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FRED - 10 Sep 2006 01:02 GMT
I'm just not sure I can do this, but I must do something,
I'm over 350 lb I'm eating for comfort non stop and I don't seem able to
stop, my wife's had major surgery for cancer and is basically incapacitated
its very hard to get control over domestic duties and working 6 days a week,
I'm drinking far too much but it helps me sleep.
sorry I'm just dribbling on I've never been good at writing, but if anyone
has any advice or experience I could use a hand

cheers

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Susan - 10 Sep 2006 01:18 GMT
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> I'm just not sure I can do this, but I must do something,
> I'm over 350 lb I'm eating for comfort non stop and I don't seem able to
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> sorry I'm just dribbling on I've never been good at writing, but if anyone
> has any advice or experience I could use a hand

Fred, it really, really, definitely works, but it's not magic.  You have
to *decide* to do it and stick with it.  Usually, the more obese someone
is, the more low carb succeeds where other diets don't, because it
addresses the underlying cause of most obesity, which is insulin resistance.

Read a book (Protein Power, Atkins, etc.) and work the plan *as written*
at first.  The thing that makes low carb so much more effective than
other plans is the strong appetite suppression.  A lot of very obese
folks report having to remmber to eat enough on Atkins.

Drinking to sleep isn't going to work for you long term, and it's not
good for you in the short term, either.  I've found that I sleep much
better on low carb, and you might, too.

HTH,

Susan
Dusty - 10 Sep 2006 10:14 GMT
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 but if
>> anyone has any advice or experience I could use a hand
>
> <snip>
Low carbing works.

I have really just given myself  3 rules to follow.
I just treat starches, flour and sugar as if they were poison. I've lost
50 lbs since april.

Rule 1. No more than 20 grams of carb per day
Rule 2. Lotta water.

(My third rule is no more than 1000 cal per day, but that really
wouldn't apply to anyone else.  It  just helps keep me from overdoing it
on the protein or the fat.)
Susan - 10 Sep 2006 15:05 GMT
> Low carbing works.

Yup.

> I have really just given myself  3 rules to follow.
> I just treat starches, flour and sugar as if they were poison. I've lost
> 50 lbs since april.

No starches, not ever for me these days, either.

> Rule 1. No more than 20 grams of carb per day
> Rule 2. Lotta water.

I net about 30-40 grams carb per day.

> (My third rule is no more than 1000 cal per day, but that really
> wouldn't apply to anyone else.  It  just helps keep me from overdoing it
> on the protein or the fat.)

1000 calories applies to me as well.

Susan
Cheri - 10 Sep 2006 15:18 GMT
I can't really do 1000 calories, so I'm keeping it at 1200. That seems
to work better for me. :-)

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Cheri

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Susan - 10 Sep 2006 15:18 GMT
> I can't really do 1000 calories, so I'm keeping it at 1200. That seems
> to work better for me. :-)

That's what I eat on my high calorie refeeding days, to keep my
metabolism from cranking down.  :-)

How's it going, anyhoo?

Susan
Cheri - 10 Sep 2006 15:35 GMT
It's going good Susan. I'm sticking with it. :-)

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Susan - 10 Sep 2006 16:23 GMT
> It's going good Susan. I'm sticking with it. :-)

You go, girl!  ;-D

Susan
FRED - 11 Sep 2006 00:36 GMT
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> apply to anyone else.  It  just helps keep me from overdoing it on the
> protein or the fat.)

Do you really have to be that low calorie for it to work?  to be honest
that's not much food
thanks for the help

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Susan - 11 Sep 2006 02:26 GMT
> Do you really have to be that low calorie for it to work?  to be honest
> that's not much food
> thanks for the help

No, YOU don't.  Dusty and I are way outside the norm.

But the *good* news for you is that the thing that makes it possible for
me to limit my calories so much is that low carb works at appetite
control with much less food.

Most folks can eat about double what I eat, more if they're very obese.

Susan
tt - 20 Sep 2006 03:32 GMT
> But the *good* news for you is that the thing that makes it possible for
> me to limit my calories so much is that low carb works at appetite control
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>
> Susan

Hi Susan,

Just wondered how far into the programme did you find the appetite
suppression kicks in?

thanks

tt
Dusty - 11 Sep 2006 02:53 GMT
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>> Do you really have to be that low calorie for it to work?  to be honest
> that's not much food
> thanks for the help

It's enough if you're five feet tall with a tiny frame and sedentary.

