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Weight Loss Forum / Low Carb / May 2006Is it ok to eat really high sodium foods on LC?
I think I could stick out LC, if I can buy a lot of the prepared meats, but they have pretty high sodium levels. I don't have high blood pressure or anything, but I'm wondering if all the sodium is good. Thanks for any advice. Welcome. Too much sodium in anyones diet is not good. Most prefer to eat unprocessed meats because the processed lunch meats, hotdogs, sausages, and bacon are chock full of which preservatives, sodium, hidden sugars and nitrates cause some people some trouble like stalling, water retention, and elevated blood sugars. One of the first things your body does when low carbing is it rids itself of the stored water when you stop eating the carbs. Eating large amounts of sodium will counteract your body releasing its "bloat". Most people in here stick to unprocessed meats. Steaks, hamburger, chicken, fresh fish, pork etc. Some eat preservative and sugar free sausages, bacon etc but it can be hard to find. Try "pure" meats, salads, cheeses including cottage cheese, eggs, and veggies to start but steer clear of peas corn and carrots ( note too that cheese can cause some people problems) Best Wishes Laureen 410/180/180 Had WLS Jan 31st 2005, Lives Low Carb, Low Fat, Low Cal http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/freakinlunachick/album?.dir=/90dd&.src=ph&.tok=phh J9gCBLmL1VUob > I think I could stick out LC, if I can buy a lot of the prepared meats, > but they have pretty high sodium levels. I don't have high blood > pressure or anything, but I'm wondering if all the sodium is good. > > Thanks for any advice. Good phrase: Pure meats. Ok...going to put my salty, seasoned burger patties back in the freezer for now :) THANKS! >I think I could stick out LC, if I can buy a lot of the prepared meats, > but they have pretty high sodium levels. I don't have high blood > pressure or anything, but I'm wondering if all the sodium is good. > > Thanks for any advice. I eat cheddar cheese like there's no tomorrow. Works fine. Just remember if you're counting cals, a one inch cube of cheese has 100 calories. Thats dang small. It adds up fast just like with nuts. A little is a lot! Laureen > >I think I could stick out LC, if I can buy a lot of the prepared meats, > > but they have pretty high sodium levels. I don't have high blood [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I eat cheddar cheese like there's no tomorrow. Works fine. > Just remember if you're counting cals, a one inch cube of cheese has > 100 calories. Thats dang small. It adds up fast just like with nuts. A > little is a lot! > Laureen That's true for any low carb (hell, low fat, hell, low anything) food. >> >I think I could stick out LC, if I can buy a lot of the prepared meats, >> > but they have pretty high sodium levels. I don't have high blood [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> >> I eat cheddar cheese like there's no tomorrow. Works fine. My point was how it is unbelievable how a few nuts and one teeny piece of cheese can have so many calories. It is so easy to over due it when it comes to nuts and cheese. Nobody can eat one nut or one ounce of cheese. Kinda like the Lays potato chip commercial :) > > Just remember if you're counting cals, a one inch cube of cheese has > > 100 calories. Thats dang small. It adds up fast just like with nuts. A [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >> > >> I eat cheddar cheese like there's no tomorrow. Works fine. > My point was how it is unbelievable how a few nuts and one teeny piece > of cheese can have so many calories. It is so easy to over due it when > it comes to nuts and cheese. Nobody can eat one nut or one ounce of > cheese. Kinda like the Lays potato chip commercial :) I can and do. Everyone is different. >> > Just remember if you're counting cals, a one inch cube of cheese has >> > 100 calories. Thats dang small. It adds up fast just like with nuts. A [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >> >> >> >> I eat cheddar cheese like there's no tomorrow. Works fine. > > My point was how it is unbelievable how a few nuts and one teeny piece > > of cheese can have so many calories. It is so easy to over due it when > > it comes to nuts and cheese. Nobody can eat one nut or one ounce of > > cheese. Kinda like the Lays potato chip commercial :) > > I can and do. Everyone is different. <snip> Perhaps this will become a problem for me in the future, but I've never really consciously moderated my intake of cheese or almonds at all (however other nuts are another story), and my weight loss has been quite stellar IMHO. >> > My point was how it is unbelievable how a few nuts and one teeny piece >> > of cheese can have so many calories. It is so easy to over due it when [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > all (however other nuts are another story), and my weight loss has been > quite stellar IMHO. Are you somewhat active physically? >> Just remember if you're counting cals, a one inch cube of cheese has >> 100 calories. Thats dang small. It adds up fast just like with nuts. A >> little is a lot! >> Laureen > > That's true for any low carb (hell, low fat, hell, low anything) food. In a practical sense, yes; but it would be damned difficult to exceed your daily calorie allotment eating nothing but leafy greens and celery... > I think I could stick out LC, if I can buy a lot of the prepared meats, > but they have pretty high sodium levels. I don't have high blood > pressure or anything, but I'm wondering if all the sodium is good. > > Thanks for any advice. Are you LCing strictly to lose weight? With no improvement in general