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Jbuch - 24 Feb 2007 14:44 GMT
The article link is just below.
Key excerpts from the article are just below the link.

Nothing earthshattering for most people at all.

People here can probably expand on this from their own experiences,
especially for Low Carb issues.

http://health.msn.com/dietfitness/articlepage.aspx?cp-documentid=100156713&GT1=9033

Why Weight-Loss Efforts Fail

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Researchers zero in how to succeed the next time
By Kathleen Doheny, HealthDay Reporter

======== Major Excerpts Only ===========
Within five years, most dieters will regain the weight they lost.

While there are no hard-and-fast rules that work for everyone, there are
ways to maximize your success the next time you decide to drop those
excess pounds -- maybe for good.

.. setting too unrealistic of goals, losing too much too fast,"
.. most experts suggest a slow, steady loss, about one or two pounds a week.

.. a lack of advance planning before social situations. "If people were
making 'when, where, how' plans, they would be more likely to adhere to
their goal,"

Socializing is one of the top three reasons people eventually fail with
a diet...

The other two? "Feelings of deprivation or boredom with the current
eating plan," Dansinger said, "and the healthy foods often seem to be
less available, require more preparation or cost more than the unhealthy
foods."

..  people often underestimate the number of calories in foods and
overestimate the number of calories burned through exercise.

Self-Imposed Diet Rules
..the ones deemed most effective were the simplest -- reducing calories
and increasing exercise. Other rules that worked included: decreasing
sugar intake; increasing consumption of fruits and vegetables, vitamins
and water; watching less TV; and eating at home more often.

...getting a "coach."

.. recording your intake of calories every day, limiting calories, and
exercising seven hours a week, including cardiovascular and weight workouts.

.. adherence to a weight-loss plan -- any plan -- is more important than
the diet regimen itself.
Jbuch - 24 Feb 2007 15:06 GMT
> The article link is just below.
> Key excerpts from the article are just below the link.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> People here can probably expand on this from their own experiences,
> especially for Low Carb issues.

<SNIP TEXT HERE>

> .. adherence to a weight-loss plan -- any plan -- is more important than
> the diet regimen itself.

Second Thoughts: Flawed Conclusion?

This "adherence" emphasis as most important and dietary plan type as of
less importance is based on studies of individuals whose weight losses
"ranged from 4.6 to 7.3 pounds".

For large weight losses, say 25 to 50 or more pounds, the effect of
dietary plan could assume greater importance, especially if the nature
of the dietary plan and supporting educational resources promoted
"adherence".

The article may be overly simplified in places for major weight loss, vs
"trimming" amounts of weight loss.
Hollywood - 24 Feb 2007 16:50 GMT
> The article link is just below.
> Key excerpts from the article are just below the link.
>
> Nothing earthshattering for most people at all.
<snip>

I'm gonna say, they missed one of the big ones.

People see reaching GOAL as THE end, rather than THE beginning of
something new.

-Hollywood, thanking JB for posting this.
Cubit - 25 Feb 2007 16:07 GMT
IMHO, the article is utter bullsh*t based on popular rationalizations for a
process that is not understood.

The body regulates calorie intake.  After a period where the conscious mind
interferes with the regulator (regulator sometimes called an appestat) the
regulator wins in the long run.

Something about the modern diet causes the appestat to malfuntion.  Thus,
the person became obese in the first place.

> The article link is just below.
> Key excerpts from the article are just below the link.
[quoted text clipped - 53 lines]
> .. adherence to a weight-loss plan -- any plan -- is more important than
> the diet regimen itself.
Jbuch - 25 Feb 2007 18:12 GMT
Have you gotten over the negative feeling about your diet plan failing
you? Are you spreading those negative thought around?

IF the process isn't understood, why are you so seemingly certain of
your intrepretation?

I do wish you success in regaining control over your eating situation.

I am sure that you weren't influenced by:
 1)Holiday socializing
 2)Boredom in eating
 3)Lack of healthy foods in the situations you are in.

Jim

> IMHO, the article is utter bullsh*t based on popular rationalizations for a
> process that is not understood.
[quoted text clipped - 63 lines]
>>.. adherence to a weight-loss plan -- any plan -- is more important than
>>the diet regimen itself.
Cubit - 25 Feb 2007 19:59 GMT
> Have you gotten over the negative feeling about your diet plan failing
> you? Are you spreading those negative thought around?

Reply: I expected trouble, long before reaching goal and then having some
regain.  The statistics on diet failure are profound.

