I suggest that you get a book or two, Atkins New Diet Revolution and Protein
Power are a couple of the best.  You don't have to follow them to the letter
but they will give you a good understanding of what low carb should be.  It
is hard the way you are doing it because you need more fat.  Fat in
combination with protein is very satisfying, it is also good for you, there
are a number of nutrients you can only get in fat.  Most of us eat dairy,
eggs, a variety of meat and fish including the fat.  Also Google this group
for recipes, you will find a lot of tasty low carb treats that will keep you
from feeling deprived.

In news:1156180058.493595.297110@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com,
lissa <kuulrunnins@gmail.com> stated
thank you all for taking the time to explain this google and crosspost

You'll learn.  We all do.  :o)

Good grief!!!!   What country were these Dr's you see trained in?  No carbs?
Some of he veggies surely had carbs, such as corn, peas, potatoes.  Both
low-carb/low-fat has to be hard to follow.

- I could only do 4 and half months before the

That would have been hard on anyone.  If you can figure out how many
calories a day you need to consume to lose 1 two 2 lbs a week, you can do
better on your own.

I just don't

I eat all meats of all cuts both fatty and lean, mostly lean.  I also 1 eat
Golden Delicious apple a day.  A snack may be a sliced salted cucumber or a
few stalks of celery or some raw mushrooms.  Or leftovers - a cooked
sausage, or chicken leg etc.

Example of dinner:

2 regular size pork chops all visable fat removed.
1/2 cup stringbeans
1/2 cup spinach

(Any low carb veggie.  Occasionally I'll have a small spud, 1/2c peas, corn
or brown rice.)

Lunch:

1/2 cup fat-free cottege cheese w/1 tbsp of sugar free jelly or jam = 90 to
100c. *or*

Sandwich made with fat-free creamcheese and sugar-free jelly on Roman Meal
bread = 100c.

Breakfast: I don't eat breakfast - just coffee with fat-free milk, sweet &
low and Carnation Chocolate Flavoring.

So you see this is low-carb, not no-carb.  :o)

I eat no cake, pies, rolls, whitebread, bagels, cookies, donuts, macaroni
and other empty calorie fattening high-carb-foods.

LW
Re-Start - 7/5/06 - 170lbs
Today - 156.5 lbs
Goal - 130 lbs
Height: 5'6" Age: 61
Don't worry about what people think,
they don't do it very often.
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Hi Lissa,

You WERE taking in carbs with that diet.  Fruits and veggies have carbs
and, in fact, that's where most low-carbers get the majority of their
carbs.

You need to educate yourself on the nutritional info on the foods you
eat.  Reading labels is a good start.  You can also check out
Fitday.com, which is free.  I keep my own spreadsheet and database.  The
USDA Nutritional Database provides most of my basic info on foods (see
http://www.ars.usda.gov/Services/docs.htm?docid=8964).  By keeping track
of everything I eat, I've developed a good sense of carb and calorie
counts for the foods I eat.  I strongly recommend reading one or more of
the books on low-carb, such as Dr. Atkins New Diet Revolution, so that
you have a strong basis for what you're planning to do.  Understanding
WHY you are eating a certain way goes a long way toward staying on track
and being successful.  

I eat all KINDS of stuff, but most of it is relatively fresh.  I go easy
on the fruits, usually limiting them to strawberries, 1/2 apple or
blueberries.  I eat a lot of zucchini and jicama.  I like cheese :-)  I
eat poultry, beef tongue (don't care much for other cuts of beef), pork
ribs, shrimp and fish.  I like Trader Joe's for all kinds of low-carb
stuff (they aren't usually advertised as being specifically low-carb, so
this is where reading labels comes in handy).  I particularly like their
Punjab Spinach Sauce, which I add to stir-fried veggies, cheese and
whatever protein I'm having at the time.  Lately I've been eating a lot
of their Hot & Sour Soup, to which I add tofu or meat/poultry and
whatever veggies I have on hand.  I make a gelatin from unsweetened
Kool-Aid, gelatine and Splenda (I like to add cottage cheese to it,
too).  Wasa Fiber Rye (not the other flavors) slices have only 5 carbs
each.  Lately I've been having some CarbQuik (I get it at Netrition.com)
biscuits that are mostly fiber.  You can even have shiritaki noodles
(usually found at Asian grocery stores), which are also mostly fiber.  I
eat a cereal made of almond or hazelnut meal, flaxseed meal and protein
powder -- it's delicious, VERY nutritious and provides a lot of fiber.  
I usually add either cocoa powder (which is very low-carb -- 1 tsp of
Droste's has only a third of a carb) or maple flavoring (I like the
Frontier brand from Whole Foods).  I like to mix Trader Joe's plain
Mediterranean (Greek) yogurt with apple bits, cinnamon and Splenda --
YUM!  

As I said, the possibilities are endless once you figure out how to
avoid the high-carb stuff.  When I first started low-carb, I went from
thinking of it in terms of what I couldn't have to thinking of it in
terms of what I COULD have.  I've never eaten so well in my LIFE, and
I'm always discovering or coming up with new ways to have food.  
Before low-carb, I ate mostly convenience foods or very basic stuff
prepared with little imagination -- eating low-carb has really expanded
my horizons, foodwise!  

Speaking of convenience foods, I STILL like convenience, so I tend to
make things in big batches that I can eat over the course at least 2
days, if not a week.  

I never lost weight due to low carb; I began it for my health, and
actually *gained* 20 lbs years ago after induction levels bottomed out
my thyroid T3 hormone.  I'm not overweight now (though I'm always
looking to lose 10 lbs, no matter what I weigh).

I low carb for health, not for weight loss.  :-/

Susan

To be completely honest, my calorie intake hovers at 1000 without any
effort. I've been keeping carbs around 20 grams, and it is sheer
coincidence that my calories end as they do.  I expect I have thyroid
issues (I have a sister who had to take radoiactive iodine.) Also, I
used to be extremely active; I'm the poster child for what happens if
you stop moving your body.

x-no-archive: yes

I don't exercise now due to health issues, though I'm not extremely
sedentery, I am at times during the day or week.  I go up and down
stairs an awful lot of times every day.

I do the same thing I do with nuts; count out ten of them and put them away.

That used to happen to me, too.  Wheat, even 2-4 grams, shoots up my
blood sugar way out of proportion to the carbs.  I eat only Ryvita 100%
rye now, and not often.  Otherwise, I eat no starch, period.

Susan