the next day. I seem to have a very transient lactose intolerance but it doesnt alway kick in. I can eat cottage cheese fine one day and then eat a slice of cheese the next and WHOOPS!!! My body is somewhat unpredictable but I signed on for this and its all good either way.
I truly have learned to just roll with the good and bad. OMG! I cant imagine trying to not lose weight but I sorta am right now as my lower body lift will render 25 to 30 pounds of excess skin and water and I dont want to weigh less than 150 160 so I am right actually ok right now. Im told that one thing my surgeon will tell me is that I will lose even a bit more just from the stress on the body. I would have settled for 190 180 post op even so the rest is a true gift!!! I cant even begin to imagine going into the hospital not knowing what size pants I will be into post op. My sister in law lost 20 pounds in skin and went in at 192 pounds and size 12 some 14's pants. After the swelling went down she is a cool size 8 and even a few 6's and weighs in the lower 170's upper 160's!!!
There is a possiblity I can be a single digit size too!!!
I probably over answered your question huh? Sorry! Laureen
> |Hi Peter, Thanks for the nice post!!! > | [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > skinny? Seriously, I've wondered this about WLS. Forgive my > ignorance (but it's very blissful). Precious Baby - 01 May 2006 15:46 GMT THANKS SO MUCH FOR TAKEING THE TIME FOR POSTING THAT ---IT SURE SOUNDS AS IT WILL HELP ME--NEED TO LOSE A LOT OF WEIGHT--NOT TOO SURE OF HOW TO DO IT SAFELY--THANKS SO MUCH,MARY
Cubit - 01 May 2006 18:43 GMT OK, so the HTML blasting music was a pain, but I want to be able to send sounds on USENET. What software did you use to do it?
> THANKS SO MUCH FOR TAKEING THE TIME FOR POSTING THAT ---IT SURE SOUNDS > AS IT WILL HELP ME--NEED TO LOSE A LOT OF WEIGHT--NOT TOO SURE OF HOW TO > DO IT SAFELY--THANKS SO MUCH,MARY ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----
> ~~MARY~~ Roger Zoul - 01 May 2006 19:13 GMT :: OK, so the HTML blasting music was a pain, but I want to be able to :: send sounds on USENET. What software did you use to do it? On usenet? As in here? Please, no.
Jo Anne Slaven - 02 May 2006 02:00 GMT Peter, you mentioned that you eat a lot of Hannah Gruen's Italian Sausage soup.
I also fell in love with that soup, and I make it a couple times a month. You might be interested in the embellishments I have made to the recipe.
I believe in the original recipe, the only vegetables called for were onions, celery, peppers, and maybe cabbage. I will buy greens (Swiss chard, collards, or kale) when I'm making the soup, and use the whole bunch. I also add leftover lettuce, spinach, bok choi, and parsley if I have them. (I stuff so much green crap in my soup pot that I have to jam it down so I can get the lid on.) I've thought about using cilantro, but I hate the stuff, and I wouldn't want to ruin a batch of soup with it.
I have also found that instead of the tomato paste called for in the original recipe, a cup of two of V-8 goes wonderfully. In fact, you can "stretch" leftover soup nicely with a little V-8, and it doesn't taste watered down at all.
I can't think of enough nice things to say about this recipe, and I hope Hannah is reading this. :-)
Jo Anne
Marengo - 02 May 2006 04:53 GMT |Peter, you mentioned that you eat a lot of Hannah Gruen's Italian |Sausage soup. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] | |Jo Anne Yep! I use Hannah's basic recipe now to clean out the refrigerator! I never make it twice exactly the same way now.
My favorite variation is with shredded green and red cabbage as well as chopped green, red and yellow sweet peppers along with other ingredients. Very pretty!
Saffire - 02 May 2006 06:57 GMT > :: OK, so the HTML blasting music was a pain, but I want to be able to > :: send sounds on USENET. What software did you use to do it? > > On usenet? As in here? Please, no. You never know when something's going to blast you -- that's why I always keep the sound muted on my PCs unless I specifically want to hear something.
