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Leigh Melton - 09 May 2006 06:01 GMT
I saw a reference to diluting heavy cream with water to approximate
milk.  I'd like to try that and see if I can make a low-carb carbonara
sauce.  Any tips on how much water to mix with the cream?

I ordered some of Dana Carpender's books today, I'm really looking
forward to them.  I'd like to be able to make dishes that both Joe
(non-diabetic or even LC) and I can eat together.  Less work for me,
as he is impossible in the kitchen, plus I know sometimes he feels
guilty about eating things that I can no longer have.  

Leigh

--
Consequences, shmonsequences, as long as I'm rich.  - D. Duck
Leigh Melton - 09 May 2006 06:39 GMT
Sorry to follow-up to my own post, but with a different Google search
I found a post from 2001 by Nicole K which reads:

> Try diluting heavy cream with water - 2 or 3 parts water to 1 part cream,
> and adding a drop or two of liquid sweetener for a decent milk substitute.

Nicole K, if you're still reading, thanks!

Leigh

--
Consequences, shmonsequences, as long as I'm rich.  - D. Duck
Roger Zoul - 09 May 2006 13:06 GMT
:: I saw a reference to diluting heavy cream with water to approximate
:: milk.  I'd like to try that and see if I can make a low-carb
:: carbonara sauce.  Any tips on how much water to mix with the cream?

Carbonara sauce?.....that just sounds so wrong! :)

:: I ordered some of Dana Carpender's books today, I'm really looking
:: forward to them.  I'd like to be able to make dishes that both Joe
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:: --
:: Consequences, shmonsequences, as long as I'm rich.  - D. Duck
Doug Freyburger - 09 May 2006 20:02 GMT
> I saw a reference to diluting heavy cream with water to approximate
> milk.  I'd like to try that and see if I can make a low-carb carbonara
> sauce.  Any tips on how much water to mix with the cream?

None.  Carbonara is a cream based sauce in its original
versions.  Switching it to milk was a variation attempting to
reduce the fat.  Switch to a recipe that uses cream.

What are you putting the sauce on?  It should work on
spagetti squash.

> I ordered some of Dana Carpender's books today, I'm really looking
> forward to them.  I'd like to be able to make dishes that both Joe
> (non-diabetic or even LC) and I can eat together.  Less work for me,
> as he is impossible in the kitchen, plus I know sometimes he feels
> guilty about eating things that I can no longer have.

It should not be hard to accomidate someone who is not a
low carber at home.  Feed him the same food and if he
wants more carbs make either potatoes or rice.  But wait
for him to ask - He may be happy with your low carb food
and you're done.  Folks who don't have any weight to lose
generally don't lose if they switch to low carb.
FOB - 09 May 2006 20:29 GMT
Not necessarily so, when I started low carbing my SO lost weight.  I had to
make a point to add some potatoes and rice to his meals.  He has never been
the slightest bit overweight and forgets to eat when he gets busy.  He
doesn't like breadstuffs or desserts and isn't much of a snacker--though he
does like pork rinds, sort of a natural low carber.

In news:1147201346.173786.127800@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com,
Doug Freyburger <dfreybur@yahoo.com> stated

| It should not be hard to accomidate someone who is not a
| low carber at home.  Feed him the same food and if he
| wants more carbs make either potatoes or rice.  But wait
| for him to ask - He may be happy with your low carb food
| and you're done.  Folks who don't have any weight to lose
| generally don't lose if they switch to low carb.
JC Der Koenig - 10 May 2006 03:05 GMT
>when I started low carbing my SO lost weight.

Too bad it work for you also.
JC Der Koenig - 10 May 2006 03:39 GMT
>>when I started low carbing my SO lost weight.
>
> Too bad it did not work for you also.
FOB - 10 May 2006 19:26 GMT
Well, it did to the tune of 60 pounds.

In news:onc8g.84830$dW3.20443@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com,
JC Der Koenig <jcderkoenig@ibm.com> stated

||| when I started low carbing my SO lost weight.
||
|| Too bad it did not work for you also.
JC Der Koenig - 11 May 2006 02:10 GMT
You're still obese, therefore it did not work.

