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nanner - 09 May 2006 03:18 GMT
I am making chocolate lolipop party favors for my son's bday and I keep
almost licking my fingers, LOL. The smell is tempting me. I ate some cheese
and I am fine - it's just funny to be covered in gooey sugar (well, sort of)
I also have to bake nearly 60 cupcakes this week for his bday party and
in-class party.  zoinks.
DB - 09 May 2006 06:01 GMT
"nanner" <nospam@nospam.nospam> wrote in

>I am making chocolate lolipop party favors for my son's bday and I keep
>almost licking my fingers, LOL. The smell is tempting me. I ate some cheese
>and I am fine - it's just funny to be covered in gooey sugar (well, sort
>of) I also have to bake nearly 60 cupcakes this week for his bday party and
>in-class party.  zoinks.

It's true what they say, we are killing our kids from an early age!
nanner - 09 May 2006 12:24 GMT
> "nanner" <nospam@nospam.nospam> wrote in
>
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>
> It's true what they say, we are killing our kids from an early age!

oh please. homemade cupcakes and chocolate pops at a birthday party is alot
different than a steady diet of McNuggets, cheese doodles and coca-cola.
That's what is "killing our kids" My kids eat a healthy diet. You don't want
the Reverend Jim affect by holding off on all sweets and treats.
Roger Zoul - 10 May 2006 12:45 GMT
::: "nanner" <nospam@nospam.nospam> wrote in
:::
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:: healthy diet. You don't want the Reverend Jim affect by holding off
:: on all sweets and treats.

The thing is, nanner, the junk habit starts somewhere.  Frankly, I think it
starts nowadays at a very, very young age....ie, juice in bottles....
Laureen - 10 May 2006 02:36 GMT
I guess I have a strange kid or have damaged her somehow. She has
already requested cheese cake for her birthday. Yes! Myras cheesecake.
She was also one of 100 children invited to breakfast with the Easter
Bunny. He came by the table with a basket of Easter chocolates and in
the basket was a bunch of carrots with the greens still attached and
she opted for the carrots over the candy and the lady denied her and
told her the carrots were the Easter bunny's and encouraged her to take
the chocolate. She is far more turned on with fried sausage and cabbage
or smoked sausage with scrambled eggs mixed in it and cheese melted on
top.  While she gets to trick or treat she could easily have buckets of
candy from the last 5 years if I dont filter through it and toss it.
She does like bagels and cream cheese though and she is a kid so I
allow her bagels. She has a real hankering for Cheetos and she now eats
the baked Cheetos on occassion. She eats sugar free fat free ice cream,
butter substitute, and diet dressing and doesnt know the difference.
She has lost 7 pounds since Larry had his WLS too.
Laureen

> I am making chocolate lolipop party favors for my son's bday and I keep
> almost licking my fingers, LOL. The smell is tempting me. I ate some cheese
> and I am fine - it's just funny to be covered in gooey sugar (well, sort of)
> I also have to bake nearly 60 cupcakes this week for his bday party and
> in-class party.  zoinks.
nanner - 10 May 2006 03:17 GMT
>I guess I have a strange kid or have damaged her somehow. She has
> already requested cheese cake for her birthday. Yes! Myras cheesecake.
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> She has lost 7 pounds since Larry had his WLS too.
> Laureen

is she fat? how old is she? I can't imagine a 5 year old losing 7 lbs!!
Glad she's losing weight if she needs to but I imagine she didn't gain it
from all those carrots

My son is known as The Broccoli Kid. You just need to create a balance I
guess.  I don't approve of giving kids artificial sweeteners at all. What IS
butter substitute? I think it's probably more harmful to eat fake butter,
SF-FF ice cream (etc) instead of the real stuff in moderation.

I also don't know exactly what your post has to do with mine, where you
making a commentary on my serving cupcakes and chocolate pops at a birthday
party?

