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Weight Loss Forum / Low Carb / July 2006hard tummy, diet not working!
Okay something bizarre is going on and I need input, bear with me this is a little long. I have been basically not eating sugar, bread and pastas as I feel best (energy wise) eating this way as carbs poop me out . I usually just stuck to berries, but I am allowing myself some fruits like watermelon and cantalope. I am drinking 64 oz of water a day (I'm 100 pounds overweight). I am exercising at the YMCA every other day doing the bike for one mile and treadmill for two miles. On off days I use my EZ Glider at home and use some 5 pound weights and an exercise ball a little for squats and with the weights. I have not gotten on the scale in 2 weeks, and I have been eating and exercising like this for two weeks. I actually feel fatter, especially in my upper tummy where it it BIGGER and hard as a rock (usually a little mooshy). I'm not doing any tummy exercises. What's going on that I feel so much fatter? Too much water? Not enough water? Wrong foods? I will mention I am hypothryoid and even though on meds, I have a very hard time taking any weight off. My energy level is good, and besides feeling fatter than ever, I feel good. I suppose I should weigh myself tomorrow morning since it has been two weeks, and see if I have gained, somehow. Anyways, here is what I ate today and I have been eating pretty similar for almost two weeks. Today: Breakfast - hard boiled egg and a cup of watermelon Lunch - A few slices of turkey and a low carb yogurt Afternoon snack - cup of strawberries Dinner - 2 small walleye fillets and one cup of zucchini Anything wrong with this? Yesterday: Breakfast - hard boiled egg, three sausage links Lunch - 3 oz can of tuna in lettuce, 1/4 cup cottage cheese, 1/2 an avocado Snack - cup of watermelon Dinner - homemade taco salad just on lettuce Anything wrong with this? Thanks for any input and suggestions. > Okay something bizarre is going on and I need input, bear with me this is a > little long. I have been basically not eating sugar, bread and pastas as I [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > Thanks for any input and suggestions. I will be interested to see what the scale says. If you have gained, it is because muscle weighs more than fat, and you're building muscle. Muscles need to be fed, so in the long run, the more muscle you have, the faster your fat will be metabolized. > I will be interested to see what the scale says. > > If you have gained, it is because muscle weighs more than fat, and you're > building muscle. Muscles need to be fed, so in the long run, the more > muscle you have, the faster your fat will be metabolized. I will weigh in the morning and post it tomorrow evening. But still, I have not done any stomach exercises, yet I definately feel fatter around the middle, and that bothers me a lot becuase it is more noticable in my work tops. :( > I will weigh in the morning and post it tomorrow evening. But still, I > have not done any stomach exercises, yet I definately feel fatter around > the middle, and that bothers me a lot becuase it is more noticable in my > work tops. :( My tummy didn't get harder but when I started losing weight I developed a bulge in front, just above my waist, that I've never had before.  SignatureSherry 364/290/195 LC since 4/4/05; eating LC but not for weight loss since 4/1/06 > My tummy didn't get harder but when I started losing weight I developed a > bulge in front, just above my waist, that I've never had before. What do you contribute that to? Do you think it was from exercise, bloating, or... ? And do you recall how long it took before it went down? > What do you contribute that to? Do you think it was from exercise, > bloating, or... ? And do you recall how long it took before it went > down? I don't know. My body shape changed a great deal, that was one of the changes; the rest of my body got smaller. And it never has gone down. I've been maintaining at my current weight for a few months...when I go back into "loss mode" I'm hoping it will. SignatureSherry 364/290/195 LC since 4/4/05; eating LC but not for weight loss since 4/1/06 >> I will be interested to see what the scale says. >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > the middle, and that bothers me a lot becuase it is more noticable in my > work tops. :( Is it around your "time of the month?" Even before my weight problem started I would always feel kind of bloated the week before my period. LW Start - 7/5/06 - 170lbs Today - 162 lbs Goal - 130lbs Height 5'6" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ no, that was over a week ago. "Angie" > Okay something bizarre is going on and I need input, bear with me