> Well, it did to the tune of 60 pounds.
>
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> ||
> || Too bad it did not work for you also.
Leigh Melton - 09 May 2006 20:44 GMT
>What are you putting the sauce on?  It should work on
>spagetti squash.

Dreamfields Linguine.

Joe does not eat vegetables other than starches.  I have no idea how
he stays alive.  He eats a salad before dinner about twice a year.
Meat, cheese, bread and tomato sauce are the basic food groups for
him.  And Peeps.  I've tried putting vegetables (like peas) in
casseroles and he picks them out with his fork.

So spaghetti squash is a non-starter, I'm afraid.  We tried the
Dreamfields spaghetti and he says he can taste a slight difference
from regular pasta but liked it okay.  So I'm sticking with that for
now.  I had no BG problems after eating it last week, according to my
meter.

Leigh

--
Consequences, shmonsequences, as long as I'm rich.  - D. Duck
Doug Freyburger - 09 May 2006 23:02 GMT
> >What are you putting the sauce on?  It should work on
> >spagetti squash.
>
> Dreamfields Linguine.

You believe their claims?  Your choice.  I don't.  My choice.

> Joe does not eat vegetables other than starches.

Ah.  A child when it comes to food.  Not your job to push him
into growing up!
jackiepatti@gmail.com - 10 May 2006 02:21 GMT
> You believe their claims?  Your choice.  I don't.  My choice.

She doesn't have to believe their claims.  She said:

>I had no BG problems after eating it last week, according to my
>meter.

She can certainly believe her meter.

In fact, her life and health depend on her doing so.
Susan - 10 May 2006 02:23 GMT
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>>You believe their claims?  Your choice.  I don't.  My choice.
>
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>
> In fact, her life and health depend on her doing so.

Definitely.

But it behooves any diabetic eating that stuff to keep testing for up to
five hours.  Many of us have found a very late and long spike by doing so.

Many others have no problem with it.

Susan
Leigh Melton - 10 May 2006 05:51 GMT
[regarding Dreamfields pasta]

>But it behooves any diabetic eating that stuff to keep testing for up to
>five hours.  Many of us have found a very late and long spike by doing so.

Thank you for mentioning this.  I did 30 min, 1 hr and 2 hr pp
readings but not after that.

In this case it seems like more testing later, rather than sooner, is
important.  

Another thing I did not know!

Leigh

--
Consequences, shmonsequences, as long as I'm rich.  - D. Duck
Vicki Beausoleil - 10 May 2006 03:09 GMT
>>>What are you putting the sauce on?  It should work on
>>>spagetti squash.
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> Ah.  A child when it comes to food.  Not your job to push him
> into growing up!

When we first met, my husband found the idea of a big green salad for
dinner appalling. Now, he enjoys a big salad meal a few times a week. He
has also broken the salt habit.

Now if only I could get the managers at the fast food stores he goes to
stop giving him free food, he'd drop the excess weight. He does CO2
service and is in every McD's, Wendy's, BK and whatever in the region daily.
Pfffft!

Vicki
Chiaowl - 16 May 2006 13:59 GMT
> When we first met, my husband found the idea of a big green salad for
> dinner appalling. Now, he enjoys a big salad meal a few times a week. He
> has also broken the salt habit.

My husband also refused ALL raw veggies, including salad, when I met him.
Once I started loading up his salad with hot meats (chicken, turkey, pork,
whatever) and cheese on top, or fixed taco salads - sans shell of course -
he started enjoying them and now we eat them daily.  I think the cold greens
may have hurt his teeth?

Sherry
364/290/195
LC since 4/4/05; eating LC but not for weight loss since 4/1/06
Susan - 16 May 2006 14:11 GMT
> My husband also refused ALL raw veggies, including salad, when I met him.
> Once I started loading up his salad with hot meats (chicken, turkey, pork,
> whatever) and cheese on top, or fixed taco salads - sans shell of course -
> he started enjoying them and now we eat them daily.  I think the cold greens
> may have hurt his teeth?