>> I am making chocolate lolipop party favors for my son's bday and I keep
>> almost licking my fingers, LOL. The smell is tempting me. I ate some
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>> I also have to bake nearly 60 cupcakes this week for his bday party and
>> in-class party.  zoinks.
Marengo - 10 May 2006 04:49 GMT
|>I guess I have a strange kid or have damaged her somehow. She has
|> already requested cheese cake for her birthday. Yes! Myras cheesecake.
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|> She has lost 7 pounds since Larry had his WLS too.
|> Laureen

|is she fat? how old is she? I can't imagine a 5 year old losing 7 lbs!!
|Glad she's losing weight if she needs to but I imagine she didn't gain it
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|making a commentary on my serving cupcakes and chocolate pops at a birthday
|party?

Wow, I think you read things into Laureen's post that weren't there.  

You said that you were baking all kinds of sweets for your son's
birthday; Laureen simply commented that her daughter prefers low-carb
cheesecake to sweets.  She said nothing negative or derogatory about
you or your baking that I can see.   I'm not sure why you took
offense.  

Laureens's daughter isn't five years old; she said that she's been
trick or treating for five years.  

Maybe time to invest in a pair of reading glasses?      ;-)
nanner - 10 May 2006 05:06 GMT
> |>I guess I have a strange kid or have damaged her somehow. She has
> |> already requested cheese cake for her birthday. Yes! Myras cheesecake.
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> birthday; Laureen simply commented that her daughter prefers low-carb
> cheesecake to sweets.

Low-carb cheesecake is "sweets" it's just replacing real sugar with
artificial sweetener.

>She said nothing negative or derogatory about
> you or your baking that I can see.   I'm not sure why you took
> offense.

I didn't take offense but I didn't see the point. If her daughter isn't in
the same age range I don't see the reason to compare. The other response to
the post was a rude comment and this seemed like Laureen taking an
opportunity to say "Look how much better my kid eats than yours"

> Laureens's daughter isn't five years old; she said that she's been
> trick or treating for five years.

my 5 year old has been trick or treating for 5 years too, just for the fun
of it. How am I supposed to know the age of her kids? SHe didn't post it in
this thread and I haven't been around in a while

> Maybe time to invest in a pair of reading glasses?      ;-)

:oP~~~~~~~ I am actually in a cranky, cranky mood today and should probably
just stay away from usenet till the mood passes LOL
Roger Zoul - 10 May 2006 12:57 GMT
:: I didn't take offense but I didn't see the point. If her daughter
:: isn't in the same age range I don't see the reason to compare. The
:: other response to the post was a rude comment and this seemed like
:: Laureen taking an opportunity to say "Look how much better my kid
:: eats than yours"

I can see how it could come across that way.....

Frankly, I wish I had not developed such a strong sweet tooth as such a
young age.  The entire course of my life would have been different.

I don't have kids...but I can see how really difficult it has to be for
parents to keep their kids from becoming addicted to sweets at a very young
age.  A while back there was a thread in here where folks claimed that
liking sweets is actually programmed into our brains...probably so...if its
sweet, you'll want to eat...survival instinct that might be important for
kids.  Of course, that probably gets all fouled up with kids get things like
juice at a young age...then they don't want to eat other naturally sweet
things so much -- such a peas, carrots, onions, etc, that are found in
veggies etc. They prefer the "intense" or "hard" sweet to the "not intense"
or "soft" sweets.
nanner - 10 May 2006 13:24 GMT
> :: I didn't take offense but I didn't see the point. If her daughter
> :: isn't in the same age range I don't see the reason to compare. The
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> are found in veggies etc. They prefer the "intense" or "hard" sweet to the
> "not intense" or "soft" sweets.

i was addicted to sugary caffienated sodas froma young age and that was the
biggest problem. We don't have soda in the house now except seltzer
sometimes. DS has had the chance to taste that and doesn't like it LOL The
junkfood problem didn't really start until after i quit smoking and quit
caffiene. I ate junk and fastfood in moderation growing up but after
quitting smoking/caffiene it was like something went haywire in my system.
Anway - i agree there is a huge prob with "juice in bottles" etc. My son
always prefered water and we had a firend with same age child. She would put
a splash of juice in the bottle of water!! I thought this would give the
child an unnatural desire for sweets etc and the mom told me "Well, what kid
wants to drin k plain water." This same mom had her daughter on a diet by
age 2, goin gto "nutritionist:" and she would track the child's intake
(which she had full control of) she was feeding the kid stuff like cheese
doodles - egads.

anyway - rambling. I just think cupcakes on the birthday is fine if that's
not everyday fare. We went to my in-laws and i brought a bag of baby carrots
to be an alternative to the chips & dip  - my kids (and DH) ate the whole
pound of carrots LOL
Roger Zoul - 10 May 2006 14:18 GMT
::: nanner wrote:
:::
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:: of baby carrots to be an alternative to the chips & dip  - my kids
:: (and DH) ate the whole pound of carrots LOL

:)  Raw carrots are quite tasty, BTW.  I could easily do that though I hate
them cooked.