this is a > little long. I have been basically not eating sugar, bread and pastas as > I [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > home and use some 5 pound weights and an exercise ball a little for squats > and with the weights. Bike one mile? Treadmill 2 miles? Huh? This isn't exercise, it's loafing. Yesterday, I rode my bike outdoors for 37 miles and on Monday, I went 54 miles. Now, THAT's working out! (it was 107 on Monday but only in the high 90's yesterday). You need to seriously upgrade your exercise. Pat in TX > Bike one mile? Treadmill 2 miles? Huh? This isn't exercise, it's loafing. > Yesterday, I rode my bike outdoors for 37 miles and on Monday, I went 54 > miles. Now, THAT's working out! (it was 107 on Monday but only in the high > 90's yesterday). You need to seriously upgrade your exercise. Okay, but I just started exercising. I went from sedetary nothing, to this in two weeks only. I am going to increase gradually. I'm in very bad shape, horribly painful grinding knees and heel spurs. I think you are expecting too much out of me given what I just said. >> Bike one mile? Treadmill 2 miles? Huh? This isn't exercise, it's loafing. >> Yesterday, I rode my bike outdoors for 37 miles and on Monday, I went 54 [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > bad shape, horribly painful grinding knees and heel spurs. I think you > are expecting too much out of me given what I just said. Angie, keep walking and work up slowly. Compared to some people 3 miles is good! Too many of us do little more than walk from the sofa to the snack cabinet. I'm doing 1 1/2 to 2 miles a day and hope to build that up a bit more as time passes. There are exercises I read about for heel spurs. I don't have the URL though. Isn't it also called fasciitis? LW Start - 7/5/06 - 170lbs Today - 162 lbs Goal - 130lbs Height 5'6" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Okay, but I just started exercising. I went from sedetary nothing, to > this in two weeks only. I am going to increase gradually. I'm in very > bad shape, horribly painful grinding knees and heel spurs. I think you > are expecting too much out of me given what I just said. Well, you didn't initially write that you had just started exercising. Neither did you write that your knees hurt. As for the "heel spurs", you can try to alleviate that by stretching exercises. Standing on a moderate slant board will help. Nothing that slants that you can stand on? How about some stairs? Stand on the stair with the balls of your feet and gradually lower your heels to stretch out the area. How do you know you have heel spurs? Just having pain in the plantar fascitis area doesn't mean you have heel spurs. It could mean that you need to stretch...in fact, practically everyone could benefit from stretching that area. You see, though, you also wrote that this time frame has only been 2 weeks! Your diet is working, but you have to realize you are in for the long run and 2 weeks is only a blip of time in the scheme of things. Give it some more time, and you'll see success. Pat in TX > Bike one mile? Treadmill 2 miles? Huh? This isn't exercise, it's loafing. > Yesterday, I rode my bike outdoors for 37 miles and on Monday, I went 54 > miles. Now, THAT's working out! (it was 107 on Monday but only in the high > 90's yesterday). You need to seriously upgrade your exercise. That would be considered excessive exercise by many people. Better she does a few miles than none at all. LW Start - 7/5/06 - 170lbs Today - 162 lbs Goal - 130lbs Height 5'6" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ::: Bike one mile? Treadmill 2 miles? Huh? This isn't exercise, it's ::: loafing. Yesterday, I rode my bike outdoors for 37 miles and on [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] :: :: That would be considered excessive exercise by many people. Only those that don't do much exercise. ::Better she does a few miles than none at all. Agreed! Everyone has to start somewhere.....it's where you end up that matters most. Angie is off to a great start. Boy Pat thats some serious exercise , but lets say it takes her to do a 15 min mile thats 3.5mph on a treadmill ususally a beginner is at that level so right there is 30 minutes of time and add the bike for one mile probably another 5 to 10 minutes thats perfect for a beginner!!! I think is great that someone 100 lbs overweight is exercising!!!!!! > "Angie" > Okay something bizarre is going on and I need input, bear with me > this is a [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Pat in TX > Boy Pat thats some serious exercise , but lets say it takes her to do a > 15 min mile thats 3.5mph on a treadmill ususally a beginner is at that > level so right there is 30 minutes of time and add