Read the books.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1590770021/novelspot-20/102-4337509-24329
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FRED - 11 Sep 2006 04:35 GMT
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>>> Do you really have to be that low calorie for it to work?  to be honest
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> Keep a food diary plus a carb/calorie record of your intake for free on
> http://www.fitday.com

OK, I'm reading the book and I have a fitday account,
thanks for the help

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jackiepatti@gmail.com - 12 Sep 2006 02:47 GMT
> Do you really have to be that low calorie for it to work?  to be honest
> that's not much food
> thanks for the help

No, you don't.  Sometimes at the end of things, when you've only got
maybe 20 more pounds to lose, you have to make a decision between
cutting calories or redefining your goal.  But when you have a lot to
lose, you'll lose lots just sticking to a decent carb limit.

And as an added bonus, since your weight indicates you likely have an
insulin problem, low-carbing will help you forestall and even possibly
prevent becoming frankly diabetic.

This is what will happen... the first week or two on low-carb, you'll
be ravenous.  Because your body is used to the carbs as fuel and has to
switch over to a glucagon-mediated biochemistry, and meanwhile, you're
just starving.  This is what Atkins calls "induction" - it's like a
withdrawal thing.  My advice is to just pigout all you want, as long as
you stick to the carb levels.  If it makes you "feel better" to eat a
half pound of bacon, go for it.  You're not really trying to lose fat
in this phase, just get your body switched over.

Because you'll burn up your glycogen stores and the water it's
dissolved in, you'll lose weight during induction.  Doesn't matter,
really, except it gives you a bit of a psychological boost.  Cause... I
doubt anyone really loses fat on induction, seems to me most people
overeat like crazy while going through it.

When your biochemistry switches over, you'll lose the cravings... and
wind up with a normal appetite.  I think it usually turns out that
people who overeat for "psychological reasons" wind up finding
themselves miraculously cured of their psychological issues once on
low-carb.  ;)

Then you go into the real fat-burning phase of things, at whatever
level of carbs works well for you depending on what plan you're on.
Doesn't usually need to be as low as induction though.

You'll probably lose at least 100 lbs or more before having to even
think about calories.  Low-carb works faster for weight loss the fatter
you are to begin with.  For most people, it doesn't get tough until
towards the end.

When you get to the end, you may have to think about limiting calories
or increasing exercise.  But... by then, you'll feel completly
differently than you do now, so let that future you think about that
and just get the current you started.
Brigid Nelson - 10 Sep 2006 19:31 GMT
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> good for you in the short term, either.  I've found that I sleep much
> better on low carb, and you might, too.

You may also want to look into the supplement 5-HTP, some people find it
helpful for insomnia and anxiety.  It may also be useful if you're using
food for comfort.  Google it.

brigid
Jbuch - 10 Sep 2006 02:15 GMT
> I'm just not sure I can do this, but I must do something,
> I'm over 350 lb I'm eating for comfort non stop and I don't seem able to
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>
> cheers

You have to really want to make it work.

When I quit smoking, it was first taking enough time to actually really
decide that I wanted to quit, and was determined to do what I had to in
order to quit.

When I got to that point, I needed to set the circumstances in which I
would really do it.  I decided that I would take the next "quit smoking
class", which the company had been offering periodically.

Finally, after four months, they scheduled the next (and LAST) "quit
smoking class".

When the ten week class was over, there were only 3 out of 12 who were
non-amokers at that time.  At the end of a year, there was only one
non-smoker out of the class -- ME ! !

That was almost 20 years ago.

You sound like you have a lot going on, besides eating.

One step at a time, stumble once in a while, but pick up and keep on
trying again.  That is perhaps the best advice.  The keep going advice,
I mean.

Real important -- after the real decision and the start --- KEEP GOING.

Jim

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Lá~ká~ Wáná - 10 Sep 2006 02:37 GMT
> I'm just not sure I can do this, but I must do something,
> I'm over 350 lb I'm eating for comfort non stop and I don't seem able to
> stop, my wife's had major surgery for cancer and is basically
> incapacitated its very hard to get control over domestic duties and
> working 6 days a week, I'm drinking far too much but it helps me sleep.

Please try something other than alcohol to help you sleep.  Your Dr. can
prescribe something that wont harm your liver and make you even more obese.

> sorry I'm just dribbling on I've never been good at writing, but if anyone
> has any advice or experience I could use a hand

Low-carbing does work but no diet is "easy."  After losing 50 lbs
low-carbing, I now have to count calories like any other dieter.

