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Weight Loss Forum / Low Carb / March 2007Doh! I'm allergic to...
eggs, cheese, pork, and chicken (along with every grain -- except rice -- known to man). This makes meal planning a bit rough. (Oh yeah, and milk and peanut butter -- no more peanut butter? That sucks!)  SignatureBob in CT Chicken? Or preservatives/chemicals in chicken? Up here, the state police have a network that connects accidental deer kills with families with extreme allergies, as the wild deer have none of the chemicals sometimes found in domesticated meat. > Chicken? Or preservatives/chemicals in chicken? > > Up here, the state police have a network that connects accidental deer > kills with families with extreme allergies, as the wild deer have none > of the chemicals sometimes found in domesticated meat. The guy who gave me the test said that probably because chickens are fed grains, and I'm allergic to every grain. SignatureBob in CT >> Chicken? Or preservatives/chemicals in chicken? >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > The guy who gave me the test said that probably because chickens are > fed grains, and I'm allergic to every grain. Bob, have you been given the antibody test for gluten? Susan > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Susan No. Would this be a test ordered by a doctor? (I had my test performed by a chiropractor/holistic health person.) I would not doubt at all that I have a gluten problem. (Dang! No more low carb wraps!) SignatureBob in CT > No. Would this be a test ordered by a doctor? (I had my test > performed by a chiropractor/holistic health person.) I would not doubt > at all that I have a gluten problem. (Dang! No more low carb wraps!) I'm kind of shocked that anyone would tell you you have grain allergies and then not order an anti gliadin antibody test. Yes, doctors order it, it's not some alternative thing, but anyone who can order lab tests can order it. Susan > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Susan I'll have it done, then. SignatureBob in CT >> x-no-archive: yes >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > I'll have it done, then. I would consider seeing a "Real Doctor" before accepting the fact that there is little on Earth that you can eat safely. Unless you are already dead and living as a zombie. Then food allergies aren't such a big deal in your Zombie life. Bob, How was this test done? I strongly urge you to see a licensed MD before taking this for a fact. If these are things you have been eating or using all along I find is highly suspect that you are allergic to all of them. Unless of course you have been displaying some type of symptoms? Even then it is highly suspect that you are allergic to everything on earth. Pat >>> x-no-archive: yes >>> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Unless you are already dead and living as a zombie. Then food allergies > aren't such a big deal in your Zombie life. Actually, I have very little faith in licensed MDs (they're the ones who believe in "bad" and "good" cholesterol and would recommend eating a low fat diet and following the food pyramid). My wife's brother's wife (sister in law?) had the exact same test performed, reduced the amount of foods to which she was allergic, and felt terrific. And, I'm not allergic to everything on earth. He tested 54 items from grains, fish, seafood, meats, dairy, and misc. items. Of 54 items, I'm allergic to 22 items, of which the vast majority (13) are in the grain category. Next week, I'm going to avoid eating the foods on this list to which I am allergic. I'm going to give this a shot for at least three weeks (remember induction?). Then, I'll report back. > Bob, > How was this test done? I strongly urge you to see a licensed MD before [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] >> Unless you are already dead and living as a zombie. Then food allergies >> aren't such a big deal in your Zombie life. SignatureBob in CT > And, I'm not allergic to everything on earth. He tested 54 items from > grains, fish, seafood, meats, dairy, and misc. items. Of 54 items, > I'm allergic to 22 items, of which the vast majority (13) are in the > grain category. A chiropractor tested me for food allergies back in 1991 or so, using samples and muscle-testing (kinesiology), which some people consider hoodoo. I don't remember the list exactly, but looking back, the ones I remember being allergic to were all carby foods: wheat, sugar, potatoes, onions. (Onions aren't real high, but they're higher than many vegetables; we just don't usually eat them in large enough quantities to matter.) I cut them out of my diet for a few months, felt much better, and lost quite a bit of weight. I was low-carbing (imperfectly) without knowing it. Was I really "allergic" to those foods, or was my body responding to the carbs and saying, "Please, no more"? Is there a difference? I'm confident that my chiropractor then believed the results were real, but exactly *why* those foods triggered a reaction might be debatable. If something makes me sick and tired, I guess it