the bike for one > mile probably another 5 to 10 minutes thats perfect for a beginner!!! > I think is great that someone 100 lbs overweight is exercising!!!!!! Yes, but she didn't explain up front about the painful knees, etc. On the other hand, the title of her post was "Hard tummy, diet not working!" and without some "serious exercise" I don't see how anyone can blame the diet for not making her tummy hard. I have legs that are hard as steel, but it wasn't from the diet--it was from using those muscles. Pat in TX Try removing all sugar from the diet including fruit. Stick with protein & vegetables and some fat to slow digestion. Take a vitamin C supplement if your concerned about vitamin C. Also purchase some Ketosticks to check for ketones in your urine. They are available at Wmart or any drug store and are not expensive. If your loosing fat the ketones will appear in the urine. Lack of ketones in urine would indicate consumption of hidden sugar, carbohydrates or too much protein. The quantities of food you listed look good. Drop the yougurt, it's loaded with sugar also. Try to keep your carbs under 20 grams per day. Your appetite will diminish and ketones will appear after 3 days of restricted carbohydrates & sugar. Insulin is a fat storage hormone. Your goal is to reduce the amount of insulin that you produce while continuing to exercise & diet. Any sugar or carbohydrate you consume will produce insulin period. Too much protein will also cause an insulin release. Keep protein portions under 6 ounces per meal. Fat and Fiber slows digestion and insulin secretion but fat adds calories and fiber is usually associated with carbohydrates. Read labels and ingredients very carefully. If the amount of sugar or carbos per serving is less than 1 gm per serving the FDA does not require the mfg. to list it. So for instance you have a product that has .99 grams of sugar per serving but the label indicates 0. In reality you might be consuming a substancial amount of sugar even though the label indicates you have not consumed any. Watch your ingredients carefully. Keep up the exercise everyday. Exercise is very good for your endocrine system. You produce much less insulin when your exercising everyday. > Okay something bizarre is going on and I need input, bear with me this is > a [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > watermelon > and cantalope........... You may feel fatter but not be fatter. Weigh yourself and see. If you're building muscle you may not enjoy much weight loss at first. Watermelon isn't low carb. LW Start - 7/5/06 - 170lbs Today - 162 lbs Goal - 130lbs Height 5'6" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Watermelon isn't low carb. Yes, I know, and while I am doing lowER carb, I'm not really following Atkins or something. I checked and it is lower carb than most fruits, besides berries. It is lower than apples, peers, apricots, peaches, etc. and I wanted a little variety. After tomorrow (3 days eating it) I won't have it anymore anyways. Angie I made an earlier post about you exercising and how great it is that you are treadmilling and biking!! I wish when I was losing weight I started right away but I waiting till I lost weight because I was too embassesed to walk into a gym at 218 lbs. > > Watermelon isn't low carb. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > and I wanted a little variety. After tomorrow (3 days eating it) I won't > have it anymore anyways. <catskills@monmouth.com> wrote Angie I made an earlier post about you exercising and how great it is that you are treadmilling and biking!! I wish when I was losing weight I started right away but I waiting till I lost weight because I was too embassesed to walk into a gym at 218 lbs. Well, I was 260 pounds when I joined the Y, actually as a Christmas present from my dad. When I first joined last December I tried a low impact exercise group using balls and weights and floor exercises. If I was 50 pounds lighter that class would have been so easy. However, I was so winded so easily, and my knees and back killed. I felt so horrible in that class, I was the biggest one there. And then to top it off my trainer moved me to the front of the class because I had bad balance, and up front I could hold onto the wall if I needed too. I hated being in front of everyone and having to look at myself up close in the mirrored wall exercising. Needless to say I dropped out of the class after going twice and gave up feeling sorry for and embarrassed for myself. But looking in my closet at all the clothes I could be wearing this summer finally motivated me to start some exercise plan on my own, at my own pace. Even if I'm not losing right now, I do have more energy with the exercise. I just have to figure out what type of combination of eating and exercise is going to be the ticket for me. I give you a lot of credit to start an exercise program at 260!!! Now I have a feeling when you get on the scale you are going to be suprised. Please keep us informed, I am very interested in how your journey progresses. Thanks M > <catskills@monmouth.com> wrote > Angie I made an earlier post about you exercising and how great it is [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > I do have more energy with the exercise. I just have to figure out what > type of combination of eating and exercise is going to be the ticket for me. :: "Lá~ká~ Wáná" <none@no-one.net> wrote ::: Watermelon isn't low carb. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] :: apricots, peaches, etc. and I wanted a little variety. After :: tomorrow (3 days eating it) I won't have it anymore anyways. It all depends on how much you eat. 1 cup has about 10 carbs & 48 calories. Not bad if you don't eat too many carbs elsewhere. :: Okay something bizarre is going on and I need input, bear with me :: this is a little long. I have been basically not eating sugar, :: bread and pastas as I feel best (energy wise) eating this way as :: carbs poop me out . I usually just stuck to berries, but I am :: allowing myself some fruits like watermelon and cantalope. I am :: drinking 64 oz of water a day (I'm 100 pounds overweight). I say drink enough water to pee clear, but no more. If you're peeing more than 5 times a day, methinks you're a fish in training. I am :: exercising at the YMCA every other day doing the bike for one mile :: and treadmill for two miles. On off days I use my EZ Glider at home :: and use some 5 pound weights and an exercise ball a little for :: squats and with the weights. Sounds as if 5 lbs weights are a bit light for you......try to increase that over time... :: I have not gotten on the scale in 2 weeks, and I have been eating and :: exercising like this for two weeks. I actually feel fatter, :: especially in my upper tummy where it it BIGGER and hard as a rock :: (usually a little mooshy). Hard as a rock? What kind of rock is that? :) :: I'm not doing any tummy exercises. Well, just because you're not specifically exercising your abs doesn't mean they aren't getting used to do other exercise.....cycling is good for using ab muscles...squats as well. No doubt, you're using your abs more than you realize.... :: What's going on that I feel so much fatter? You feel fatter? Perhaps the exercise is just making you more aware of your body.... :: Too much water? Not :: enough water? You sound like a fish to me! :) :: Wrong foods? I will mention I am hypothryoid and :: even though on meds, I have a very hard time taking any weight off. Well, you're in weirdzone (IMO) with hypothryoid stuff going on. :: My energy level is good, and besides feeling fatter than ever, I :: feel good. I suppose I should weigh myself tomorrow morning since :: it has been two weeks, and see if I have gained, somehow. I say keep going and control diet. Work on increasing everything (execisewise) slowly ..... :: Anyways, here is what I ate today and I have been eating pretty :: similar for almost two weeks. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] :: Dinner - 2 small walleye fillets and one cup of zucchini :: Anything wrong with this? Sounds good. :: Yesterday: :: Breakfast - hard boiled egg, three sausage links :: Lunch - 3 oz can of tuna in lettuce, 1/4 cup cottage cheese, 1/2 an :: avocado Snack - cup of watermelon :: Dinner - homemade taco salad just on lettuce :: Anything wrong with this? Sounds okay. :: Thanks for any input and suggestions. Good luck! Hang tight. > I say drink enough water to pee clear, but no more. If you're peeing more > than 5 times a day, methinks you're a fish in training. Everywhere I have read says basically the same thing: "Eight 8-ounce glasses of water a day for the average person, but if you're overweight, you should drink another eight ounces for every 25 pounds of excess weight you carry." In my case that would put me at drinking 96 ounces of water a day! I do drink probably more around 72 ounces on the average. By my third potty stop of the day, it is already clear. Maybe that is why I am starting to form scales. ;) :: "Roger Zoul" <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> wrote ::: I say drink enough water to pee clear, but no more. If you're ::: peeing more than 5 times a day, methinks you're a fish in training. :: :: Everywhere I have read says basically the same thing: That good reason to not believe it. :: "Eight 8-ounce glasses of water a day for the average person, but if :: you're overweight, you should drink another eight ounces for every :: 25 pounds of excess weight you carry." Find