LW
Re-Start - 7/5/06 - 170lbs
Today - 153 lbs
Goal - 130 lbs
Height: 5'6" Female. Age: 61
Don't worry about what people think,
they don't do it very often.
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Bill Eitner - 10 Sep 2006 18:52 GMT
> I'm just not sure I can do this, but I must do something,
> I'm over 350 lb I'm eating for comfort non stop and I don't seem able to
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> sorry I'm just dribbling on I've never been good at writing, but if anyone
> has any advice or experience I could use a hand

    Your story sounds something like mine did.

    I was overseeing my elderly fathers affairs
    since he had a serious stroke in 1997.  I
    got up over 400 pounds eating and drinking
    alcoholic beverages.  I'm an electronics
    technician specializing in hobby radio
    (citizens band, amateur radio, short wave
    listening, radio scanners) with a secondary
    emphasis on audio and consumer electronics
    devices.  I started freelancing for a local
    hobby radio shop and working out of my fathers
    house.  The work was physically easy and there
    were many days where I doubt that I even
    approached 1000 steps.  In other words, it
    was the perfect environment for producing a
    raging drunken fat a.s.

    I started becoming concerned about it, but
    not all that seriously.  Over a period of
    a few years I got down to between 380 and
    400, but nothing about me had really
    changed.  I was eating a little less but
    drinking more.  It got to where every single
    day I was putting away 2-3 liters of red wine
    and/or a bottle of brandy.  For me, rock
    bottom came when I found myself using brandy
    as a sleep aid.  Drink half a bottle, sleep
    for 3-4 hours, wake up, drink the other half,
    fall asleep for 3-4 more hours.  Drinking to
    sleep and drinking early in the day are totally
    unacceptable practices to all except those with
    drinking problems.  Deep down I knew that.

    Finally, one day, I decided to look into online
    alcohol and drug programs.  I'm not religious,
    and that keeps me from really believing in 12-
    step programs like AA.  Fortunately, I found
    a couple of good programs online that don't use
    the 12-step model.  One is for those who feel
    that complete abstinence is necessary (RR or
    Rational Recovery), and the other teaches
    moderation (MM or Moderation Management).  I
    chose MM believing that I should try moderating
    first before accepting total abstinence.  It
    worked and I was able to control my drinking.
    That was the first step for me.  I didn't try
    to change my way of eating at the same time.
    And that's my recommendation to you.  Get your
    drinking under control first.  The first thing
    that goes when most people drink more than modestly
    is control over what they eat.

    When you've managed to get good control over your
    drinking, then take the next step and look at
    changing your way of eating.  I did that roughly
    13 months ago.  I started journaling (recording
    what I eat), low carbing, and walking regularly.
    I started right at 400 pounds and am currently
    a bit over 240.  Low carb was a great way to start.
    It took away the physical hunger and food cravings.
    I believe that it also helped suppress cravings
    for alcohol as well as providing for a sense of
    objectivity, well-being, and level-headed behavior.
    In short, in my case, it was something of a minor
    miracle.

    Over the time that I've been dieting I've read every
    diet book I could get my hands on and tried the
    three major ways of eating (low carb, low fat,
    moderate carb).  I discovered that at this stage
    of the game moderate carb ("good carbs good fats")
    works as well for me as low carb did to begin with.
    I'd call that basically the third step in my personal
    journey, and it's where I am now.  I still have some
    more fat to lose and muscle to build back up, but
    I'm basically a different person compared to who
    I was a year and a half ago.

    It will work, really.
--
tunderbar@hotmail.com - 21 Sep 2006 15:02 GMT
> I'm just not sure I can do this, but I must do something,
> I'm over 350 lb I'm eating for comfort non stop and I don't seem able to
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Here is some simple advice. Aim for four to six ounces of meat per full
meal. For a 3/4 inch steak or pork chop, that is about the size of the
palm of your hand or the size of a large deck of cards. The rest of the
meal should be real produce. Carrots, peas, salad, etc.

Eat 5 times a day.

Breakfast, if you are not used to it, get used to it.
Lunch.
Snack - 1 oz of meat, some fresh veggies
supper
snack - around 9:00 or when you feel a bit peckish

Drink water. Avoid coffee and flavoured drinks.

Foods to avoid:

Soda Pop
Bread
Potatoes (for now)
Pasta
Sugar
Cake

You get the idea. No refined carbs. No highly processed junk.