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Roger Zoul - 02 May 2006 13:23 GMT :: In article <125cjq62se7udb7@news.supernews.com>, Roger Zoul :: (rogerzoul2 @hotmail.com) says... [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] :: always keep the sound muted on my PCs unless I specifically want to :: hear something. Well, I don't wish to do that because the sound on my PC is something I find useful and need. Others simply should send sound files, especially to usenet (unless to a group that has that as part of its charter).
FOB - 01 May 2006 19:43 GMT That's a WEBTVer, doing it is built into their very limited options. If you want to send music in email, it's possible to do it with Outlook Express. There are also a few private servers that welcome HTML posting, you can also learn how to embed music there. Try some of the groups at Annexcafe. There are links that will take you there here: http://www.annexcafe.com/newsgroups/index.cfm
OK, so the HTML blasting music was a pain, but I want to be able to send sounds on USENET. What software did you use to do it?
> THANKS SO MUCH FOR TAKEING THE TIME FOR POSTING THAT ---IT SURE SOUNDS > AS IT WILL HELP ME--NEED TO LOSE A LOT OF WEIGHT--NOT TOO SURE OF HOW TO > DO IT SAFELY--THANKS SO MUCH,MARY ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----
> ~~MARY~~ Kit - 02 May 2006 01:12 GMT Clever..I really liked checking out your trip to the Keys..the beaches are beyond beautiful.. Bahia Honda...blue water...I'm outta here.. More importantly..popcorn..I love this stuff..but always ended up with too much and you can't save it.. Great idea to control the portion...I'm impressed and my pancreas thanks you...
>have a microwave corn popper >and buy the corn in a jar, not the microwave crap that's full of salt >and transfats. I can control the portions.. Popcorn and portion control..I'm in heaven
Marengo - 02 May 2006 05:05 GMT |Clever..I really liked checking out your trip to the Keys..the beaches |are beyond beautiful.. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] | |Popcorn and portion control..I'm in heaven I found my microwave popcorn popper in K-Mart FWIW, pretty cheap. It really was a blessing to be able to throw a couple of tablespoons of 'real' popcorn kernels in some real butter and pop them and get a portion that fits with my LC plan. Those bags of microwave frankenfood popcorn with the transfats and ten pounds of salt were always a surefire overnight weight gain for me. Plus you can't avoid eating the whole bag. But when I can pop four cups at a time easily at 120 calories and 12 net grams of carbs total, it's a whole different ball game.
Kit - 02 May 2006 14:21 GMT I really can cook, but ???
>found my microwave popcorn popper in K-Mart FWIW Do I have to use a special microwave popper? Can I just put it in a bowl, etc..
Marengo - 03 May 2006 04:39 GMT |I really can cook, but ??? | | >found my microwave popcorn popper in K-Mart FWIW | |Do I have to use a special microwave popper? Can I just put it in a |bowl, etc.. Probably not. The popper has special disposable pads that put in the bottom (they can be reused several times) that concentrate the heat. Microwave popcorn is sold in the bags because they contain a heat-concentrating material also., The unpopped corn has to get very hot quickly in order to all pop before the popped kernels start to burn.,
Kit - 03 May 2006 20:19 GMT >Probably not. The popper has special disposable pads that put in the >bottom (they can be reused several times) that concentrate the heat. Thank you..
As popcorn is my favorite and portion control is my problem..I better get the popper...Also,I'm passing this idea along to my sister who also has Type2 diabetes. When the doctor told her she had diabetes, FBG=128.. she didn't accept the diagnosis because she believe the old guideline of 140 was the correct cut off. So for 3+ years, she continue to eat healthy higher carbohydrates and gain weight. All diet attempts were unsuccessful. This she attributed to her own lack of will power in cutting down calories and occassional chocolate snacks..She also has post-polio,wears right leg brace,etc..and must carefully alternate rest and activity; otherwise, she is exhausted and bedridden for days.. During the last hurricane season, we stayed about a month with her and I did all the low carb cooking which is a relaxing and creative time for me. .She lost 6-8 lbs.. Also encouraged and took her to the doctors to obtain medication. Her husband is "macho" diabetic with a FBG=265 who doesn't believe in diets,medications, or exercise. The "I'm not afraid. We all have to die of something" type.. Most of the time during our visit, he would stop on the way home from work, pick up a Big Mac, fries and a bag of sugar free cookies..he would then process to eat all of his junk, at the dinner table. This lengthy and unrequested story comes to mind because he too likes popcorn and eats 1-2 bags everynight. And he then turns to me and says, "Hey popcorn is good for diabetes. Right, Kit?" He is a great mechanic and otherwise, is kind to his family..Just a lousy eater! So, not to give in just yet.. I will pass the portion control idea quietly along to my sister. I must sound like the diabetes police...I'm not..otherwise my brother-in-law would be locked in a bakery with anything to drink for life. and no tools...Bad Boys! Bad Boys! What You gonna do?