the research that backs this up. In my case that would put :: me at drinking 96 ounces of water a day! I do drink probably more :: around 72 ounces on the average. By my third potty stop of the day, :: it is already clear. Maybe that is why I am starting to form :: scales. ;) Most likely. Do a search for water and diet and just about every article says that, even Atkins and even at my friend's Weight Watchers meeting. They say the more fat, the more water needed to flush out fat as you lose weight, also the more exercise the more water you need for your muscles. The way I see it, as long as you are not retaining and you are letting out the water, what is the harm in drinking it? Actually, you can drink too much water according to some. Again, it is a theory, but it makes sense. The claim is that too much water will deplete the body of certain electrolytes such as potassium, and apparently there are cases of people dying from drinking large quantities of water in short periods of time. I think one I read was about a US Marine that died after drinking a large quantity of water after he finished a long hike. If I recall, the autopsy showed very low electrolyte amounts in his body. The argument here is that perspiring also causes the electrolyte loss, so it could have been a case of the combination of the two. What I try to do personally is to sip on water most of the day instead of drinking large quantities at one time. I feel better that way. I do not measure how much water I drink in a day, but I know it is close to a gallon, because I fill a one gallon jug and leave it in the fridge every day. At the end of the day it is almost empty, or sometimes I even refill it an extra time. I also drink water away from home, so that adds to my total. I don't think a person needs to waterlog themselves, but you shouldn't be walking around saying I'm thirsty all the time either. Again, you need to find your comfort zone. Chris > Do a search for water and diet and just about every article says that, > even Atkins and even at my friend's Weight Watchers meeting. They say the > more fat, the more water needed to flush out fat as you lose weight, also > the more exercise the more water you need for your muscles. The way I see > it, as long as you are not retaining and you are letting out the water, > what is the harm in drinking it? If you want the diet to work, try eating less and exercising more instead of making excuses. > Do a search for water and diet and just about every article says that, > even Atkins and even at my friend's Weight Watchers meeting. They say the > more fat, the more water needed to flush out fat as you lose weight, also > the more exercise the more water you need for your muscles. The way I see > it, as long as you are not retaining and you are letting out the water, > what is the harm in drinking it? > If you want the diet to work, try eating less and exercising more instead > of making excuses. Did you even look at my example daily menus? eat less??? Some have said I'm probably not eating enough. And as far as exercise, like I said, I'm new at it and taking into consideration my physical problems and how much I am overweight, I think I'm going okay right now. >> If you want the diet to work, try eating less and exercising more instead >> of making excuses. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > new at it and taking into consideration my physical problems and how much > I am overweight, I think I'm going okay right now. If you're not losing weight then you're eating too much. You are not a scientific anomaly that can live outside the rules of the physical universe. Quit making excuses and eat less and exercise more if you want the diet to work. FFS, at your weight if you missed a meal or two the fat would start falling off. :: Do a search for water and diet and just about every article says :: that, even Atkins and even at my friend's Weight Watchers meeting. :: They say the more fat, the more water needed to flush out fat as you :: lose weight, Your body uses that fat for energy, not to flush it out. also the more exercise the more water you need for your :: muscles. Well, you're not quite at that point yet.... The way I see it, as long as you are not retaining and you :: are letting out the water, what is the harm in drinking it? Well, it's not necessarily helping you to lose weight. I read all the other replies before I posted this, and there is some good advice in the other replies. I remember when I started low carb, I also got back into walking and weightlifting. I actually gained weight during the first week of induction, but I know now that it was water. I have a theory about this, and it is only a theory, but I think some people when they start