I think in a world without "juice in bottles" and other concentrated
everyday sweet items, an occasional sweet treat isn't so bad....I think the
problem starts when it becomes an everyday common sort of thing with many
regular sources of sweet.
Laureen - 10 May 2006 15:21 GMT
> I think in a world without "juice in bottles" and other concentrated
> everyday sweet items, an occasional sweet treat isn't so bad....I think the
> problem starts when it becomes an everyday common sort of thing with many
> regular sources of sweet.

Speaking of juice. My daughter never had it as a kid. Formula and
water. She gave up her own bottle at exactly one year. Her doctor told
me juice was just candy for babies. She still isnt a juice baby. We
drink fat free milk and  and ice water.
nanner - 10 May 2006 18:13 GMT
>> I think in a world without "juice in bottles" and other concentrated
>> everyday sweet items, an occasional sweet treat isn't so bad....I think
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> me juice was just candy for babies. She still isnt a juice baby. We
> drink fat free milk and  and ice water.

my kids were breastfed
jackiepatti@gmail.com - 11 May 2006 15:31 GMT
> I think in a world without "juice in bottles" and other concentrated
> everyday sweet items, an occasional sweet treat isn't so bad....I think the
> problem starts when it becomes an everyday common sort of thing with many
> regular sources of sweet.

I dunno.  I've never had a sweet tooth much.  At my absolute worst, I
ate maybe one chocolate bar a year.  Never was strongly tempted by that
stuff.

My mom was strict about sugar.  Our Easter baskets were mostly toys,
not candy.
She threw out most of the Halloween candy.  She didn't buy cakes or
cookies or candy, but fruit and yogurt and such for snacks.  Other kids
got Twinkies in their lunch, I got carrot sticks.  Our regular drinks
were milk, water and juice - though not so much on the juice.  A big
deal was if we got a good report card every nine weeks, we could go to
Friendly's and get an ice cream.

I never developed a sweet tooth at all.  But not developing a sweet
tooth didn't help me a bit.

We were Italian and ate piles of pasta regualrly.  Also, lots of bread.
Because I never ate much sugar as a kid or as an adult, I figure the
diabetes developed largely from an overly  starch-heavy diet.  My mom
was very strict about sugar, but no one had ever explained to her that
starch was the same damned thing.  And I had an inborn tendency to
diabetes also, my dad was diabetic - so a starch-heavy diet meant I was
gonna develop diabetes too.  Genetics makes a big difference.

My husband grew up in a bakery.  His mom built a business out of
decorating cakes.  There were leftover cakes in his house pretty much
constantly.  He just grew up with all this sugar as a regular thing.
No one could bribe him to get good grades with sugar cause it was a
constant part of his diet!

He eats a lot better than he used to, what with my vegetable-pushing
influence in his life, but most of his life has been fileld with crap
food.  And he's never been more than a few pounds overweight.  And
after 4 decades of a high-sugar diet, the guy's bg stays rock-solid
even after knocking off a big bunch of sugar.  He just doesn't have the
genetics to have the problems I do.

My daughter wasn't raised as strictly as I was.  I figured my mom made
sugar seem a bit too forbidden, and therefore we were a tad too anxious
to eat cookies at a friend's house.  But I *do* believe in real foods,
so that's primarily what was provided.  First time she ever tasted
white sugar was her first birthday cake.  But she'd been drinking apple
juice for months and eating stewed fruits I ran through the food
processor, so she was kinda used to sugar.  And even the pure white
stuff wasn't verbotten or anything, just very occasional.

She went through a period for about 2 months when she was 3 or 4 where
the *only* thing she ate for a couple months was milk and cheese.  I
figured on not making a big fight over it and she'd get over it.  A bit
over a decade later, she was vegan!  Heh.