health other than losing weight? If this is the case, then eat any crap you want that happens to be low carb. If you want to maximise, and I mean really maximize, your health, eat only real natural whole-food foods with the least amount of refining, processing and added chemicals, including salt. By real foods, I mean real fresh meats from animals raised with clean water, a clean environment and clean real food and the minimum of medications and pelletized manufactured animal feeds. Real fruits and veggies from plants raised with clean water in a clean environment with the minimum of chemicals, pesticides, herbicides, etc. in clean rich soils. Any food with a food label on it is not always the best choice. There is always a better choice. Real food generally has no food label on it. Think fresh meat or fresh produce... no food labels. I shop from two areas of the grocery store, the meat dept and the fresh produce dept. If you can get your food from a small organic producer, even better. Stick to fresh whole foods with little or no processing for the most part, and if you consume a small amount of processed foods, you'll be fine. But if your diet is primarily processed or refined foods, you will at some point have health problems. I strive to consume at least 95%+ of my food from real food sources with no processing or refining other than general prepping and cooking. That way when I eat a bit of processed food, I know that I will still be healthy. TC > > I think I could stick out LC, if I can buy a lot of the prepared meats, > > but they have pretty high sodium levels. I don't have high blood [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > health other than losing weight? If this is the case, then eat any crap > you want that happens to be low carb. If you're low carbing to lose fat, then you'll understand that salt causes water retention and neither salt nor water are fat. Salt in the diet does not interfere with fat loss for all but a tiny minority. It can mask fat loss for a while, though. > If you want to maximise, and I mean really maximize, your health, eat > only real natural whole-food foods with the least amount of refining, > processing and added chemicals, including salt. There's also a sliding scale to this. Processing comes in degrees. > By real foods, I mean real fresh meats from animals raised with clean > water, a clean environment and clean real food and the minimum of > medications and pelletized manufactured animal feeds. Real fruits and > veggies from plants raised with clean water in a clean environment with > the minimum of chemicals, pesticides, herbicides, etc. in clean rich > soils. For example a processed meat that's a modern recipe where you can't even tell what animal it was made from compared to sausage made using a recipes that's centuries old. Both are processed but one has stood the test of time. Sure it's true that pork cut fresh from the bone is better than salt cured country ham. But it's also true that country ham is better than square stuff in a plastic container. > Any food with a food label on it is not always the best choice. There > is always a better choice. Real food generally has no food label on it. > Think fresh meat or fresh produce... no food labels. But there are also worse choices as well so it is a judgement call. Where to draw the line? Have no doubt - the more conservatively you draw the line at the start the better you'll end up doing for both health and loss. But in that judgement call there are more choices than left over fresh roast beef and a fake looking hot dog that mentions beef on the label but you can't tell if it's a major ingredient or a spice. In between there's jerky (many will call it unprocessed) and beef summer sausage. > I shop from two areas of the grocery store, the meat dept and the fresh > produce dept. If you can get your food from a small organic producer, > even better. With pork there's a similar scale - fresh cut, ham or bacon, salami or peperoni, some stuff in a plastic wrapped package. > Stick to fresh whole foods with little or no processing for the most > part, and if you consume a small amount of processed foods, you'll be > fine. But if your diet is primarily processed or refined foods, you > will at some point have health problems. Taking into account the convenience of prepared meats and the ill effects of the stuff that comes in a plastic package with no clear-cut animal content, I take traditional nature of the recipe into account. Peperoni is about as processed as I like to get. Fresh, yes. Ham/bacon, yes. Salami/pepperoni, yes, non-kosher but okay brand franks rarely, tube looking frnaks with no known brand, probably not even at a concert. > I strive to consume at least 95%+ of my food from real food sources > with no processing or refining other than general prepping and cooking. > That way when I eat a bit of processed food, I know that I will still > be healthy. The percentage method is the way to go. Pick a percentage that you *can* handle. Do that for a while. Then think it over and see if you can handle a higher percentage. Get over 50% and at least your corpse won't be preserved in advance. Get over 80% and you'll think brocolli is a normal food not an ingredient in canned soups. Get over 90% and you'll loose the doctor's business card and have to look on the Internet for ones carried by your insurance. Is it okay to eat salty foods? Yup. The human body is evolved to eject large amounts of salt. Is it the best way to go? Nope. It there a gray scale in between that takes making judgement calls and compromises to find what works for you? Definitely. >> > I think I could stick out LC, if I can buy a lot of the prepared meats, >> > but they have pretty high