exercising, experience their body storing water. It may be due to the exercising, and the muscles wanting their share of the water. Especially when exercising, your muscles need water. You won't build so much muscle in 2 weeks that you can actually "see" the difference in size, but you may feel the muscles tightening things up, which could be due to them holding more water than normal on a temporary basis. If you are still feeling the "need" for sugar from the fruit, I would suggest trying induction similar to what Atkins recommends in his book. Basically 20g of carbs, mostly from leafy green veggies. A good starting point for protein/fat/carb balance is 25/70/5 in percentages. The basic reason for induction is to break the carb habit. The nice thing about it is you normally see a nice amount of weight loss, mainly due to water from glycogen storage. You will more than likely need to adjust your percentages based on what works for you. I recommend journaling your food intake daily on FitDay or some similar method until you get a good feel for your proportions and calorie intake. Yes calories still count on low carb. Enjoy the satisfying hi fat low carb foods that will curb your appetite and also help get rid of the desire for sugars and other carbs. A salad with bacon, hard boiled eggs, and a little cheese with some real dressing will do a lot of good. Don't cut the fat down. So many people eat too little fat on low carb, and it causes them to eat too much protein, or fall off the wagon and eat too many carbs. The basic theory behind low carb is to eat hi fat, satisfying foods. This will cause you to eat less calories because the food seems more "filling" to you. As far as the exercise, anything is better than nothing, and too much can also be bad, but I recommend reading up on heart rate and exercise. You will find a target heart rate for you weight,age and gender. You want to maintain the proper heart rate during your exercise time for maximum benefit. There is a plethora of information on the net about this. Chris > Okay something bizarre is going on and I need input, bear with me this is > a [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > Thanks for any input and suggestions. |Okay something bizarre is going on and I need input, bear with me this is a |little long. | |I have not gotten on the scale in 2 weeks, and I have been eating and |exercising like this for two weeks. I actually feel fatter, especially in |my upper tummy where it it BIGGER and hard as a rock Sounds like constipation. You're full of sh*t. <g> Angie, I had a thought this morning. You said how far you were going on your exercising. That's backwards! What I mean is, you should be counting how long you do the exercise and not worry about how far you walk. Aim for 30 minutes a day and forget the distance. As you lose weight and get fitter, the distance will go up all by itself. Pat in TX Yep, I always do 30 to 40 minutes minimum. I had read a long time ago that your metabolism will actually benefit from actually 40 minutes or more. "Angie" > Yep, I always do 30 to 40 minutes minimum. I had read a long time ago that > your metabolism will actually benefit from actually 40 minutes or more. I don't know what you mean by "your metabolism will actually benefit." Mine must really be benefiting right now because I rode my bike 70 miles today! BTW: Did you realize you used the word "actually" twice in the same sentence? Pat actually in TX :: Yep, I always do 30 to 40 minutes minimum. I had read a long time :: ago that your metabolism will actually benefit from actually 40 :: minutes or more. Long & steady doens't boost metabolism nearly as much a stort & hard. That old theory and been replaced by new research. > Long & steady doens't boost metabolism nearly as much a stort & hard. > That old theory and been replaced by new research. Where I would quibble with your statement is that someone has to develop a base first. As you know, I am a swimmer, and I see lots of young guys who get in the pool, thrash like crazy to the far end (25 m) and then have to hang there, limp, huffing and puffing until they can muster the strength to do the same on the way back. They have no base to fall back on and they usually do this routine twice and then quit. I wonder if they are thinking, "There! I've been swimming and I've accomplished something." Because they haven't, not really. They haven't developed the lungs, the muscles, the breathing techniques...... If you are saying it would be better for her to say, walk 10 minutes fast but repeat that over the course of the day 3 or 4 times, I can't see anything "wrong" with that. But, it doesn't develop a base. (what is stort & hard?) :D Pat in TX |
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