> IF the process isn't understood, why are you so seemingly certain of your
> intrepretation?

Reply: Since my pearl of wizdom is found nowhere else, I excluded myself
from the generalization.  The cool thing about the databasing of USENET is
that 100 years from now there may be people saying my name (handle) in the
context of an enlightened view of body weight management.

> I do wish you success in regaining control over your eating situation.

Reply:  Thanks.  I'm right on track.  The data all look exactly like my
initial loss.

> I am sure that you weren't influenced by:
>  1)Holiday socializing
>  2)Boredom in eating
>  3)Lack of healthy foods in the situations you are in.

Reply: (I love sarcasm.)  Your three examples, and my previously posted
excuses are all rationalizations.  Without facist controls on my eating, the
appestat adjusted my life and bodyweight.  Forgive me for spouting excuses.

> Jim
>
>> IMHO, the article is utter bullsh*t based on popular rationalizations for
>> a process that is not understood.
Jbuch - 25 Feb 2007 23:18 GMT
>>Have you gotten over the negative feeling about your diet plan failing
>>you? Are you spreading those negative thought around?
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> excuses are all rationalizations.  Without facist controls on my eating, the
> appestat adjusted my life and bodyweight.  Forgive me for spouting excuses.

So, it is plausable that you were just angry and venting your spleen.

You proclaimed, months ago, something like "Maintenance is a bitch" or
at least indicated maintenance was darned hard.

Other than becoming  a Facist on eating (?), have you learned how to
better deal with maintenance?

Probably, you will fail again if all you do is hit the problem again the
same way you hit it the first time. Surely you know that. Unless your
willpower multiplies to your Facist level. (whatever that means)

AND, you're right, maintenance is pretty hard and at least I have to
think about it all the time.

I had a friend who liked to "break my diet".  I told him if he ever
tries that again, just for fun, I'll never see him again - no second
chances because the behavior is so damn childish.

He stopped.

Socializing -- one of the ways that can defeat the diet. Friends and
family can do you in for reasons only they know.

Maintenance is hard.

Maintenance is hard.

At least for some, and maybe for the 90% or so of those who lose weight
and then gain it all back.

Maintenance means you are living under new rules of will power. Worse is
that  you don't get the reinforcement of watching your weight continue
to decrease as a reward for your sacrifices in old fashioned eating
pleasures.

A few days here and there and you could be several pounds up. Only a few
free cookies per day, and there you are.

Maintenance is hard.

>>Jim
>>
>>>IMHO, the article is utter bullsh*t based on popular rationalizations for
>>>a process that is not understood.
Cubit - 26 Feb 2007 00:18 GMT
Indeed, the idea of maintenance is wishful thinking.  I, and others, do not
want to accept that the diet never ends.

The difference in calories between weightloss and breakeven is SMALL.

The difference in calories between weightloss and my illusions of
maintenance are huge.

Maintenance is hard because it is based on delusional premises.

>>>Have you gotten over the negative feeling about your diet plan failing
>>>you? Are you spreading those negative thought around?
[quoted text clipped - 70 lines]
>>>>IMHO, the article is utter bullsh*t based on popular rationalizations
>>>>for a process that is not understood.
Jbuch - 26 Feb 2007 02:33 GMT
> Indeed, the idea of maintenance is wishful thinking.  I, and others, do not
> want to accept that the diet never ends.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Maintenance is hard because it is based on delusional premises.

YOUR maintenance is based on delustional premises.

Cure that, or handle that, and you can handle maintenance better than
the average Joe or JoAnn.

Accepting yourself as the origin is a good part of the battle.

Go to it.

Jim

>>>>Have you gotten over the negative feeling about your diet plan failing
>>>>you? Are you spreading those negative thought around?
[quoted text clipped - 70 lines]
>>>>>IMHO, the article is utter bullsh*t based on popular rationalizations
>>>>>for a process that is not understood.
Cubit - 26 Feb 2007 17:51 GMT
Actually, I came to my goal expecting to need to preserve my diet as a way
of life (WOL), then things got out of hand, despite my preparation.

You say: "accepting yourself as the origin"
The origin is an imbalance of a natural system.  The personalization and
willpower ideas are quite contrary to my vision of the problem.

>> Indeed, the idea of maintenance is wishful thinking.  I, and others, do
>> not want to accept that the diet never ends.
[quoted text clipped - 91 lines]
>>>>>>IMHO, the article is utter bullsh*t based on popular rationalizations
>>>>>>for a process that is not understood.
 
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