Marengo - 03 May 2006 23:13 GMT | Her |husband |is "macho" diabetic with a FBG=265 who doesn't believe in |diets,medications, or |exercise. The "I'm not afraid. We all have to die of something" type..
|Most of the |time during our visit, he would stop on the way home from work, pick up [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] |locked in a bakery with anything to drink for life. and no tools...Bad |Boys! Bad Boys! What You gonna do? It's not the dying part that I'm afraid of as a T2. It's the thought of losing toes one at a time, then a foot, then going blind , then the possibility of facing a slow painful death from kidney failure. I truly hope that your or someone can get through to him; he's heading down a rough path.
sprudil - 10 May 2006 18:41 GMT >I really can cook, but ??? > > >found my microwave popcorn popper in K-Mart FWIW > > Do I have to use a special microwave popper? Can I just put it in a > bowl, etc.. Yes you can put it in a microwave safe bowl (without the butter- melt it seperately) and cover it with a plate.
Or better yet do what I do which is microwave the popcorn in a plain paper bag with the ends stapled. Learned this trick from Alton Brown.
Sid...
Marengo - 02 May 2006 04:58 GMT |OK, so the HTML blasting music was a pain, but I want to be able to send |sounds on USENET. What software did you use to do it? | |> THANKS SO MUCH FOR TAKEING THE TIME FOR POSTING THAT ---IT SURE SOUNDS |> AS IT WILL HELP ME--NEED TO LOSE A LOT OF WEIGHT--NOT TOO SURE OF HOW TO |> DO IT SAFELY--THANKS SO MUCH,MARY If you want to insert music and sound files as background into your e-mails, you may want to look into Incredimail. I've been using it as my primary mail client now for three or four years and I love it. It's e-mail on steroids. You can download and use an infinite number of letter backgrounds, create your own, insert all kinds of fun animations as well as the .wav and .midi files.
www.incredimail.com
I sound like I'm pimping Incredimail, lol! But I have no vested interest in it other than the fact that I love it every bit as much as when I started using it.
Marengo - 02 May 2006 04:50 GMT |THANKS SO MUCH FOR TAKEING THE TIME FOR POSTING THAT ---IT SURE SOUNDS |AS IT WILL HELP ME--NEED TO LOSE A LOT OF WEIGHT--NOT TOO SURE OF HOW TO |DO IT SAFELY--THANKS SO MUCH,MARY Hi Mary,
Just please remember that I've been low carbing for quite a while and I've learned from a few years of experience now how my body reacts to what I eat relative to my health. What I described is what works for ME, but we're all different. You'll frequently see the acronym 'YMMV' here: Your Mileage May Vary, meaning that we each have to tweak and find what works best for each us as individuals.
I believe with all my heart that my WOE is healthy for me, but I've been doing it with regular doctor visits and checkups. I would never want to suggest anything that might be construed by someone as medical advice, nor anything that could affect their health without urging them to see a doctor regularly as I do and let him know what you're doing. My results are based strictly my own personal anecdotal experience.
Having said that, I wish you all the best in your low-carb weight loss program.
Saffire - 02 May 2006 07:08 GMT > THANKS SO MUCH FOR TAKEING THE TIME FOR POSTING THAT ---IT SURE SOUNDS > AS IT WILL HELP ME--NEED TO LOSE A LOT OF WEIGHT--NOT TOO SURE OF HOW TO > DO IT SAFELY--THANKS SO MUCH,MARY Hi Precious Baby, welcome to the group!
