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Weight Loss Forum / Low Carb / November 2006eat carbs and lose weight
I was at the library and saw a new book on the shelf with a title something like "Eat Carbs and Lose Weight". Curious, I opened the book and skimmed a few of the recipes. I swear they must've stolen the recipes from Atkins. No sugar to be seen, no pasta, no white bread. The carbs they were talking about were vegetables and fruit. Talk about a fraudulent way to sell books. A low carb diet trying to pawn itself off as not a low carb diet by playing semantics with the title. TC "I was at the library and saw a new book on the shelf with a title something like "Eat Carbs and Lose Weight". Curious, I opened the book and skimmed a few of the recipes. I swear they must've stolen the recipes from Atkins. No sugar to be seen, no pasta, no white bread. The carbs they were talking about were vegetables and fruit. Talk about a fraudulent way to sell books. A low carb diet trying to pawn itself off as not a low carb diet by playing semantics with the title." It brings to mind the early marketing Atkins did. We were told to forget calories and eat to satisfaction, in fact we were to eat all those previously forbidden foods of butter and bacon and creme and red and other high fat meats. It was eat what you really want as much as you want and lose weight in the process. If you asked someone in the early days this is what you got as to the attraction of the diet plan. > "I was at the library and saw a new book on the shelf with a title > something like "Eat Carbs and Lose Weight". Curious, I opened the book [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > you want and lose weight in the process. If you asked someone in the > early days this is what you got as to the attraction of the diet plan. What I think it is is the old adage about the acceptance of new ideas. Four stages of acceptance: i) this is worthless nonsense; ii) this is an interesting, but perverse, point of view; iii) this is true, but quite unimportant; iv) I always said so. TC > "I was at the library and saw a new book on the shelf with a title > something like "Eat Carbs and Lose Weight". Curious, I opened the book [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > you want and lose weight in the process. If you asked someone in the > early days this is what you got as to the attraction of the diet plan. You are correct. When I first experienced Atkins back in 1973 or thereabouts I did exactly that, I enjoyed all of those yummy fat things. That feature is what drew me to Atkins in the first place! I also lost a bunch of weight. Rather quickly.... Through the years I have probably lost from 500 to a thousand pounds on low carb as I go up and down but it gets harder all of the time. My body isn't as easy to confuse anymore I guess. Also, the copious amount of drugs I take presents it's own challenge. However nothing works for me except this WOE and I give thanks for it. I would probably be as large as this room without it. George > You are correct. When I first experienced Atkins back in 1973 or > thereabouts I did exactly that, I enjoyed all of those yummy fat things. > That feature is what drew me to Atkins in the first place! I also lost > a bunch of weight. Rather quickly.... > Through the years I have probably lost from 500 to a thousand pounds on > low carb as I go up and down but it gets harder all of the time. What are your reasons for going off the plan? There are many people that make claims of how good and tasty low carb food is, yet can not stay on the plan for life. Wouldn't it be better to stay on the WOE for life, and not to yo-yo so many times? > My > body isn't as easy to confuse anymore I guess. Also, the copious amount > of drugs I take presents it's own challenge. Yet if you stuck with the plan, you may be able to eliminate some of those meds. > However nothing works for me except this WOE and I give thanks for it. > I would probably be as large as this room without it. > George There has been some discussions on this group about some people only dieting until their pain goes away, and then going back to eating the way they did before. Also, some people not wanting to give up their favorite foods from before they started dieting. Do you view low carb, (or any other diet), as just a temporary restriction, and then decide that once you've lost enough weight, dieting is no longer needed? >>You are correct. When I first experienced Atkins back in 1973 or >>thereabouts I did exactly that, I enjoyed all of those yummy fat things. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > make claims of how good and tasty low carb food is, yet can not stay on the > plan for life. Hi Tom, I rarely submit anything to this NG anymore for this reason. I don't recall making any statement as to the tastiness of lo carb, however I do find most lo carb food pleasing as well as many high carb foods. Wouldn't it be better to stay on the WOE for life, and not to > yo-yo so many times? Life? Whose life? Do the math. I've been doing this for over thirty years! How long have you been on lo carb? >>My >>body isn't as easy to confuse anymore I guess. Also, the copious amount >>of drugs I take presents it's own challenge. > > Yet if you stuck with the plan, you may be able to eliminate some of > those meds. Granted, this WOE is helpful and even recomended by some of my health care pros but it won't replace pain killers, steroids, anti-rejection meds and chemo. >>However nothing works for me except this WOE and I give thanks for it. >> I would probably be as large as this room without it. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > restriction, and then decide that once you've lost enough weight, dieting is > no longer needed? I view the problem as a personal one. Some have drug problems while others have alcohol problems. Some have eating problems. I have parent problems in as much as mine gave me fat genes. It isn't about the food because some people can eat all of those sinful carbs and be slim and healthy. We are all different, isn't that great? Although growing older has brought many difficulties, I am thankful that it has taught me to be more considerate of others. I wish you good fortune and good health and happiness! George > Although growing older has brought many difficulties, I am thankful that > it has taught me to be more considerate of others. I guess I've made you upset. Sorry. > I wish you good fortune and good health and happiness! > > George > I rarely submit anything to this NG anymore for this reason. That's too bad, as you have a lot of experience behind you, George. It is good to see you here when you drop in. I kind of do that too, but more due to time constraints. > however I do find most lo carb food pleasing as well as many high carb > foods. Heh... yeah, that's sometimes a problem for me too. I never lost the taste for high starch/sugar foods, although I love low-carb fare as well. > Granted, this WOE is helpful and even recomended by some of my health > care pros but it won't replace pain killers, steroids, anti-rejection meds > and chemo. I have been getting too much carbohydrate lately... especially sampling my own cooking for Thanksgiving... and I notice my arthritis suddenly got a lot worse, as did my allergies. LC does seem to be good for my health, but no... you're right, it won't cure everything, and won't replace all those meds. > I view the problem as a personal one. Some have drug problems while others > have alcohol problems. Some have eating problems. I have parent problems > in as much as mine gave me fat genes. It isn't about the food because some > people can eat all of those sinful carbs and be slim and healthy. We are > all different, isn't that great? It does seem to be significantly harder for some of us than for others, doesn't it? And there is definitely a genetic, biochemical basis to it sometimes. I guress I should be glad I have never had a problem with alcohol or drugs, and was able to quit smoking for good many years ago. But food has always been a weak point. I've not been able to get my weight down as low as I'd like it, but like you, I think without LC I'd be seriously obese. Wishing you the best, George. HG >>I rarely submit anything to this NG anymore for this reason. > [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > HG Thank you Hanna for the kind words. I too am convinced that this WOE is best but those carbs seem to sneak up on me! Have a great holiday season..... George > > You are correct. When I first experienced Atkins back in 1973 or > > thereabouts I did exactly that, I enjoyed all of those yummy fat things. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > plan for life. Wouldn't it be better to stay on the WOE for life, and not to > yo-yo so many times? Of course it's best to stay on plan, but life is life and our bodies never *ever* stop wanting the wrong foods. After a few years of "easy to stay on" the temptation grows to think it equals "hard to fall off" and with maintenance phases so generous the slippery slope is there every day every day forever. Worse, low carbing is so easy it's hard to keep vigilance several years in. And thus so many have problems with maintenance. Our bodies turn the cravings on at a bite of sweets or whatever. A year after the first bad bite I end up off plan without ever having a reason other than decayed vigilance. The best I've ever managed is a firm belief that eating per my maintenance phase is eatin right so if I'm off plan then getting back on plan is the right thing to do. > > My body isn't as easy to confuse anymore I guess. The lower you stay on the carb quota the more the body tends to adjust to it. The higher I stay on the maintenace quote the more slippery the slope. It's as much mind as body. > > Also, the copious amount > > of drugs I take presents it's own challenge. I'm lucky for meds. A couple of pills and I'm covered. > Yet if you stuck with the plan, you may be able to eliminate some of > those meds. A lot easier to say when you're in your first few years and it's still true. But even on low carb diseases happen. They just happen less often. If an apple a day keeps the doctor away, then a garlic sauteed brocolli a day should keep every medical everything away until you're 120. Sigh, if only it were true. I may get sicka *lot* less than when I was a carb eater but I'm not immune to age. > > However nothing works for me except this WOE and I give thanks for it. > > I would probably be as large as this room without it. > > There has been some discussions on this group about some people only > dieting until their pain goes away, and then going back to eating the way > they did before. Which isn't the case for George. Is it true for me? 7 years in and struggling to keep off loss, sorta true sorta false. > Also, some people not wanting to give up their favorite > foods from before they started dieting. Fortunately not a problem in my case. I discovered that wheat caused a long series of symptoms, mentally called it poison, and have avoided it ever since. Or then again unfortunately it is a problem in my case. The temptation of non-wheat high carb foods never lets up. It fell to its lowest about two years into the plan but the presence of substitutes in stores ended up a slippery slope. So I struggle with maitenance because doing it right is too easy. Wierd. > Do you view low carb, (or any other diet), as just a temporary > restriction, and then decide that once you've lost enough weight, dieting is > no longer needed? I don't. If I viewed low carb as a strict system i'd do much better but my maintenace quota gives me so much room that it equals so much rope to hang myself. Ah, those first two years ... |
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