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"Corn Sweetener" on label

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runderwo@mail.win.org - 25 Jan 2007 17:29 GMT
Is it required by some regulation that HFCS be labeled precisely as
"high fructose corn syrup" or are there some weasel phrases that
manufacturers are allowed to use to disguise its presence?  One suspect
phrase is "corn sweetener".  I have seen "corn sweetener" on several
products which seem likely to contain HFCS due to their nature, yet
HFCS itself is conspicuously absent from the ingredient list.
Roger Zoul - 25 Jan 2007 17:51 GMT
:: Is it required by some regulation that HFCS be labeled precisely as
:: "high fructose corn syrup" or are there some weasel phrases that
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:: nature, yet HFCS itself is conspicuously absent from the ingredient
:: list.

I don't know the answer, but whenever I see "corn sweetener," I assume HFCS.
DesertHare - 25 Jan 2007 18:31 GMT
Corn Sweetener is just a generic term used to describe the three major
classes of sweeteners: corn syrups, dextrose & fructose.
When I google Corn Sweetener I get this;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_fructose_corn_syrup

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: Is it required by some regulation that HFCS be labeled precisely as
: "high fructose corn syrup" or are there some weasel phrases that
: manufacturers are allowed to use to disguise its presence?  One suspect
: phrase is "corn sweetener".  I have seen "corn sweetener" on several
: products which seem likely to contain HFCS due to their nature, yet
: HFCS itself is conspicuously absent from the ingredient list.
capmack@shipper.com - 25 Jan 2007 19:03 GMT
Corn syrup is different from hfcs, the latter is modified to increase
the ratio of fructose by converting some corn starch into fructose.
Corn syrup has been around as a sweentner for about 70 years or so and
is mostly sucrose while hfcs was from the 70's.
helena - 26 Jan 2007 21:15 GMT
On Jan 25, 2:03 pm, capm...@shipper.com wrote:
> Corn syrup is different from hfcs, the latter is modified to increase
> the ratio of fructose by converting some corn starch into fructose.
> Corn syrup has been around as a sweentner for about 70 years or so and
> is mostly sucrose while hfcs was from the 70's.

That said, I don't think there's any harm in drinking (or eating) HFCS
in moderation.  There's not really much difference in any of these
sweeteners, and I think as long as you're watching your intake, HFCS is
fine.
Roger Zoul - 26 Jan 2007 22:05 GMT
:: On Jan 25, 2:03 pm, capm...@shipper.com wrote:
::: Corn syrup is different from hfcs, the latter is modified to
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:: these sweeteners, and I think as long as you're watching your
:: intake, HFCS is fine.

And how do YOU define moderation?
helena - 26 Jan 2007 22:08 GMT
> ::: Corn syrup is different from hfcs, the latter is modified to
> ::: increase the ratio of fructose by converting some corn starch into
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>
> And how do YOU define moderation?

I don't have a strict idea in my head of "once a week," "once a day,"
etc.  I know i am very active and I eat a lot of fruits and vegetables
and proteins so I'm pretty balanced.  If I feel like drinking a soda
with HFCS, I don't see any problem with it.  It's not gonna hurt me.
DesertHare - 26 Jan 2007 22:29 GMT
: > ::: Corn syrup is different from hfcs, the latter is modified to
: > ::: increase the ratio of fructose by converting some corn starch into
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
: and proteins so I'm pretty balanced.  If I feel like drinking a soda
: with HFCS, I don't see any problem with it.  It's not gonna hurt me.

I have diabetes and HFCS is as good as any poison out there, to me.  YMMV
Roger Zoul - 26 Jan 2007 22:50 GMT
:: On Jan 26, 5:05 pm, "Roger Zoul" <rogerzo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
::: helena wrote::: On Jan 25, 2:03 pm, capm...@shipper.com wrote:
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:: drinking a soda with HFCS, I don't see any problem with it.  It's
:: not gonna hurt me.

How do you know that?
Mu - 27 Jan 2007 19:43 GMT
>:: On Jan 26, 5:05 pm, "Roger Zoul" <rogerzo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>::: helena wrote::: On Jan 25, 2:03 pm, capm...@shipper.com wrote:
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>
> How do you know that?

Damn, Zoulie, you sound like me.
Aaron Baugher - 29 Jan 2007 13:00 GMT
> :: If I feel like :: drinking a soda with HFCS, I don't see any
> :: problem with it.  It's not gonna hurt me.
>
> How do you know that?

No kidding.  Besides, being hit in the head with a shoe probably
won't hurt me long-term either, but if you throw one at me, I'm still
going to duck.

I always hate to shoot down someone who's trying, so if someone tells
me she cut back from three sodas a day to three/week, I'm going to
congratulate her, even though I know it's not going to make much
difference in the insulin/weight-loss sense of things.  Or like a
couple people I know who cut out all carby solid foods like pasta and
bread, but still drink a regular soda every day -- they're almost
wasting their time, but bluntly telling them that isn't going to help.

I try something like, "Wow, that's a great start; are you feeling a
difference yet?  Maybe it'll be easier giving things up gradually like
that instead of all at once."  I know it won't be, but that introduces
them to the idea that low-carbing doesn't work on a scale like all
their other Oprah diet theories -- if you've been eating 400g of carbs
a day, going to 200g doesn't give you half the weight loss.  People
who picked up low-carbing by word of mouth -- a co-worker's friend's
aunt lost 50 pounds on Atkins -- usually don't know that, so it's best
to break it to them gently.

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