sodium levels. I don't have high blood [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > In between there's jerky (many will call it unprocessed) and > beef summer sausage. i make jerky, i'd hardlt call it processed - seasoned and dryed maybe. summer sausage is creepy though. >> I shop from two areas of the grocery store, the meat dept and the fresh >> produce dept. If you can get your food from a small organic producer, [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > It there a gray scale in between that takes making judgement > calls and compromises to find what works for you? Definitely. My dentist and his wife are terrific friends of mine. They are estatic to see us finally dropping our weight. One suggestion from them was this: Shop the outer aisles of the store and the dairy section. In a lot of stores the dairy section is on the outer aisle too, not mine. Laureen > > I think I could stick out LC, if I can buy a lot of the prepared meats, > > but they have pretty high sodium levels. I don't have high blood [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > TC > My dentist and his wife are terrific friends of mine. They are estatic > to see us finally dropping our weight. One suggestion from them was > this: Shop the outer aisles of the store and the dairy section. In a > lot of stores the dairy section is on the outer aisle too, not mine. > Laureen That's because the big dairy cases can be refilled from the backside and that would take up too much room if they are in the middle of the stores. Also, so that you have to walk through the entire store to get to the dairy cases---marketing strategies put these cases on the back wall, hoping you'll spot something else on the way and put it in your cart. Pat in TX > My dentist and his wife are terrific friends of mine. They are estatic > to see us finally dropping our weight. One suggestion from them was > this: Shop the outer aisles of the store and the dairy section. In a > lot of stores the dairy section is on the outer aisle too, not mine. > Laureen i think Atkins says this in his book too. he said something about shopping only the perimeter of the store because that's where you find the produce, meat dept, fish dept and dairy sections. >> > I think I could stick out LC, if I can buy a lot of the prepared meats, >> > but they have pretty high sodium levels. I don't have high blood [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] >> >> TC > I think I could stick out LC, if I can buy a lot of the prepared meats, > but they have pretty high sodium levels. I don't have high blood > pressure or anything, but I'm wondering if all the sodium is good. > > Thanks for any advice. I have it on good medical authority (not mine - I'm a psychologist, not a "real" doctor) that the dangers of a high-salt diet are only significant for those with preexisting hypertension. Aside from that, I really don't think it's something you should obsess about. Looks like I'm in the minority on this one, but oh well. >>I think I could stick out LC, if I can buy a lot of the prepared meats, >>but they have pretty high sodium levels. I don't have high blood [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > really don't think it's something you should obsess about. Looks like > I'm in the minority on this one, but oh well. I've read that the salt/blood pressure relationship is such that only SOME people are sensitive to salt raising BP. And these SOME people get no BP reduction from a lower salt diet. People who exercise fall in love with "performance drinks" which are fortified with SALT and POTASSIUM and SUGARS and some add other stuff such as Vitamin C. So, if you sweat, the popular exercise culture tells you SALT IS GOOD. And, you are doing exercise on Atkins, right? RIGHT ? ? No sweat or sweat -- exercise? If you are sweating during your exercise, a little more salt is probably not bad. Avoid those foods that give you nearly 1,000 mg of salt in a serving of a couple of ounces. Unless you sweat a lot from exercise. \---------------------------------------------------/ In modern medicine, there are more complex rules than LOW XXX ... whatever XXX is. Unless it is Arsenic or Lead in your diet. Those simple rules of LOW LEAD and LOW ARSENIC will probably not be changed for a good while to come. I would try to avoid long terms of being more than 2X or 3X the daily salt requirement (as it currently stands). I wouldn't get upset about some short term elevated salt consumption. Unless it was known I was BP-Salt sensitive and had high BP. I recently pigged out on free Brats at a fly fishing class - guilt free. Sans buns, of course.  Signature1) Eat Till SATISFIED, Not STUFFED... Atkins repeated 9 times in the book 2) Exercise: It's Non-Negotiable..... Chapter 22 title, Atkins book 3) Don't Diet Without Supplemental Nutrients... Chapter 23 title, Atkins book 4) A sensible eating plan, and follow it. (Atkins, Self Made or Other) > I think I could stick out LC, if I can buy a lot of the prepared meats, > but they have pretty high sodium levels. I don't have high blood > pressure or anything, but I'm wondering if all the sodium is good. I think it's variable, health-wise. I CAN tell you that whenever I go over 2500mg of sodium a day, my weight goes up by 2-3 lbs, GUARANTEED. That doesn't mean it's FAT, though, so as long as you keep that in mind and it doesn't freak you out, then that aspect isn't really a problem. SignatureSaffire 205/140/135-140 (aka JUST RIGHT!) Atkins since 6/14/03 Progress photo: http://photos.yahoo.com/saffire333 *** This post originated in alt.support.diet.low-carb -- its appearance in any other forum is deceptive and unauthorized. *** |
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