This accounts for about half our weekly dinners in summer.  Mixed baby
greens with nuts, cheese, olives, cukes, tomato and grilled chicken
(wonderful when the warm chicken is placed on top of medallions of goat
cheese, it gets all creamy) or fish.  I also grill a lot of veggies with
olive oil to eat warm with dinner, and cold all week in omelettes and on
sandwiches.

Susan
jackiepatti@gmail.com - 10 May 2006 02:48 GMT
> Joe does not eat vegetables other than starches.  I have no idea how
> he stays alive.  He eats a salad before dinner about twice a year.
> Meat, cheese, bread and tomato sauce are the basic food groups for
> him.  And Peeps.  I've tried putting vegetables (like peas) in
> casseroles and he picks them out with his fork.

My husband was like that.  He grew up in a bakery!  Then, as a single
guy, he lived for years on PB&J, Kraft macaroni & cheese, and other
crap - almost no real food.  I dunno how he didn't die of malnutrition
the decades before I met him.

He still eats some crap, but he eats a lot more real food than he used
to.  It's sorta been gradual over time.  If I haven't offered him a
salad lately, sometimes he even asks for one.

When my daughter was little, I discovered I could get her to eat
veggies by hiding them under cheese sauce.  Didn't work for hubby.
But... soy sauce with fresh ginger and garlic work.  Basically,
anything I fry with fresh ginger and garlic and top with soy sauce,
he'll eat.  One of his favorite foods now is my hamburger/cabbage
stirfry.  Probably gets more vitamin C in a dinner I cook than he did
in a month when he was single.  ;)

I've also discovered he's more *lazy* about food than anything else.
Like... he doesn't think of eating until he's hungry, then just goes
looking for something fast.  So I keep a bowl of fruit on the table -
apples, bananas, pears... stuff I know he likes.

I do buy junk food for him too, and he's not eating anything like an
ideal diet, but it's miles better than when we married.  Sometimes, he
actually *chooses* good food over junk, of his own free will and
everything.  ;)

He complained a while back that my famous butterscotch zucchini cake
that he's loved for years was too sweet!  Bahahahaha!  Man grew up on
leftover cake and finds a *vegetable* based cake too sweet.  I love it.
Heh.

I am gradually tricking him into eating better.  ;)

Breakfast, I mostly eat my hot flax cereal, some cottage cheese, some
fruit.  He usually eats some prepackaged cereal or freezer waffles and
sometimes some fruit.

If I'm actually cooking breakfast, it's some sort of meat, some sort of
eggs, and I just add some toast for him.  Like maybe a cream cheese and
chive omelet, or a sausage and cheese quiche or a veggie frittata or
whatever.  The main thang is not starchy and he can have some starch on
the side.

Lunch, he usually does nukable leftovers or a sandwich, I do a salad.

He will not eat nearly as much volume of produce as I do nor nearly the
variety.  Since  I'm not willing to never eat artichokes again...  I
plan veggies mostly based on what I want.  If it's something he'll eat
too, fine.  If not... I buy a lot of those flavored noodle and rice
packs that cook in 10-15 minutes.  When I'm fixing veggies he doesn't
like, I make him some noodles or rice as his side dish and just have
the veggies myself.

It's really not that different than cooking dinner pre low-carb... I
still cook meat, veggies and a starch.  Just fewer casserole-type
things cause the starch isn't going on *my* plate.

He's recently become enamored of my low-carb pizzas.  I consider it a
meal when I'm too tired or busy to actually cook, not "real" cooking,
but he's gotta hooked on them.  Basically, I take a low-carb tortilla,
put it in a cast-iron skillet, throw on a bit of sauce and a bunch of
cheese then cover with pepperoni and throw in the oven for 10 minutes
until it melts... the tortilla crisps up like an extra-thin crust.  He
asked me if I could make some "good" ones... with mushrooms and onions
and bell peppers and stuff.  Heh.  Asking for vegetables!  Gotta love
it.  ;)
Leigh Melton - 10 May 2006 05:48 GMT
>> Joe does not eat vegetables other than starches.  I have no idea how
>> he stays alive.  He eats a salad before dinner about twice a year.
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>crap - almost no real food.  I dunno how he didn't die of malnutrition
>the decades before I met him.