Don't be afraid of fats as long as they are non-hydrogenated. Real
butter, no margarine.
Real lard, no shortening.

Real foods. They are loaded with vitamins and minerals.

You will lose weight and you will feel better almost immediately.

And don't be afraid to eat until you are full. (I don't mean stuffed to
the gills, just satiated) This way of eating will fill you up and you
will not go hungry. That is part of why it works so well.

TC
Dusty - 21 Sep 2006 16:24 GMT
>>I'm just not sure I can do this, but I must do something,
>>I'm over 350 lb I'm eating for comfort

I don't agree with everything here.  I don't agree with avoiding coffee
and flavored drinks--unless they are SHOWN to be responsible for a lack
of weight loss. At 350 lbs, you're likely to lose quite a lot with
minimal sense of deprivation as long as you stay away from carbs:

sugar, starches (including pasta, bread, potatoes, flour, etc) and
sugary drinks.

> Drink water. Avoid coffee and flavoured drinks.
>
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> Sugar
> Cake

You mention peas and carrots. I avoid those--carrots are pretty high in
sugar; and peas are very starchy.

A cup of raw carrots is 11.69 grams of carbs (minus 3.4 fiber)  5.78 of
those grams are sugar.  (12.82-4.3 cooked)

A cup of cooked peas is 22.82 grams (minus 8.8 fiber).  On Atkins,
either of these veggies alone is half a days carbs during induction.
Very bad choices. Not smart.  Better to go with lower glycemic veggies.

(I was about to refer to a site but it has onions on an unlimited list,
so I know that's not correct...

Get an Atkins book and read it. (One by Dr. Atkins)

Count your carbs.  The first couple weeks, limit your carbs to 20 grams.
You will lose a huge amount of water weight as your body releases
glycogen. It helps to keep track of carbs on Fitday.com. (You don't have
to make your diary public!)  You will also have to manually subtract the
fiber grams, since fitday does not do that for you.

Here's a basic list:

More or less unlimted quantities of  Meats, Poultry, Seafood and Eggs,
cheese, butter, fats (aim for healthy ones rather than saturated fats
but they DO help you keep satisfied and feel less deprived. Cheese has
some carb, so do eggs.

salad veggies:
Sprouts, mushrooms, arugula, endive, parsley, bok choy, escarole,
peppers, celery, fennel, chicory, radicchio, radishes, lettuces such as
iceberg, romaine, Boston, Bibb and green leaf, cucumbers, sorrel and chives.

(Just think of little sandwiches you can make of roast beef rolled up in
lettuce leaves, or cream cheese on cucumber slies, and you have a
glimmer of the possibilities here.

Secondary list:  (limited quantities)
artichokes    Eggplant    Tomato           Collard Greens
Celery           Spinach    Leeks    Scallions
Pumpkin           Broccoli    Cabbage           Turnips
Rhubarb           String Beans    Wax Beans    Brussel Sprouts
Bamboo Shoots    Kale           Sauerkraut    Chard
Cauliflower    Kohlrabi    Beet Greens    Zucchini
Summer Squash    Water Chestnuts    Spaghetti Squash
Roger Zoul - 23 Sep 2006 21:44 GMT
Good advice, Dusty.

I will point out one thing: One doesn't even need to worry about sat fats on
20g or less of carbs a day (even after induction on restricted carbs, one
need not worry).  If one feels better limiting sat fats, that's fine,
though.

:: tunderbar@hotmail.com wrote:
::: FRED wrote:
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:: Cauliflower Kohlrabi Beet Greens Zucchini
:: Summer Squash Water Chestnuts Spaghetti Squash
Louie - 22 Sep 2006 13:50 GMT
>I'm just not sure I can do this, but I must do something,
>I'm over 350 lb I'm eating for comfort non stop and I don't seem able to
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>cheers

Hi Fred -

I don't drink much at all since it affects my asthma (I'm diagnosed as
a moderate to severe asthmatic) so there's not I can say about the
drinking part.  Low carbing is something I can address, though.

I'm restarting Atkins tomorrow (Sat 9/23) after being off it for
almost exactly a year.  Originally my weight was around 221 which
dropped to 192.  I ran into a couple of life problems and stopped the
diet at that time.  My weight today is at 202.  I've noticed at least
in my case that there are two parts to losing weight.  The obvious
part is the program itself, the other part is dealing with the sense
of self doubt concerning my ability to focus & follow through to the
goal.  Without any doubt at all, Atkins absolutely works and works
quite well.  So I'm thinking if you can also work out the stress
issues you'll be fine, because isn't that's what's really the
difficulty?

