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catskills@monmouth.com - 21 Dec 2006 21:48 GMT
Hi, doing great on low carb but my sister needs a kidney transplant.  I
am willing to give up one kidney but I am scared.  IF I am a good
match, can I live fine the rest of my life with one kidney?  Will I
have to stop low carb due to one kidney and protien?  I am so confused
but need to save her life.   I guess my question is can I live with
only one kidney for another 40 to 50 years?   Well this was a big
shock.   Sorry but you people are so smart figured I would ask.  I will
of couse ask all the surgeons these questions this is only the first
stages.  Marilyn
jcderkoeing - 21 Dec 2006 22:56 GMT
Are you a troll, or really just that stupid?

> Hi, doing great on low carb but my sister needs a kidney transplant.  I
> am willing to give up one kidney but I am scared.  IF I am a good
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> of couse ask all the surgeons these questions this is only the first
> stages.  Marilyn
Susan - 21 Dec 2006 23:00 GMT
> Hi, doing great on low carb but my sister needs a kidney transplant.  I
> am willing to give up one kidney but I am scared.  IF I am a good
> match, can I live fine the rest of my life with one kidney?  Will I
> have to stop low carb due to one kidney and protien?  I am so confused
> but need to save her life.   I guess my question is can I live with
> only one kidney for another 40 to 50 years?

Yes, you can, if it's a healthy kidney.  Healthy kidneys are not damaged
by protein or low carb, they're damaged by glucose, that's why diabetics
have so much kidney damage.  I, and other diabetics have reversed early
kidney damage by switching *to* low carb.

   Well this was a big
> shock.   Sorry but you people are so smart figured I would ask.  I will
> of couse ask all the surgeons these questions this is only the first
> stages.  Marilyn

Good luck.

Susan
catskills@monmouth.com - 22 Dec 2006 00:27 GMT
first off no way am I a troll I am and have been to this group quite a
bit. I just have a big decision and I really am scared.  I dont really
want to donate but its my sister, and should a family member help?  I
need to speak to some medical transplate specialists. I dont want to
hurt my health.  Thanks
> x-no-archive: yes
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> Susan
catskills@monmouth.com - 22 Dec 2006 00:27 GMT
first off no way am I a troll I am and have been to this group quite a
bit. I just have a big decision and I really am scared.  I dont really
want to donate but its my sister, and should a family member help?  I
need to speak to some medical transplate specialists. I dont want to
hurt my health.  Thanks
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>
> Susan
jcderkoeing - 22 Dec 2006 01:40 GMT
Every post you've made here points to you either being a troll, or being
very, very stupid.

Perhaps both.

> first off no way am I a troll I am and have been to this group quite a
> bit. I just have a big decision and I really am scared.  I dont really
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>> Susan
catskills@monmouth.com - 22 Dec 2006 10:33 GMT
why do you say that my sister is dying, she needs a kidney and I
thought I would throw a question out to some of the more intelligent
people here.  I really dont give a f.ck what you think, you are a
selfish  , uncompassionate person who cares little or nothing of others
you dont even bother me anymore , I feel sorry for you thats it.
> Every post you've made here points to you either being a troll, or being
> very, very stupid.
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> >>
> >> Susan
catskills@monmouth.com - 22 Dec 2006 10:37 GMT
Also a.shole I would be what is called a LIVING DONOR, that means I
have saved a life, can you say that about your selfish ways or
yourself?    You are such a a.shole you would not bat an eye to help a
sibling in this situation !!!
> why do you say that my sister is dying, she needs a kidney and I
> thought I would throw a question out to some of the more intelligent
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> > >>
> > >> Susan
Pat - 23 Dec 2006 15:26 GMT
I cannot imagine to whom you are posting UNLESS it is the idiot that most of
us here have killfiled. Do it! Killfile the idiot! He will only make you
mad. Do not listen to the posting of a sick, irrational man.

Pat in TX
Susan - 23 Dec 2006 16:11 GMT
> I cannot imagine to whom you are posting UNLESS it is the idiot that most of
> us here have killfiled. Do it! Killfile the idiot! He will only make you
> mad. Do not listen to the posting of a sick, irrational man.
>
> Pat in TX

Uh, Pat?  You may have wandered into the wrong thread.

Susan
Saffire - 23 Dec 2006 21:23 GMT
> x-no-archive: yes
>
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>
> Uh, Pat?  You may have wandered into the wrong thread.

Not if she's telling catskills to killfile JC.  That's sound advice in
response to ANY post here.

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Pat - 24 Dec 2006 01:51 GMT
>> > I cannot imagine to whom you are posting UNLESS it is the idiot that
>> > most of
>> > us here have killfiled. Do it! Killfile the idiot! He will only make
>> > you
>> > mad. Do not listen to the posting of a sick, irrational man.

>> Uh, Pat?  You may have wandered into the wrong thread.