I find it kinda kewl to go grocery shopping with her now that she's on
her own.  She buys bags of baby carrots, mangoes, bags of frozen
vegetables, lots of canned veggies too, chicken and turkey based cold
cuts, cheese, milk and she insists on whole grain breads even when
crappy stuff is on sale.  She buys some junk too, just that... a young
kid on her own doing her own shopping who *could* buy any kind of crap
she wanted, and she buys almost all real food with no prompting.
Aaron Baugher - 11 May 2006 19:24 GMT
> I think in a world without "juice in bottles" and other concentrated
> everyday sweet items, an occasional sweet treat isn't so bad....I
> think the problem starts when it becomes an everyday common sort of
> thing with many regular sources of sweet.

Yeah, there's a big difference between the icing on graham crackers
that we used to have for an after-school snack, and a kid nowadays
drinking soda all day.  Some of our food wasn't healthy, but it's
gotten exponentially worse.  I didn't develop any of the health
problems that go along with a high-carb diet until after several years
of punishing my body with a constant diet of pizza, chips, and
Mountain Dew.

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Luna - 12 May 2006 00:16 GMT
> > I think in a world without "juice in bottles" and other concentrated
> > everyday sweet items, an occasional sweet treat isn't so bad....I
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> of punishing my body with a constant diet of pizza, chips, and
> Mountain Dew.

I've heard of people developing allergies after being exposed to an
overdose of a substance.  I read this thing in the paper just today
about how some kinds of henna tattoos use a high concentration of the
same chemical found in hair dye, to make them darker, but that in some
cases this can make people allergic to hair dye for the rest of their
lives.  Also, there is a link between being allergic to something and
being addicted to it.  I've often thought that perhaps
carbohydrates/sugar can work the same way.  That some people's bodies
aren't capable of correctly handling high doses of carbohydrates for an
extended period, and then they develop an addictive/allergic response.
Roger Zoul - 12 May 2006 00:45 GMT
:: In article <86u07wpghj.fsf@cail.baugher.pike.il.us>,
:: Aaron Baugher <aaron_baugher@yahoo.com> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
:: an extended period, and then they develop an addictive/allergic
:: response.

I seem to remember Dr. Bernstein made a comment on a recent Charlie Rose
show about this very thing - allergic response to carbs.
Luna - 12 May 2006 14:47 GMT
> :: In article <86u07wpghj.fsf@cail.baugher.pike.il.us>,
> :: Aaron Baugher <aaron_baugher@yahoo.com> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
> I seem to remember Dr. Bernstein made a comment on a recent Charlie Rose
> show about this very thing - allergic response to carbs.

The most interesting ramification for me about this hypothesis is that
it could explain why people in France, eating all that bread, and people
in China, eating so much rice, or Italians with the pasta, don't seem to
have the same carbohydrate problems that people in America do.  Since
their portions are smaller and their food isn't made with unnaturally
highly concentrated sugars such as high fructose corn syrup, they don't
overdose even if they have a high percentage of carbs in their diets.
Leigh Melton - 10 May 2006 18:59 GMT
>i was addicted to sugary caffienated sodas froma young age and that was the
>biggest problem.

My mother used to put Coca Cola in my baby bottle.  Matter of fact, my
dad once told me my first word was "coke".  I mentioned this to a
friend of mine some years ago and she gasped and made a remark about
how awful.  I didn't understand at the time, not having kids or
knowing much about them, and thought it was just a funny anecdote.

Being diabetic has given me a different perspective on that little
story.  ;)

Leigh

--
Consequences, shmonsequences, as long as I'm rich.  - D. Duck
Laureen - 10 May 2006 15:15 GMT
Since you started posting again, your posts are quite whinny like how
you almost can't stand not licking your fingers etc when your in the
chocolate. You posted it thus leaving yourself open to others comments.
I did notice also when I replied to your hotdog eating I was kind of
joking with you but you took a serious defensive mode in your reply.
You need to relax a bit and  realize if you post you get replies. You
dont always hear what you want to hear.
Laureen

> > |>I guess I have a strange kid or have damaged her somehow. She has
> > |> already requested cheese cake for her birthday. Yes! Myras cheesecake.
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> :oP~~~~~~~ I am actually in a cranky, cranky mood today and should probably
> just stay away from usenet till the mood passes LOL
Laureen - 10 May 2006 15:18 GMT
My reply was because it made me think of my daughter at Easter chosing
the carrot rather than the chocolate. It is odd for a kid to do it but
since we were low carbers before WLS and still do it, it made me
realize she obviously has had something rub off and wonder was it good
or bad Thats all. WOw!!!! You really feel picked on dontcha? Relax K?
No one out to get ya!