Please remember to turn off HTML when posting to USENET (I'm pretty sure it can be done with WebTV, but don't know the specifics). Most people use newsreaders on PCs to read USENET, not web browsers, so we sometimes see a lot of programming language surrounding and sometimes interspersed with the gist of the post among it. If it seems like too much work to decipher the actual message, people will sometimes just skip over it instead. Also, posting in caps is for emphasis, so if you post EVERYTHING in all caps, then it looks like you're shouting everything you say for no apparent reason and, thus, makes it harder to read. I'm not saying any of this to be mean, just to gently guide you into the proper etiquette to make things easier for all concerned :-)
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Peter - 03 May 2006 00:37 GMT > I only hope that this diatribe actually is able to get someone > thinking about what you can do for yourself, with a low carb program > that's tweaked to fit your needs and lifestyle -- as I and so many > others here are doing. > <g> Thanx for the post Peter. I was wondering if you could post the sausage soup recipe ...I know Google is your friend but it just led to a bunch of commercial Spam sights ... Also is your fitday public ? could you post a link to it if it is .
Thanx in advance ..Peter . A.K.A. Warp100 .. 300/240/240. in 2004...quit smoking (that was frikin hard ) back to 290 ...back on the horse again .. 300/285/240 Jan 1 2006
Marengo - 03 May 2006 04:52 GMT |> I only hope that this diatribe actually is able to get someone |> thinking about what you can do for yourself, with a low carb program [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] |> |> Peter
|Thanx for the post Peter. I was wondering if you could post the sausage soup |recipe ...I know Google is your friend but it just led to a bunch of [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] |...back on the horse again .. |300/285/240 Jan 1 2006 Hi Peter,
Hey! Pete and Re-Pete!
Here's Hannah Gruen's Italian Sausage soup recipe that everybody raves about. I apologize to her that this includes a couple of minor tweaks that I made myself including the addition of cabbage, and using red, yellow and green peppers instead of just the latter, I don't still have the original. But I've done the carb/fat/protein and calorie breakdown also for this version:
Oh, and by the way, I use the downloaded version of Fitday so it's not online, sorry. I wish I could share it.
RECIPE: Hannah's Italian Sausage Soup: Values listed are (fat, protein, carbs) in grams; carbs are net after subtracting fiber 1 lb. Italian sausage (mild or spicy, depending on taste), thinly sliced (70,54,4) 1/4 onion, chopped (0,0,3) Scallions, chopped, ¼ cup (0,0,1) 2 Tbsp. olive oil (27,0,0) 1 Green bell peppers, coarsely chopped (0,1,7) ½ Yellow bell pepper, chopped (0,1,5) ½ red bell pepper, chopped (0,1,4) Celery, 4 stalks, minced (0,1,3) ½ medium size cabbage, chopped (1,7,14) Canned chicken broth, 2 quarts <64 oz> (0,18,2) Canned beef broth, low sodium, 28 oz (5,16,2) Zucchini, 2 med, cubed (0,2,4) 2 Tbsp. tomato paste (0,2,5) Serve hot with a sprinkling of fresh grated parmesan cheese. Seasonings to taste (depends on sausage seasoning) <I used fresh ground peppercorns, oregano, sage>
"Sauté onion and sliced Italian sausage in olive oil in soup kettle. Add garlic, celery, peppers and cabbage when sausage and onion start to brown, continue cooking over medium heat till the onion is partially caramelized on the bottom of the pan and vegetables are partially cooked. (Carmelizing the onion really adds to the flavor, so let it slowly reach a nice brown).
Add broth, zucchini, tomato paste, and seasonings to taste. I usually use spicy (hot) sausage and add a bit of oregano and basil, plus enough salt and crushed red pepper to suit. Bring to a boil, turn down, cover and simmer all day. Trust me, the longer this cooks the better. The sausage almost melts in your mouth and the flavors are well blended with long, slow cooking.
This is great on a cold, winter day served in a big heavy earthenware bowl, sprinkled with a big handful of grated parmesan cheese (NO, not the stuff in the cylindrical box, the stuff you get in the dairy case and grated finely by hand - much better)." ------------------------------------------------ Makes 15 cups --- All values are rounded to the nearest .5g:
For the whole recipe: Fat: 103g Protein: 103g Carbs: 54g
Per cup serving, rounded to nearest .5g Fat: 7g Protein: 7g Carbs: 3.5 Calories: 105 Add 1g of each for a sprinkling of fresh grated parmesan cheese on the hot soup!