Good luck and let me/us know how you're doing.

Louie

Boston, MA
USA
Hollywood - 24 Sep 2006 19:52 GMT
Hi Louie and Fred,

Louie, Great Post. Lemme take it a bit farther.

Fred,
I would like to share with you, and anyone else on the book, a couple
of the techniques I have developed to maintain focus and goals. I read
a book while doing my masters degree (the interssection of business
strategy, economics, and business psychology) that really changed how I
look at things, called Committment by Professor Pankaj Ghemawat.
(http://tinyurl.com/p5n8q) The book is about business strategy and case
examples that Dr. Ghemawat found in business to support his theory. The
secret of long term success is being fully commited to your goals while
remaining flexible enough to redefine them as you go along.

So, without going too deep into Dr. Ghemawat's book (because it's a
business book, not about people, really), the central thing is you have
to decide what you want. Then you have to decide how to get there. That
will entail some things that you will focus on and some things that you
won't do at all. In adopting Low Carb, you have some idea about your
goals. It may be as vague as I would like to lose some weight. You have
some idea of the strategy (Atkins, Protein Power, whatever). You may
know a little bit of what that entails doing (eat more fat and protein)
and what it entails doing without (sugar, starch, bread, pasta, corn,
etc).

In line with Ghemawat, I think the keys are like this:
1- Firm up your goals. Decide exactly what they are, how you are going
to measure progress, why you want them. I have a list of ten reasons
why I am doing LC. They range from better clothes and looking better to
dodging diabetes and lowering my cholesterol. It's important to know
the why as much as the what. My goals are a range of weight numbers, a
range of measurement numbers, a ceiling body fat % #, and target total,
LDL, HDL and Triglyceride ranges. The measurement of progress on those
are pretty easy.

2- Make the commitment to your strategy. If this is your first go with
LC, buy one of the books (Atkins, Protein Power Life Plan, whatever)
and really work the plan. You might get a few out of the library and
compare and contrast, but at their core, they are not terribly
different. But make sure that you know what you are getting into, that
you know why you are getting into it and that you can actually work the
program. That probably means adding exercise. It also probably means
cutting some of the alcohol. The benefits from the future have to be
worth what you are commiting to. That's how it works in corporate
america and that's how it needs to work for you.

3- Be extremely clear on the things you are going to do and aren't. For
an example with this, I currently work at a company that has a lot of
overweight people around. I am going to be clear with my peer group
about the commitment to eliminate sugar and starch from my diet (a
public commitment is helpful to maintaining your motivation... really).
I am NOT going to get evangelical about the diet. I feel that LC is the
best way to lose weight and be healthy, but I am not going to approach
people. I will let my results speak for themselves and if anyone is
curious, I will tell them how I have done it. Some other things I am
doing: walking the halls of the building on my breaks (a full lap of
the building is 1/2 mile), taking the stairs instead of the elevator
and logging my stairs climbed. Trying new LC foods and working to
incorporate them into my diet (I have a LOT of trouble with this and
probably need cognitive behavioral therapy to fix it, but my HMO is an
HMO, so I need to have some good conversations to get it). Some stuff
I'm not doing: eating with my peer more than once a week (they eat all
kinds of junk which is getting easier to watch with each week), going
to meetings that I don't have to (frequently they will turn into cake
or cookie fests, or a pizza ordering thing... also easier with passing
time, but still, trouble lurks there).

4- Maintain your vigil. I fully believe that carbohydrates,
particularly cereal grains and sugar, are addictive. I also fully
believe that the first bit of bad carb that I get could be the ramp up
back to a full on addiction. If I maintain the rest and stay focused on
my goals, it's beatable, but I have eaten absurd amounts of carbs for
pretty much my entire life, save about 9 months over the last few years
when I haven't been eating them. To paraphrase Chicago, "That's a hard
habit to break."

I hope that you pick and plan and have all the success you could want
from it. If you create some level of commitment, I am sure it will
REALLY work. And I mean it will work a lot.

-Hollywood. optimistic realist.

> >I'm just not sure I can do this, but I must do something,
> >I'm over 350 lb I'm eating for comfort non stop and I don't seem able to
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> Boston, MA
> USA
 
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