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Weight Loss Forum / Low Carb / March 2004an interesting experience with pizza...
.i've been doing low-carb (semi-atkins) for about 3 months .i never did real induction, just started off at about 30 g carbs per day, sometimes a little more .so far i've lost 20 pounds .got about 50-60 more to go .no problem... i love eating this way... especially since Breyer's Carb Smart ice cream appeared .one of the things i missed the most was pizza .i used to live on DiGorno's frozen rising crust spicy chicken pizzas .i decided to take some starch blocker and treat myself to a little pizza (it's the first time since i've started that i've eaten a high-carb item) .within 5 minutes of finishing the single serving pizza i found myself getting VERY drowsy .it wouldn't be far off to say that i passed out .i took a 1-hour "nap" .i never sleep after eating .i felt slow and drugged for a couple of hours afterward .i was ok the next morning .i may repeat this experiment in a month or so because this time i was caught unaaware... it sneaked up on me .next time i'm going to be paying very close attention to my reactions ?has anyone else had a similar experience heron  SignatureunDO email address ___ Nature, heron stone to be commanded, mailto:heronstoneDO@comcast.net must be obeyed. http://home.comcast.net/~heronstone/ > ?has anyone else had a similar experience No, but I never risk eating pizza crust. I scrape all the topping off a couple of slices, and eat that (dumping the crust down the disposal immediately). The topping's super yummy and much lower carb than eating the whole slice! Try it sometime. (Best when you get several different toppings on one pizza.) - Anne It's also great to take the toppings off and roll them inside a low carb tortilla for a pizza burrito. Scott > > ?has anyone else had a similar experience > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > - Anne I've tried the whole pizza experience, it doesn't live up to my memories, except maybe Pizza Factory but we have ordered that one time since Jan (last week) -- Peace, Lori 220/143/135 LC since 1/17/03 My Closure of the year 2003 Challenge goal: 145/140 http://community.webshots.com/user/lorismiller-date I've noticed that now that I've been on LC, I don't need that much sleep to get along in life. In the morning, I wake up just alive. When I look at the clock, I'm amazed how early it is. Those extra hours and energy really come in handy. .....and NO afternoon "naps" either! > .i decided to take some starch blocker and treat myself to > a little pizza (it's the first time since i've started [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > heron I've never had this experience but I would not discount the starch blocker. People react strangely to some substance and one never knows. It sounds too scary to repeat, IMHO. >.i decided to take some starch blocker and treat myself to > a little pizza (it's the first time since i've started [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >.i was ok the next morning This sounds to me like the carbs caused a big release of insulin, which in turn caused your blood sugar to go far too low and stay low for quite a while. If you have access to a way to measure your blood glucose levels (i.e. a glucometer), repeat the process and test to get some solid numbers. Since blood sugar levels tend to change quickly, you might try testing every 15 minutes after a meal for 2-3 hours to try to get close to the real high and low numbers. I've never heard of Starch Blockers having any real effect on this process. They are made from a protein derived from a type of bean, and protein gets digested in the stomach - so it never gets to the intestines where it would theoretically do its work preventing absorption of carbs. That is why they say "They work in a test tube but not in the body". *snip* > .within 5 minutes of finishing the single serving pizza > i found myself getting VERY drowsy [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > .i felt slow and drugged for a couple of hours afterward it sounds to me like exactly the same reaction i get when eating high-carb foods... knocks me right out, gives me stomachaches, sometimes even headaches. i would guess that the starch/carb-blocker thing you took didn't do anything. the first time i saw them advertised i laughed myself right off the couch. jen red meat isn't bad for you... fuzzy blue-green meat is bad for you That 'forced nap' response is one of the reasons why I avoid carbs. The other is weight gain. jo > .i've been doing low-carb (semi-atkins) for about 3 months > .i never did real induction, just started off at about 30 g [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > heron Why do this for another month and put yourself thru that? Also, you might want to think that another month of doing that may ruin all your hard work to drop those 20 lbs. and instead you may gain it all back. Then think how you will feel. Why go to sleep when you don't want to for another month when you can just give up the addiction and feel better? I know it is hard but you should just give it up. lowcarb_newbie 352/352/185 > That 'forced nap' response is one of the reasons why I avoid carbs. The > other is weight gain. [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > > to be commanded, mailto:heronstoneDO@comcast.net > > must be obeyed. http://home.comcast.net/~heronstone/ I love pizza but I don't eat it very often. My diet is a TKD diet (targeted ketogenic diet), which means that I eat extra carbs before and after major workouts (things like trail runs of over 100 mins or bike rides of 2 to 4 hours). This works great for me because I have the energy I need for high intensity efforts, and also I can eat some of my favorite carb foods at a time when my body really wants them. After an intense trail run of 2 hours I can readily absorb 2 or 3 pieces of pizza with no side effects - but if I eat pizza at other times it knocks me out and I even feel groggy the next morning - like a carb hangover. This just shows that carbs are not only a high energy food source, but also effectively a potent drug. No wonder people are so addicted. heron stone wrote in message ... >.i've been doing low-carb (semi-atkins) for about 3 months >.i never did real induction, just started off at about 30 g [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > to be commanded, mailto:heronstoneDO@comcast.net > must be obeyed. http://home.comcast.net/~heronstone/ > I love pizza but I don't eat it very often. My diet is a TKD diet (targeted > ketogenic diet), which means that I eat extra carbs before and after major [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > high energy food source, but also effectively a potent drug. No wonder > people are so addicted. I think the effective definition of a drug is something that will kill you if you take too much of it. And addiction? That's having an escalating craving for something to the point of nearly driving someone mad. How about let's ratchet down the claims a bit? Even when people talk about having a chocolate "addiction" it's not likely that going without chocolate will drive them to rob a bank to pay for their supply. Pat in TX > I think the effective definition of a drug is something that will kill > you if you take too much of it. Don't think so. There are prescription-only drugs that don't kill you if you overdose on them. Some antidepressants, for instance. And addiction? That's having an > escalating craving for something to the point of nearly driving > someone mad. The clinical definition of addiction has to do more with physiology (e.g., tolerance, withdrawal) than it does with Reefer Madness. How about let's ratchet down the claims a bit? Even > when people talk about having a chocolate "addiction" it's not likely > that going without chocolate will drive them to rob a bank to pay for > their supply. While I don't agree with your criteria, I agree that it's not possible to be addicted to chocolate. At least--not that any study has found *so far.* <g> Cate Do you agree with the OP's contention that carbohydrates are "a potent drug" that people become "addicted" to? I think that's nonsense. Pat in TX "Pat" <me@privacy.net> wrote in news:c3dcve$26c9bi$1@ID-194653.news.uni- berlin.de: > Do you agree with the OP's contention that carbohydrates are "a potent > drug" that people become "addicted" to? I think it's entirely reasonable to assert that for some people, eating simple carbs leads to the compulsion to eat more carbs--not only psychologically, but physiologically. Simple carbs can also cause withdrawal--e.g., a post-sugar crash. I myself wouldn't call simple carbs drugs but I'm open to convincing that one could develop an addiction to simple carbs. Cate > > Do you agree with the OP's contention that carbohydrates are "a potent > > drug" that people become "addicted" to? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Cate Well, then, how do you explain all of us on the Atkins diet just giving them up 'cold turkey' for two weeks and then coming to testify that once we had finished the Induction period items with sugar in them seem too sweet--and even repellant? It must not be much of an "addiction" if it is so easily broken. Psychologically, maybe, but I am not convinced of the physiological addictive characterization. Pat in TX > > > Do you agree with the OP's contention that carbohydrates are "a > > > potent [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Pat in TX I think it depends on the individual's insulin response, amongst other things. I think perhaps, that for someone who is not diabetic nor insulin resistant, the abstinance from simple carbs is the breaking of a habit, but for someone insulin resistant/hyper-insulinemic/diabetic, it's the breaking of a cycle. SignatureNancy Howells (don't forget to switch it, and replace the ;) to send mail). Pat wrote: > Cate wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > it is so easily broken. Psychologically, maybe, but I am not convinced > of the physiological addictive characterization. Because of falling off the wagon. A two week detox program may be enough, once. But many who eat sugar the next time head quickly into a binge and they have to detox all over again. That's a classic addictive behavior pattern no matter that the detox phase is less intense than injected drugs. I'm lucky from a straight carbs and glycemic index and insulin rush account. But I still have addiction problems from the other half of the Atkins plan. Trigger foods. I have problems with wheat, corn and some other foods. If I eat those I have a severe danger of falling off the wagon and needing to detox again. > Well, then, how do you explain all of us on the Atkins diet just > giving them up 'cold turkey' for two weeks and then coming to testify > that once we had finished the Induction period items with sugar in > them seem too sweet--and even repellant? It's not 'all of us' that respond