doesn't matter whether I have an allergy to it or am unable to process it correctly without unpleasant side-effects: either way I shouldn't be eating it. SignatureAaron -- 285/235/200 -- http://aaron.baugher.biz/ "If you hear hoofbeats, you just go ahead and think horsies, not zebras." I agree. Stay away from the voodoo doctors. >Bob, >How was this test done? I strongly urge you to see a licensed MD before [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >> Unless you are already dead and living as a zombie. Then food allergies >> aren't such a big deal in your Zombie life. > >> x-no-archive: yes > >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > I would consider seeing a "Real Doctor" before accepting the fact that > there is little on Earth that you can eat safely. Especially if your healer starts trying to sell you special food products. Well, that leaves Rice and Fish with Walnut or almond butter. But probably not Glutinous rice - based on the rest of the thread so far, and you'll probably have to catch your own fish - to avoid farmed fish that's been fed any grain... Wow Bob - good luck! lol Steve > eggs, cheese, pork, and chicken (along with every grain -- except rice -- > known to man). This makes meal planning a bit rough. (Oh yeah, and milk > and peanut butter -- no more peanut butter? That sucks!) > eggs, cheese, pork, and chicken (along with every grain -- except rice -- > known to man). This makes meal planning a bit rough. (Oh yeah, and milk > and peanut butter -- no more peanut butter? That sucks!) > > -- > Bob in CT My friend, a doctor, had an allergy test done and was allergic to a ton of things that she was eating. She did some research, found out that allergy tests are wrong 50% of the time. Got retested, and was allergic to a much smaller panel of stuff. I would strongly suggest a retest in a more traditional medical setting, regardless of your opinions of the traditional medicine industry. PS- Dr. Atkins was a real doctor. As are Dr & Dr Eades. And Dr. Mary Vernon. And others. They're not all food pyramid morons. Bob..... when i had my allergy tests run, EVERYTHING that i had eaten in the prior week turned up as 'allergic to' on my tests, plus a few things i hadn't eaten (3 pages, 3 columns per page)............ i tossed the list out, and just watched what 'combination of foods' caused me the most distress and avoided them from there on in i've been fine...... just using common sense, rather than deleting all foods from my diet (ps, i WAS allergic to the rice too) > > eggs, cheese, pork, and chicken (along with every grain -- except rice -- > > known to man). This makes meal planning a bit rough. (Oh yeah, and milk [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > PS- Dr. Atkins was a real doctor. As are Dr & Dr Eades. And Dr. Mary > Vernon. And others. They're not all food pyramid morons. :: On Mar 28, 11:10 am, "Bob in CT" <ctvigge...@comcast.net> wrote: ::: eggs, cheese, pork, and chicken (along with every grain -- except [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] :: setting, regardless of your opinions of the traditional medicine :: industry. I strongly agree with this. While the medical community is seemingly out of whack on some things, they are not, as a rule, just a bunch of bozos. Some self-education on this topic will help you do a better job of zeroing in on what's really the issue. Restricting oneself unnecessarily is likely to be bad idea. Especially when based on one test. Let's get some double or triple confirmation here after doing some self-ed (as others are providing). :: PS- Dr. Atkins was a real doctor. As are Dr & Dr Eades. And Dr. Mary :: Vernon. And others. They're not all food pyramid morons. > :: On Mar 28, 11:10 am, "Bob in CT" <ctvigge...@comcast.net> wrote: > ::: eggs, cheese, pork, and chicken (along with every grain -- except [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > :: PS- Dr. Atkins was a real doctor. As are Dr & Dr Eades. And Dr. Mary > :: Vernon. And others. They're not all food pyramid morons. Ah, it wasn't an allergy test (my mistake). Regardless of your ideas, I'm going to cut out this stuff for a while. I'm sorry I post this, as all I get are people who critique for no good reason. I'll be gone for another few months, as I can't take this negativity. I realize that Atkins and Eades are good doctors, but teh vast majority of them are not. Take my primary care physician, who examines my LDL level with the utmost case, yet hasn't said anything about my blood sugar being >100 two years in row! And there are tons of morons like him. SignatureBob in CT > Ah, it wasn't an allergy test (my mistake). Regardless of your ideas, > I'm going to cut out this stuff for a while. I'm sorry I post this, as > all I get are people who critique for no good reason. I'll be gone for > another few months, as I can't take this negativity. I thought you got an interesting discussion and some information. Is back slapping all you want instead? Susan :: On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 11:07:02 -0400, Roger Zoul :: <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] :: post