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Peter
jackiepatti@gmail.com - 03 May 2006 10:58 GMT My version of Hannah's soup (I make *big* batches!)
ITALIAN SAUSAGE SOUP
3 lb sweet Italian sausage, sliced 1 onion, chopped 2 TB olive oil 2 red bell peppers, coarsely chopped 1 orange bell peppers, coarsely chopped 1 yellow bell peppers, coarsely chopped 4 cloves garlic, minced 6 cans beef broth 1 small can V-8 juice 1 large package frozen summer squash & zucchini 1 large package frozen cauliflower 1 cup dried swiss chard (or 1 cup fresh greens - chard, kale, spinach, whatever) 1/2 cup dried tomatoes 1 tsp oregano 1 tsp basil
Saute the sausage and onions in oil in a stockpot until sausage is browned. Add peppers and garlic, cook until onions are carmelized.
Add everything else bring to a boil, reduce heat and simmer for 4 hours or more so flavors fully meld.
Serve with grated parmesan cheese.
Hannah Gruen - 04 May 2006 11:42 GMT >This is going o be a long post, That was a great post, Peter. I've saved it, and I don't save many.
I'm *really* glad you guys are all enjoying the Italian Sausage Soup. I like the tweaks everyone has mentioned - many are ones I do myself. I've gotten more and more where I automatically add a lot of greens to this or just about any soup. I am preferring collards and kale these days, because they seem to hold up better when reheated.
Another tip I read somewhere is to put a big handful of trimmed spinach leaves or other fragile green in your soup bowl and microwave for a minute, then add the hot soup. With baby spinach, I don't always even microwave it first. Keeps the greens really fresh.
HG
Marengo - 04 May 2006 15:58 GMT |Another tip I read somewhere is to put a big handful of trimmed |spinach leaves or other fragile green in your soup bowl and microwave |for a minute, then add the hot soup. With baby spinach, I don't always |even microwave it first. Keeps the greens really fresh. | |HG That sounds good too Hannah; I'll try that next time. I love baby spinach, it's a staple in my salads. I bet it's great when fresh in the soup!
Hannah Gruen - 04 May 2006 22:50 GMT >|Another tip I read somewhere is to put a big handful of trimmed >|spinach leaves or other fragile green in your soup bowl and microwave [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >spinach, it's a staple in my salads. I bet it's great when fresh in >the soup! Yes, it is. Too much cooking and leaf spinach gets a bit slimy. This way it doesn't.
HG
Lee Rodgers - 05 May 2006 08:18 GMT >>|Another tip I read somewhere is to put a big handful of trimmed >>|spinach leaves or other fragile green in your soup bowl and microwave [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >HG I prefer my spinach overcooked and slimy. Ditto my asparagus and all vegetables. My ribsteaks though, I heat up in the skillet and devour before they can moo and scamper off the plate. :) Go figure. A YMMV thing I reckon. Lee Rodgers CHATROOM http://www.lowcarb.org/parachat.html Low-Carb Connoisseur puts the dash into low-carb http://www.low-carb.com
Marengo - 06 May 2006 03:27 GMT |>>|Another tip I read somewhere is to put a big handful of trimmed |>>|spinach leaves or other fragile green in your soup bowl and microwave [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] |Low-Carb Connoisseur puts the dash into low-carb |http://www.low-carb.com I'm with you, Lee. Rare meet. Well-done vegetables.
Marengo - 06 May 2006 18:12 GMT |I'm with you, Lee. Rare meet. Well-done vegetables. Oops type. "meat" of course
Hannah Gruen - 06 May 2006 12:34 GMT >I prefer my spinach overcooked and slimy. Ditto my asparagus and all >vegetables. My ribsteaks though, I heat up in the skillet and devour >before they can moo and scamper off the plate. :) Go figure. A YMMV >thing I reckon. Definitely. And I prefer most vegetables crisp-tender, but my meat mostly med. to well done. To each his/her own.
It's been nice to see you posting here, Lee, BTW.
HG
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