Joe is from a Chicago Italian family and grew up on... well, meat,
cheese, bread and tomato sauce.  :)  He has added some variety to his
diet since meeting me (18 years ago) but if anything green gets in his
mouth, it's because it's lime Jell-o.  He won't even eat the pickles
that go with certain Japanese dishes.  He has tried a bite of just
about every vegetable I've eaten over the years, but says "nope, don't
like it".  So it's not like he's a "child".  He just doesn't want to
eat them.  I don't think it's my place to shove food into his mouth
(or grab it from him, either, though when he's eating Peeps I just
cringe).

>I've also discovered he's more *lazy* about food than anything else.
>Like... he doesn't think of eating until he's hungry, then just goes
>looking for something fast.  So I keep a bowl of fruit on the table -
>apples, bananas, pears... stuff I know he likes.

Ditto.  He loves fresh pineapple and I keep that around.  I try to buy
whole pineapples and cut them up myself, but if I'm in a rush I'll get
it at the store already cored.  I'm still in my 'afraid of fruit'
phase so I'm steering clear of it.

>He complained a while back that my famous butterscotch zucchini cake
>that he's loved for years was too sweet!  Bahahahaha!  Man grew up on
>leftover cake and finds a *vegetable* based cake too sweet.  I love it.
> Heh.

Butterscotch zucchini cake?  That sounds great to me!  Maybe you will
post the recipe one day, if you haven't already?  :)  

>He's recently become enamored of my low-carb pizzas.  I consider it a
>meal when I'm too tired or busy to actually cook, not "real" cooking,
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>and bell peppers and stuff.  Heh.  Asking for vegetables!  Gotta love
>it.  ;)

Hey, those sound great!  I bought some LC tortillas last shopping
trip.  We had fajitas one night, but I had never thought of making
pizzas with them.  I will definitely try that!  And congratulations on
getting some veg into him painlessly.

Do you have a pepperoni preference?  I haven't bought any in years (my
low-fat past showing here).

I appreciate the ideas very much.  I guess like most people I felt a
little doomed, food-wise, when first diagnosed with diabetes.  I have
dozens of bookmarks now to look at diabetic-friendly ingredients and
the future looks much more tasty.  :)

Leigh

--
Consequences, shmonsequences, as long as I'm rich.  - D. Duck
jackiepatti@gmail.com - 10 May 2006 13:46 GMT
I buy pepperoni at Aldi's cause it's cheap.  I do a lot of bulk
shopping there.  It comes in 3.5 ounce packs sliced and I buy a case at
a time.  I use a half pack at a time on a pizza, which completly covers
it with the pepperoni overlapping.

The butterscotch zucchini cake is *not* a low-carb recipe nor is it
diabetic-friendly.  I bake a lot of my husband's junk food just because
I am more likely to bake some with *some* vegetable content and/or
fruit content than most junk-food manufacturers.  He does still eat
junk food, so I try to provide some "better" junk food.

Similarly, I don't eat the apples, bananas and grapes I buy for him
fresh, they're just there to fill a hole better than potato chips and
candy bars and such.  I also buy canned fruit at Aldi's for him to keep
on hand - pears, peaches and pineapple.    And dried fruits - raisins
and others too.  I mix up batches of "trail mix" with nuts and coconut
and stuff for him too.

The only fruits I eat myself are small portions of melons and berries.
I keep the rest around for him.

He eats a lot better than when he was single, but... it's mostly cause
of what I buy and keep around and he's gotten used to since we've been
married.  Without me, his habits revert quickly.  I was hospitalized a
while back - only gone *one* day - and he made a box of macaroni and
cheese for dinner.  That was 50% of his diet before we married... he
reverted quickly.  ;)
 
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