this, as all I get are people who critique for no good reason. :: I'll be gone for another few months, as I can't take this negativity. What negativity are you referring to? :: I realize that Atkins and Eades are good doctors, but teh vast :: majority of them are not. Take my primary care physician, who [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] :: -- :: Bob in CT > :: Ah, it wasn't an allergy test (my mistake). Regardless of your > :: ideas, I'm going to cut out this stuff for a while. I'm sorry I > :: post this, as all I get are people who critique for no good reason. > :: I'll be gone for another few months, as I can't take this negativity. > > What negativity are you referring to? The part where people pointed out that chiropractors AREN'T REAL DOCTORS. Evidently, Bob took umbrage at that.... Pat in TX > > :: On Mar 28, 11:10 am, "Bob in CT" <ctvigge...@comcast.net> wrote: > > ::: eggs, cheese, pork, and chicken (along with every grain -- except [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > get are people who critique for no good reason. I'll be gone for another > few months, as I can't take this negativity. I'm sorry that your test turned out so badly. And, I'm sorry if you got any negativity. I was only trying to be helpful. Scorn for Chiropractors who treat anything beyond back pain is just a knee jerk reaction. But, a reputable chiro will not offer such services, just as the best chiro schools don't teach them. I think your response is way out of whack with the input. > I realize that Atkins and Eades are good doctors, but teh vast majority of > them are not. Take my primary care physician, who examines my LDL level > with the utmost case, yet hasn't said anything about my blood sugar being > > >100 two years in row! And there are tons of morons like him. Sample of one. Bad study design. But, yeah, there are doctors who are out of date on their thinking or lazy on reading research. There are doctors who are better. My doc wasn't exactly supportive, but he is now. Or he just got sick of hearing my stuff or not reading studies I might bring him. Either way, Dr. Z is okay. I still think you should get a retest. If you don't like doctors, go to a diagnostic lab. That's where the doctor is gonna send it anyway. These tests have very high type 1 and type 2 error rates. You deserve the best, or at least should think you do. > -- > Bob in CT >> :: On Mar 28, 11:10 am, "Bob in CT" <ctvigge...@comcast.net> wrote: >> ::: eggs, cheese, pork, and chicken (along with every grain -- except [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > >> 100 two years in row! And there are tons of morons like him. I remember "Hair Analysis" in the 1970's being hailed as a diagnostic for finding all kinds of record of things you have ingested that, unknown to you, were causing you to have a significantly lower quality of life. One of the local TV stations ran a special on this. Part of their interest was the "intrepreter" of the hair analysis that you consulted to tell you what the lab tests meant, and how you should change your life as a result. The other interest was the lab itself. Were they actually reliable? They took a hair sample from a reporter and divided it into two samples. Each sample was sent to the same lab, but with a different name and address given as to the subject. The results for the divided samples were far from identical. It was as if they were for two different people. At any rate, the lab wasn't considered reliable for doing this non-standard analysis. I forgot how they tricked the "intrepreter" of the meaning of the analysis, but it appeared as if the "intrepretation" was clearly inconsistent. This is all I can recall from an investigative reporting episode 30 plus years ago. I hope you understand that I'm not attacking you, but I fell in with a bunch of "alternative healing" people for a while, but I managed to escape unharmed, thank you. Jim > I strongly agree with this. While the medical community is > seemingly out of whack on some things, they are not, as a rule, just > a bunch of bozos. Even if they are bozos, they still have access to tests that you can't easily do yourself, like having your blood drawn and tested for allergies or food intolerances. Still, you can't hurt yourself by eliminating a food from your diet for a while and seeing how you feel, especially when you're talking mostly about grains anyway. I did that with peanuts recently. I'd been eating a lot of them for snacks, maybe even enough to break my carb limit once in a while, but they seemed to be affecting me a lot more than just the carbs would account for. I cut them out completely for a month, and did seem to have more energy and less rumbling in my stomach. Of course, peanuts are a fairly common allergy, so it was an easy one to guess at and try. One of these days I'll have some again, and see if I can tell any difference. SignatureAaron -- 285/235/200 -- http://aaron.baugher.biz/ "If you hear hoofbeats, you just go ahead and think horsies, not zebras." |
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