that way. Metabolism, food cravings, insulin issues, and addiction are all individualized processes. What you crave and why probably isn't the same as what I experience. After a month of doing LC, I still want sweet things. I just don't want them as much as I want to lose weight. It must not be much of an > "addiction" if it is so easily broken. Congratulations on finding it so easy. That's an accomplishment to revel in. Cate >Cate notreally.orson14850@yahoo.com writes: >> Well, then, how do you explain all of us on the Atkins diet just >> giving them up 'cold turkey' for two weeks and then coming to testify [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >of doing LC, I still want sweet things. I just don't want them as much as I >want to lose weight. I can't tell if I still want sweet things or not. I look at them in the store and feel sort of wistful, but I don't feel the physical cravings. I remember liking them a lot, but I don't feel drawn to them. It's almost as though I now have a disembodied sweet tooth. Or disembodied taste buds. Still there, but not entirely there. It's really weird -- and hard to explain, obviously. Daria 166/148/140 sugar-free since 2/1/04 low-carb since 2/17/04 > It's almost as though I now > have a disembodied sweet tooth. Or disembodied taste buds. Still > there, but not entirely there. It's really weird -- and hard to > explain, obviously. Actually I think 'disembodied' is an apt way to describe what I'm feeling as well. I see the Reese's, the ice cream, the French bread--and I just don't picture myself buying it or eating it anymore, although I long for the taste of it in my mouth. But the compulsion to have the stuff in my mouth and sliding down my throat has somehow lessened. Cate >Do you agree with the OP's contention that carbohydrates are "a potent >drug" that people become "addicted" to? I think that's nonsense. Hi Pat, It sounds likely that the OP has been involved with Overeaters Anonymous. That's what they preach. Carol Signature227/220.5/150 Atkins since March 12, 2004 Type 2 Diabetic since May 15, 2001 This is what backsliding does: http://photos.yahoo.com/carol_arie > >Do you agree with the OP's contention that carbohydrates are "a potent > >drug" that people become "addicted" to? I think that's nonsense. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Carol Oh. It sounded like it was going to the "it's not my fault that I'm fat--I had no choice!' argument that I get so weary of hearing. I got this way one spoonful at a time. I can't even blame the caffeine because I went off of that in 1991--cold turkey. Such a headache I had! But after several hours, it was gone, never to plague me again. But carbohydrates? Food as an addiction? Bah humbug! Pat in TX >Oh. It sounded like it was going to the "it's not my fault that I'm fat--I >had no choice!' argument that I get so weary of hearing. I got this way one [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Pat in TX I disagree. I think I'm am psychologically and physiologically addicted to sugar. When I eat something with too many carbs or too sweet, it sets up an intense craving. Even after low carbing for a year. I actually feel like I'm jonesing for sugar. But even though I feel I am addicted to sugar, I still claim full responsibility for my eating habits. Yvonne >I disagree. I think I'm am psychologically and physiologically addicted to >sugar. When I eat something with too many carbs or too sweet, it sets up an >intense craving. Even after low carbing for a year. I actually feel like I'm >jonesing for sugar. I use to believe I had psychological problems with sugar/food. If anything, Atkins has shown me that I was physiologically addicted. And yes, I'll say addicted. My PCOS and insulin resistance took my body over the edge with cravings every time I ate even moderate amounts of carbs. When my body betrays me like that over a substance, I'll call it an addiction. Obviously it wasn't beyond my control, since once I had the proper tools (information that is) I could not only slam the brakes on it, but throw in back in to reverse. LCing since 12/01/03- Me- 5'7" 265/220/140 & hubby- 6' 310/239/180 Cate burbled across the ether: > The clinical definition of addiction has to do more with physiology > (e.g., tolerance, withdrawal) than it does with Reefer Madness. Digressing for a moment: have you seen that bizzare propoganda piece? It is so surreal that you wonder how any person ever believed it even for a second. I wonder if the folks who were involved in making it are ashamed of themselves. Signaturerevek www.geocities.com/tanirevek/LowCarb.html lowcarbing since June 2002 5'2" 41 F 165+/too much/size seven petite please Define the Universe and give three examples. - Anonymous "revek" <pphillps1962@hotmail.com> wrote in news:c3diah$25li5n$1@ID- 190183.news.uni-berlin.de: > Digressing for a moment: have you seen that bizzare propoganda piece? No, I haven't, but it came to mind so readily because I just read in the New Yorker that it's being remade. Very tongue-in-cheek this time. Cate It's best viewed when high. <G> In news:c3diah$25li5n$1@ID-190183.news.uni-berlin.de, revek <pphillps1962@hotmail.com> stated | Digressing for a moment: have you seen that bizzare propoganda piece? | It is so surreal that you wonder how any person ever believed it even [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] | please | Define the Universe and give three examples. - Anonymous |
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