She was 91 pounds in Dec. Larry did pureed, I ate little. She ate with
me. I stopped the carby school snacks and lunches they serve. She takes
her own lunch. We watch her bread and sugar and voila 7 pounds is gone
in 5 months.
> >I guess I have a strange kid or have damaged her somehow. She has
> > already requested cheese cake for her birthday. Yes! Myras cheesecake.
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> >> I also have to bake nearly 60 cupcakes this week for his bday party and
> >> in-class party.  zoinks.
doodah - 11 May 2006 15:17 GMT
> My reply was because it made me think of my daughter at Easter chosing
> the carrot rather than the chocolate. It is odd for a kid to do it but
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> her own lunch. We watch her bread and sugar and voila 7 pounds is gone
> in 5 months.

Maybe you should take the little chunk to get her guts cut out too.
Laureen - 11 May 2006 22:06 GMT
Are you JC's identical twin? You're vile.

> > My reply was because it made me think of my daughter at Easter chosing
> > the carrot rather than the chocolate. It is odd for a kid to do it but
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>
> Maybe you should take the little chunk to get her guts cut out too.
Marengo - 12 May 2006 02:36 GMT
|Are you JC's identical twin? You're vile.

Um, I think the word "a.shole" is more fitting than "vile."

|> > My reply was because it made me think of my daughter at Easter chosing
|> > the carrot rather than the chocolate. It is odd for a kid to do it but
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|>
|> Maybe you should take the little chunk to get her guts cut out too.
JC Der Koenig - 12 May 2006 03:21 GMT
>> My reply was because it made me think of my daughter at Easter chosing
>> the carrot rather than the chocolate. It is odd for a kid to do it but
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Maybe you should take the little chunk to get her guts cut out too.

You have to admit that's just funny.
Aramanth Dawe - 10 May 2006 05:24 GMT
Hey, Laureen, I must have weird kids too!  They dislike sweets, would
much prefer to have broccoli or carrots to chocolate.  In fact, when
the kids did their annual Easter Egg Hunt this year, my older girl
'sold' her chocolate haul to her dad since she would far rather have
the money to buy books with than chocolate!

We were invited to spend an evening with friends the other day.  My 11
year old ate as much roast beef as the adults, but declined home-made
apple pie and ice cream because she was full of the main meal.  I have
no problem with her eating this way at all, as she is fit and healthy,
at a good weight for her height (80th percentile for weight-for-age,
90th percentile for height) and is very active.

Aramanth
Laureen - 10 May 2006 15:24 GMT
For Easter she got a medium see thur plastic egg with pencils, race
car, old maid card game, one bunny Pez, necklaces, bracelet, a set of
jacks, a super ball, and some cheap plastic Easter themed toys. I hid
smaller eggs outside with pennies in them and one had a 5 dollar bill.
That was Easter for her and she was excited!!!

> Hey, Laureen, I must have weird kids too!  They dislike sweets, would
> much prefer to have broccoli or carrots to chocolate.  In fact, when
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>
> Aramanth
Chiaowl - 16 May 2006 14:20 GMT
> Hey, Laureen, I must have weird kids too!  They dislike sweets, would
> much prefer to have broccoli or carrots to chocolate.  In fact, when
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>
> Aramanth

My daughter (15 in a few days, tall and thin), from the time she was old
enough to eat, would ask for second helpings of vegetables instead of
dessert.  Her favorite breakfast was beans.or peas and carrots.  It wasn't
until she was in school, and the room mothers MADE her taste chocolate and
eat cookies and cupcakes at the holiday parties, that she started developing
a sweet tooth.  She still doesn't really eat sweets too much though, but
she's definitely a pasta/bread/rice lover.  Since I don't buy carby foods,
she eats them at her dad's or buys them for herself.
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