> Not if she's telling catskills to killfile JC.  That's sound advice in
> response to ANY post here.
> Saffire

Like this one?   jcderkoeing wrote:
> Every post you've made here points to you either being a troll, or being
> very, very stupid.
> Perhaps both.

Just what a scared, caring person needs to hear, right? Killfile the idiot!

Pat in TX
Susan - 24 Dec 2006 02:28 GMT
>>>>I cannot imagine to whom you are posting UNLESS it is the idiot that
>>>>most of
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>
> Pat in TX

Oh.  LOL.  I had.  I saw no references to him or posts by him in that
thread.

Susan
jcderkoeing - 22 Dec 2006 13:53 GMT
Who turns on your computer for you, and helps you gain access to the
Internet?  Are you in one of those assisted living places?

> why do you say that my sister is dying, she needs a kidney and I
> thought I would throw a question out to some of the more intelligent
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>> >>
>> >> Susan
PB - 22 Dec 2006 11:59 GMT
Marilyn,
I don't know that anyone here can successfully or even reliably answer your
question. There is no research that I can find to guide me in an answer.
Probably because nobody has done any.
You can talk to the Drs but chances are they will give you the same mumbo
jumbo that most of us in the medical community have been taught for years.
At least as far as the low carb issue goes.

I think this is just one you are going to have to follow your heart about.
The question you need to ask yourself is
Do I want to risk it? No matter what the consequences might be do I want to
risk it? There in lies your answer. Because even if you were not low
carbing..... there is nothing to say down the road you won't develop kidney
problems from some other source. This is something all live donors have to
deal with during thier decision making process.
Pat
> Hi, doing great on low carb but my sister needs a kidney transplant.  I
> am willing to give up one kidney but I am scared.  IF I am a good
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> of couse ask all the surgeons these questions this is only the first
> stages.  Marilyn
catskills@monmouth.com - 22 Dec 2006 13:21 GMT
well thats a good point, but I did happen to learn something.  When
people get kidney failure, or poor kidney function lets say its never
in one kidney, its both that get failure, so lets assume that I say no,
find a donor on the list and wait 4 - 5years, and I get kidney failure
this will happen to both kidneys not just one.  So thats interesting.
I thank you, Umm the interesting thing is my sister got kidney problems
from type 2 diabetes!!  So I am still not going back to a low protien
diet no matter what I do!!! Thanks PB
> Marilyn,
> I don't know that anyone here can successfully or even reliably answer your
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> > of couse ask all the surgeons these questions this is only the first
> > stages.  Marilyn
Susan - 22 Dec 2006 13:51 GMT
> well thats a good point, but I did happen to learn something.  When
> people get kidney failure, or poor kidney function lets say its never
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> from type 2 diabetes!!  So I am still not going back to a low protien
> diet no matter what I do!!! Thanks PB

I hate to throw a wrench into things for you and her, but if she
continues to follow the ADA recommended diet for her DM type 2, the new
kidney is just as likely to become damaged.  Protein won't damage a
healthy kidney, glucose will.

Susan
Roger Zoul - 22 Dec 2006 17:41 GMT
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:: become damaged.  Protein won't damage a healthy kidney,
:: glucose will.

While we know nothing of the sister with T2DM, surely one can see how
uncontrolled BG levels (as likely the result of a half-hearted ADA diet and
partly due to patient neglect) leads to family members being put into this
position. It's terrible.  I feel for Marilyn.
Ophelia - 22 Dec 2006 17:29 GMT
I don't know if it helps, but I lost a kidney serveral years ago.  I am
healthy and following a very low carb diet and I feel better than I have for
a long time.
Saffire - 22 Dec 2006 20:40 GMT
> well thats a good point, but I did happen to learn something.  When
> people get kidney failure, or poor kidney function lets say its never
> in one kidney, its both that get failure, so lets assume that I say no,
> find a donor on the list and wait 4 - 5years, and I get kidney failure
> this will happen to both kidneys not just one.  

It probably depends on what is causing the failure.  My mom (73) just
told me that one of her kidneys has scarring from a clot that she had
about 6 years ago, and that it's not functioning normally.  I don't know
if that means BOTH are not functioning normally, though.  I know that
one of them is about 1/3 smaller than the other one.  

> So thats interesting.
> I thank you, Umm the interesting thing is my sister got kidney problems
> from type 2 diabetes!!  So I am still not going back to a low protien
> diet no matter what I do!!! Thanks PB

As far as low-carbing goes, we've had a poster here, Aramanth Dawe, who
has had a kidney problems due to pre-eclampsia damage during her
pregnancies.  She has been low-carbing for 8 years and it seemed to HELP
her situation (see http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diet.low-
carb/msg/ba5a13fb4e48f532 as an example).  

I think the low-carbing aspect of it is a non-issue.  The real issue is
whether or not you are willing to take a leap of faith that your
remaining kidney won't fail at some point down the road.  Unfortunately,
that's the bottom line you'll have to grapple with if no other option is
available for your sister.  It's a horrible position to be in for both
of you :-(

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